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Football - Lionel Messi
Tennis - Novak Djokovic
F1 - Michael Schumacher
MMA - Fedor Emelianenko (will be Khabib if he has the balls to fight Ferguson and beats him)
Boxing - Sugar Ray Robinson
Ice hockey - Wayne Gretzky
Baseball - Babe Ruth
Handegg - Tom Brady
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
Handegg - Tom Brady
CS:GO - Mathieu "ZywOo" Herbaut
League of Legends - Lee "Faker" Sang-hyeok
Dota 2 - Anathan "ana" Pham
Chess - Garry Kasparov
Golf - Tiger Woods
/discuss
Tom Brady the two time
just cos u disagree with djokovic on vaccines doesn't mean he's not the goat
He said that because you listed him twice you tard
i didn't say anything about tom brady ?
Handegg - Tom Brady is listed twice that is why he wrote Tom Brady the two time
Magnus > Kasparov
f0rest > ZywOo
federer goat
agree
+1
+1
+1
+2
I wouldnt say s1mple, niko and flusha are GOATer than f0rest
whole Astralis lol. Device is just the star player, but they are all individually very talented. Not just device.
fallen/fer - both better but jsut cry babies and bad role models.
pasha/neo too. Both very good players in their prime.
neo was no where near f0rest in csgo, neither was pasha tbh but he's a little closer, as for "the whole of astralis" the only one thats close to f0rest is dupreeh, stop disrespecting f0rest csgo career lmao
in fact neo was average in csgo at best lmao, he's not even top 100 all time csgo
top 1 in 1.6 but not top 100 csgo
xyp9x is the goat support and gla1ve is the goat igl but roles really don't add bonuses for GOAT, otherwise gla1ve is top 5 and xyp is top 15 close to f0rest aswell
magisk is just below regardless of how u look at it, point being even if u include gla1ve dup and xyp, f0rest is still top 20 against what #43 said
but the fact u even considered neo in csgo shows ur lack of cs knowledge
wow sorry cs go knowledge, you have a degree in it? so smart someone should hire u, dumb fuck
point is, they both have same amount of majors, only difference is that f0rest has better individual skill when is obvious when neo transitioned to IGL.
VP were still one of the better teams in this game, but u would know that csgo smart knowledge degree owner
VP being one of the better teams has nothing to do with neo being better than f0rest lmao what????
snax is comparable to f0rest, also neo wasn't always igl in VP and even when he wasn't igl he was clearly inferior, neo was the 4th best player on vp throughout the years and far from f0rest level in csgo
the WHOLE of astralis is better btw
no way to justify 4x major winning team being lower than 1x LOL
Zeus > s1mple/zywoo/niko. Majors don't lie.
theyre not. 3-4 players from astralis are pretty overrated as individuals. except device.
very stupid to judge a TEAM game on individuals.
Every team has a player that isnt a godly player dropping 30 kills every match. Players have defined roles they need to do. Just because a player like xyp or gla1ve isnt dropping 30 frags, doesnt make then any less impactful.
Its like giving only praise to attackers in football when defenders win you a game by not conceding. Sure, they arent the most technically gifted but they have a role to do, and they do it well.
they arent insanely individually talented though.
And they dont have to be.
A team game is made up of 5 individuals who each have a different role.
Astralis lost 2 members and probably sit around tier 2 right now which shows the importance of those individuals within the team.
f0rest is easily top10 in csgo
Federer >= Nadal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Djokovic
0/8
+1000
magnus ?LOOOOL
Kasparov is the youngest world champion + he had the highest amount of point for 23 years in a row .
+1 he is obviously the goat, even the current top chess players claims that
2nd is debateable between magnus and fisher, but probably magnus since fisher only played for a short time. However, bobby is the person that brought chess the most attention and the sport grew big time because of it.
+1
forest has been average for years and when he was good he was vs shit teams, hence why nip had an era. s1mple is goat of cs go no question about it
if its CS its f0rest, if its CSGO is device for sure, noone comes close to devve.
yeah device/s1mple only options for cs go imo, i still think skill wise s1mple is marginally better than anyone else, skill wise device isnt top 3.
But skill clearly isn't everything.
Device career started way before s1mple,
He have been on a top 5 team since the literal start, pretty much.
Was a top 3 rifler until he "choice" to main awp.
Won the most events/majors pretty much, been on a top1 team the longest(?), great teamplayer, for sure the GOAT of csgo.
+11
"CS:GO - Matthew "ZywOo" Herbaut"
0/8
+1
Imo in Dota I think it's jerax
no its n0tail
n0tail is the most accomplished, but he was not even top5 as a support or a carry. Sure, his micro is insane, but you have to consider individual skills also. Jerax could turn around matches with earth spirit/shaker, but n0tail depended way more on miracle/ana when he didn't play meepo/spectre
+1 particularly kuro and puppey, they have the longest careers and still playing at the top level today, they are comparable to neo and f0rest
Football - s1mple
Tennis - s1mple
F1 - s1mple
MMA - s1mple
Boxing - s1mple
Ice hockey - s1mple
Baseball - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
Swimming - s1mple
Sprint - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
CS:GO - s1mple
League of Legends - s1mple
Dota 2 - s1mple
Chess - s1mple
Golf - s1mple
0/8 for effort
I'm miles ahead in Dota than s1mple, he's even below average, fakin 2k mmr
dota s2mple? nt
nt AZR
True, no doubts
+1
Football - Ronaldo R9
Tennis - Guga Kuerten
F1 - Senna
MMA - Anderson Silva
Boxing - Popo Freitas
Ice Hockey - WHO CARES?
Baseball - WHAT?
Handegg - Giselle's Husband
Swimming - Cesar Cielo
Sprint - Robson Caetano
CSGO - Gabriel Toiletto
Dota 2 - Raphael "seucreysonreborn24anosmelhoridade" Almeida
Chess - Henrique Mecking
Golf - Tony Soprano
basketball:Oscar schimidt/nene
crey goat
Crey > GauleS
GSP & Jon Jones > Silva
salve helder bmbr
both
messi better
Your probably around 10 years old. Ronaldinho at its peak you can’t really compare him to any one, he did UNBELIEVABLE THINGS WITH THE BALL. even Messi said it. Even Real Madrid fans stood up and applauded him when he played for Barcelona. FYI Messi is his pupile. Ronaldinho is a party animal, shit, he was in prison couple months ago lol can’t blame him!
Ronaldo miles ahead as well, who cares if he doesn’t have UCL, he was TWO WC and a second place. due to a couple of knee surgires, he was wasn’t able to play as he used to before.
Only thing Messi is better than both of them is being a profissional. He’s autistic, no friends = no party life = boring. And you can’t blame the Argentinian team, because he did play with a lot of stars...
No, Ronaldo didn’t played a single SECOND of the 1994 WC, that’s like saying Reus won in 2014. And no, Ronaldinho didn’t unbelievable things with the ball, every thing he has ever done, players such as Neymar or Saint-Maximin have already replicated it in terms of dribbling and Messi literally doubled the max amount of goals(40) Ronaldinho had in a season. Messi literally humiliated Real Madrid and silenced the entirety of Santiago Bernabeu, every single iconic moment of Ronaldinho’s career has already been either surpassed or replicated. Ronaldo’s season at Barça is impressive, yes, but both Ronaldo and Messi have outscored him while winning the treble in the process.
You’re literally blinded by your fanboyism and you have 0 arguments, go back to watch Ronaldinhos highlights with some electronic music in the background, you clearly know shit about football.
"electronic music in the background" LMAO
Impact? What type of impact does he have on the Argentinian squad? Your either blind or retarded.
What impact or title did he achieve after xavi, iniesta and guardiola left???
Not much right? Stop being a dumb 2000 generation kid and learn a bit more of the fundamentals in football. I bet any professional would pick the RonaldoS in their peak ( not cr7 ) over Messi.
youtu.be/G9emLuW7mjs
youtu.be/f5ucAfX_Fjk
learn some football, kid.
What do you want me to say? Messis numbers are higher, Ronaldo’s first injury was in 95, the beginning of his career and he still accomplished a lot and had WAY more impact then Messi will ever have in any team. Unfortunately he had a bad knee.
Ps : Ronaldo was a star in every league he played, when in Italy he scored so many goals. Messi just plays against scrubs in the Spanish league lol, only Real Madrid and atlético and maybe Valencia is worth it. When he actually plays against top level players like in the WC, he never shows up. Stop being a enzo and WAKE THE FUCK Up.
Just gave up in defending Ronaldinho, huh?
Well, you said Ronaldo’s peak was better than Messi, so having injury isn’t a excuse. Cristiano has a degenerative injury in his knee since 2014 and he’s the biggest footballer in Portugal and the best UCL player of all time, so, why should his minor injury in 95 be a excuse?
Messi just plays against scrubs?
Messi in UCL
114 goals in 141 games
0,80 goal ratio
37 assists in 141 games
0,26 ratio
151 goal contributions in 141 games
1,1 ratio
most goals against English top 6
2nd in number of goals in knock out stage
4 UCL trophies
Biggest scorer in El Classico history
For their national teams:
70 goals in 138 appearances (most in Argentina history)
0,51 ratio
48 assists in 138 appearances (most in Argentina history)
0,35 ratio
118 goal contributions in 138 games
0,85 ratio
Ronaldo for national team
56 goals in 90 appearances
0,62 ratio
12 assists in 90 appearances
0,13 ratio
68 goals contribution in 90 games
0,75 ratio
Ronaldo’s notable teammates: Rivaldo; Cafu; Roberto Carlos; Kaká; Ronaldinho.
Messi’s notable teammates: Di Maria, Aguëro.
Best Player in the WC trophies: both 1
Best player in the UCL trophies: 3 for Messi, 0 for Fenômeno
Ballon D’Or: 6 for Messi, 3 for Fenômeno.
I won’t even post or compare their UCL stats because that would be embarrassing for the comedor de travesti.
How many goals did Messi scored in the finals and in important games? Not much, right? How many titles did he collect after Xavi and Iniesta? When it comes to crunchtime in a final game, i would choose R9 or Ronaldinho 100 times before Messi. Stats are not everything, a hattrick against Levante is not better than a decider goal in a big final.
Yes, because Ronaldinho was so clutch in 2006, 2010, or, you know? Any final he has ever played. Btw, Messi has the second most knock-out stage goals in UCL, only CR7 is better than him, if you want to consider CR7 the GOAT because of this, I’m fine, but saying Ronaldinho is clutch is delusional and blatantly fake.
Tendi, mas eu acho que é muito mais fácil determinar o “maior” do que o “melhor”, tem gente que considera que o melhor driblador significa o melhor, tem gente que prefere passe, finalização, ou o que consegue cumprir todos os aspectos, etc. Pra mim, o MELHOR é o Messi, por ele ser um driblador, passador e goleador fora do comum, mas tem gente que pode achar Ronaldinho por causa dos dribles, Cristiano pela mentalidade e finalização, Cruyff pela inteligência, etc.
Carrying them to WC final, which is something ronaldo hasn't come close to doing. Winning the olympics, winning the U-21 WC.
Check these stats: milannikoliccar17.wixsite.com/fcbarcalog..
Argentina with and without messi. You can see such a huge difference
lol no
bcoz kasparov is the youngest chess champion
he had the highest amount of points for the longest time
he has the most legendaries plays
i didnt know that magnus became WC at his 22
yeah, agree that he can become the goat but rn he isnt
American Football:Brady
Football:Pelé(ofc)
basket:MJ
tennis:djoko/federer
MMA:Anderson Silva
Swimming:Phelps
CSGO:Device/coldzera/olof/flusha/fallen
Gap & Jon jones > Silva
pele lmao
Puppey, sure he has been with the same org for 5 years. f0rest and GeT_RiGhT had done better. tbf ThO, Puppey did win the TI1 and like that, NiP should've won Dreamhack Winter 2013
even if the you consider the 2 TI's, I would also consider Jerax too be another GOAT Potential
Ah yes win TI twice in a row by a fluke
Well he did win 2 majors in a row aswell, but I'm not arguing that he is the goat here. However saying him winning two tis in a row is a fluke is ridiculous.
Better to win 3-4 important tournaments/ti not win small ones with tier 3 teams included, point!
Sorry i dont watch football or even about which sport you are talking.. We gada conversation about dota and ana.
Ana is tier1 top list carry, but probably puppey are more succesfull long term
I’d ague Jerax has a better claim to GOAT than ana. That whole team won ti twice, ana was not that influencial in either of those wins. Yes he’s a world class carry player but n0tail & Ceb created the team environment to succeed. Jerax when he played was arguably the most mechanically gifted player ever to touch the game, he defined the 4 role for years.
Puppeys an interesting one, hes always been able to create a successful team environment and that is such a skill. Captain wise probably goat but not the best player
+1 schumacher bestest goat
but in future im bestest goat
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Kasparov is definitely not the goat. Bobby Fischer and Carlsen, hard to tell.
what has fischer really done to be counted among goats?
And Kasparov was best for very long period of time.
At his best, Fischer was able to demolish even his most skilled contenders. In chess, this is beyond impressive. It wasn't close games, like Kasparov and Karpov. Fischer just heavily outplayed every single one of them. He also was able to win very drawish positions very often, like Carlsen. Kasparov is a beast, ofc, but he didn't show Fischers or Carlsens dominance at his peak.
Yeah but he also did not wish to play against Karpov, to be fair, Spassky was immensely skilled and he put a great fight against Fisher, highly underrated player still to this day. Americans just love to tell great stories about them.
Kasparov is by far the GOAT looking at the past century, especially when we take a look at consistency.
Spassky was a beast, but the match in 72 was heavily one-sided. Spassky showed some fighting spirit when it was too late.
And believe me, i have no reasons or intentions to put America on a pedestal.
I think that if someone knows chess history just a bit, Fischer not playing Karpov (and then Garry) was the biggest upset ever. Would've been epic.
Yup, it will forever be the ultimate speculation. My take on it is that Karpov would have won, considering theory at the time and his highly uncommon way of playing coupled with his precision.
But it's just a guess of course. Still WC for 15 years, sometimes overlooked by Kasparov sadly. Also great human being.
it's obvious russian bias everywhere in chess.
people just can't take russians are too good and way ahead in chess.
There have been a lot of players who could literally demolish their opponents but they aren't balanced. No way Carlsen is as dominant as you say, can see from the games.
Kasparov was consistent for much much longer period of time than anyone and FIscher's peak wasn't that much higher than Kasparov.
I have no problem with russians. If anything, i have more problem with americans than with russians. It's just my sincere impression. About Carlsen, recently, rapid and blitz chess are becoming more common, and yeah, i agree that in these formats Carlsen is not as dominant. But in classical chess, no one comes near to him, having the longest unbeaten streak on classical format in history (120+ games).
because nowadays no one is as good in classical format as old players.
In olden times players put in effort and time playing same format. There was no machines to find best moves, they used to work on their calculations a lot more than modern chess players. Now chess is predictable and hence focus has shifted away from classical format. So it's time for players to shine in non classical formats.
Idk why people hurry to desqualify someones ideas based on some kind of imaginary hatred against some person or country. And if it serves you something, Tal is my all time favorite. He's not russian, but he was on the USSR team, so i think this counts for something.
Tal is my favorite too. I like his revolutionary style. He could've done better had he not had health issues.
I like players like Capablanca or Fischer or Botvinnik who added different flair to chess like no other but still Kasparov is better.
You just can't discount Kasparov's consistency. He was top 1 for 222 months out of 225 months.
Just everyone mentions Fischer and Carlsen like what do they've over Kasparov.
They're not even close.
By looking at games Kasparov seems more all rounded than Fischer and Carlsen.
By looking at peak which can only be compared by elos, Carlsen has highest peak among them and Kasparov has 2nd highest but if we see 5 year peak,10 year peak,20 year peak Kasparov is clearly a better chess player.
Only that Kasparov lost to computer is black spot on his career. Otherwise he is clearly greatest of all time.
Qikert > zywoo
youtube.com/watch?v=DzJKrEfkGpY
this guy? lmao
omg you are so naive xD
in Dota only 3 guys in the race
Puppey, Kuroky or Notail.
Kuroky owns many records
Notail has won 2 TI and 4 Majors but inconstint as fuck
Puppey and Kuro did a lot more work for the whole Dota scene
So it is Puppey vs Kuro
puppey is the goat of choking at ti
starcraft - flash
Exactly
+1
Nascar: Dale Earnhartd
Football: Messi
Tennis: Federer
MMA: GSP
Boxing: Lomachenko
CS:GO - Mathieu "ZywOo" Herbaut
I love when newf#gs are thinking that zywo is goat. This guy didn't win any major and he's signed as a pro since yesterday -.-
For now his stats are nothing for me. It will be important if he wins like 3 majors and he will play for atleast 6+ years on pro scene. Right now he's just another rising star.
For example, Imo Xyp9x is the best player in Denmark, period. I don't care about star players.
All about "e-sports" is LAN.
You can be a star in Your own room, on Your own chair, with Your own monitor, without jet-lag or beeing tired from traveling.
The question is always about if You can do the same on lan, outside of Your room, can You handle the pressure from the fans that You can see close to the stage.
Thats why LAN will always be more important than some online gaming.
Thats what make great players great, the abbility to handle pressure and play well outside of Your comfort zone.
I hope You learned something. You probably started playing CS in 2017 or smth so You don't know sh!t about e-sports.
I've seen great "online players" stressed at the backstages at LAN live.
Then You proved me right, there is no point talking to You because You have 0 knowlegde about e-sports or CSGO.
I'd bet that You're some supreme MM kid with lvl 5-7 on faceit.
Your comment proves that You're a kid between 15-20 yo.
Son, I am on HLTV since this site started. You didn't knew how to speak when I made my main account.
Football - Pelé
Tennis - IDGAF
F1 - Ayrton senna
MMA - John Cena
Boxing - IDGAF
Ice hockey - IDGAF
Baseball - IDGAF
Handegg - don't even know what is that sport but ok
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
CS:GO - coldzera 2 times top 1 sorry, but in a few years s0mple (or s1mple maybe)
League of Legends - who cares about LOL
Dota 2 - who cares about dota
Chess - IDGAF
Golf - IDGAF
coldzera lmfao. robbed device in 2016, robbed niko in 2017.
Basketball - Boring answer Michael Jordan, woke answer Larry bird
stopped at messi
Football - Cristiano Ronaldo,Zinedine Zidane(can't decide)
Tennis - Serena Williams
F1 - Michael Schumacher
MMA - Conor/Khabib
Boxing - Muhammad Ali
Ice hockey - idk
Baseball - idk
Handegg - ??
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
CS - f0rest
League of Legends - Lee "Faker" Sang-hyeok
Dota 2 - kek esports
Chess - Gary Kasparov
Golf - Tiger Woods
Gary Kasparov,Muhd Ali,Schumaker,f0rest,faker are undisputed goats of their respective categories.
You must be dumb to argue on that.
Cristiano ronaldo lol
easily, dk what is to laugh here
absolutely dominated CL with Real Madrid 9 semis in a row, dominated La liga with an unmotivated team which lost mostly to minnows of league, won Euros and nations league.
Played as a midfielder for Utd and then as a traditional winger and then more as a goalscorer.
He didn't stop after injury in 2014 which really regressed his abilities. Proved himself in top 3 leagues of Europe, contender for golden boot at the age of 35 with a really poor team.
Zidane is also there because he has won UCL, league titles in 2 countries,Euros,ballon d'or,fifa best,etc while being midfielder.
easily messi 6 ballondor
doesn't mean anything
that way Modric is better than Xavi and Iniesta on all time midfielder list.
0/8
you are 0/8ing your own statement
OP said CS:GO not CS
but I don't wanna do cs:go
it is easily device in csgo but imo cs as a whole is better way to decide the goat than to talk about csgo
-1 0 top1
imo cs as a whole is better way to decide the goat than to talk about csgo
lmfao, ronaldo ... you don't know football bro
You are speaking out of prejudice
CR7 is the greatest footballer of all time, right foot, left foot, header? No problem!
His professionalism is unmatched throughout all athletic competitions.
He has no footballing flaw!
450 goals in 438 games... Crazy... Statistically, is like starting every match on 1-0 score for Real
look at Real Madrid and see what misfortune it is Real madrid bought Cristiano for 90M , used him 9 years at his peak, won 15 trophies including 4 champions league and 2 la liga and then sold him for 100M and still they are in loss
They sold their champions league
Idk why you're bringing team achievements in here. Anyways, messi has more major trophies anyways. he is also the only player to maintain a 50+ G/A since the 2008/09 season . he also doesnt need a world class midfield to perform. then again, who should I believe.....
80% of well established footballers, ex-footballers, analysts, managers, commentators or "Strider0" on HLTV.org. Messi is the GOAT , and if you can't see it then you don't have common sense or are bias towards him.
"he also doesnt need a world class midfield to perform."
Portugal before Ronaldo : 0 final
Portugal with Ronaldo : 3 final , 2 championships
Argentina before Messi: 2 World Cups, 14 Copa
Argentina with Messi: 4 finals, zero championship
Messi has always proved that without his teammates he is not that good,he doesn't even dare to change his team because messi himself even know that he can't do well in another team, as he has proved in Argentina.
and always in the difficult stages of the Champions League, he showed his worst game and disappointed the Barca fans , he has never been a good leader for his team while Ronaldo has always been a savior for Real madrid
"messi has more major trophies anyways"
The most valuable and difficult trophie to win in football is Champions League
so lets take a look :
Ronaldo 5 Champions League
The whole history of Barca : 5 Champions League
You can't compare NTs before and after one player and not compare the teams that they had before lol. Portugal won a final against france without ronaldo, which says a lot. Messi has carried argentina and you have to be blind to not see that.
Check this out: milannikoliccar17.wixsite.com/fcbarcalog..
This was in 2018 and the stats would be more in messis favour today as ronaldo isn't the same anymore (sure he has been great lately but def not before this fase)
even if you ask a wise man and a very low understanding of football, which teams have better players between Argentina and Portugal?will say Argentina
Messi sent the ball to the moon in the penalty shootout, ruining his team's championship
"Portugal won a final against france without ronaldo, which says a lot"
Ronaldo carried the team to the final and even after his injury he was like a real leader behind his team and you have to be blind to not see that.
stats : Ronaldo scored more goals and that's right, of course, with more games
but Ronaldo has always proven what a tough guy he is and how hard he tries. And it has shown that it is getting better year by year,I can promise that if Ronaldo had played for Real Madrid(like messi for barca) from first day, he would have had a much better results now.
I always wanted to see Messi in another team to see if he could play well in another team :))
Messi has more goals per game? lol have you even read my post to see what I say? Ronaldo has always proven what a tough guy he is and how hard he tries and it has shown that it is getting better year by year,I can promise that if Ronaldo had played for Real Madrid(like messi for barca) from first day, he would have had a much better results now. so lets compare, GOALS SINCE RONALDO'S MOVE TO SPAIN
ronaldo: 450 goals in 438 games avg1,03
messi: 476 goals in 472 games avg0,99
lol not bad ?
Ronaldo is the fastest player to reach 100 goals
Ronaldo is the fastest player to reach 200 goals
Ronaldo is the fastest player to reach 300 goals
Ronaldo is the fastest player to reach 400 goals
If you want to continue this discussion, talk to me with evidence and answer the question I am asking, otherwise
/close
ALL GOALS:
Messi - 604 in 751 (0.8);
Cristiano - 649 in 902 (0.72).
CLUB GOALS:
Messi - 543 in 628 (0.86);
Cristiano - 568 in 753 (0.75).
INTERNATIONAL GOALS:
Messi - 61 in 123 (0.5);
Cristiano - 81 in 149 (0.54).
LEAGUE GOALS:
Messi - 375 in 411 (0.91);
Cristiano - 394 in 509 (0.77).
CHAMPIONS LEAGUE GOALS:
Messi - 100 in 124 (0.81);
Cristiano - 119 in 154 (0.77).
OTHER
(Copa del Rey, Spanish Supercup, FA Cup, League Cup, Community Shield, Club World Cup, UEFA Supercup):
Messi - 68 in 93 (0.73);
Cristiano - 54 in 89 (0,61).
Messi has a better goalscoring ratio in every category except international goals, but what about when they were at their best, goalscoring wise?
MOST GOALS IN A SEASON:
Messi - 73 in 60 (1,22) (2011/12);
Cristiano - 61 in 54 (1,12) (2014/15).
MOST GOALS IN A CALENDAR YEAR:
Messi - 91 in 69 (1,31) (2012);
Cristiano - 69 in 59 (1,16) (2013).
Okay, but Cristiano's shots are said to be much more lethal than Messi's and he's a bigger threat from outside of the box, right? Here are their conversion rates since Ronaldo's move to Spain.
TOTAL CONVERSION RATE:
Messi - 22%;
Cristiano - 15%.
CONVERSION RATE FROM OUTSIDE OF THE BOX:
Messi - 11%;
Cristiano - 4%;
Alright, but Cristiano is still a much more decisive player and he works well under pressure, when his team needs him... right? Let's take a look.
CONVERSION RATE WHEN THEIR TEAM IS WINNING:
Messi - 23%;
Cristiano - 25%.
CONVERSION RATE WHEN THEIR TEAM IS DRAWING/LOSING:
Messi - 21%;
Cristiano - 5%.
As you can see, Messi's conversion rate drops almost unnoticeably when his team isn't in a favored position, while Ronaldo's drops drastically.
And how about GOALS IN FINALS?
Messi - 27 in 26 (1,03);
Cristiano - 18 in 23 (0,78).
Now, let's take a deeper look into their goals.
GOALS AFTER ONE DRIBBLE:
Messi - 122;
Cristiano - 48.
GOALS AFTER TWO DRIBBLES:
Messi - 41;
Cristiano - 11.
GOALS AFTER THREE DRIBBLES:
Messi - 15;
Cristiano - 2.
GOALS AFTER FOUR OR MORE DRIBBLES:
Messi - 4;
Cristiano - 0.
And how many times have they delivered the so-called 'pass before the assist' to latch onto the end of it? Let's see.
PRE-ASSISTED GOALS:
Messi - 98 (16%);
Cristiano - 14 (0.2%).
And who's the better provider?
ALL-TIME ASSISTS:
Messi - 247 in 751 (0,32);
Cristiano - 208 in 902 (0,23).
So basically, Messi has been directly involved in more goals than he's played games. He's been directly involved in 851 goals in 751 games, 100 more goals than games or 1,13 goals per game. Cristiano has been directly involved in 857 goals in 902 games or 0,95 goals per game.
What about when they were at their best, assist wise?
MOST ASSISTS IN A SEASON:
Messi - 29 in 60 (0,48) (2011/12)
Cristiano - 21 in 54 (0,39) (2014/15)
MOST ASSISTS IN A CALENDAR YEAR:
Messi - 36 in 70 (0,52) (2011);
Cristiano - 20 in 60 (0,33) (2014).
MESSI'S UCL GOALS AGAINST PREMIER LEAGUE SIDES:
20 in 28 (0.72).
9 Goals vs Arsenal;
6 Goals vs Manchester City;
3 Goals vs Chelsea;
2 Goals vs Manchester United.
CRISTIANO'S GOALS AGAINST SELECTED ENGLISH TEAMS (ALL COMPS):
5 vs Arsenal, 5 vs Manchester City, 2 vs Manchester United, 1 vs Chelsea.
But yes, I'm sure Messi couldn't do it on a cold wet night at Stoke.
NON-PENALTY GOALS:
Messi - 527 in 751 (0.7);
Cristiano - 547 in 902 (0.6).
GOALS IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE:
Messi - 100 in 124 (0.81);
Cristiano - 119 in 154 (0.77).
ASSISTS IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE:
Messi - 27 in 124 (0.21);
Cristiano - 39 in 154 (0.25).
GOALS + ASSISTS IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE:
Messi - 127 in 124 (1,02);
Cristiano - 158 in 154 (1,02).
HAT-TRICKS IN THE CHAMPIONS LEAGUE:
Messi - 7;
Cristiano - 7.
ARGENTINA'S WIN PERCENTAGE:
With Messi - 72%;
Without Messi - 19%.
TOTAL:
Messi - 98 in 123 (0.79);
Cristiano - 108 in 149 (0.72).
How can you possibly not see the difference lmfao.
Of course Ronaldo will have more goals since his move to spain, as he moved in his prime, which messi wasn't in. And even then if you look at assists messi has more goal involments than ronaldo per game.
And ronaldo is 2/3 years older than messi so if course he will have scored them faster, while also not being in a stacked barcelona with prime ronaldinho at the wing
"And ronaldo is 2/3 years older than messi so if course he will have scored them faster," its not about who did it first its about who did it in more less game
answer me why you think messi is better ?
im telling you why ronaldo is better
He is more determined
The key to success is embedded not only with talent and hard work. Grit and determination plays a pivotal role in shaping the road to success. Simply put, the basic difference between these two players lies in their mentality. While Messi is a genius in field, he lacks the fighter spirit. While Messi is a talent inborn, Ronaldo is the beast unleashed.
His determination to keep healthy and physically fit has driven Sports Scientists insane. The medical tests after his transfer to Juventus brought forth an amazing information. Ronaldo who was 33 at that time, possessed the physical age of a 20 year old. Determined to be the best, he never compromised on his training and diets.
Time and again he has pitched himself to situation and has come out of it victorious. Whenever his team needed him, he stood up and contributed immensely. Therefore his determination is one of
Can you remember this legendary header from the iconic Portuguese superstar?
He has a better goal-scoring tally
Whenever you need a man for the knockout stages of the tournament, Ronaldo is the man to go. He has delivered on numerous instances where his team needed him to overcome a gargantuan obstacle. Be it for the club or country, Ronaldo has been prolific when it comes to scoring at the crucial moments.
The hat-trick against VFL Wolfsburg in 2016, turned the tables of the fixture. Real Madrid was trailing by 2 goals and the hat-trick sneaked them out into the next round. Similar to this was the hat-trick against Atletico Madrid. His hat-trick against Spain in the 2018 World Cup is an absolute treat. Most remarkably his goal from the bicycle kick which came against Juventus was heavily applauded by the Juventus fans themselves.
Internationally he has scored around 99 goals and Messi is tasting the dirt a long way down the road. This edges him ahead of his contemporary rival and is one of the 8 Reasons why Ronaldo is better than Messi.
Ronaldo inspired Portugal to win the UEFA Euro Cup in 2016
More international success
In the international level, Messi is way behind Ronaldo. Be it tally of goals, to contribution to the team or winning the silverware for the nation. Every aspect is lead by Ronaldo. With almost a century of goals Ronaldo is 10 short of becoming the highest international goalscorer of all time.
However Messi is heavily unsuccessful with his nation. Blowing the chances of winning the COPA twice, he announced retirement. This escapist attitude is what lacks in Ronaldo. A ruthless foul from Payet saw him getting sidelined for the match in the finals of Euro 2016. Absent from the line of action, he stayed by the sideline encouraging the team. The Euro Cup of 2016, and the Nation’s League of 2018 are his national achievements. Messi is yet to open account, given how time is slipping out of hands, it is unlikely he will be able to do so.
Ronaldo continues to show his class with spectacular deeds
Playing in Different Leagues
Ronaldo calls for challenges, while Messi runs away from it. Messi’s loyalty towards Barcelona is commendable, however it is indicative of the fact that he is not looking for new opportunities. The journey of Ronaldo from Sporting CP, to Manchester United, to Real Madrid and now Juventus has been studded with challenges and new obstacles. While for Messi it is the same old thing over and over again. ‘
If coming out of the comfort zone and excelling is an art, then Ronaldo is the artist. While Messi is the escapist who avoids venture into roads untraveled.
Ronaldo is A More Complete Player
Undoubtedly Messi is skillful. However when we combine athleticism, strength, durability along with skill set, Ronaldo sails ahead of him. Being complete player is one fundamental principal in modern day football. Just possessing skills won’t fetch adequate results. In order to be the best one needs to be complete.
Ronaldo’s most prolific attribute is able to put both of his legs to work equally efficiently. Banging screamers across the field, to subtly chipping it over the defense Ronaldo has done it all. Not to forget his areal abilities. His spot jump exceeds that of an NBA player. All these factors pile up and sails Ronaldo way ahead of Messi and hence one of the 8 Reasons why Ronaldo is better than Messi.
Ronaldo is a better all-round player compared to his Argentine rival
Ronaldo Is Already Building a Legacy
Over the years Ronaldo has built a legacy far more supreme than that of Messi. Globally both the players are equally loved. However the philanthropic activities of Ronaldo edges him slightly ahead of his rival.
Their contribution to the football world is immense. Outside the football world, these two have engaged in activities for the betterment of the world. Contributing immensely to relief funds, children’s development fund and development funds.
Apart from it, Ronaldo regularly donates blood and supports the cause of blood donation. Therefore this is one of the 8 Reasons why Ronaldo is better than Messi.
Big-Game Performance
If you are still finding it hard to accept that Ronaldo is better than Messi, then this should do it. Ronaldo currently holds the record for the most Champions League final wins (5) and also the record for scoring in the most Champions League finals (3). From 2011/12 he has scored an average of 10 goals every season in the UEFA Champions League.
Even in Portugal, he always scores his goals during crucial moments – like the time he equalized twice to make sure Portugal progress through the knockout stage during the 2016 Euros, the penalty shootout win against Poland, and the goal and assists in the semi-final against Wales.
While Messi is talisman and has awed us with his performance. However the contribution of Ronaldo in decisive matches puts him well ahead. No wonder Juventus were convinced of his abilities and signed him even when he was 33.
The Portugese is more reliable during big games
The Portuguese is more reliable during big games
Performance Under Pressure
It is a well-known fact that Ronaldo is a player who knows how to absorb pressure and perform to the best of his ability. Messi on the other hand crumbles to the rising pressure around him. Expectations are lot from these two. While Ronaldo delivers them with ease, Messi struggles to do so.
Most significant instance is when Messi announced retirement after being defeated in the finals of the Copa America. This was indeed a display of weak establishment of character. It was expected of him to hold a strong command as he is one of the greatest of all times.
Ronaldo on the other hand is a true leader and loves working under pressure. He believes that being under constant pressure helps him bring out the best in him.
90% of what you just said is so easily debunkable and i have alraedy done that in my former text. If you are shitting on me for not reading your former text then read my text as well. Saying ronaldo is moer complete when the only thing he is better at is heading lmfao.
The only thing that are compareble between the two is goal scoring ability, which even them messi s better at.
Messi has more impact under pressure, which is proven, also has more impact in big games, which is shown a lot in international play as well,
"Ronaldo is better than messi because he donates blood" LMFAO gtfo
"Ronaldo is A More Complete Player" Is just retarded. Messi is a better goal scorer, assister, more chances created, mroe freekicks, more dribbles, more goals outside the box with a much higher converstion rate, and a much higher playmaking ability, such a higher rate of key passes and trough balls, pre assisted goal, minutes per goal ratio and much much more. Saying that ronaldo is more complete because he a little better at penalties and can jump high isn't enough to be complete lol.
"Messi would flop in the prem"
Probably the worst of the bunch. "Messi would flop in the Premier League" is an extremely flawed argument because it's completely based on a guess. Is it factual, has it happened? No.
So, how can we, at least, come close to putting this theory to the test? We can take a look at Messi's performances against English sides in the Champions League.
MESSI'S UCL GOALS AGAINST PREMIER LEAGUE SIDES:
20 in 28 (0.72).
9 Goals vs Arsenal;
6 Goals vs Manchester City;
3 Goals vs Chelsea;
2 Goals vs Manchester United.
Let's see how many goals Cristiano, who has spent quite a while in England, has scored against these teams.
CRISTIANO'S GOALS AGAINST SELECTED ENGLISH TEAMS (ALL COMPS):
5 vs Arsenal, 5 vs Manchester City, 2 vs Manchester United, 1 vs Chelsea.
See the difference? And even then messi has gone past 3 players or more while scoring these goals which showes that he defiently can take the premier league.
atleast read what my last reply said. because i already debunked almost all of these
+1
Exactly arguing with this guy, is a waste of time.
"He is still oblivious to the fact Ronaldo played as a winger when he was at man u and sporting, heavily impacting his numbers."
I mentioned this point several times, but he didn't got my point and he continued his irrational speech, so I decided not to continue the discussion. really waste of time
easily, dk what is to laugh here
absolutely dominated CL with Real Madrid 9 semis in a row, dominated La liga with an unmotivated team which lost mostly to minnows of league, won Euros and nations league.
Played as a midfielder for Utd and then as a traditional winger and then more as a goalscorer.
He didn't stop after injury in 2014 which really regressed his abilities. Proved himself in top 3 leagues of Europe, contender for golden boot at the age of 35 with a really poor team.
Zidane is also there because he has won UCL, league titles in 2 countries,Euros,ballon d'or,fifa best,etc while being midfielder.
I am not sure who to listen to. 80% of well established footballers, ex-footballers, analysts, managers, commentators or "30mple_s4mple_NukeG0Ds0mple" on HLTV.org. Messi is the GOAT , and if you can't see it then you don't have common sense or are bias towards him.
you listen to 80% of well established footballers.
They don't even watch 10% of his or other player's games. I've seen analysts praising him and analyzing games while being clueless.
Go check ESPN FC on youtube and their takes lmao. When I started watching football as a kid, I had better takes than them.
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Messi has carried every team he plays for, doesn't matter if its NT or barca and saying that ronaldo carries them more while he has worse stats both goal wise and assist wise just isn't true.
"has carried every team he plays for", only 2 team (Barca and Argentina) lol
Ronaldo started playing in Sporting and made moves throughout the whole europe
Needed to addapt to different teams and leagues
Started playing in United as a Midfilder.
Won 3 champions league in a row, all of them was a beast, not like messi that won 1 champions league in 8 years.
Came to italy which is the league that has a playstyle of defense. It's really hard to score against italy teams and many PRO and EX-PRO already said that.
Is the top goalscorer for Portugal and has the record of the most INTERNATIONAL goals scored in a calendar year.
The first player to score on 10 consecutive international tournaments
i wont keep going because i dont really need to.
ah and btw, Ronaldo is more decisive when the team needs him (all the comebacks he made can prove that)
cya and have fun supporting a bottler
I am mainly talking about people like Linker, Wright, Keane, Carragher, Ferdinand, Wenger, Gaurdialo etc. msot americans will always have bad takes on football
Carlsen and Mayweather swoop the floor with those
Carlsen
flag checks out
and yeah mayweather good but mohammad ali had much better opponents.
nt kuroky 1 ti ana 2 ti
JerAx GOAT
Burning in 2020 KEKW, Puppey is major choker nowdays
probably only kuroky or n0tail maybe GOAT candidate above ana, but they way ana plays and the way he wins is just too good.
all time dota 2 then its either one of kuroky notail or ana.
just plays like a god, its like s1mple but with actual achievements and not choking
there are wayyy more better chinese players than burning too, he isnt even top 3 greatest in china, i can say somnus, fy, xiao8 exceeds burning
Sylar > Ana
Dendi > Ana
Arteezy > Ana
Dota goat is definitely n0tail. 2 TI champion, 4 valve major (4 out of 5)
goat of csgo: Nicolai “device” Reedtz
-1 0 top1
olof only 1 major mvp and 2 majors, device 2 major mvps and 4 majors
olof washed up, device will be top 5 again this year
nt
olof 1top1 dev3ce 0 lmao
olof 2 majors elige 0
olof true goat
lmfao.
crosby > gretzky
f0rest > zywoo
others mb ok
+1
football, even tho messi is a bit better u have to put both him and ronaldo.
tennis without a doubt has 3 "goat" candidates and i think all of them should be allways there.
csgo isnt a sport brother and zywoo needs 2-3 more years. I'd probably put device, but at the end of the game it will probably be zywoo or simple bcs both of them will stay in the top more than device.
FUCK YOU OVECHKIN BEST!!!!!!!
Who the fuck is Novak Djokovic? Björn Borg is the GOAT of tennis.
OVECHKIN, KASPAROV, EMELIANENKO, S1MPLE!
don't know who fedor emelianenko is but he looks like a typical russian alcoholic
SHUT UP JERMAN
imagine looking like this
i.imgur.com/WDnTqFe.jpg
axaxaxaxaxax
ITS LOOK OF REAL MAN!
You are so smart
Football - s1mple
Tennis - s1mple
F1 - s1mple
MMA - s1mple
Boxing - s1mple
Ice hockey - s1mple
Baseball - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
Swimming - s1mple
Sprint - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
CS:GO - s1mple
League of Legends - s1mple
Dota 2 - s1mple
Chess - s1mple
Golf - s1mpleFootball - s1mple
Tennis - s1mple
F1 - s1mple
MMA - s1mple
Boxing - s1mple
Ice hockey - s1mple
Baseball - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
Swimming - s1mple
Sprint - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
CS:GO - s1mple
League of Legends - s1mple
Dota 2 - s1mple
Chess - s1mple
Golf - s1mple
+1
Tenis-federer
Mma-GSP
Csgo-Simple
Chess-magnus
Football - Lionel Messi no doubt
Tennis - Roger Federer (what a silly question)
F1 - Michael Schumacher
MMA - idk gustafsson the mauler
Boxing - Money Mayweather
Ice hockey - idk trash sport
Baseball - idk trash sport
Handegg - idk trash sport Tom Brady i guess
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
Basketball - Michael Jordan
CS - f0rest of course. CSGO - dev1ce
League of Legends - faker is the goat of all esports of course
Dota 2 - idk trash game?
Chess - Magnus Carlsen obviously
Golf - Tiger Woods
-1 device 0 top1 how can be goat
Won everything
football - snax
pubg - byali
powerlifting - pasha
chess - taz
cs 1.6 - neo
pasha at the gym
snax in the kitchen
taz in the toilet
neo at the park
byali in the pc
es someone write this nadsport
Football - Cristiano Ronaldo
Tennis - Novak Djokovic
F1 - Michael Schumacher
MMA - Khabib
Boxing - Mike Tyson
Ice hockey - idk
Baseball - idk
Handegg - finally someone calls it by its name
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt Handegg - Tom Brady
CS:GO - P1mple
League of Legends - Faker
Dota 2 - who
Chess - moistcr1tikal
Golf - Tiger Woods
flag
ez 4 rolando
The central sulcus, or fissure of Rolando, separates the frontal and parietal lobes, and the deeper lateral sulcus, or fissure of Sylvius, forms the boundary between the temporal lobe and the frontal and parietal lobes
yes i also watched dr house
peoples who say that Magnus is goat........ LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
ahahahahaha +1
good in computer era when no one cares to solve puzzles, everyone just uses computers
lmao just need good memory palace to be magnus in this era.
Football - Karim benzema
Tennis - Artem bahmet
F1 - lando norris
MMA - Frank "Twinkle Toes" Trigg
Boxing - peter Buckley
Ice hockey - your mom
Baseball - your mom
Handegg - your mom
Swimming - DOLPHENS
Sprint - black guy when cops are shooting
Handegg - yo momma
CS:GO - Ocean
League of Legends - Yo mam
Dota 2 - yo mom
Chess - Alexander Pichushkin
Golf - yo mom
Basketball- Salah Mejri
Prost > Schumacher
lmao nt
Bahahah Schumacher a dirty cheat with the best cars
imagine thinking prost didnt cheated
Learn what cheating is
If we are talking about rivalry, we have to talk about that of Ayrton Senna and Alain Prost. Heading into the Japanese GP in 1989, Prost had been vocal about his dislike of Senna’s tactics on the track. At the ’89 race at Suzuka, Prost turned his car into Senna’s on the first turn, taking them both out. Senna was able to recover and rejoin the race but was disqualified later, leading him to believe there was a conspiracy to make Prost champion. In 1990, Senna got his revenge on the same track at the same spot. All Senna had to do to get the title was ensure he wasn’t outscored by his now-Ferrari driving adversary. Heading into the first corner, the Brazilian ensured Prost would be unable to finish the race by running into him. Many questioned what had happened after seeing Senna drive straight into Prost’s car. Senna merely wrote it off as a normal racing incident.
" zywoo "
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olof cs go
agreed with ali
no djokovic better
djokovic still young
I won't argue with the fact that Djokovic could potentially overtake Rogers grandslams. But Nadal and Djokovic are 2 baseline warriors, whereas Federer doesn't play the percentage game but tries to be agressive at all times. Its a shame he changed his racket so late in his carriere else he wouldve had alot more grand slams
So delusional. So anyone who is a dumb and aggressive ball basher with OP serve and constant braindead serve-and-volley tactic is better than baseline players ? Lmao, sorry but Nadal is already greater than Roger, Novak is on his way.
The guy you mentioned is literally scared to play a normal game versus him and has to rely on his weakness to win. Not to mention Nadal has become a piece of cake for Roger since he changed his racket. Nadal is just a baseline warrior that relies heavily on his opponents to make mistakes and plays the ''percentage'' game. boring
The only edge Nadal has over Roger is that he used to have the mental edge. But that is because Nadal is a defensive player so it's easier to control the rally until the more agressive player has to go for his shots(used to be backhand usually against Nadal) and we all know Federers backhand wasnt a good before he changed his racket.
I have yet to see more retarded and braindead comment about both Novak and Nadal.
Normal game ? Wtf you talking about. He literally annihilated your aGgReSiVe sTyLe fRaUdErEr last year in Wimbledon lmao, choking 40-15 hahahaha.
Oh yeah inability to continue a baseline war and forcing to go to the net is aggressive and entertaining. You know nothing about tennis. Changing racket changed everything. That’s how I know you never watched a single game of tennis. Nadal is not a defensive player, and neither is Novak. The same delusional narrative from fraudtards.
He changed his racket so much he choked 40-15 to win Wimbledon and Djokovic wasn’t even 60% that final. You are so in denial. How did that final feel ? I see his cHaNgE oF rAcKeT rEaLLy HeLpEd fRaUdErEr huh ?
Frauderer is a weak era specialist getting owned by Novak and Rafa his whole career. His style is nothing but braindead serve and volley relying heavily on serve and 2-3 shot rallies. Go watch some shitty Isner-Karlovic match I guess they are more entertaining than any of Nadal-Djokovic matches lmao.
Such a bad response, damn. Mentioning Isner and Karlovic in the same sentence as Federer.
Nadal and Djokovic are good players, but just not as good as Federer as he performs magic with his racket.
Djokovic used to be a piece of cake for Roger aswell, until he got his back injuries and obviously there's an age difference aswell. the choke at Wimbledon was painful, but everyone knows Federer was the better player by far. He destroyed Nadal there for fun as he shouldve done most of the times in his carriere.
These guys heaveily relied on Federers weaker backhand as he plays a single handed backhand which is harder to play than a 2handed backhand like Nadal and Djokovic.
Anyway I don't even care about Nadal and Djokovic in the first place :D so im done with this nonsense
Nonsense is your denial and delusion.
PeRfOrMs MaGiC
Definitely not weak era specialist lmao.
He used to be a piece of cake when’s he was young and had a shitty diet. Once he went gluten free, Frauderer only got Ls from Novak with some exceptions. Novak owns him every way possible, both mentally and on court. Novak along with Rafa are the biggest tacticians on the court. They play chess on a tennis court. Since 2010 Frauderer is a piece of cake for both Nadal and Djokovic.
Better player in Wimbledon ? Yeah I see, that’s why he took the fattest L of his “carrierre” ? I love hypocrisy and delusion of Fedtards.
>destroyed Nadal
>got breadsticked
It’s funny how a month earlier Nadal didn’t even give a set up on FO against RF, but Frauderer did give up a set against Nadal in Wimbledon. Sums up a lot.
Should have picked 2HBH, who tf here to blame that his OHBH is this weak lmao ?
Yeah you don’t care about them, but they live rent free in your ignorant and casual head :)
Federers back injury started @ 2010 and RG was way too windy last year to give a good judgement, not to mention Roger had a winstreak of 5 or 6 against Nadal before the tournament :-D anyway, fact that you see tennis as a chess match is next level insanity. Federer is obviously the more skillful player than both of them combined, but im done now with this
Oh yeah injury excuse in. Way too windy but both played under the same conditions :)
Yeah and Nadal still leads in H2H both overall and in Grand slams :-D
Fact that you see tennis as some sort of magic is next level insanity. I know you enjoy some braindead ball bashing with serve and volley in between. That’s more interesting for fedtards.
Both Nadal and Djokovic are more skillful than him. H2h proves it and the fact they are about to break every single record of his whilst being 5/6 years younger.
There is some educating for you, casual.
Still makes me laugh you responded a week later and still think this braindead ballbashing serve and volleyer that padded his stats during weak era is better than Nadal and Djokovic :)
Still makes me laugh you said “iM dOnE WiTh yOuR nOnSeNsE” 3 replies ago and still replying to me. Happens when deep in your heart you know Nadal and Djokovic are far superior players :)
When they are about to break every record frauderer padded when he was beating Baghdatis and Hewitt, his fangirls come down to “hE hAs a BeTtEr sTYLe”
Yeah I’m always excited watching frauderer and his servebot style. I guess it’s very exciting watching one guy serving aces out lmao
0/8
Pete Sampras/Federer I can't decide
but Serena is easily goat. Please don't debate on this. She deserves to be there.
no one said tennis male tbf and so she is most dominant easily.
and maybe Federer is a lot better than sampras in trophies but I like sampras' style a lot more than anyone. He was so precise, and he backhand was gold.
Though watched him in highlights only.
youtube.com/watch?v=28iBHDBmIg0
Let us enjoy how Tennis is suppose to be played again :)
watched this game live
he's just too good
youtu.be/QA3aYQ7jKgI
youtu.be/4iTiRvk4FHY
Let us enjoy how Tennis is supposed to be played again :)
+1 she got rekt by a 203 rd man
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Sexe..
mahomeboy will be goat
mahomeboy best wtf
so who is ur goat
mahomes will be better
far too early to say that he currently seems to be a great Talent but ultimately he would have to win 6 more Superbowl's to be unanimously declared the Goat when i get asked when did i think Tom Brady became the Goat i always say Superbowl 51 that was when he finally broke the Tie With Joe Montana for Superbowl's and the way he did it truly sealed his place as Goat
+11111
Ferguson wont even get a chance to fight khabib from getting all that brain damage
I dont know, football players are cry babies. They get tap and flop on the ground and even the guy who tapped them falls on the ground crying. In hockey a guy could catch a puck at 70-90mph in the face lose some teeth and not miss his next shift.
I agree on Baskets, i am a fan of them. Useful for storing things etc.
They are not crying they are want to see Red card lol
Football - Pele
Tennis - Federer
F1 - Schumacher or Lauda
MMA - Georges Saint-Pierre
Boxing - Muhammad Ali
Ice hockey - I wanna say Maurice Richard but its pretty unanimously Wayne Gretzky
Baseball - Babe Ruth
Handegg (LMFAO) - Tom Brady
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
CS:GO - Olofmeister
Chess - Carlsen
Golf - Tiger Woods
CR7 > Messi
kkkkk zywhale
federer >
imo
and luckmilton is on his way to overthrone schumi
> zywho greatest of all time
> became known in 2019
Nadal? So biased
Federer is the GOAT for now without any doubt but when the entire BIG 3 retires Nole will be the GOAT since he'll end up with most Grand Slams, better h2h, more weeks at no1 and pretty much every record will go to Nole.Anyway Federer will still be the GOAT in 80% of tennis fans, the most lovely tennis player of all time no doubt.
Nadal is 100% greater than Frauderer lmao. 80% of tennis fans are delusional fraudtards same goes with the media. And Nadal owns him in every way possible. 0/8
Senna? really?
I read handegg twice
so unexpected to see zywoo in this list
+forest
-zywoo
Hammilton > Schumacher
0/8
List of mistakes you made (corrected)
Football - Cristiano Ronaldo
Tennis - Roger Federer
CS:GO - Nicolai "device" Reedtz
Chess - Magnus Carlsen
Maraton: pheidippides
Cameron Smith is the GOAT of rugby league, as much as it pains me to say.
Already know this list is a bait by Zywoo
Football - Maradona
Tennis - Federer
F1 - Michael Schumacher
Boxing - Mike Tyson
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
Counter-Strike - Patrick "f0rest" Lindberg (by far)
League of Legends - Darien, Diamondprox, Alex Ich, Genja, Gosu Pepper (Genja for me)
Golf - Tiger Woods
Football - Pele/ronaldinho
Tennis - Serena williams
MMA: Anderson silva
F1 - Lewis Hamilton
Boxing - Ali/floyyd
Sprint - Usain Bolt
Basketball: Jordan
Golf: Tiger woods
NFL: jerry rice
He will be by the end of the season lol
Statistically he will
OMG I CAN'T. I made an account just to to say these things. Ana as the goat of dota? WTF? Hes not even the best pos 1 player. I think arteezy is the best pos 1 but im just an eg fan boy. I can name 5 players better. New Heads( Sumail Topson Arteezy) Old Head(s4 Dendi Puppey Notail). And Also i dont wanna se shit about "LEBRONS THE GOAT" Hes Heat VS Mavs series says enough. And as for chess... Magnus the GOAT. It seems that no one can even come close to beating him at anything. He is the blitz champ and the Chess World Grandmaster. And as for football(The real football) Mahomes will be the GOAT once his career is all said and done but for now Tom Brady is the GOAT.
The true and only legend of mma is Royce Gracie.
Football - s1mple
Tennis - s1mple
F1 - s1mple
MMA - s1mple
Boxing - s1mple
Ice hockey - s1mple
Baseball - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
Swimming - s1mple
Sprint - s1mple
Handegg - s1mple
CS:GO - s1mple
League of Legends - s1mple
Dota 2 - s1mple
Chess - s1mple
Golf - s1mple
Obvious truth
Football - PASHANOJ
Tennis - PASHANOJ
F1 - PASHANOJ
MMA - PASHANOJ
Boxing - PASHANOJ
Ice hockey - PASHANOJ
Baseball - PASHANOJ
Handegg - PASHANOJ
Swimming - PASHANOJ
Sprint - PASHANOJ
Handegg - PASHANOJ
CS:GO - OCEAN
League of Legends - PASHANOJ
Dota 2 - PASHANOJ
Chess - PASHANOJ
Golf - PASHANOJ
How the fuck you able to find time to watch all of these sports and decide who is the best one?
CSGO - Device
LOL - Faker
DOTA - agree with ana but n0tail also a good choice
CS:GO - Mathieu "ZywOo" Herbaut
oMegALuL
Football - Lionel Messi
NFL - Tom Brady
Basketball - Michael Jordan
Tennis - Roger Federer
NHL - Alexander Ovechkin
CS:GO - s1mple
Golf - Tiget Woods
F1 - Lewis Hamilton
UFC - Connor McGregor THE GREATEST
hahhaha conor mcgregor stfu cusual
i've never even heard of lionel messi
edit: turns out he's a soccer player and not a football player, get your facts straight
Football - Pelé
Tennis - Roger Federer
F1 - Ayrton Senna
MMA - Jon Jones / Khabib
Boxing - Mike Tyson
Ice hockey - Wayne Gretzky
Baseball - Babe Ruth
Handegg - Tom Brady
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
Handegg - Tom Brady
CS:GO - that's a tough one
Chess - Bobby Fischer
Golf - Tiger Woods
My opinion !!!!!!
zwyoo ??? how the fuck you goat him ?
How can Zywoo get goat? He has nowhere near the longevity over s1mple . Tennis GOAT is UNDOUBTEDLY Roger Federer. You clearly have never watched tennis in your life because anyone with any semblance of knowledge in tennis knows its federer. Chess IMO is Bobby Fischer but its pretty close between Carlsen, Kasparov and Fischer.
federer goat
/close
messi nice joke xDDD
messi fucking bot, even worse than simple in cs
truth hurts, i know
dosia goat of all sports
/closed
CS:GO - Mathieu "ZywOo" Herbaut kakakkakakakakakk
Chess - Garry Kasparov
Football - Lionel Messi
and why does he say "goat of every sport" and then adds cs go and league
federer*
Federer goat
Bobby Fischer is more of a legend than Gary Kasporov, also It's Fed who is GOAT idk why u put novak unless u wanna be different and cool.
zywoo the goat? You make me laugh real hard.
Calling goat a player that in his entire career hasn't even won a tier 1 event.
Not to mention that he hasn't shown not even 1% of the longevity and consistency of a true goat canditate like f0rest,NEO,s1mple,coldzera and niko!
This player has to prove real hard and to play at a extremely good level for at least 2 more years to at least be considered a potential candidate for the goat status.
Stopped at pessi
Football - Cristiano Ronaldo
Tennis - Roger Federer
F1 - Michael Schumacher
MMA - Conor McGregor
Boxing - Mohammad Ali
Handegg - Tom Brady
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
CS:GO - p1mple
League of Legends - Lee "Faker" Sang-hyeok
Chess - Garry Kasparov
Golf - Tiger Woods
there's no way zywoo qualifies as goat rn
noooo fucking way
federer mens))
Ferguson already lost to justin
no
F1- Lewis Hamilton the blessed one
Football - Lionel Messi
Tennis - Roger Federer
F1 - Michael Schumacher
MMA - Fedor Emelianenko (will be Khabib if he has the balls to fight Ferguson and beats him)
Boxing - Iron mike tyson
Ice hockey - Who Cares
Baseball -Kobe
Handegg - Who is Caring?
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Sprint - Usain Bolt
CS:GO - Oliksander S1mple or f0rest
League of Legends - probably a virging chinnese kid
Dota 2 - Gaben
Chess - Garry Kasparov
Golf - Tiger Woods
"CS:GO - Mathieu "ZywOo" Herbaut"
bait ^
Zywoo has had 1 year, it would be an insult to the entire community to say he is the greatest of all time, he could become the greatest of all time but hes still a rookie
Once again I'll reiterate: It's impossible to label just one person a "GOAT"/"BOAT" because it would be impractical and improbable to determine just one contender due to the amount of variables needed. Bearing in mind in certain circumstances it may be possible but 99% of the time there can only be contenders for the role, not a guaranteed person indefinitely.
Stop making topics asking for peoples opinions and then simultaneously putting "GOAT"/"BOAT" in the same basket - it's counter-intuitive, will onlt create arguments and there will never be a 100% fair discussion involved.
Have a good day.
Strongman - MARIUSZ PUDZIANOWSKI
Counter Strike goat - f0rest
cs16 goat - neo
csgo goat - olofmeister
league of legends - faker
F1 - Ayrton Senna
Football - Pele
Volleyball - Giba
Handball - Nikola Karabatic
Tennis - Rafa Nadal
Boxing - Muhammad Ali
Ice Hockey - Gretzky
Sprint - Usain Bolt
Basketball - Michael Jordan
Chess - Mihail Tal
Swimming - Michael Phelps
Snooker - Stephen Hendry
Cycling - Eddy Merckx
Ski Jumping - ADAM MALYSZ
motoGP - Valentino Rossi
dota2 - ceb
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