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ideal change for C9 (if needed)
floppy | 
United States DustNG 
based on recent stats and the most reasonable trades and player buyouts, this is what i believe would be the most ideal roster change for Cloud9 (if needed for next season) -First off i want to discuss sonic which when hes feeling good and playing well the whole team just absolutely dominates the opponent. If not then hes just dead weight and brings everyone down with him. Therefor i would be fine with trading him away to any T2 or T3 team looking for a player to maybe make a mix team. -sonic +junior -second of all i think Motm is a touchy subject. From what the players are saying they say that motm is the loudest on the team and gives off a NeiL_M kind of vibe (NeiL_M or Neil Murphy was the coach for Greyhound and now C0ntact. He is a very expressive personality and kept the whole team intact and awake.) But even though motm is very loud and good for a team that falls off quickly, his stats just dont show up for the roll he plays. Therefor i would be fine to trading him to Triumph or some other team in need of a loud player. -motm +grim -third of all i would never even think of trading away JT. I know all of you ignorant people are thinking "he bottom frags every game why would you keep him?" Ill tell you why. JT might be one of the smartest and heavily slept on IGL's in NA. remember, Zeus wasnt a fragging IGL and look at how successful he was. He won a major and was in probably in Navi's best lineup for like 4+ years. JT, although he isnt the best fragger, is a most need in any young team. If you notice, every time Cloud9 takes a tactical timeout their success rate is like 80+% after the timeout due to JT's strat calling. Therefor im keeping him. - and lastly the rest dont need to be talked about, they are doing great individually and are great support players that can mesh around anyone. MY FINAL LINEUP / TL;DR: -floppy -rifler/ lurker -grim -rifler -junior - awp/ rifler hybrid -oSee -main awp/ main support -JT -IGL/ secondary support
2020-07-12 04:04
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2020-07-12 04:06
#2
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Netherlands ___Snowy___
-jt +leaf
2020-07-12 04:07
nope, too much controversy. Jack Etienne (Cloud9 CEO) would never pick him up. This is the most reasonable and realistic lineup possible based on buyouts
2020-07-12 04:09
Sucks for leaf
2020-07-12 21:55
So no igl?
2020-07-12 21:59
but then they wouldn't have an IGL
2020-07-12 22:09
If JT can bring up his rating to a 0.95, this team will break the top 15.
2020-07-12 04:08
true. idk i have this gut feeling that over the break JT will find his form again and be as good as he was on Bravado
2020-07-12 04:09
bump (yes i know i bumped my own post this needs to be seen)
2020-07-12 04:19
#7
leaf | 
United States Frotha
-Junior +Leaf or Xeppa
2020-07-12 04:21
like i said in #4, way too much controversy and would leave a black smudge on the team. people would think leaf/ xeppaa are cheating because they cant take a loss properly.
2020-07-12 04:25
#11
leaf | 
United States Frotha
Who cares what they think
2020-07-12 04:29
umm fucking valve or some shit or tournament organizers that really dont trust them very much. imagine if they actually got caught for cheating and the teams they are on in the future just get completely kicked out of qualifiers? not a good gamble IMO. and they arent even as good as some of the players you can safely pick up
2020-07-12 04:31
I have faith in this Cloud9 Roster and hope they make the right choice. Personally I could see this roster happening motm floppy oSee Sonic JT Cooper as 6th man
2020-07-12 04:25
same here i still have alot of faith in the youngest roster in the top 30 but i made this forum to give the most realistic roster change if it were ever needed. i dont know about cooper btw, the team he is on, ze pug godz, might get picked up because they have a very promising roster. so not really realistic in that aspect
2020-07-12 04:28
Cooper is a great Rifler/AWP if they need him
2020-07-12 05:03
yeah but idk i would swap him for oSee if thats the case cause i feel like oSee and Junior can have the same affect as s0m and autimatic where they can swap out AWP's for eachother and one can rifle and still be fine
2020-07-12 05:29
yeah
2020-07-12 21:35
I personally dont understand why you would choose Junior and Osee who are both main awpers instead of keeping one of them and either getting a new rifle or just keeping Sonic. But besides that it would probably be an upgrade overall.
2020-07-12 04:32
dude trust me just look at junior highlights, he is just as good with an AK as he is with an awp, oSee is a different story. he struggles slightly with a rifle but is an absolute monster with the AWP. junior reminds me of s0m, insane with the ak but can also hit some insane flicks and super important kills with the awp. oSee and Junior would be like s0m and Autimatic. it will work trust me
2020-07-12 04:39
I'd have to look closer at Junior i guess. From what I've seen I thought he was a main awper but either way it could be good.
2020-07-12 06:44
yeah ive been keeping a close eye on him recently and it seems like him and grim have equal amounts of impact on the teams they are playing against. and if you dont live under a rock then you know that grim is a fucking godsent
2020-07-12 18:43
#20
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Denmark Dust_2_Go
Who dafuq junior And why grim
2020-07-12 21:41
lmao i really hope you are joking. you must be really far up your own ass if you dont know who grim and junior are. watch some real cs and not some boring as T1 EU bullshit
2020-07-12 21:49
#41
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Denmark Dust_2_Go
So i should watch some unproven rookies instead of really talented superstars like s1mple, ZywOo, NiKo, ect. And I should listen to you. And im "really far up my own ass" sure.
2020-07-12 21:59
-motm -Sonic +Grim +Infinite Roles Would Be JT (IGL) oSee (AWP) floppy (Lurker) Grim (Entry) Infinite (Support)
2020-07-12 21:45
please just drop the entire team and get a new, young american squad
2020-07-12 21:46
why?
2020-07-12 21:47
no, you are stupid. they are already super young and have so much more time under their belts
2020-07-12 21:50
imagine liking C9 in 2020 yikes. literally the least charismatic team ever to be assembled + they are trash
2020-07-12 21:51
yeah cause im an actual fan of a team and i dont switch to other teams like an annoying band wagon would do. real fans stick through thick and thin, not just switch over to another team at the slightest convenience. im sorry but you are just a very stupid person.
2020-07-12 21:53
Reply needs to have actual content
2020-07-12 21:54
Respect
2020-07-12 21:57
#46
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Egypt ExonsX
+1
2020-07-12 22:02
#27
RUSH | 
United States ShawnM
Honestly this team doesn't need a double awp Junior is a good pick, but I would just replace him with osee or keep osee awping and not adding junior Instead of replacing sonic with an awper, I think a support player would work better because ur also getting rid of motm NA support players are limited, but maybe fugly could work?
2020-07-12 21:52
oSee and JT are the best support players in NA right now because they have the highest molly land rate and highest flash rate in all of NA right now. thats why they should stay. and look at #14 in this thread for my junior explination
2020-07-12 21:54
Only support that would really work is Infinite. Fugly is good but hes a bit too old. Infinite really impressed me at Flashpoint and under JT I think he could excel
2020-07-12 21:55
i think that some smaller orgs might be looking at ZPG (the team he is on) so i dont think him being on the team would be very realistic. and fugly is valorant now i believe
2020-07-12 21:59
Yeah ZPG is a fun team. Do you know whos IGLing though. Is it ANDROID?
2020-07-12 21:59
its zellsis i believe. i only think this because he IGL'd for Cloud9 in late 2018 early 2019 for IEM 2018
2020-07-12 22:01
ZPG is a fun squad but one thing I would do to improve it is -Cooper +Smooya. Personally I think Smooya is the more mechanically skilled AWPer and he would bring energy to the team once LANs begin again
2020-07-12 22:03
+1 its still a really touchy subject tho. i kinda like them both lol
2020-07-12 22:04
#60
leaf | 
United States Frotha
Support players lol I got mid
2020-07-12 22:26
good thread
2020-07-12 21:52
thanks mens <3
2020-07-12 21:55
#30
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United Kingdom StephenSka
stopped reading at the second misspelling of therefore
2020-07-12 21:54
ok? and? does it look like i give a shit lmao. go fuck yourself lmao
2020-07-12 21:55
#35
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United Kingdom StephenSka
oh jesus there's another go to school stupid americano
2020-07-12 21:55
Sounds good but Alex is also out there and we saw what he did to vitality. I’d say Floppy ALEX or jt hard to decide Grim Xeppa Osee
2020-07-12 21:56
i think ALEX and JT are pretty equal atm when it comes to IGL'ing style so either or is fine.and xeppaa has wayyyy too much controversy around him so it would give a bad rep for the team
2020-07-12 22:00
Yea I was thinking the same about xepppa but idk because I felt more people talking about leaf. Anyways I guess infinite could replace Xeppa but he even was about to be signed to c9 but he said some racist things so idk if they’d sign him but maybe
2020-07-12 22:14
oh yeah i remember that, i guess the three of them all have a bad rep lol. it sucks tho. like they all have so much potential but they went and fucked it up for themselves
2020-07-12 22:15
rebuild around a higher tier IGL and let them do what their want (options: Gla1ve, Karrigan, ALEX) example: Gla1ve, Dev1ce, Xyp9x, Bubzkji, Kjaerbye
2020-07-12 22:04
karrigan was willing to go to NA so, its not that bad of an idea
2020-07-12 22:13
I'm telling you now sooner or later most of these big orgs are just going to build new rosters. I'd be very suprised if within two years Cloud9, Envy and FunPlusPhoenix don't have different teams
2020-07-12 22:14
yeah
2020-07-12 22:14
the org would never put that much money into their csgo team. until this lineup shows some improvement and has the caliber to be better then an EU IGL with a 1million+ dollar buyout IGL would never swing well. Cloud9 will only put that amount of money into LoL which is way more profitable then CSGO. so we are only gonna keep the lineups realistic
2020-07-12 22:14
Cloud9 is one of the most wealthy orgs in all of gaming, and they are able to compete at the top if they wanted to. Everyone can agree the current C9 lineup isn't capable, and the only player really worth keeping is Floppy
2020-07-12 22:15
this lineup is very capable what are you talking about lol. they are literally the youngest lineup in the top 30 and are already showing some potential. just wait a few years. it takes time to win big like i believe they will do
2020-07-12 22:17
if motm gets like a 1.09 rating and Sonic gets a 1.07 rating this roster is really going to do well.
2020-07-12 22:21
if sonic doesnt step the fuck up pretty soon then hes on the chopping block. like i know he has it in him, he just seems really unmotivated. im fine with motm fucking up once in a while because he can definitely step up when he needs to. like we need the motm when he played EG back. remember that nutty ass clip he got when JT smoked off long doors and he just pushed behind everyone? we need that motm. he said in one of his streams that hes gonna work on his game during the break
2020-07-12 22:33
yeah, and motm,Sonic and JT will do well. I know it.
2020-07-12 22:39
yeah this is the time that they should really be watching demos and pugging a lot. i know i would. if they arent 2 times better after the break then their might be a reason for some changes
2020-07-12 22:42
Maybe just practice CT-Side and they could do a lot!
2020-07-12 22:43
omg yeah for sure, motm cant play CT for his life if im gonna be honest. hes just way too aggressive and antsy
2020-07-12 22:44
motm plays a bit more passive he has a 1.09 rating
2020-07-12 22:45
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