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Do guns kill people? or do people kill people?
NAF | 
Sweden sesar 
Title^ /discuss
2020-07-09 15:11
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#2
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Netherlands poeya
People, but a gun for sure makes it easier to kill more people than withouth gun
2020-07-09 15:12
#10
NAF | 
Sweden sesar
Do you agree with America's gun laws? or do you think that it should be more strict?
2020-07-09 15:16
#32
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Netherlands poeya
I mean, the whole fighting goverment thing was a meme before US police started acting like rulers of everyone. so maybe they do need guns to defent themselves over there.... but in EU we def dont need guns
2020-07-09 15:24
#62
NAF | 
Sweden sesar
+1 It would be stupid to take those laws to Europe. But it would be equally as stupid to remove those laws in America.
2020-07-10 22:58
Americans can only dream about gun regulation. It should be a thing, but right now it is impossible. There are 400 million guns in US. You can litteraly buy a rocket launcher. I just imagine how it would be to ask a rocket launcher owner to give his gun back.
2020-07-11 06:53
+1111
2020-07-12 13:34
In europe its easier to kill people with cars than guns
2020-07-09 15:19
it's easier to kill with cars everywhere in the world as cars are more accessible than guns generally but gun kills are more satisfying to those killers i think
2020-07-09 15:23
I think that if you wanted to mass kill people in US its easier to do it with gun (like full auto in time square...). Also i am not fucked in the head so idk what is more satisfying way to kill.
2020-07-09 15:25
it's just my own experience, there were times where i got really pissed i wished that i had a gun next to me but i didn't so i just let the thought pass by. if i lived in the us then it could be different story)))) just to show people who have argument like "if people want to kill, they will kill anyway anyhow" that's it's not true.
2020-07-09 15:31
how fucking unstable you need to be as person to kill someone when you have gun but not otherwise wtf... and trust me if you want to harm/kill you find a way
2020-07-09 15:46
yeah no..you only think black and white, it's really not that simple
2020-07-09 15:51
No i dont, if you are impulsive enough to act with a gun but not without it you shouldnt have acces to guns, period. If you want to argue that having a gun is enabling for some people they shouldnt have it, period. I am strongly against gun laws (how they are setup in my country) but some aspects of gun control should still be in place, like psychiatric evaluation for example.
2020-07-09 16:01
"If you want to argue that having a gun is enabling for some people they shouldnt have it," yes that's the point. they shouldn't have it but in some countries they can easily get it duh..............
2020-07-09 16:07
Where did i say it was ok?
2020-07-12 13:29
where did i say u said it was ok?
2020-07-12 15:14
dude wtf, get help immediately
2020-07-11 03:20
nah it was in the past
2020-07-11 05:37
Full auto weapons are extremely hard to get even in us of a. you need a special licence that costs like a car, and then you need to find a seller.
2020-07-11 05:55
Bump stocks were a thing not so long ago, also semi auto is pretty fast, not full auto fast but i get your point i said it just to say an example.
2020-07-11 11:56
Okay, I understand, and you are absolutely correct about bump stocks.
2020-07-11 19:43
Also things like tec-9 and mac-10 got amnesty didnt they?
2020-07-12 13:29
im pretty sure killing people with a car is more satisfying than with a gun just look at gta 5 for exemple, you'd prefer striking a group of people with a car than just shooting on them
2020-07-09 15:28
i think it takes more of a crazy person to kill with a car than with a gun. sometimes people get really angry in the heat of the moment and they have a gun next to them then they shoot people, but they don't really do that with cars
2020-07-09 15:31
gun is like a delete button, it's simple and convenient
2020-07-09 15:35
Gun is like using backspace, 1 click 1 erase, using truck is like "delete all"
2020-07-09 16:02
yeah but it's kinda nasty to run over people
2020-07-09 16:04
also easier to be found guilty
2020-07-11 07:44
+ Cars have an actual fucking purpose other than to kill and destroy things.
2020-07-09 21:42
Guns have the purpose of self defense See: USA.
2020-07-11 06:07
LMAO
2020-07-11 12:03
i dont think that's a factor at all lmao, killing is killing as far as I'm concerned, especially if the killing is done in the name of religion or ideology
2020-07-11 06:07
guns are more convenient, for example i don't think most school shooters would've tried to kill the school with other means. but u're entitled to have ur own opinion
2020-07-11 11:07
if u say "killing is killing" then why don't school shooters learn to create bombs and use that method instead? they would have bigger kill count with it
2020-07-11 11:59
as far as people who kill in the name of religion or ideology, i agree that it's 'killing is killing' for them but they are also usually more committed than other groups of killers
2020-07-11 12:45
+1 anyone who doesn't agree is a retard
2020-07-09 15:21
#44
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France daniel19
I would introduce some nuances, in a way that some people who own a gun, might use it if they are frightened / to dissuade. And this can lead to unwanted death, in this case the person might not have wanted to kill rather than defend himself, the gun is taking over in the balance of : what kills : people or gun. Obviously I would never defend a person that kill someone because he/she was afraid. But do you get my point?
2020-07-09 15:39
well if someone kills others just because she/he is afraid then it's the stupidity that kills people, but if u take the gun from them then what would happen? there would only be fist fights or maybe a knife wound at most
2020-07-09 15:46
#50
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France daniel19
Not everyone would go straight into fist fight. For exemple imagine you are a vulnerable person who gets attacked, out of panic you pull out your gun, what you aim to achieve is protect yourself more than killing the aggressor. If the person does not own a gun, he/she will most likely run away. This is why there are mostly involuntary homicides over voluntary ones. When your fight or flight biological response kicks in and you own a gun. Would you call stupid a person who makes use of it when the aggressor is not intimidated.
2020-07-09 15:52
i meant they would go into fist fights if they never had guns in the first place en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_.. higher rate: gun infested countries lower rate: nobody gives a fuck about guns
2020-07-09 16:34
#3
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Germany KeKaz
Kill people guns
2020-07-09 15:13
#4
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Russia Drapery
Technically bullets kill people
2020-07-09 15:13
Agreed
2020-07-09 15:22
facts
2020-07-11 07:29
Technically their velocity kills people
2020-07-12 13:56
People kill guns
2020-07-09 15:14
#GLM
2020-07-09 15:16
#6
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Poland Hanse
People kill, bun gun helps them skip some steps like morality or reasoning of their act. Unstable or impulsive people with guns - that's what we should be scared of.
2020-07-09 15:14
+1 people really think that killing with guns is the same like killing with knives? where you would need to keep stabbing the victim as they squeal, as they are screaming to stop, as they keep bleeding out to their death, as you bath urself in their blood during all that?
2020-07-09 23:25
guns kill people and people kill people because a gun need someone to pull the trigger
2020-07-09 15:14
I mean, people kill people obviously. It's why the French, Nice, Islamic terrorist didn't need a gun to kill more people than any mass shooting in America has killed. People will always have tools to do harm to others it's why you have to combat the ideas either with better ideas if they are just ideas or with overwhelming force if those ideas turn to incitement to violence or threats, rather than just bubble wrapping the world, and pretend like those things don't exist.
2020-07-09 15:17
you would fit perfectly in reddit
2020-07-09 15:17
I don't know what that means because I don't use reddit.
2020-07-09 15:17
Reddit would crucify him for bad mouthing islam wdym?
2020-07-09 15:20
he said islamic terrorists, not the religion as a whole i hope
2020-07-09 15:22
Doesnt matter to them, reddits policies made it left wing shithole, never used it ( i use it for 1 subbreddit for 1 game), and it will stay that way.
2020-07-09 15:23
or being pro gun in some parts
2020-07-11 06:20
Reddit is becoming soy central and its cringy at this point.
2020-07-11 11:57
#9
LaimB | 
Lithuania Martis
People kill people with guns
2020-07-09 15:15
yes a gun is capable of killing someone
2020-07-09 15:16
#14
NAF | 
Sweden sesar
and my pencil is capable of failing my tests 😳😳
2020-07-09 15:17
no ur just braindead monkey with 30 iq, sorry to break it to you(((((
2020-07-09 15:18
#17
NAF | 
Sweden sesar
i was are make joke :(
2020-07-09 15:18
me too mens)) or was i???????????? 🤨
2020-07-09 15:20
Your brain is capable of failing you for life
2020-07-09 15:19
#19
SpawN | 
Netherlands ONGix
Guns kill guns /discussed
2020-07-09 15:19
Mens created guns
2020-07-09 15:20
People, But there are waay too many people that shouldn't have guns, so making guns available is bad.
2020-07-09 15:20
Someone who wants to kill will find a way, killing people with car is way easier than with gun in EU. Some EU gun laws are extremely fucking stupid, some are really smart.
2020-07-09 15:22
No people kill guns /Closed
2020-07-09 15:21
Love that bane.
2020-07-09 15:56
#34
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Brazil zzzzzzznt
its simple: if the govt and the bad guys have weapons, i want one too.
2020-07-09 15:25
People kill people with guns
2020-07-09 15:26
What is the purpose of a gun? Exactly, it's a tool solely created to kill. No other purpose.
2020-07-09 15:28
#63
NAF | 
Sweden sesar
I think you missed the point my friend.
2020-07-10 23:00
I think he hit the nail on the head. Have you ever fired a real gun? I have, I was a bit surprised at how easy it was to fire a whole clip of a Browning Hi-Power, likewise I've shot a .22 Rifle a fair few times, don't laugh, it can kill you too. Both are super easy to shoot even if you have no training. Also very easy to use if you lose your head or are in a rage. For me the thing is, is that they are too easy to use, which leads to the carnage that we see reported on the News all the time.
2020-07-10 23:30
#72
NAF | 
Sweden sesar
no, you missed it too. Obviously a person holds a gun and kills people. Obviously the purpose of a gun is to kill people. But the argument "guns kill people" or "people kill people" is pointing at the gun laws in America, if it's the gun laws fault that there is so many murders in America. He took it too literally, so did a lot of people on this thread. Maybe I need to be more specific. I also have a hard time seeing much of a connection to your statement and his.
2020-07-11 03:12
replied to the wrong person
2020-07-11 06:19
Bullets kill people nobody says this like wth it's either guns or humans why its never bullets
2020-07-09 15:32
#41
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Latvia latvianguy
youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk Does this video answer your question?
2020-07-09 15:33
usually bullets dont kill people, bleeding kill people. or in other words, they are killed by their own blood pressure.
2020-07-09 15:50
If you want to be pedantic, don't you mean their Lack of Blood Pressure?
2020-07-10 23:20
they die because of their own blood pressure. without blood pressure, their blood wont leak from broken artery like that fast.
2020-07-11 07:27
Guns are awesome!
2020-07-09 15:51
+1
2020-07-11 03:32
this is america
2020-07-09 15:52
Lolololo
2020-07-09 15:57
Guns kill people. Didn't you know that when someone gets murdered, the one brought to court is gun? The one that used it is just another witness. It's like "that damn thing, it made me do this!"
2020-07-09 15:58
A Gun is a Tool, like a Drill or a Hammer. The big problem with guns (imho), is that they are very easy and cheap to use. People who own a gun & who then have a personal crisis (for whatever reason), are much more likely to commit suicide Successfully !!!! because it's so damm easy.... Thousands commit suicide using guns every single year and they have done so for decades.... Pills can be pumped out of the Stomach, people who slit their wrists etc can be saved by prompt medical actions, people who want to jump can have second thoughts or they can be talked down etc. Guns are the ultimate killers of our age, far fewer survive when they shoot themselves in the head.
2020-07-10 23:18
People who shoot themselves in the head were just going to find another way to commit the deed, you can't blame guns for that one.
2020-07-11 12:15
#140
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Poland JKG
Not necessary I mean I wouldn't kill myself in any other way than shooting myself in the head
2020-07-12 14:07
That's very odd, but I've talked to a people who have tried and failed to commit self destruct and when I ask why this way they say something like "I would have done anything to do it, I couldve drove my car into a tree, hung or shot myself, it didnt matter"
2020-07-12 19:43
people invented guns to protect themselves
2020-07-10 23:19
Not true, they were invented to kill the other guy...
2020-07-10 23:21
The first firearms, still improvised, probably appeared in China shortly after the invention of gunpowder in the 9th century. In bamboo tubes, this mixture of saltpeter, sulfur and charcoal that explodes in contact with fire was used to throw stones
2020-07-11 07:03
people kill people with guns....there ur problem solved
2020-07-10 23:21
So, you agree, guns are just a tool and it's people that kill other people?
2020-07-11 12:11
people kill people but guns make it far easier to do so. easier to pull a trigger to end a life than it is to run up to someone and repeatedly stab them and hear their screams. more disassociation from killing, and thats what makes guns dangerous in the hands of the public.
2020-07-10 23:24
Gun is just a tool. So people kill it, but because of a gun, it can kill people easier and faster and many more.
2020-07-11 03:15
mine does, all the time.
2020-07-11 03:25
bullets
2020-07-11 03:38
hello fellow eft player
2020-07-11 05:58
Both
2020-07-11 05:38
In the USA, guns are used in self defense FAR more often then they are used in aggressive actions. And when they are used in aggressive circumstances, they are illegally obtained in a lot of cases. They are the great equalizer, especially for women, the physically weak, and the untrained. I don't know about you, but the USA is a great example of why they are necessary, and why they will eventually be necessary everywhere in the world at some point in time. Europe is all nice, stable, and prosperous, but the USA was too, once upon a time. The USA's problems have more to do with its age and inability to adapt then it does fundamental malfunction. Europe will age, and it will destabilize, probably sooner then a lot of people think. The right to self defense is a fundamental right, both from police and from others, guns are the best way to use the right. USA's gun laws definitely need reform, as they just don't consistently work, but banning an AR15 just isn't the way to go imo.
2020-07-11 06:14
I think banning guns is kind of just ignoring the underlying problems the USA faces. You can ban guns, and gangs will have them anyways, petty criminals will use knives instead. Homicide rates won't go down, crime rates won't go down, poverty rates won't go down, they'll just be a bit less damaging in specific incidents. On the flip side, the ability for people, especially women, and the physically weak will be further reduced. Instead of taking away one of the most effective methods of self defense, solve the other, more important problems.
2020-07-11 06:19
2020-07-11 06:20
Guns are tools. Just in the same way you wouldn’t say a wrench fixed a car you wouldn’t say a gun killed something. Left to its own devices a gun will do nothing. Guns also need to be allowed because guns aren’t just killing tools they are deterrent tools. Just in the same way bug spray may stop a bug from biting you, a gun may stop a crime from being committed to you. People always assume a gun must be fired in every situation, but that simply isn’t true. Often the mere presence of a gun is enough to deescalate a situation.
2020-07-11 06:29
I do partially agree with you. But the people who don't deal well with guns are such a big problem, that the guns become one. They can do good in hands of peaceful owners or well trained police officers. But can do much more harm in the wrong hands. It's all about the people. I remember a few years ago, when a guy runned over people in NY with a truck, a cop shot him in the leg. With the terrorist alive they brought down a network of terrorists. What I mean is, guns aren't for everyone
2020-07-11 07:00
"Often the mere presence of a gun is enough to deescalate a situation." Can't you say the exact opposite as well?
2020-07-11 07:09
What would that opposite be exactly?
2020-07-11 07:29
He says the presence of a gun is enough to deescalate a situation. Im saying that it can also escalate a situation.
2020-07-11 07:49
Do people paint art or do paintbrushes paint art?
2020-07-11 06:31
not at all. if i don't have a gun on my hands, i can just kill a guy with scissors doesn't matter what i have on my hands, does matter what type of person i am
2020-07-11 06:37
#97
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Argentina ivanpb
people do kill people through the use of weapons
2020-07-11 07:02
People kill people, thats it.
2020-07-11 07:35
people kill people, guns just assist them
2020-07-11 11:51
m.youtube.com/watch?v=xC03hmS1Brk Jon Lajoie kills people
2020-07-11 12:06
People kill people, if you leave a gun on a table fully loaded pointed at someone nothing will happen, if someone pulls the trigger then something happens
2020-07-11 12:12
what if the gun falls on the ground and shoots by accident :D
2020-07-11 12:16
Something would have to knock it over or bump into the table it is on for it to fall
2020-07-11 20:57
earthquake?
2020-07-11 21:05
How powerful would that earthquake have to be???
2020-07-11 21:29
8.0 :D
2020-07-11 23:07
"Guns don't kill people, the government does" -Dale Gribble
2020-07-11 12:12
people kill guns
2020-07-11 12:15
guns dont kill people canadians do kill people with guns
2020-07-11 12:16
nuclear weapons doesn't kill people, people kill people! pls give me nuclear weapon mens))
2020-07-11 12:17
Have you heard of Taurus pistols? They kill people with accidental shots
2020-07-11 12:19
Guns obviously don't kill people, but they make it a lot easier. Many people who'd never be able to kill using (for example) a knife will be able to do so with a gun, since it allows you to end a life with literally just the push of a button. That is the danger of firearms.
2020-07-11 12:51
People kill people but a gun males it way easier to kill someone
2020-07-11 12:54
#131
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Finland ToxicDUD
People kill people If they dont have guns they use knives If they dont have knives they use fists. In the US guns kill less people than fists, clubs or bats :// In UK where the guns are banned there are a ton of stabbings and acid killings
2020-07-11 23:10
2020-07-12 13:39
Guns. Do you ever seen anybody kills with a piece of paper?
2020-07-12 13:59
Wtf is that example. Have you heard about knives, hammers, knuckle iron and maby other melee weapons.
2020-07-12 14:02
People
2020-07-12 14:01
"Those who renounce the freedom in exchange of security promises ended without one or another." If history tells us something is that little by little goverments will cease liberty and become more authoritary and more "socialist".
2020-07-12 14:18
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