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Capitalism and democracy
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Brazil ;---) 
Are capitalism and democracy as we know dying?
2020-07-09 04:35
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Peru TheJuan
/closed
2020-07-09 04:38
#2
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United States wtcce4
no /closed
2020-07-09 04:39
#3
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Australia kTw0
Probably true for a country as corrupt as Brazil
2020-07-09 04:40
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Brazil IsFree
You dont even how corrupt we really are and even you know this lmao, what a joke for a country I live on
2020-07-09 04:42
#7
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Brazil ;---)
Brazil is a glimpse of what some western countries Will have to Go through in the future
2020-07-09 04:45
#39
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United Kingdom alcazar4
brazil is a glimpse of what western countries went through over a century ago*
2020-07-09 17:29
#40
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Brazil ;---)
No, they will become Just like Brazil.
2020-07-09 18:38
#41
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United Kingdom alcazar4
thats hilarious
2020-07-09 18:43
#43
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Brazil ;---)
Wait a few years/decades and u will remember this thread.
2020-07-09 18:44
#47
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United Kingdom alcazar4
a few years to regress a century? maybe not
2020-07-09 18:48
#42
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Finland Jodecast
And why is that?
2020-07-09 18:44
#44
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Brazil ;---)
Mainly because of immigration and wealth inequality
2020-07-09 18:46
#45
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Denmark JKTP
Maybe the US? Have you seen wealth inequality in Denmark? Poverty is 0.7% at MOST.
2020-07-09 18:47
#58
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Brazil ;---)
yes, europe is different than US(which in my opinion will get a civil war/revolution), but maybe if the immigrants influx continues the disparity of wealth will rise?
2020-07-09 19:22
#70
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Denmark JKTP
Only temporarily, free education and free healthcare can get any person out of poverty if they want to.
2020-07-09 20:58
#52
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Finland Jodecast
Nope wont happen here
2020-07-09 18:54
#59
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Brazil ;---)
time will tell
2020-07-09 19:22
lmao. you are way behind kiddo. not very developed yet. come back in a few hundred years kid
2020-07-10 08:38
#87
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United States Amerika!
Immigrations helped the USA and rich people also are one of the main reasons the economy flows
2020-07-10 08:41
#94
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Brazil ;---)
It Will be also the downfall of the US
2020-07-10 16:24
#97
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United States Amerika!
Please educate yourself before you make yourself look even more ignorant
2020-07-10 17:33
#98
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Brazil ;---)
wait a few years till your country descent into a civil war.
2020-07-10 17:48
#99
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United States Amerika!
Do you even know what a civil war is? Some idiots protesting thinking there stopping racism when infact black people arent necessarily oppressed in the us or really any western country for that matter isnt a civil war
2020-07-10 17:52
#100
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Brazil ;---)
exactly that, and both sides are catching the bait, wait till after november if trump wins, even biden wins, there will be political terrorism, mark my words.
2020-07-10 17:55
#101
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United States Amerika!
n o t h e y r e w o n t
2020-07-10 17:59
#102
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Brazil ;---)
m a r k m y w o r d s
2020-07-10 18:00
#103
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United States Amerika!
Yes this is coming from someone that thinks immigration is a negative in north America and thinks capitalism is the cause for brazil being a 2nd world country
2020-07-10 18:02
#104
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Brazil ;---)
dude, u are stupid AF, in brazil WE NEED CAPITALISM, i never said otherwise. USA will be a shithole because u people failed to teach the younger generations marketwatch.com/story/for-millennials-so.. see? your youth wants socialism and communism. thats why i said capitalism may be coming to an end, spoiled rich kids in europe and NA wants socialism, not capitalism.
2020-07-10 18:07
#115
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United States Amerika!
2020-07-10 19:22
#117
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Brazil ;---)
US will be a socialist country xd
2020-07-10 20:19
#118
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United States Amerika!
Alright that's enough of the internet for you bro
2020-07-10 20:26
#121
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Brazil ;---)
U are blind asf, your country is falling apart, grow a pair and Go to the streets fight antifaa
2020-07-10 23:43
#122
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United States Amerika!
Alright that's enough of the internet for you bro
2020-07-11 01:22
#123
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Brazil ;---)
You are not paying for my internet
2020-07-11 01:26
what is the casue of corruption in the first place?
2020-07-09 07:30
#23
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Brazil DanieruBSB
Shitty political system
2020-07-09 07:46
#46
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Denmark JKTP
yes
2020-07-09 18:47
geography
2020-07-09 08:12
#48
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Denmark JKTP
no
2020-07-09 18:48
yes
2020-07-09 18:50
#53
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Denmark JKTP
#46
2020-07-09 19:05
Democracy is losing its power as billionaires get richer and richer. They can extort countries to do their bidding already and USA is a fucking joke. In USA a cleaning lady pays more taxes than Activision Blizzard.
2020-07-09 20:52
The US is just regressing to 1800's levels of corruption and inequality. I guess Americans have forgotten the people who fought for workplace rights and decent wages.
2020-07-09 22:06
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United States bxteme
yes look at na and eu already cucked
2020-07-09 04:43
#6
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Brazil ;---)
/open Some democracies such as the USA has proved to be quite inefficient dealing with the covid-19, and u add many people rallying against social injustices and wealth inequalitites, is the perfect recipe for a revolution.
2020-07-09 04:45
#8
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Portugal Agricultor
People rally against what they disagree, in the us you only have republicans and democrats so there will always be rallys
2020-07-09 04:50
#10
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United States ImFat
The only reason the democracy is not working In the U.S is cause people won’t participate in it. Only 60% of people voted in 2016 for the federal election and only 20% for local even though local officials have a bunch of power (like taxes, police and even health). So when people in America complain about democracy, it irritates me cause most people don’t really participate.
2020-07-09 05:01
We are not a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic. Capitalism will prevail as it always does or the silent majority will take arms and eliminate the threat.
2020-07-09 05:44
#55
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Denmark JKTP
Not voting is a way of saying you disagree with the system Many americans are unhappy they as socialists have to vote the democratic party when they don't support liberalism but some form of socialism Many strong right-wingers are annoyed they have to vote for liberalism/neo-conservatism and not just Authoritarianism Even more americans are annoyed they have to vote for corrupt liberalists when they want true liberalism. in the 2016 election many didn't vote because both candidates sucked.
2020-07-09 19:08
#85
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United States ImFat
Not voting as a protest is one of the dumbest things in politics, you are just moral grandstanding and virtue signaling to make yourself feel better. Not voting will not make a difference. If you actually cared at all about any of your political stances or beliefs you would know that even incremental change in your direction is a step forward. Even if it’s a step back, it’s still better to vote against a worst outcome, there is actually no reason to not vote if you have the ability. Like if I had to vote between two people one is going to kill 1,000,001 and one will kill 1,000,000 I will vote for the guy who will only kill 1,000,000 cause one will get elected either way, so I’m going to vote for the better outcome.
2020-07-10 08:36
#88
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Denmark JKTP
Why would i vote of my only 2 options are things i don't agree with. Many people disagree with both the democrats and republicans, you say that it matters because they are going to pull towards let's say socialism for democrats. But they are usually just the same as the republicans, Hillary and Trump didn't look the same but Trump just used fake populism and ended up doing the exact same as Hillary, Your point does make sence, but then id rather not decide, voting blank is the ultimate way to say i don't agree with the system so i would do that if i was a us citizen, but in the local officials you can get a socialist if you are lucky like AOC, but many times it's just like 2 republicans, yay.
2020-07-10 12:10
"but in the local officials you can get a socialist if you are lucky like AOC" OH BOY, this is a LOW QUALITY BAIT, HOLY SCHMECKLES
2020-07-10 12:17
#93
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Denmark JKTP
No it wasn't, it was a brainfart. My bad, well it's even worse for local officials, I was thinking about crongressional districts.
2020-07-10 15:31
No I meant she is useless and you would be a fool to want her over Trump for example.
2020-07-10 17:25
AOC is useless? That's pretty rare to hear from a Swede. I mean she is a bit too far to the left i agree more with Bernie. But atleast she doesn't lie, isn't dishonest and isn't petty
2020-07-10 18:11
She is a stupid puppet, you are thinking with your dick mr Dane.
2020-07-10 18:16
Puppet of who? What kind of people wan't a democratic socialist as a puppy
2020-07-10 18:17
Now that is the question, isn't it?
2020-07-10 18:18
You can't call someone a puppet if you don't know who is controlling them Trump is a puppet - To corporations
2020-07-10 18:18
Trump is a puppet - for the people Biden is puppet for the democratic party AOC puppet master is, idk really, I have forgotten was a year ago or so and thankfully I havent seen more from her since, but it is known.
2020-07-10 18:26
Trump puppet for the people best joke i heard this year. What did he do that was a populist move benefitting the people? Removing taxes for 1 percent? Deregulating work? Removing obamacare? Adding more to military budget? More soldiers to Afghanistan?
2020-07-10 18:31
He is literally giving all Americans 1000$ stimulus checks))) While also improving the country #1 president, stay woke, stay ignorant.
2020-07-10 18:38
#114
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United States ImFat
Okay that’s all I needed to know about you man, you seem like a spineless grifter that doesn’t actually care and just want to use politics for aesthetics. Cause when you are not voting and are “protesting the system” the people who are actually impacted by election are going to try and get the best outcome. Hillary and Trump are not the same candidate, they aren’t perfect, but Hillary would of with out a doubt been a better president, and her administration would of been 100x more competent then Trumps. And with Biden vs Trump it is like light and day. I don’t think you know anything about politics much less American politics, so please stop trying to act smart and get informed on issues and politicians policies and then come back.
2020-07-10 19:20
#9
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Brazil Triarii
Democracy doesn't work xDDD the only moments that Brazil progressed in any way was when there was less or no democracy Empire // Getulio Vargas // military coup 1964 xDDDDDDDDDDDDD prove me wrong
2020-07-09 04:52
#11
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Brazil TaxIsTHEFT
u are right about democracy, but ur examples are bad af...
2020-07-09 05:09
#56
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Denmark JKTP
Democracy works, you just need the leaders not to be corrupt. Scandianavia are all great countries and all democracies. New Zealand, Switzerland, Netherlands. All democracies¨ In the Quality of life rating all of the top 10 countries were democracies. "Democracy is the ideology that sucks the least" - Winston Churchill
2020-07-09 19:11
both capitalism and democracy are lie,only serve for the rich and powerful ppl.
2020-07-09 05:19
#15
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Brazil ;---)
i'm beginning to realize that too, in the end we end up living in a plutocracy.
2020-07-09 05:27
imagine dictatorship dont "only serve for the powerful". yeah i dont know why so many chinese officials send their children and assets here while they "stand with china" against us.
2020-07-09 07:17
they send their children here only because america is a better place. "stand with china" is a fucking lie. if china fell,they'll be the first runaways.
2020-07-09 08:26
+1
2020-07-09 07:26
name and flag checks out
2020-07-09 08:16
guess you dont agree with what i said huh?
2020-07-09 08:27
technically true statement, then again the rich and powerful are the only ones benefiting in every single political system ever thought up
2020-07-09 08:32
Socialism....
2020-07-10 18:19
#49
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Finland Jodecast
And dictatorship doesnt do that lmao Countries that are most corrupt free and have good working democracy have also the best living standards and where wealth is most equaly shared between the population
2020-07-09 18:49
#57
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Denmark JKTP
i.e. Scandinavia
2020-07-09 19:12
#61
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Finland Jodecast
Man please say nordic, dont leave finland out :(
2020-07-09 20:33
#67
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Denmark JKTP
Ah sorry mens, i fucked over Finland and Iceland but most americans think Finland is in scandinavia so they get confused when you say nordic
2020-07-09 20:54
I'd hope capitalism is dying, It has no use to most people on earth. Only useful for rich fucks who are tight asses and care more about profit than providing workers with good working conditions or providing customers with a good product. It needs to go, just like the conservative way of thinking, out dated for modern times.
2020-07-09 05:24
+1 can only work with heavy welfare laws and restrictions on companies over which rich fucks will only cry because they make a few million they'd never spent less
2020-07-09 08:35
Why are you fucks so obsessed with people who have more money than you?
2020-07-09 17:29
#51
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Finland Jodecast
Wrong, nobody here even if they have a shit job cry about shit conditions or shit pay since neither exist, if they exist its because of the country you are living in that allows it. Not entirely capitalisms fault
2020-07-09 18:52
people are free -> people/leaders abuse their rights -> corrupt leaders gets exposed -> people gets tired of democracy -> people elects a authoritarian leader (left or right leaning) -> new leader brings change -> country is in a small economy boom -> leader dies -> new leader elected -> new leader shit -> crimes of authoritarian government exposed -> people gets tired of system -> people make democratic uprising -> repeat its a never ending system
2020-07-09 05:25
yeah people are never satisfied with what they are offered
2020-07-09 07:24
I HOPE SO .... both under 120 IQ witch doesn't fit my needs
2020-07-09 07:25
#22
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Brazil ;---)
which one fits your needs then?
2020-07-09 07:43
definitely nothing oppresive - i don't need anybody to tell me what to do or think and without any elements of slavery en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy looks like a better altenrative also harmonical union would be good idea - with mindful wise leaders smt like loving family on a global scale but idk tbh honest there is little chance to experience other systems by first hand experience
2020-07-09 08:01
#25
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Brazil ;---)
hmm, meritocracy isn't a economic/social system, we have "meritocracy" in free societies today, i'm talking about social organization, anarchocapitalism, fascism, communism, nacionalism, anarchism, monarchism etc.
2020-07-09 08:16
nothing will ever work, capitalism and democracy was chosen by the majority of countries just because those things actually worked out longer in modern time than monarchies, empires and communist dictatorships do
2020-07-09 08:18
#35
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Brazil ;---)
Yep, but is coming to an end
2020-07-09 17:23
What? Monarchies literally existed for the whole recorded history of mankind while democracy as we know it is a creature of the twentieth century
2020-07-09 20:38
back when nations were smaller and everyone wasn't lazy needy little shitheads trying to think they're all right and the fatso on the throne with the crown was wrong
2020-07-09 22:04
Indeed
2020-07-09 22:05
Capitalism vs democracy vs communism is apples to apples at any rate Yeah Americans cant figure it out, that's part of why they elected the whiny baby in chief
2020-07-09 08:37
Democracy was never really there. Capitalism is for those who have capital. Everything is f*cked up exactly as ever before.
2020-07-09 08:44
One can only hope.
2020-07-09 17:25
It's finally time for technocracy to come in! Why should my country's fate be decided by people unqualified to make important decisions?!
2020-07-09 17:26
who is more qualified to decide about your life than yourself?
2020-07-09 20:39
We are talking about decisions affecting the whole country, not a random insignificant Pablo.
2020-07-09 20:45
A country is an amalgamation of random insignificant Pablos
2020-07-09 20:49
And this amalgamation is also the reason why some countries are trash, especially if those Pablos are uneducated. You are living in a country that is a proof of it, unless you are fakeflaging.
2020-07-09 20:57
How is that so? You think you know anything about my country or my life?
2020-07-09 20:57
Do you think Brazil is a good place to live in? Is your president doing anything to change it? Statistics don't lie.
2020-07-09 21:01
They do lie a lot, specially if you cant interpret the data. And I have lived in the US (highschool there) and went to Europe countless times on vacation and there is not place where I would live other than Brazil.
2020-07-09 21:03
Well, luckily for me I finished a course regarding statistics in my uni, so you don't have to worry about it 😎 I don't know to which countries in Europe you went, but if you are implying countries like Spain, France, Poland or even Russia are worse or equal to Brazil in anything, then all I can say is 0/8 👍
2020-07-09 21:15
They may be better in social indicators but real life is not made of indicators. I would not trade the people, the climate, the parties, the culture for anything that Europe or the US has to offer. Also if you really finished a course in statistics and come up with things like "statistics don't lie" maybe you should study more.
2020-07-09 21:17
Ok. Explain how statistics regarding Brazil such as quality of living, poverty and crime rates are lying.
2020-07-09 21:24
They lie because they generalize too much. For example murder rates, if you control for what happens in the Favelas because of drug dealer disputes you will have a completely different picture. And since I live far away from favelas I can safely say that that my standards of living are not far away from anywhere in a developed country. Statistics cant really capture all the nuances of real life.
2020-07-09 21:27
Generalising is not lying. Statistics about Brazil are based upon things related to Brazil. I will have you take your statement about my studies from #74 back 😠
2020-07-09 21:32
#84
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Brazil ;---)
he is right, generalizing a country with 200m is not the right picture pbs.twimg.com/media/EabMmNjXsAI946g?form.. for example, São Paulo where i live, has a HDI close to portugal, but still, this isn the complete picture, there is places in São Paulo which are bad, however that are places ( such as where i live) that the HDI is close to germany pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santana_(distrito_..
2020-07-10 04:40
Stfu, comunist.
2020-07-09 19:06
#60
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Brazil ;---)
i'm not a commie.
2020-07-09 19:23
#75
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United States t0rr0r
no such thing as a full on democracy and capitalism; if a society is struggling with protecting its people it just means its too far into one direction and needs to go to the other way.
2020-07-09 21:19
no
2020-07-09 21:24
lazy entitled people in this thread complaining and jealous about rich people please don't bring this mentality to hltv
2020-07-09 21:31
#89
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Sweden wyv0
As we know it yes
2020-07-10 12:11
they would only allow to destroy their own system to bring forth a new and more slavery like system.
2020-07-10 12:20
The "creator" of democracy were against democracy because the masses (WE) are too dumb. Churchill quote against democracy is still very relevant (is it even a true quote?). Authoritarian governments are superior, but will democrazy disappear? youtube.com/watch?v=_yiQXPOO1Yo )))) About capitalism... it itself ain't dying but our money policy is dying, which will be exciting for the future.
2020-07-10 12:25
I don't think it would be possible for capitalism to die as it's become too vital to modern society, and encourages productivity. Democracy on the other hand, it's dying in Europe, with the EU Parliament getting more and more power with even less actual control by the tax payer, governments are accruing more and more power over their citizens, and not being held to any accountability. A second amendment is really the only way this could even be slowed or kept in check, it will never stop as power corrupts people that's why you have the quote "the tree of liberty needs to be replenished from time to time with the blood of tyrants and patriots."
2020-07-10 17:29
Oh please. Shut the fuck up. A 'second amendment' is something we do NOT need here in Europe. How will a people armed to the teeth with machineguns, flamethrowers and other disgustingly effective killing devices be able to keep a democracy in check when a large minority of those people don't even want to preserve the democracy they live in? I.E AMERICAN REPUBLICANS. Stop spouting your brexit 'but muh sovereignty' 'but the EVIL EU beaurocracy'. People like you aren't helping democracy, but rather accelerating its decline by voting for people like Boris Johnson who will sell the UK to the USA and feed us chlorinated chicken and steroid-pumped beef.
2020-07-10 19:37
#119
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United Kingdom 3Head
As much as I'm not really in favour of a '2nd Amendment' within Europe, you are obviously being dramatic by saying machine guns and flamethrowers lol. Want to add RPG's and grenade launchers while ur at it? No one will take you seriously if you are obviously just lying. Also, you must surely know that the 2nd amendment whilst originally being about defence from tyranny, its also about personal defence, not about 'keeping democracy' via the threat of death, as you are implying. Also, as a side note, I would love Boris to sell more of our country off, Im not sure why people would rather have state-owned, inefficient regimes when they could be run by profit creating private companies with an actual incentive to improve.
2020-07-10 20:35
The term machinegun can basically be used for any fully automatic weapon, from MACHINE pistols to sub-calibre MACHINEGUNS (SMGs) to light MACHINEGUNS, etc. While you can actually legally buy flamethrowers in 40 states within the US, I'm pretty sure that explosives aren't available to buy legally. Therefore I am not lying, and a lot of people in the USA have vast gun collections that would make the Kurdish freedom fighters in Syria jealous. Sure, it states that it's a measure against tyranny, but don't you think that any government body can be perceived as 'tyranny'? Like how being asked to wear masks is 'tyranny' and 'like a police state' according to some americans? When communist revolutionaries in the '70s perceived the left-wing social-democratic governments of western Europe as run by capitalist tyrants (and subsequently committed atrocious acts of terror)? How about when the US saw the social-democratic, democratically elected government of Iran as a threat, staged a coup in 1953 and replaced the government with an autocracy in order to protect their and British economic interests? Words can be distorted to suit anyone's agenda, and what you said is absolute bollocks. In the 'keeping democracy in check' thing, I was quoting the guy I was replying to: 'A second amendment is really the only way this could even be slowed or kept in check' 'Personal defence' is also a vague term and can be skewed by anyone for any cause if there isn't a clean-cut case against the use of it by definition. 'Actual incentive to improve' - how/in what way? To maximise profit, yes, but to make life for customers and workers easier? No way, unless it benefits their profit margins. If you've seen the unis that have allowed to be taken over by private management and ultimately been converted to cash cows with poor educational quality or just destroyed due to incompetence, I don't think you'd be so willing to let foreign companies in. The same goes for Virgin Healthcare, which took over some wards from the NHS. Luckily for me, my father was placed in one of these wards. After having a fucking seizure a few nights after being allocated a bed there, he was diagnosed with epilepsy TWO WEEKS later. So much for improvement and competence. Here's my final word: fuck Richard Branson, fuck Goldmann-Sachs, and fuck McKinsey.
2020-07-11 13:43
#120
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Denmark Dust_2_Go
It's deffinately threatned/tested But dying is an way too early call
2020-07-10 20:42
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