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JAMPPI: The Return of the King
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Finland the_one_who_baits 
There's an update on the Jamppi vs Valve case! reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/ho.. The gist of it is that Jamppi doesn't appear to have sued the wrong company like previously thought.
2020-07-10 10:09
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Some key points: "Now Olkkonen is only demanding the lifting of the VAC ban on the gaming account and compensation of 228,092 euros (instead of € 268,092)" "In the application for precautionary measures, Olkkonen demands that the District Court of Eastern Uusimaa order Valve to lift the VAC ban on the old gaming account on the basis of a penalty payment of EUR 100,000 until the matter has been finally resolved." "The reply also states that Valve GmbH (the company the community and Valve dismissed as the "wrong" Valve for Jamppi's legal case) had previously confirmed that it was concerned/participant when Olkkonen sought a solution to the dispute through the European Commission's online dispute resolution. Valve GmbH has also registered as a trader in the Steam service subscription agreement. Valve Corporation also wholly owns Valve GmbH. In addition to the points already mentioned, the reply states that the companies share the e-mail address legal@valvesoftware.com." "VALVE's next deadline is Wednesday 15.7."
2020-07-10 10:15
Valve still rekt him. now he first needs to win a lawsuit over what type of dispute and jurisdiction this is to get to his actual lawsuit. plus it's still low IQ, IF it's consumer dispute AND he wins then he gets the €15 he paid for the game back. no obligation for valve to let him play at the major as it doesn't say anywhere that you have the right to play there when you buy the game.
2020-07-10 13:41
Also they have to pay all the losses from preventing him participating major qualifiers etc.
2020-07-10 14:24
lol no. show me the law that says that you have the right to play at the csgo major
2020-07-10 14:26
It's not about right to play at the csgo major but the prohibition to play at the csgo major. Not sure if you acting stupid or actually are.
2020-07-10 14:27
if you don't have the right to do something then a private company isn't forced to give it to you. and you are calling other people stupid.... also flag checks out
2020-07-10 14:49
Because you don't realize how much logic your "arguments" lack.
2020-07-11 17:43
nah, it makes perfect sense and it's how the real world works but finland flag mad
2020-07-11 17:52
"mad". It makes sense that you take to heart online discussions since you are replying days old subject within minutes or even within seconds. Sorry that your poor provoke doesn't work onto grown ups.
2020-07-11 17:54
you are the one that responded to this like a day later lol
2020-07-11 17:56
Exactly. You gotta get out for once a while. I got other stuff to do than lurk on HLTV forum all day long like you.
2020-07-11 17:58
Replay needs to have actual content
2020-07-11 18:18
Its not about major mate. They say he gets compensation cuz he couldnt get on the team (OG offered him then cancelled) just because of the vac not anything else and they demand € and vac lift which allows him playing major
2020-07-11 18:10
yeah but they specifically argue that's because a vac bans prevents you from playing at the major.
2020-07-11 18:18
I really hope you're baiting
2020-07-11 21:11
he's not. he has been arguing against this like it's his job to defend valve anyway. i had this exact conversation with him months ago, but he still didn't get it. he then went on a rant about how majors are private events and valve can decide who to let in. it was at that point that i figured out he actually doesn't understand what a public or a private event is. a private event is a wedding, a company meet or a summit for world leaders, where everyone is invited. a major.. with seating for 10000 people is not a private event. it is a public event. after i tell him the legal difference of a private & a public event he no longer argued back to me.
2020-07-17 11:55
its a private event, valve are the ones who chose who to invite, they have no obligation to invite anyone, if ur arguement is true you can also try suing valve for not inviting you just because you own the game since they are a private company who arrange the tournament themselves they are the ones to chose who they want to attend it
2020-07-17 12:43
nope, the major is not a private event. it's a huge public event with tickets being sold openly to thousands of people. it is also heavily sponsored by other bigger firms. participating in the activity itself is not what private means. it's not the way how this the word private event is used. and oh, if we start speaking figuratively, then technically everyone already has access to the major. your game is your ticket, but valve has decided, that if you break the rules, any ticket you buy in the future is invalid. that's what this is about for jamppi. it's a huge injustice for someone so young to have all his potential neglected in such a fashion. and again i repeat myself. the major is a public event. username toastedgiraffe has been saying it is a private event for probably years, but he doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. after i explained the legal difference of a private and a public event he just shut up permanently.
2020-07-18 12:14
You need a reality check bud.
2020-07-11 18:21
imagine thinking companies are forced to use someone for their marketing and then telling other people they need a reality check. are you 12 years old or something?
2020-07-11 18:22
You need a wakeup call buddy.
2020-07-11 18:36
okay, very nice of you to be so concerned about me
2020-07-11 18:39
you should listen to all these people, they are right and your logic/arguments are terrible.
2020-07-11 20:51
"listen to those people that have no arguments" okay
2020-07-11 20:54
ye go on, continue disregarding that 100/100 people disagree with you and are telling you how flawed your logic is. Tell yourself that every single person is wrong except for you. I can tell you are that type already :) not wasting more time on a low iq uneducated ignorant teen. Bye now
2020-07-11 20:56
+10
2020-07-11 20:57
so do you actually have any arguments? also most people agree that jamppi and his lawsuit are a joke. even on hltv
2020-07-11 21:04
I think the only thing that most people agree on here is that you are a joke. byyyyyye
2020-07-11 21:06
so basically are just mad and crying...
2020-07-11 21:07
ahh you finally realised it, good for you mate. So many people tried to tell you how mad and crybaby you sounded like but you finally get it! Glad you came to your senses buddy :) cya
2020-07-11 21:08
no u
2020-07-11 21:18
#384
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Moldova shawww
toasted brain checks out
2020-07-17 12:39
go to #371 toastedgiraffe is without a doubt one of the worst people on hltv. he will not understand your arguments--- i made a perfectly sensible argument to him some months ago about this, but he just repeated the same old mantra of "valve is a private company" they can do whatever they want. he doesn't understand that at the point e-sports professionals were no longer considered jobless by their respective countries, the ball was no longer in valve's court. they have legal protection too, breaking one contract while you're a minor and allegedly the only fault being that you gave away an account to a friend is a very good defense.
2020-07-17 12:00
"Are you 12 years old or something" are you 14 or something. You dont know anything about the law at all and think you are some sort of a genius. Now you are gonna reply to this something so stupid like "Im a lawyer and make 100k per month!!!"
2020-07-17 12:28
#255
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Brazil sakaaa
if it's open for everyone that is registered on the game (valve only stricts banned account and playin on other's account), there's no need for such law. it can even be ruled as discrimination, for some reason. but first, the ban must be removed
2020-07-10 15:21
lol, no. a company isn't forced to hire you for their marketing campaign. and it has nothing to do with discrimination as the rules are the same for everyone
2020-07-10 15:42
Jamppi wasn't anything resembling an employee at the time of the ban, he was a consumer and thus under consumer protection laws.
2020-07-10 15:52
yes, and where does it say that buying the game gives a consumer the right to be part of valve's marketing campaign (the major)?
2020-07-10 16:26
#261
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Brazil sakaaa
it's not valve who's hiring him, it's the org and there is no way valve can deny an org to participate in their events unless they are banned specifically for the fact that the rules are the same for everyone. the only thing valve can do is to maintain the ban. if anything of this specific topic is reviewed, the rest falls apart.
2020-07-10 15:54
we are talking about the major. it's an event to promote the game. and pros get money to play there. they have no legal right to get invited. most other devs are actually far more restrictive and don't let people play at their events if they think the person is e.g. a brand risk.
2020-07-10 16:25
#277
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Brazil sakaaa
i get your point, but you miss the fact that the qualifiers are open for everyone, including non-org teams. the players get paid for imaging rights since valve is using them as a part of the show, but even this is through the ORGs. Like I said, the only thing valve CAN do is maintain the ban, which i think won't be maintained.
2020-07-10 16:30
orgs don't really exist for the major. e.g. major spots are based on players, not orgs. but I don't see how this is relevant anyway. valve can still make rules for players and they have no obligation to let anyone in. also the qualifiers aren't really open for everyone, afaik the rules of the major already apply.
2020-07-10 16:35
#289
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Brazil sakaaa
altough it should, does not work like that. unless valve denies the application of a player based on pre-informed rules (aka the ban), nothing can stop people from applying and denying that might characterize the discrimination possibility i was talking about. i see your point, but this is not based on morals, but legallity
2020-07-10 16:46
where is the discrimination? it's the same rules for everyone. valve can just say that they don't want anyone associated with bans at the major as they think it's bad for their brand. just like nike isn't force to use a player for advertising. e.g. ronaldo is accused of rape but no convinced in a court. even if he was found innocent that doesn't mean he has the right to get hired by nike
2020-07-10 16:51
Nike isn't the one accusing him of rape.
2020-07-10 16:54
which isn't relevant. the woman accusing him of rape isn't forced to hire him either
2020-07-10 17:55
I'm just saying that it's a poor example.
2020-07-11 14:29
the point is that a company isn't forced to hire someone for their marketing.
2020-07-11 14:32
Jamppi doesn't want to get hired by Valve though, he wants to participate in a Valve event that is supposedly open for everyone.
2020-07-11 15:50
playing at the major means you are part of valve's marketing for the game. it's an event to promote the game. why else do you think the major exists? also players and teams get sticker and prize money. and the major isn't open to anyone. valve makes the rules, they can change it whenever they want or stop doing majors at all any time. it doesn't say anywhere that valve is forced to do a major or that you have the right to be a part of it.
2020-07-11 16:08
The Major being a marketing event like pretty much every other sporting event ever is not relevant. CSGO along with the Major cycle is a product provided by Valve and since Jamppi is Valve's customer he's entitled to customer protection.
2020-07-11 19:58
lol, no. you buy the game. you don't buy the right to play at the major. show me where it says anything about the major when you buy the game? you can't. there wasn't even a major when CSGO got released. also most other devs are far more restrictive about pros, e.g. you can't become a pro if you said racist stuff in the past
2020-07-11 20:00
lol, no. Have you ever heard of an Open Qualifier for the Major? Even you are allowed to participate in the Major cycle just by owning a copy of the game. It's about time someone took action against the seemingly absolute power of a developer of an esport.
2020-07-11 20:24
valve creates the rules for the open qualifier. again, show me where is says that you have the right to play there when you buy the game? valve can stop doing majors or change the rules any time. just like there is a rule that vac banned players can't participate. imagine thinking you can force a company to use you for their marketing lol
2020-07-11 20:39
It says so right in the fucking name of the qualifier. lexico.com/en/definition/open Imagine thinking I'm thinking what you seem to think I'm thinking. The bottom line is that Jamppi was a customer who signed a contract which permits Valve to ban him from Majors and by extension from ever having a top tier career for one relatively minor offense at the age of 13. You might think that's reasonable but I certainly don't and there's a chance the court shares my opinion.
2020-07-11 20:49
you are stupid? it doesn't say you have the right to play at the major when you buy the game. how hard is that to understand. seriously, why is does finland have some many low iq autists?
2020-07-11 20:51
m.youtube.com/watch?v=HMqZ2PPOLik Surely the concept of reasonableness also exists in Switzerland? Cuz that's what the whole case boils down to.
2020-07-11 20:55
#294
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Brazil sakaaa
they can't change a rule NOW to judge a past case. the rule states that banned players are not allowed. again, IF the ban is lifted, they can't stop him in any other way. this is not the same case as Ronaldo's at all. again, there's no sponsorship deal (which is based on the ability of the hired to boost POSITIVELY their brand and the definition of this results are solely made by the hiring company)
2020-07-10 16:58
they can do whatever they want. you don't have the right to play at the major. and yes, it's the same. it's marketing. valve isn't forced to hire or use anyone for their marketing. not sure why you are even arguing about this. do you really think a court will rule that companies are FORCED to use someone to promote their products? that would go far beyond valve and jamppi but impact ever company
2020-07-10 17:57
#262
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Brazil sakaaa
adding to this, i think that Jammpii representatives are asking for the ban lift + compensation to further down the road make a deal, withdrawing from the money claim and settling for the ban removal. this is a very common strategy amongst comapnies law suits.
2020-07-10 15:56
That's pretty interesting, thanks for sharing.
2020-07-10 15:59
if anything that makes it less likely. why would valve fall for such a poorly designed lawsuit. then all cheaters are going to sue them for money? no way
2020-07-10 16:27
#281
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Brazil sakaaa
well this is the catch, actually. valve does not want this lawsuit to go through because it might not be up to them to remove the ban. 13 year olds should'nt even be allowed on this game and this is on valve's back. so, considering the small, but yet reasonable chance of them losing, they would create jurisprudence and every banned player would be judged based on this decision. so if it comes to that, it might be a good thing to make a deal befure judges ruling and my guess is that's what jammpii's representative wants.
2020-07-10 16:35
but if they make a deal then everyone else will try too. this isn't a strong case at all. if anything this is more like a poor attempt to bully valve into letting jamppi play. you also have to consider that valve can just delay this for ages. now they are basically fighting over what type of case this is and which jurisdiction applies. that alone can go on for years. does jamppi really have the resources to fight against valve for years?
2020-07-10 16:39
#293
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Ukraine FFF111
anyway it looks like it's the first case of someone trying to lift the ban using the court which is a good thing for the industry IMO
2020-07-10 16:57
No they cant. They will be most likely put on a weekly or monthly penalty fee if they wont do what the court says. Its not USA here and thats why he cant get millions, he can only get what he wouldve got without the discrimination.
2020-07-20 00:25
The company he sued (Valve GmbH) is a German company there is no way a German judge would say that he is entitled to this money since Germany does not even recognize esports as a real sport, it's basically a paid hobby for them
2020-07-10 17:18
Valve GmbH was founded in 2016, but the situation regarding Olkkonen's ban took place in 2015. According to Olkkonen's reply, this is irrelevant because Valve Corporation has transferred matters concerning European customers to its subsidiary. The reply also states that Valve GmbH had previously confirmed that it was concerned/participant when Olkkonen sought a solution to the dispute through the European Commission's online dispute resolution. Valve GmbH has also registered as a trader in the Steam service subscription agreement.
2020-07-11 17:44
very cool
2020-07-11 18:02
#271
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Finland ok_men
ok
2020-07-10 16:25
#330
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Turkey TheKaiser
Yeah but doesn't that point still stand since it's owned by Valve but more like a branch company? I mean, they technically didn't sue right Valve, right?
2020-07-11 18:30
It's a little hard to translate but basically Valve's German branch had already reported themselves as the right Valve for European legal matters along with Jamppi's case. "The reply also states that Valve GmbH had previously confirmed that it was concerned/participant when Olkkonen sought a solution to the dispute through the European Commission's online dispute resolution."
2020-07-12 10:50
#368
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Turkey TheKaiser
Huh, alrighty then.
2020-07-13 15:03
king of jokes
2020-07-10 10:14
#BanS0mple2020
2020-07-10 11:32
cry is free
2020-07-10 12:51
Okay
2020-07-10 12:53
+1
2020-07-10 11:53
Who 🚗
2020-07-10 10:15
#156
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Germany theo_cs
furia fan kkkkkkkkkkk
2020-07-10 12:44
north fan hahahhaha
2020-07-10 14:17
#231
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Germany theo_cs
l o s t ?
2020-07-10 14:21
hi theo
2020-07-10 14:22
#259
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Germany theo_cs
lost ?
2020-07-10 15:49
lel
2020-07-10 16:06
#314
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Germany theo_cs
hi onliners
2020-07-11 16:17
what a kek. noone has the right to play csgo. and if gaben says " i don't want to have people in here who can't follow the ez rules" it is fix. hold the bann of little cheater kiddo
2020-07-10 10:15
You'd think a Jerman would appreciate the idea of a second change.
2020-07-10 10:16
maybe if he had gone to volvo and say " hi, i have a vac banned account who wasn't rly mine. now i want to play it professional. can we do this?" but not if he thinks noone will find his acc and just start playing pro. and than starting to sue valve and get a shit load of money
2020-07-10 10:18
Maybe he didnt know about that? Do you have any sense
2020-07-10 10:19
Maybe he didnt know about that? Do you have any sense
2020-07-10 10:19
Maybe he didnt know about that? Do you have any sense
2020-07-10 10:20
lel. this is an argument?
2020-07-10 10:20
Is your argument valid at all?
2020-07-10 10:22
while i am no decission maker i just tell here my opinion. and the way he started this was wrong.
2020-07-10 10:23
Kinda like germany and WW2
2020-07-10 13:32
yes like that. that's why many of the first class nazis got killed or set in prison.
2020-07-10 13:35
just remember man, you don't know shit about the situation, you only know what he writes, people can and will lie, valve checked and cofirmed he was usung the vac banned account at tht time, and the cheater is letting his lawyer talk for him
2020-07-10 11:28
Lying in court is a crime punishable by imprisonment, FYI.
2020-07-10 11:29
blinded by ignorance and emotions. scum of the earth who cant put his own emotions aside to see a situation from an objective perspective. humans biggest flaw and you are another sucker for it
2020-07-10 12:10
Feels like a bit of a projection but thanks anyway, I'll make sure to put that in my bio.
2020-07-10 12:22
explain how this feels like a projection.
2020-07-10 12:38
Because what you wrote makes very little sense in the context of the comment you replied to.
2020-07-10 12:39
if you are stupid, i guess it dont make much sense. does require you to think just a little bit
2020-07-10 12:40
Feel free to explain yourself mate
2020-07-10 12:45
because of your emotions invested into your fellow countryman you will justify anything to make him look not guilty. finns, big fans and brazilians (edit, on hltv at least) is inbreeded with this logic and it so fking degenerated and destructive to any kind of progressive discussion.
2020-07-10 12:47
When did I say Jamppi wasn't guilty? It's incredibly ironic that the same person who opened the conversation with an off topic rant about bias now wants to have a progressive discussion about the matter.
2020-07-10 12:49
#14 (not you, but the original argument you are defending, a good example of #106) #48 (insinuating that its not possible he lied because its punishable by law, another good example of #106) also you miss every single point that is not directly fed to you. i dont want to have a progressive discussion with someone like you, i can bang my head against the wall right now if i desire. I just wanted to bash you a bit for being mentally incompetent. also its not off topic when im calling you out for supporting him just for being your countryman. wont explain anything more to you. gl
2020-07-10 12:57
#185
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Netherlands Titanos
Tbf, he never said or showed anything of supporting a fellow Fin. You just bashed in here and insulted him for not a single reason. He even said he thinks Jammpi is guilty, he's just posting this article. Who hurt you as a child?
2020-07-10 13:09
That's a big +1
2020-07-10 13:11
#188
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Netherlands Titanos
<3 got your back, kind HLTV user
2020-07-10 13:11
Thanks man <3
2020-07-10 13:22
#7 #48 its not about if he is guilty, everybody knows he is. shows how uninformed you are on the topic. and these two examples are direct indications of him supporting jammpi. everything you wrote is wrong and plain stupid. this is the only reply someone like you will get
2020-07-10 13:13
#106
2020-07-10 13:14
another display of your stupidity. its been proven by valve that it was his account and that cheat was used. so please now show me that im wrong about your intellect and explain how #106 implies to #189
2020-07-10 13:16
I thought it was obvious, I guess not.
2020-07-10 13:22
this is your reply because you cant explain yourself. everybody knows it. ty for proving yourself mentally incapable once again.
2020-07-10 13:24
"[You are] blinded by ignorance and emotions [towards Jamppi/cheaters/Fins]. scum of the earth who cant put his own emotions aside to see [this conversation] from an objective perspective. humans biggest flaw and you are another sucker for it" I'd very much like to believe you're just baiting but your every single comment further suggests that you're in some way mentally disturbed.
2020-07-10 14:21
#194 still avoiding explaining yourself, further proving me right.
2020-07-10 16:17
Please seek professional help.
2020-07-10 16:18
you say all the things an idiot would say trying to distract from the fact you cant even explain yourself.
2020-07-10 16:21
#268
2020-07-10 16:29
you have been here every single second the whole day btw. not even 1 minute delay on your answers throughout 6 hours or so. but ye, you go on and tell me to get help
2020-07-10 16:31
#226
2020-07-10 16:33
gl with your limited mind mate.
2020-07-10 16:36
I hope you'll one day have a moment of lucidity and be able to objectively look at what kind of a person you've become. As everyone else in this thread has already told you how appalling your thoughts are to read I suspect my advice won't make a difference, but I truly believe you could benefit from seeking the services of a psychologist. Have a great weekend! :)
2020-07-10 16:49
by everyone you mean 1 dutch person who couldnt have 1 cohesive thought. and 1 fin who like you couldnt even explain themselves. nice one mate, pretty deluded, but nice one. ill leave you be now. hf chasing the ball like the dog you are
2020-07-10 18:07
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Region_Hovedstad.. I mean everyone bored enough to engage in any form of discussion with someone like you. It might not seem like it now but I really am doing you a favour here. I hope you'll one day be well enough to understand that. Have a good weekend! :)
2020-07-10 18:48
#193
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Netherlands Titanos
Once again, he's just stating facts. Even if he wants Jammpi unbanned, NOTHING here truly shows he wants it because he's a fellow Fin. You're just assuming that to make him look bad. And even, why would you? What did you reach by slamming this door and getting him down? Like, do you feel good now?
2020-07-10 13:15
my god. i guess i explain every little thing for you too. "You'd think a Jerman would appreciate the idea of a second change." this is an example of him saying that because nazi germany got a second chance this german guy should support second chances for either just jammpi or everyone (going real specific for your limited mind now). "Lying in court is a crime punishable by imprisonment, FYI." this is him implying that jammpi did not lie in the court or any statements becuase that is punishable by law. and to touch on the fellow finn thing. i bet you jammpi is the only cheater this guy has ever supported and voiced an unban for. seriously, wont reply to your dumbed down attempt trying to mother this idiot.
2020-07-10 13:23
#199
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Netherlands Titanos
> "You'd think a Jerman would appreciate the idea of a second change." this is an example of him saying that because nazi germany got a second chance this german guy should support second chances for either just jammpi or everyone (going real specific for your limited mind now). Exactly. This guy supports second chances? > "Lying in court is a crime punishable by imprisonment, FYI." this is him implying that jammpi did not lie in the court or any statements becuase that is punishable by law. Which seems a logical truth, why would we assume otherwise? And yeah, I bet you he has ever supported and voiced for Jammpi, because this is a unique case with a lot of attention. Name one other hacker who hacked before the age of 18 who is banned now? Seriously, you need to grow up
2020-07-10 13:27
this guy is guilt trippin a german citizen for being part of nazi germany. he is indirectly saying "we forgave you about killing millions of jews and ww2, so you should forgive jammpi" this is the mentality you are supporting. "Which seems a logical truth, why would we assume otherwise?" this says enough about your actual knowledge of the world. everyfuckingbody lies in court. especially if you are guilty and tries to fend of the case you damn moron. all of your 3 "points" was without any substance and yet again filled with flawed logic.
2020-07-10 13:34
#213
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Netherlands Titanos
German cuck baiting him, he baits him back. Don't see a huge problem. And no, not "everyfuckingbody" lies in court. You are extremely pessimistic. Especially not Jammpi, because if he lies in court, they'll find out and he won't go pro either way. I will once again repeat my statement; you are probably a bitter man in a mid-life crisis hating on guys on HLTV. Now tell me, do you feel good now? Do you feel fulfilled? What did you accomplish?
2020-07-10 13:42
how did the german guy bait him, he only stated facts. and yes, every guilty person lies in court. all big companies lie in court. all politicians who are accused for corruption lies in court, every single sport org accused of match fix or financial matters. you dont know anything, your logic is based on plain wrong thinking and lack of experience. you are probably some early twenties sjw. Who goes to the internet to stroke your self justified ego by expressing all of your socially acceptable morals. pathetic
2020-07-10 13:55
#223
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Netherlands Titanos
You know what's pathetic? You bashing in on another individual with your extremely-pessimistic world view, yet never replying to what you accomplished with it. You did jack shit, make yourself look like one of those dumb-ass pessimistic truckers from texas, and showed just how the pinnacle of HLTV "pro argumenters" look like. GJ.
2020-07-10 14:14
everything you say and assume is as wrong as it could be. your world view is manipulated and all your beliefs have been indoctrinated into you.
2020-07-10 16:15
#302
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Netherlands Titanos
sure
2020-07-10 18:18
sorry men u are wrong. i am just baiting
2020-07-10 14:19
#252
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Netherlands Titanos
<3
2020-07-10 15:11
worked great. but know i am finished with "work" nice weekend
2020-07-10 15:13
#254
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Netherlands Titanos
Nice weekend!!
2020-07-10 15:14
#246
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Finland jakem0n
+1
2020-07-10 14:52
#141
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Finland jakem0n
#106
2020-07-10 12:36
+1
2020-07-10 12:37
So are you buddy.
2020-07-10 13:32
can you explain how so, the last finn said the same but couldnt explain himself? you are proving my point right by commenting on it, but you are too stupid to realize it haha.
2020-07-10 13:35
you cant explain yourself. just throwing random shit out like your fellow fin. the level of incompetence in hltv fins is incredible
2020-07-10 13:57
Please seek professional help.
2020-07-10 14:17
I was legit not on hltv for all of that night it was friday ffs, hope you can get over this phase you got going on 👍
2020-07-11 11:14
dude that's like saying people never steal because it's illegal
2020-07-10 15:04
valve checked and cofirmed he was usung the vac banned account at tht time and how would you know that lmao
2020-07-10 12:23
There is good saying in my country about law. "ignorance does not excuse you" Same goes for jampii who WASNT little kid when he started to go pro, i dont necessarily agree with the banning of 13yo but Jamppi fucked up on his own when he was 16 (you should be responsible at that age) so he brought this up on himself.
2020-07-10 14:56
+1
2020-07-10 10:20
He literally went to Valve and asked for an unban. Jamppi only started the legal process after Valve ignored his messages.
2020-07-10 11:18
you know the storry of luckerr? big wanted to test him. so their manager, lenz, talked to valve about his ban. 2 weeks later ther was no more vac and he could be testet. in this time big wasn't really a thing. if such a nonamer could be unbanned in 2 weeks by a t4 orga why the hell jampi couldn't go this way?
2020-07-10 11:21
Irrelevant?
2020-07-10 11:22
no!
2020-07-10 11:22
It is though, Valve's inconsistency doesn't prove Jamppi never asked for an unban.
2020-07-10 11:27
maybe he asked. but like i said ther should be a orga standing behind him and support.
2020-07-10 11:37
That's what ENCE is supposedly doing for Jamppi, though I have no idea what it means in practice.
2020-07-10 11:39
People still dont get that xD especially lil finnish supporters. Btw he wants now the ban lifted, what a fucking joker 🤡
2020-07-10 10:18
lmao, this thread once again proove the point that fins are so fking delusional
2020-07-10 11:03
Not all of them, just jonpi white knights
2020-07-10 11:11
>finland 🏳️‍🌈👧🧒👳🏾‍♂️🧕🏿🏳️‍🌈 >white knights 👩🏻‍🦳👨🏻‍🦳 choose
2020-07-10 11:27
Oof i guess i pick both
2020-07-10 11:43
What a shit take, I bet you're a very smart person.
2020-07-10 11:24
That is a bet You'd lose, just like jonpi will lose his "case". Xaxaxaxaxa
2020-07-10 11:23
Xaxaxa he thought you're smart. Made my day
2020-07-10 11:44
Ye he edited his message mens but i'm not bothered to edit mine so fuck it 🦛🍗
2020-07-10 12:29
Yeah mens))) fuck that
2020-07-10 12:29
what the fuck did i just read
2020-07-10 12:25
Nice edit ))(((
2020-07-10 12:27
mens))
2020-07-10 12:30
Pussi like jonpi afraid of consequences 🦛🤛
2020-07-10 12:35
Fun fact: "Pussi" means "Bag" in Finnish
2020-07-10 12:36
Yes, punching bag
2020-07-10 12:37
Yep, a punching bag of some very unreasonable people.
2020-07-10 12:42
Nt
2020-07-10 12:49
Ty
2020-07-10 15:35
Jk
2020-07-10 17:11
you wrote in autismian
2020-07-10 15:08
Im learning
2020-07-10 17:10
Ok
2020-07-10 13:35
Flag chex out
2020-07-10 13:45
You would like your country to be judged from nazism forever?
2020-07-10 10:18
you can judge my grandfather as a nazi but not me. like i will never call jampis kids cheater...
2020-07-10 10:19
I said your country.
2020-07-10 10:20
how can a country be racist? the people yes. but like i said. most people of this time are dead and judging now all for somthing they didn't do is childish
2020-07-10 10:22
thanks for proving my point
2020-07-10 10:22
#13. nothing prooved
2020-07-10 10:23
People change too... Youre probably not the same person you were when you were 1
2020-07-10 13:36
maybe. but what will happen if every cheatr gets a second chance? why would anybody play legit?
2020-07-10 13:37
valve has no right to keep him from participating in majors if they have no evidence that it was him who cheated. im jamppi has evidence that it was without a doubt not him who cheated, the ban has to be lifted. pretty simple imo
2020-07-10 11:44
noone has the right to play csgo. and even if he can proov he didn't cheat. accountsharing or selling is also against the rules
2020-07-10 11:48
account sharing wouldnt get him banned from majors though and what do you mean by "noone has the right to play csgo"? valve cant deny him participation in the majors if he didnt cheat. on what foundation? if he didnt cheat, valve has to lift the ban i can totally understand his reasoning. its a lot of money we are talking about
2020-07-10 11:50
+1
2020-07-10 11:52
#73
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Brunei cyLoL
They can deny the Access to csgo because account share is against tos and if he not access to csgo he can’t played major
2020-07-10 11:52
i really dont know if a shared account is enough to get him banned from majors. would be stupid imo but please enlighten me if you have source on that
2020-07-10 11:54
#81
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Brunei cyLoL
I’m not say they can ban him from Major but they can take access to csgo on his account away it’s stated in TOS
2020-07-10 11:57
The account is linked to Jamppi's mother via the credit card so is jamppi sharing account or mom? legally mom. or was it dad i dont remember.
2020-07-10 12:07
#105
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Brunei cyLoL
No it’s his name in the account his mom just purchase it, and if you wanna go down that way none of his account his so he account share and can be denied access to csgo still
2020-07-10 12:09
well i dont personally wanna go down any way, just speculating the legal view on this. What name do you mean? I checked my steam account and only reference to my personal self is the credit card. anyway just having a name box where he has written "Jamppi Olkkonen" probably isn't legally standing either for confirming ones identity.
2020-07-10 12:29
#142
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Brunei cyLoL
By email and phone number if he had attached it that would make it his
2020-07-10 12:37
i think you can only link one email to account, about phone i dont know if it is limited? given that he had already another account could he link the new account too to those? anyway even those would not prob count as a legal confirmation of identity. edit: now that im checking my own account i have email that does not have my name in it and no number at all. also this is pure speculation, as we dont know what he has put to his account. maybe time will tell if valves proof comes public.
2020-07-10 12:41
#153
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Brunei cyLoL
True and I’m glad you can have conversation about this and not just be sperg ty men))
2020-07-10 12:42
have a good day mate. Im just sincerely interested about the topic, since I started following scene recently. (and finland mentioned yey "torille")
2020-07-10 12:46
#165
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Brunei cyLoL
Same I think he will loss the lawsuit but I think it will be a small technicality that he won’t be prepared for but if he win it will open a whole new wave of ban players try to unban
2020-07-10 12:50
I'm actually starting to think that Valve will need to start using some hard identification check e.g. credit card or net bank confirmation so that they can legally give lifelong personal bans. At least in some areas.
2020-07-10 12:43
hausrecht und so.... i think it's also a little bit of his behavior why this is such a long term
2020-07-10 11:52
i can see why esports is not registered as "real" sport in germany because of this "hausrecht" but in theory FIFA also "owns" the t1 football. i think there should be some kind of reglement for all kind of esports in europe... didnt think about this for long but seems like a good idea(? :D)
2020-07-10 11:56
look at 99damg league (i know its a joke) but since dsvgo they can't take faceit bans to their league so tey bann them bacause of hausrecht (english word?)
2020-07-10 12:00
but isnst that due to 99dmg not having an own AC? thats why they can ban people because their AGB probably doesnt allow players with faceit bans and how does this compare to jamppi case?
2020-07-10 12:03
#207
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n
CSGO is private property. Valve can control exactly who gets to play and who does it on no basis whatsoever because they own the game.
2020-07-10 13:36
That's not how it works, consumers have rights.
2020-07-10 14:15
#366
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n
The only rights you have are your right to liberty and property. If an alleged right infringes on the right of anyone else, it is not a right but an entitlement. The government may claim that there are "consumer rights" but that's really just the government using violence to coerce businesses into doing things that harm them.
2020-07-12 02:49
the courts in this case might also claim that there's an unjustifiable loss of income to jamppi's party, because of something he allegedly did when he was a minor not even out of primary school. and uh, excuse me.. the government & consumer rights is the only thing keeping companies from being predatory. i'm looking at valve and i am amazed that only benelux countries woke up to the immorality that is loot boxes --- essentially slotmachine gambling for children. they should be banned on an eu-wide area.
2020-07-17 12:07
#403
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n
Jamppi was never entitled to that income. Valve, the company who runs the tournaments that Jamppi wanted to compete in, said he was not allowed to. He does not have a right to compete in Valves tournaments, therefor he has no claim to any price money he could potentially have won. Governments are the only thing allowing corporations to be predatory. If corrupt governments did not stop other companies from entering the market, the consumer would actually have the power to choose which company to do business with. Instead the government fucks over small business with regulation, creating massive corporations like Amazon or Walmart that can do whatever they want because the consumer can't do shit.
2020-07-19 20:07
you are delusional. amazon and walmart still have to operate within the law or they will get fucked. they have the capital to influence law makers, but they are not above the law. the part where you state that governments are the only thing allowing corporations to be predatory is the biggest garbage i have read in a while. if governments (international law) do not regulate companies then we would have companies operating like the good old british east company which are a part of british history that everyone in britain would probably want to forget about. that's what happens when a company is allowed to do as they please. the problem isn't the governments - it's the way modern economic system is built. it's impossible to catch to the runner ups short of inventing inexpensive space travel and mining asteroids. the only thing keeping the general population from being completely fucked is voting in representatives that aren't bought by corporations or having a dictator in charge who isn't solely motivated by personal wealth. and also at this point i am entirely convinced that the u.s. military exists only to ensure that the current global economical order is preserved. idiots who sign up for that military service don't know what they are even fighting for. and back to jamppi. his crime is as bad as stealing a lollipop from a grocery store. it was also seven years ago. tell me now why should they allow s1mple to play at the major, after all he was banned in csgo by esl wire anticheat? are you going to say vAlVe is a pRiVaTe cOmPaNy thEy cAn dO wHaT tHeY wAnT? at this point it doesn't matter what valve thinks or wants. the court will have its say unless valve settles outside of court. the court will most likely tell valve to fuck off and pay up. jamppis's good old defense of "i was a 13 year old idiot" is the best defense they can ever have and considering the court will be european.. there's a semblance of fairness already in that.
2020-07-19 23:51
#406
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n
> they have the capital to influence law makers, but they are not above the law. They are not above the law, they write the law. In a lot of senses, large corporations are the law. >blablabla east india company uneducated flatulence "The company received a Royal Charter from Queen Elizabeth I on 31 December 1600...." Litterarily an example of exactly what i'm talking about. I don't think Jamppi should be banned. But Valve is a private company is exactly what i'm going to say. CSGO is not a democracy. Valve runs it. Valve decides. Why are you so fucking horny for other peoples property? Narcissistic cunt. Not everything is about you. I know it does not matter what Valve thinks, tyrannic government rule will fuck them over anyways and force them to obey by their boots or have their property stolen. It's morally wrong, that's all.
2020-07-20 00:04
>They are not above the law, they write the law. In a lot of senses, large corporations are the law. take off the tinfoil hat. this might happen in some countries, but certainly doesn't happen in all. >"The company received a Royal Charter from Queen Elizabeth I on 31 December 1600...." Litterarily an example of exactly what i'm talking about. it's not the 1600s-1800s. that was just an example i gave of abuse. that was a time of kings and queens. abroad these companies behaved exactly how the worst parody of a cutthroat capitalist would, because there was no supervision. >I don't think Jamppi should be banned. But Valve is a private company is exactly what i'm going to say. CSGO is not a democracy. Valve runs it. Valve decides. companies are not above the law. if the court finds wrongdoing by valve, they will be fined and sentenced. i personally find it dreadful that you would wish for a 13-year old to be punished forever for something so minor as cheating in a matchmaking game. a lot of people have suggested that unbanning jamppi would mean that a lot of convicted cheaters could also appeal, but i don't think that's gonna be the case at all. say kqly or forsaken, both were considered professional players at the time of their bans or at the very least.. playing in professional events and both were adults, so there's very little chance of them returning. >Why are you so fucking horny for other peoples property? Narcissistic cunt. Not everything is about you. horny for other peoples property? actually what i am horny for is that the little guy gets justice. it's unfair to punish minors like this. you don't even understand what narcissism is. i fail to understand how narcissism applies in the context of what i am talking about. (how would it be narcissistic to defend someone when you have perceived an injustice???) >I know it does not matter what Valve thinks, tyrannic government rule will fuck them over anyways and force them to obey by their boots or have their property stolen. It's morally wrong, that's all. tyrannic government rule? what the fuck have you been smoking man. i really hope you're just joking. it's not even the government, it's just that law book that all the companies want to forget exists, so they can sell you all kinds of shit you don't need and shit that breaks in just a few years of usage. i had a washing machine from a bygone era that was about 40 years old. i got it from the mother of my father in law and it was amazing that it was still working. if it wasn't for government regulation these new modern things would be designed to break in a year or two. it was the same thing with printers. just google about hp printer mishaps and maybe you will realize that government regulation is the only way to fight against predatory companies. you can't trust the common man to navigate an unregulated marketplace without getting robbed by a bandit pretending to be a salesperson. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescen..
2020-07-20 00:52
#411
REZ | 
Sweden katt1n
Jesus christ tldr. Take the boot out of your mouth when you speak buddy, maybe then you wont need 10 billion words to get your lack of a point across.
2020-07-20 01:49
it's not my fault you have an extremely short attention span. you have said so many erroneous things that it's starting to take forever to correct you on them. actually i think your entire response is because you have no arguments left. i believe what you've committed now is a fallacy. every paragraph i wrote is separated and has added explanations of why the fuck you're wrong.
2020-07-20 03:38
Btw i dont think it says in TOS that of you get a vac you cant play.. and jamppi got banned before majors were even a thing. Or if not before then from around the time the first major took place
2020-07-10 13:37
vac = no major but that doesnt effect Dreamhack or ESL, only majors. still his opportunities to join teams would be limited because they wouldnt be able to participate in majors and would miss that good good sticker money
2020-07-10 16:31
#BanTheMom
2020-07-10 12:05
Still trying lol wont happen but nt
2020-07-10 10:16
TLDR: Jamppi is claiming its the right company because it handles other stuff for Valve in the EU and is completely owned by Valve. Also both companies share the same email. Also Jamppi is asking for a bit less money than before because of the ENCE signing. Also he wants Valve to remove his ban while the case is being handled as its damaging his career. Valves deadline for an answer is 15.7.
2020-07-10 10:16
Im starting to believe that he will be unbanned
2020-07-10 10:22
#70
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Brunei cyLoL
I not think so he will lost because he cheater and try to blamed friend
2020-07-10 11:51
only jamppi knows what happened
2020-07-10 11:54
#83
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Brunei cyLoL
Jamppi is 18 and he will lied cuz he want to played major can’t trust a cheater
2020-07-10 11:58
#FREEKQLY
2020-07-10 11:58
#89
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Brunei cyLoL
No kqly is cheater men can’t free him he should be ban from internet
2020-07-10 12:00
xdxdxd but at least it turned out good for him
2020-07-10 12:00
#97
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Brunei cyLoL
I guess he cheatered to won major and jump shoot papa
2020-07-10 12:03
Cant trust a cheater? What kind of retarded logic is this, so if i cheat in middle school on a math test then fuck me forever i shouldnt be trusted by anyone ever again?
2020-07-10 13:39
#215
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Brunei cyLoL
Never again , you already prove you cheatered you will do it again
2020-07-10 13:45
he will because the court is placed in finland
2020-07-10 13:26
exactomondo. even if the court was in the european union they would still probably win. the only place where valve has any chances is the united states. that's why they claimed jamppi's lawyer sued the wrong company. they desperately want this to happen in the united states.
2020-07-17 12:10
ty for coming a week late and had same iq as me in this situation appreciate this
2020-07-17 21:19
no problemo mens))
2020-07-18 12:23
#8
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United Kingdom whatacliche
Cry is free
2020-07-10 10:16
Okay
2020-07-10 16:13
tbh this is pretty nice reply from them
2020-07-10 10:18
#FreeJamppi
2020-07-10 10:21
#34
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Brunei cyLoL
Nt 0/8
2020-07-10 11:16
Nt 0/8
2020-07-10 11:35
#54
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Brunei cyLoL
Nt -1/8
2020-07-10 11:37
N × t
2020-07-10 11:48
#67
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Brunei cyLoL
Oh sorry -2/8
2020-07-10 11:49
0/Infinity
2020-07-10 11:51
#77
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Brunei cyLoL
i/8
2020-07-10 11:53
wtf
2020-07-10 11:59
#95
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Brunei cyLoL
Do you not know math ?
2020-07-10 12:02
-i/8
2020-07-10 12:05
#104
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Brunei cyLoL
you are learn I’m proud of you but (i x infinite)/8
2020-07-10 12:07
-i ÷ infinite/8
2020-07-10 12:11
#117
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Brunei cyLoL
Maybe i(-i/infinite)/8 /close
2020-07-10 12:13
i(-i/infinite)/infinite /closed4ever
2020-07-10 12:34
#145
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Brunei cyLoL
i(-i/infinite)/8 /nowclosed4ever No time for people defend cheater
2020-07-10 12:38
I was actually wondering where the whole circus regarding Jamppi went 😂👌
2020-07-10 10:23
Circus back in town
2020-07-10 12:13
#27
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Poland iDRYTOWEL
all these people here hate him etc but tbh winning such case isnt a very big deal if he has some proves and good lawyers he can do it
2020-07-10 10:23
it actually is since it might work as a example case in court for the future, pressing valve to clarify and probably change some things in their operation. valve is not above law after all.
2020-07-10 11:05
bro the game is valve's game ..and them who set the rules..valve is the law ...sueing them is retarded
2020-07-10 11:19
Why would Valve be above customer protection laws?
2020-07-10 11:23
i don't get why you think that company would be above law... its their game yes but they must respect law or they cannot operate in that area.
2020-07-10 11:31
You accept their rules when you register steam and buy games you clown
2020-07-10 12:13
No TOS is above the law, mate.
2020-07-10 12:17
well im sorry but that does not stand in court. xD
2020-07-10 12:19
So If Valve said it's ok to plan real life CP meetings in-game you think it could go on without anyone doing shit? Radical example but you obviously need one.
2020-07-10 12:19
Their rules are perfectly fine with local laws
2020-07-10 12:22
I bet that you have looked into this 👌😎
2020-07-10 12:28
Flag checks out
2020-07-10 12:29
Flag doesn't check out
2020-07-10 14:13
That's a matter for the court. Feel free to prove Jamppi's lawyer wrong though, here's the part of Finnish law we're talking about finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1978/19780038..
2020-07-10 12:30
I don't think Valve has to care about FInnish laws any more than you have care about Kongo laws.
2020-07-10 12:32
Don't they need to abide by Finnish laws if they want to do business in Finland?
2020-07-10 12:33
They do but IDK what laws they are not obeying. Only thing I can see that would make their actions illegal, is if the court rules that the VAC ban was unreasonable. Taking into account that they have stated beforehand that account sharing is prohibited and that getting vacced gives account owner lifetime ban, I don't think law sees the ban as unjustified.
2020-07-10 12:55
The way I see it the whole thing is more about whether it's unreasonable to ban a 14 year old from ever having a top tier career because of a single TOS breach.
2020-07-10 12:58
It's all gucci for valve. We will see what Finnish court can do about it. Personally I don't believe the ban will be lifted but I certainly hope so.
2020-07-10 13:03
Yeah, agreed.
2020-07-10 13:08
the moment when they started to run an e-sport and have professional players actually playing for a job on their platform those players also had the protection of the law. valve is preventing jamppi from practising his occupation and the courts might find favor with jamppi as he was a minor when his alleged vac ban happened. i say alleged, because we really don't know if he just gave away an account to a friend. could have easily happened to any of us.
2020-07-17 12:14
all cheaters should be perma banned
2020-07-10 11:08
#33
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Brunei cyLoL
+1 jamppi should stop cry and accept his fat that lord gaben gave him
2020-07-10 11:15
You're a NAVI fan LMFAO. S1mple has provably cheated in the past so I guess you also want him to get permanently banned?
2020-07-10 11:21
if valve believes he is cheating then ya, if jamppi can prove that he didnt use the account then its ok, but some people are saying to just lift the vac ban which is stupid
2020-07-10 11:40
Why don't I ever see you advocating for s1mple to get permanently banned if that's what you really believe should happen to everyone who has ever cheated?
2020-07-10 11:42
simple cheated in 1.6 not go
2020-07-10 11:59
That's 99% a lie, and even if it wasn't he still cheated.
2020-07-10 12:02
yep he cheated in 1.6 and he got banned from 1.6 valve tournaments that doesn't exist anymore :)
2020-07-10 12:12
nah. it was a cs:go ban. there are archived reddit/hltv threads going back to 2015 that prove it. he claimed back then that it was a 1.6 ban, but his claim was debunked.
2020-07-17 12:15
Look at #31, he's clearly advocating
2020-07-10 11:59
Weird that he would be a fan of a team that is build around someone he wants banned for life.
2020-07-10 12:07
Some people are indeed weird
2020-07-10 12:11
Indeed.
2020-07-10 12:12
the key word here is ''probably''
2020-07-10 12:59
I said "provably" though
2020-07-10 13:01
that's what Im talking about u inbreed. Probably /=/ definitely
2020-07-10 13:01
2020-07-10 13:03
but he's not vac banned???? not caught not a thief (I know it's retarded but what can we do lmao)
2020-07-10 13:04
He got caught cheating, just like Jamppi did. Only a hypocrite would want Jamppi to get permanently banned from Majors but not want s1mple to also get banned.
2020-07-10 13:05
First of all, I didn't say that I want Jamppi to get banned forever from majors. Just saying that VAC ban in this case makes sense, not a ban from some third-rate sites. Valve don't give a shit unless u get a VAC ban on your account. Personally, I really want to trust Jamppi's words, but when Valve are saying that he used his account right before VAC ban, it's really hard to.
2020-07-10 13:08
Oh sure
2020-07-10 13:10
Let's see if the legal process will make them reveal their data on this.
2020-07-10 14:33
Provably /=/ probably u inbreed
2020-07-11 18:00
rude mens, sorry I am struggling with understanding rallienglanti
2020-07-11 20:29
IMHO, Forsaken also have to appeal. #FreeLordForsaken
2020-07-10 11:23
Maybe in a decade or two
2020-07-10 11:34
A completely different situation
2020-07-10 12:07
When we zoom out, both cases are cheat.
2020-07-10 12:45
Cheating in a tournament for personal gain is hardly comparable to cheating in matchmaking.
2020-07-10 12:46
The other was possibly cheating in mm when he was a kid, the other one was cheating on a LAN with a prize pool under a professional contract in a professional team
2020-07-10 13:15
+1
2020-07-10 14:12
#341
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India samsnow
Because Valve proved it was his account and because Jammpi cannot prove otherwise, he is banned from Majors. He is still playing the game ,no? Valve has no obligation to allow him to play in Majors.
2020-07-11 20:35
What does this have to do with the fact that Forsaken's and Jamppi's situations are completely different?
2020-07-11 20:40
#362
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India samsnow
No that's the point, they are different but not completely. Forsaken's error is way too grave and of course he shouldnt and will not be unbanned but thats the point. If you cheat you are out. Same applies to Jammpii as well as long as he can't prove otherwise.
2020-07-11 22:31
so then tell me does valve have to compensate jamppi with the potential lost income? it's kind of like you make a mistake when you're younger and the boss won't hire you even if you're very competent now, because he knew you made that one mistake many, many years ago. it's wrong.
2020-07-17 12:21
#389
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India samsnow
Hey, there's an ethical dilemma. Cheating is frowned upon. Also, can you blame the boss for not hiring an ex criminal?
2020-07-18 05:41
the ethical dilemma disappears when considering the young age. but yes actually i can blame the boss for not hiring an ex criminal. it depends on the crime. if someone murdered someone, we probably wouldn't want that guy in the firm. ... if someone stole a lollipop when he was 13 and stupid, then we can really blame the boss.
2020-07-18 12:27
#394
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India samsnow
How is cheating while young comparable to stealing a lollipop when cheating at elder age at some tourney compares to murder? The dilemma doesn't disappear. The owner has every right to deny access. You may not like it or think that it is fair but it is OWNERS CHOICE. If he decides that he wants to run a clean shop not risking anything and not accepting criminals, can you blame him. You can tone down Jammpis ban using his age but the fact still remains that he cheated and vavle doesnt have to give a shit about it.
2020-07-18 17:42
Cheating in a tournament is not comparable to cheating in casual.
2020-07-18 18:03
#400
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India samsnow
Tomato Tamato.
2020-07-19 09:35
the ability to see and recognize different circumstances is what sets civilizations apart from each other. reading some of the comments here has caused me to believe that some cultures and countries are truly archaic and medieval. it was not long ago that people believed in the divine rights of kings, but it seems gullible fools exist in every era. now it has just changed to divine rights of companies. you don't even realize it, but you're practically advocating cutting off the hand of a thief for stealing, figuratively speaking.. (in the case of jamppi - his career)
2020-07-18 18:08
#399
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India samsnow
well la di da. I guess I am medieval? Though there are so many things that have been been correct since the archaic and medieval times. Our ethics and morals have been strong. Just because a company is exercising its well justified right of action which would make other users in the future refrain from cheating, you suddenly start calling them misusing the so called divine rights of the companies? "Gullible fools who believed in divine rights of kings " And what about you treating Jammpii like a specialty? Doesn't that make you the gullible fool? Why should he be condoned? He can try out at other leagues and other games if he is as talented as you claim him to be. Why should Valve be the one to bend? Just because you wanna see the little guy win, you can't defy logic by just storming off nonsensical scenarios and comparisons which are completely unrelated and exaggerated.
2020-07-19 09:35
no, it doesn't make me gullible. i can only imagine myself in his place, because a lot of young people have very colorful childhoods and to give them a permanent punishment for making a mistake is an archaic attitude. the very fact that he was a minor back then, 13 years of age and especially being in finland and probably growing up in relative stability, the only thing he is guilty of is being a mischievous brat. i have to point out at this point that i have also cheated in a counter-strike game. it was source back then and i was also banned. i understand why i did it, i wanted to try out something not allowed, i wanted to have an unfair advantage over my enemies, it was fun for a while but then it just felt boring. and this was many, many years ago. but we should compare jamppi to another player - not me. we should compare him to s1mple. s1mple was already on his way to become a professional player when he was banned in esl for cheating in csgo. of course, but fuckers like you will still claim that it doesn't matter, because it was not a vac and valve can still decide who plays in their events. so then.. it's not really about maintaining the integrity of this e-sport. it's just you wanting to be right. "you can't defy logic by just storming off nonsensical scenarios and comparisons which are completely unrelated and exaggerated." we can't understand the circumstances if we don't make the comparisons. valve is clearly in the wrong here. you can't punish someone forever for a mistake he made when he was 13 years old. i made my comparisons, because it is precisely to the point. you believe in the rights of these companies to do as they please even if it is wrong. bUt hE bRoKe tHe rUlEs.. cried out the idiot, as he failed to have any understanding for the youth making mistakes. it makes me believe you had no childhood yourself.
2020-07-19 12:26
#404
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India samsnow
"we can't understand the circumstances if we don't make the comparisons". Here's an idea, how about discuss relevant facts and a logical discussion but looking at your fondness for comparative scenarios here's one that actually makes sense. If I am stupid enough to get a juvie rec on my sheet, ok sure, a misdemeanor as you say, or stealing a lollipop as you called it, should I be surprised that the shop owner doesn't want me to come in ? Isn't he is in his rights? Shouldn't I just go in other shops? How does the world know I didn't make anymore mistakes or stole from the shops, this time wearing a disguise, getting smart after getting caught once? So you cheated and got bored? Who cares bro who the fuck are you? Your 'experience' with cheats doesnt mean shit to this argument, or me or anyone else. Stop making this personal, unless you are Jamppi's alt account, which is even more pathetic. " banned in esl for cheating in csgo" So we should ignore people who have been vac banned but we should make comments with no officially recognized proof about someone who could be banned for as petty reason as, idk, maybe swearing racially. Seeing as there is no official statement, your guess is as good as mine. If it was relative to the integrity they would have banned indefinitely. And VAC is good enough reason to be trustworthy about it, enough to let them decide who plays in their events. You got an issue with the simple case, take it up with valve, get some proof and then talk. You are masquerading here like the representative of all youth who did stupid shit in their lives when its pretty clear that your presumptuous ass has no regard for actuality of the case, the ethics of the world or maybe logic all together. So tell yourself whatever makes you sleep better without your teddy bear.
2020-07-19 23:40
i'm kinda sick of seeing you argue about facts and logic when you refuse to acknowledge that statistically young people are more likely to make mistakes. and that's really the crux or core of the issue we're talking about. what we're dealing with here is a thirteen year old who we know made a mistake and the issue is that you want a punishment in perpetuity. you don't even know if he is repeat offender, yet you're saying the same horseshit everyone ignorant in hltv says: "once a cheater, always a cheater." i point to my own personal experience from my youth and you'll say it's not relevant, but really it is. i am quite sure most people have done things in their youth that they'd want to not do. if i do find a person who doesn't have anything they'd want to do over again, i'd probably call them apathetic. yes, s1mple was banned in csgo. he has lied about this fact for years, but the truth is there to see for those who want to find it. old reddit and hltv threads proving it and also esl pages that have been archived. problem with s1mple is that they can't ban him. his reach is too huge and that would just enrage the cis playerbase. this would mean a huge loss of revenue. so it's not really about maintaining the integrity of this e-sport. the last paragraph you wrote is just an appeal to ridicule and it illustrates the point i made in my first two paragraphs perfectly. you just don't get it.
2020-07-20 00:25
ah, i see a rare sight on hltv. someone with brains. +1
2020-07-17 12:18
your account is your responsibility .. is it that difficult to comprehend? valve doesn't give a shit who got it vac banned . it belongs to you? yes is it vac banned ? yes ok case closed you can't play major .. it is that simple. Valve didn't unban swag who was freaking 17 years old at the time of incident why they should unban jampii ??
2020-07-10 11:37
Do you think that's fair?
2020-07-10 11:40
of course not but if valve unban one guy then others will also follow this and it would make valve look stupid
2020-07-10 11:40
Better late than never, CSGO will potentially be around for another decade so I personally don't think it's too late for Valve to right their injustices of the past.
2020-07-10 11:45
are you talking for real or you just baiting ?
2020-07-10 12:00
That's entirely up to you.
2020-07-10 12:13
the problem is that legally the account is pointing to jamppi's parent not Jamppi (credit card) so if you give lifetime personal ban to a competition that has business involved in it you might need to have stronger identification process for the customers. and if that part about valve not having mentioning vac ban consiquences in valve events in ToS in 2015 is true, you have case right there. not taking part if jamppi is right or wrong, just speculating the legal aspect in this.
2020-07-10 14:30
I like how every Binland dude cry about him, he's not even good and calling it "return of the king" - that just shows how delusional you are
2020-07-10 11:50
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King is a 2003 epic fantasy adventure film directed by Peter Jackson, based on the third volume of J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. The film is the third instalment in The Lord of the Rings trilogy and was produced by Barrie M. Osborne, Jackson and Fran Walsh, and written by Walsh, Philippa Boyens and Jackson. The film features an ensemble cast including Elijah Wood, Ian McKellen, Liv Tyler, Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin, Cate Blanchett, John Rhys-Davies, Bernard Hill, Billy Boyd, Dominic Monaghan, Orlando Bloom, Hugo Weaving, Miranda Otto, David Wenham, Karl Urban, John Noble, Andy Serkis, Ian Holm, and Sean Bean.
2020-07-10 11:53
King of getting vac?
2020-07-10 11:57
King of triggering people who don't believe in second chances because someone once cheated against them in MM.
2020-07-10 11:59
So that's the same thing
2020-07-10 12:00
#100
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Brunei cyLoL
Once cheatered always cheatered
2020-07-10 12:06
That's needlessly harsh
2020-07-10 12:40
#154
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Brunei cyLoL
No it’s needed to teach that mistake have consequence
2020-07-10 12:43
Those consequences don't need to be unreasonably harsh
2020-07-10 12:45
#162
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Brunei cyLoL
It’s not harsh it’s fair you cheat you ban
2020-07-10 12:48
It's all well and good for you to think that, personally I choose to believe in second chances. I find that having a little bit of optimism doesn't hurt.
2020-07-10 12:52
#169
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Brunei cyLoL
I believe in second chances , but his is on valorant and he will know not to cheatered then Edit: Second chance of him playing pro video game
2020-07-10 12:54
As I said I personally think that's needlessly harsh. Let's just agree to disagree.
2020-07-10 12:56
King of being a fucking cheating finnish cunt
2020-07-10 12:11
Reasonable
2020-07-10 12:17
the return of the mutated fish looking guy king
2020-07-10 12:13
+1
2020-07-10 12:18
#126
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Poland morosek
Valve owns him nothing.
2020-07-10 12:27
+1, he should drop on his knees and beg to get an unban, not ask for 200k, fucking delusional
2020-07-10 16:29
You don't think he already tried that?
2020-07-10 16:35
no, his ego is too big for that if he still wants money
2020-07-10 16:39
Might wanna read the whole story, the Reddit post has a link to the IS article
2020-07-10 20:23
ez win if court is placed in finland lmao jamppi next major pew pew
2020-07-10 12:27
Yea Finland hates elitist corporatism like Valve presents. I don't think the judges see a lifetime ban as fair under the circumstances jamppi was banned. To me fair would be 3 years ban on all accounts except for major events which could be lifetime ban because stakes are higher and teams prepare so much for it etc. Then it would be a little bit more in-line with real sports bans, very few are lifetime bans, most are 2-4 years or so. I mean Justin Gatlin the 100m runner and world nr 1 runner at certain time was caught for doping twice in his professional career and was still able to compete after a while, how is the jamppi ban possibly fair in comparison xD
2020-07-10 13:49
Jamppi has officially become a meme. The meme where a cheater that was caught red handed should be unbanned and also sue valve and demand money for the inconvenience. Its like saying that someone breaks the law driving his car, passing with red light and hitting some unlucky pedestrian badly, then suing him for the broken headlight and the scarred paintjob. LUL.
2020-07-10 13:05
It's like stealing candy when you're 12 and as a result not being able to apply for a job when you're 20.
2020-07-10 13:07
+1
2020-07-10 13:41
If you steal candy when you are 12, it means your parents have failed to teach you what honesty and respect means. Thats why here the law punishes the parents until the kid is 18. And since you are bringing tje candy stealing example' would you be proud if your kid stole candy? I guess much cold affects your brain up there (if any)
2020-07-10 18:15
Okay?
2020-07-10 18:37
#312
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Finland OldStager
point? :D
2020-07-11 15:55
wtf?
2020-07-11 20:33
he cheated? yes. if you read valve policy he will be banned forever, what's wrong?
2020-07-10 14:15
It's a rather unreasonable practice compared to any other sport or career path.
2020-07-10 14:38
You can´t never be 100% sure that Jamppi himself has cheated, but on the other side you can´t either never be 100% sure that he haven´t cheated with that account. Only thing for sure is that he haven´t ever cheated in competitive events and he has the skills to be pro.
2020-07-10 14:53
Im laughing so hard to all the normie kids who bashed on Jamppi's lawyer and calling him low IQ when he had everything in control all along.
2020-07-10 14:26
+1
2020-07-10 15:36
+1
2020-07-17 12:23
Jamppi can go sleep in garbage
2020-07-10 14:27
sorry india, we have clean streets here
2020-07-10 14:34
haha
2020-07-10 14:38
Then he can eat my shit
2020-07-10 14:48
good enough, he can do that
2020-07-10 14:48
first he will have to go to india and find the shitting street
2020-07-17 12:24
#288
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Finland 5way
8/8
2020-07-10 16:45
Bunch of malding finns above this LMAO
2020-07-18 04:32
fucking guy wants the money and to get unbanned. Delusional as fuck
2020-07-10 16:29
Isn´t this VAC acc bought with Jamppis fathers credit card, so shouldn´t valve ban his father from valve events instead of Jamppi?
2020-07-10 16:37
#310
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Finland OldStager
lmao +1 #BanJamppi'sFather xD
2020-07-11 15:54
:D
2020-07-11 20:30
hope valve wont unban this kid
2020-07-11 17:46
Would you also like s1mple to get banned for life?
2020-07-11 20:01
normally he should be
2020-07-11 20:58
no, cuz he didnt cheating in mm or something like that
2020-07-11 21:28
He did however cheat in an ESL pug.
2020-07-11 21:38
LMAO cheater got wrecked, valve responded it was him playing on acc, then he created a lawsuit just to make it seem to cs community he was innocent, got denied, then claimed lawsuit was sent to the wrong company, and now its actually the right one haha. How stupid and delusional you gotta be to still support this kid, he cheated before and he still cheats, get fucked.
2020-07-11 18:25
You clearly have no idea what has actually been going on.
2020-07-11 20:01
What king lmao?
2020-07-11 21:00
The king
2020-07-11 21:39
kinda creates the impression that you are actually this kid jamppi lmao :))
2020-07-11 22:32
lmao :))
2020-07-11 22:46
Valve is trying to play the pr game. It was clear that jamppis laywer sued the right company because valve itself says that thats the company that handles the European side of their things.
2020-07-11 22:49
Yeah, that's true.
2020-07-17 11:48
#370
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Panama Bill_Bait
He will just go cheat again
2020-07-17 11:51
noone would suspect him anymore, i mean who would go to court and then cheat again, noone is that stupid(?) :DDD perfect plan
2020-07-18 18:08
#374
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Korea XigNw0w
Anyways, he won't win.
2020-07-17 12:08
wrong. you're thinking in your own local terms about your own judicial procedures. maybe in korea he loses, but finland's court & european court is very different. in the eu the court is not afraid to slap a billion dollar fine on a big company from america.
2020-07-17 12:26
except the company did nothing wrong.
2020-07-17 12:48
oh, there's plenty of wrong done here. some people who have led a little bit more colorful lives in their youth will understand why. obviously everyone has some wrongs they might want to right in their youth, but that's not really possible in all cases. of course the corporate answer here is: we don't care, you dun goofed fucking idiot. but that's not how the court will see it. the court will take into account the young age and see that it's unreasonable to punish someone for a mistake they did seven years ago and when he was young.
2020-07-18 12:21
+1
2020-07-19 12:28
Is he being unbanned?
2020-07-18 18:11
#407
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Poland Rhenie
cheater
2020-07-20 00:18
ok
2020-07-23 15:14
#414
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Poland Rhenie
Also sues wrong company kkkk
2020-07-23 15:15
He didn't but ok
2020-07-23 15:16
#416
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Poland Rhenie
Ok enjoy bumping your thread 15 minutes later once it dies out again
2020-07-23 15:18
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