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Starladder Berlin Major
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United States jack4000 
Lets be real... this should have been Liquids major. The only reason they didnt win the major is because of the player break. Its a big flaw that some majors are being held after a player break because it decreases the quality of the major heavily. Thats also why I think that ESL One Cologne 2019 was more important than the Starladder Major. Thoughts? Should we just not count majors which are held after player breaks?
2020-07-13 22:52
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It should have been Mouz’ major
2020-07-13 22:53
kkkkkkkk nt
2020-07-13 22:54
#8
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Peru TheJuan
its true wtf
2020-07-13 22:57
mens))) why did u reply on ur alt
2020-07-13 22:57
#12
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Peru TheJuan
what alt
2020-07-13 22:57
ok
2020-07-13 22:59
#18
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Brazil sakaaa
still watching you, JOAO
2020-07-13 22:59
Ok
2020-07-13 23:41
yes that round with 1 sec left at B site and the throw off mouse on 15-13 to the crap force-buy. Also OT on mirage loss. smh
2020-07-13 23:23
#34
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Germany I_car
PeruvianWidepeeker wtf
2020-07-13 23:42
+1 mouz at least deserved a semi final. that liquid game fucked up them.
2020-07-13 23:54
#75
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Germany I_car
Okn't
2020-07-14 17:00
It should have been Faze’ major
2020-07-13 22:54
#20
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Finland kaurapuuro
no
2020-07-13 23:01
Yes
2020-07-13 23:41
#54
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United States jack4000
hahahaha very funny.. faze was never in position to win a major
2020-07-14 10:00
Unlucky lose to Reneluls(who went to semis).But FaZe power was able to smash AVANGAR and then Astralis was doomed because they can't prepare against team without strats
2020-07-14 18:18
faze had their chance, and they blew it
2020-07-15 02:25
#117
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United States kami917
Olof really tried his hardest, dropped +30 and still couldn’t win. Poor guy, should’ve never joined faze.
2020-07-15 02:55
0/8
2020-07-15 03:08
Imho we shouldn't count majors won by NA teams
2020-07-13 22:54
wtfmens))) stop baiting pls, its against the rules
2020-07-13 22:55
macedonia?????????????
2020-07-14 18:44
#118
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Europe the_NDR
+1 NA CS is literally equivalent to gold nova eu
2020-07-15 02:57
No. They lost because of the Astralis veto.
2020-07-13 22:54
this
2020-07-13 22:57
#22
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Denmark Xipingu
This.
2020-07-13 23:09
This
2020-07-13 23:11
#40
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Denmark 4vs0
astralis wouldve won that series either way, we all know if astralis picked nuke they would've won im pretty sure astralis is on like a 20 win streak vs liquid on nuke
2020-07-13 23:47
They could've let Liquid do the entireveto and they would've sill won 2-0
2020-07-14 10:07
I agree with You man, but picking Vertigo against Liquid had this element of surprise and it kinda broke them down mentally.
2020-07-14 10:43
I paniced so hard bro
2020-07-14 17:10
#7
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Brazil sakaaa
Wait. Wasn't EVERY team subjected to player break? Also, wasn't Astralis already dominating the whole thing for a good year, at least? That argument (player break) is as solid as me saying that I deserved this major if it wasn't for my GPU stop working sometime in 2002 - i could've make it big..
2020-07-13 22:55
+1
2020-07-13 22:57
+1 but I don't have a gpu.
2020-07-13 23:27
+1
2020-07-14 18:50
Delusion at its finest
2020-07-13 22:57
Excuses
2020-07-13 22:58
Forgot to mention: Liquid is probably the most overrated team out there.
2020-07-13 22:59
#130
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Brazil Snaipa_
Liquid and Mouz
2020-07-17 17:37
#17
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Yugoslavia al0))
nah astralis anti stratted them hard they had no chance
2020-07-13 22:59
#41
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Ireland Sodaking
that Vertigo pick was honestly one of the best strategic plays in csgo history liquid did not expect it and had clearly not prepared for it
2020-07-13 23:47
#53
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Yugoslavia al0))
+1
2020-07-14 00:27
+1 biggest no u in csgo history stragicaly. Instantly got a bad feeling bro :(
2020-07-14 17:10
#90
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Ireland Sodaking
yea i think everyone did nobody except Astralis saw that Pick coming they had clearly been training on Vertigo and figured it was the best way to Beat Liquid
2020-07-14 18:42
after they picked vertigo it was gonna end one of 2 ways, Either the best anti strat in a major ever, Or a complete flop and the most idiotic move in a major ever
2020-07-15 02:26
would be on par with xist and karrigan at boston final lmao
2020-07-17 17:52
I mean they had pracced the map atleast a little but ofc they didn't expect the pick from astralis
2020-07-17 17:53
no one except Astralis expected the pick one of the greatest trick plays in csgo and it worked so well
2020-07-17 18:18
Majors aren't being held after player breaks anymore, also it is stupid to not count majors just because of a player break as a good team should suffer because of one.
2020-07-13 23:00
it's all liquid's fault, don't blame the player break, they were fucking around on social media and not practicing while they shoulda kept their standards and trained if they really wanted it that bad. They got cocky. Hell they barely even scraped qualification through the group stage considering it was 3-2 and beat mouz by the skin of their teeth
2020-07-13 23:06
#39
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Ireland Sodaking
ikr look i liked Liquid's run in 2019 but they did not deserve to win the Major the way they played they were outclassed in the quarter final and Astralis the way they played 100% deserved it yes they did struggle in the legends stage but they recovered and fought off the competition and wiped Avangar off the maps in the final it's about form in the Major Astralis last 2 years have had a Habit of hitting peak form in majors
2020-07-13 23:46
after qualifiers had that gut feeling that Liquid wasn't winning. They looked nothing like that 2019 cruise :(
2020-07-14 17:13
#24
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Denmark Xipingu
Blaming the player break is really... Ya know, like blaming spring vacation for not handing in assignments in time?
2020-07-13 23:14
Dude, to win a fucking major you need more than just tangibles (raw skill, tactics, form). you need the winners mentality, you need to feel like its already yours before the first match starts, you need the aura. Liquid are a bunch of beta cucks, they are never going to win a major, it's literally impossible for them.
2020-07-13 23:16
#50
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Well as long as Astralis is in the scene. Liquid plays so fucking scared against them..
2020-07-13 23:59
liquid always makes it so close but never win, every map usually goes 12-13+
2020-07-14 17:18
#109
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Then it's a mental problem. Look NaVi destroyed Astralis with eaze in Katowice and is leading them 3-0 head to head this year and with these lineups. Liquid should be able to do the same but can't.
2020-07-15 01:07
and liquid was up 2-0 head to head in 2019 until the major, but yeah liquid just needs to get less nervous about series, every map i see between liquid and astralis is 16-14, 16-13, or 16-12
2020-07-15 02:05
The most tactical team in counter-strike has barely played any tournaments and so has much much more time than you to prepare, not only that they get a player break, and you expect to have an easy time in a major? 0/8
2020-07-13 23:21
Liquid was shit. Every major they choke. Starladder was for nrg, if they won against astralis, they won the major
2020-07-13 23:26
Yeah astralis should be fined and given the major to Liquid cause they cant keep their calm and keep their form cause they cant play lans for a month. sure XDD
2020-07-13 23:28
+1
2020-07-14 18:51
AVANGAR DESERVED THAT MAJOR AND Y'ALL KNOW THIS /discuss
2020-07-13 23:33
#37
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Ireland Sodaking
from the way they played in the Final fuck no they got fucking annihilated in the final what was it like 16-6 16-5 they got destroyed man
2020-07-13 23:44
ence was more annihilated on inferno
2020-07-14 10:27
#89
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Ireland Sodaking
yea but tbf by that stage the Major was already over once they lost 16-11 on Train the final was over as a contest
2020-07-14 18:40
guess it was ez4astralis in 2019 majors
2020-07-14 20:24
#35
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United Kingdom Eskimo77
100% Agree. Russel, Keith, Nick and Jon all deserve majors under their belts.
2020-07-13 23:43
Stew doesn't?
2020-07-15 19:22
#127
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United Kingdom Eskimo77
He already has one?
2020-07-15 23:39
"Majors" It was in pluralis
2020-07-15 23:50
#129
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United Kingdom Eskimo77
Hence, at least one. Damn, Mr. Danske questioning my English.
2020-07-17 17:34
Ok sorry brit I will never question your English again :O
2020-07-17 18:12
#137
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United Kingdom Eskimo77
Liquid > Astralis. :)
2020-07-17 20:34
#36
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Ireland Sodaking
no offense that's bullshit man if you don't play well you don't deserve to win Liquid massively under performed during the Major and they deservedly lost to Astralis in the Quarter Finals i remember 2019 when Liquid was rolling over everyone and winning event after event i worried for them that come the Major they would run out of steam and lose and i was correct but Astralis managed to hit Peak Form and won their 3rd straight Major they deserved it the way they performed in the championship rounds they absolutely Crushed Avangar in the final
2020-07-13 23:43
Lets talk more about how ENCE and Vitality just ****** a free grand final spot away.... The real final was Astralis vs Liqiuid in the quarter finals... the winner of that match had a free major win after..
2020-07-13 23:45
#42
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Denmark 4vs0
not only that, but they changed the format to AVOID this situation and it backfired they changed it so there was real seeding (ie the best 3-0 team is 1st seed, best 3-1 team is 3 seed, and best 3-2 team is 6th seed)
2020-07-13 23:48
Thats just because both Astralis and Liquid failed a bit i the swiss group stage. But in theory i is the best way to do it. The teams that play well and go 3-0 have the best seed.
2020-07-13 23:50
#44
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Denmark 4vs0
no because it doesnt matter if u go 3-0 or 3-2, if u qualify, u qualify if u want to get super specific i guess u should format it based on round diff or kill diff then or damage diff who is to say a team going 3-0 16-14 16-14 16-14 is better than 3-1 of 16-0 16-0 14-16 16-0 once u get to playoffs, throw away the group results and completely reseed thats the best format
2020-07-13 23:52
But how do we seed the teams for playoff? Because no one wants to see Navi, Astralis, G2 and Liquid on same side of the bracket. Then 4 upset teams on the other side, ENCE, Avangar, 100T and EG. The teams that rn play the best and win the games gets the best seed. You cant win a bo3 if 16-0 14-16 14-16 Then you loose 2-1.. you cant win a game because off feel or adr
2020-07-13 23:57
#51
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Denmark 4vs0
exactly u cant qualify off of 2-3 u cant qualify off of 1-3 u cant qualify off of 0-3 if u win a game, u win a game if u win a round, u win a round if u win a swiss system, u win a swiss system 3-0 vs 3-1 vs 3-2 doesnt matter reseed by rank ie for berlin 1. liquid (still #1 at the time) 2. vitality 3. astralis 4. NRG 5. Ence 6. NaVi 7. Rng 8. Avangar QF Liquid > Avangar RNG > vita (vita lost to avangar so not too far off to assume they would lose to rng too, vita sucked that playoff) Astralis > NaVi NRG > Ence Liquid > RNG Astralis > NRG Astralis > Liquid
2020-07-14 00:00
#52
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Finland HARD4ENCE
ENCE fucked it up already before the major. Announcing a player change just before the biggest tournament of the year has such a marvelous effect on team chemistry and overall mood within the team. I was honestly surprised they didn't go out in the groups...
2020-07-14 00:10
#107
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Finland Khroni
+1 but at least Aleksi finally got revenge on Vitality there
2020-07-14 21:02
#46
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Germany I_car
Because liquid has been really good after the major right?
2020-07-13 23:55
no.
2020-07-13 23:56
No
2020-07-13 23:57
#56
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Europe BIG_BIGFAN
Lets be real... this should have been BIG's major. The only reason they didnt win the major is because of the player break. Its a big flaw that some majors are being held after a player break because it decreases the quality of the major heavily. Thats also why I think that ESL One Cologne 2019 was more important than the Starladder Major. Thoughts? Should we just not count majors which are held after player breaks?
2020-07-14 10:08
This.
2020-07-14 18:52
2020-07-14 10:09
#58
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United States vip3r_k1ng
Not true, Astralis clearly studied very hard for that match and brought out the 200 iq plays, they suprised Liquid on the veto and anti strated them very hard, Astralis put more hard work and effort into this matchup and therefore they won, its unfortunate that this major was just after the player break but it's the sign of a champion to work through breaks and you cant be mad that the team that very clearly put in more effort won
2020-07-14 10:17
#59
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Denmark JKTP
Let's be honest, Astralis outplayed them by picking vertigo which is widely regarded as the best counter-play in counter-strike's history. Moral broke a shocked Liquid and evantually they completely cracked. Blaming it on a player break is a bit weak, when evidence has no patterns regarding player breaks.
2020-07-14 10:17
indeed but i have to say that liquid choked overpass, up 9-6 on T side overpass then just letting astralis hit B site overpass everytime on their CT side, eventually ended as a 10-4 half for the astralis' T side
2020-07-14 17:23
#87
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Denmark JKTP
Yeah, i mean liquid wen't into the major sky high, super confident. Getting smashed in the first round slammed them into the ground hitting them with reality.
2020-07-14 18:05
yeah but liquid has gotten better at dealing with big losses early in the series and recovering, they made overpass a coin flip
2020-07-14 20:44
all majors count i guess. astralis gave liquid a class of what competitive cs is. they outstrated them in any way possible. astralis won. liquid just stay pew pew while astralis pushed themselves to their competitive limits still waiting
2020-07-14 10:54
player break my ass. lulquit got r%@ped on vertigo.
2020-07-14 11:04
#64
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Lithuania LTComedy
Every team had a player break.
2020-07-14 11:07
#65
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Slovakia weedko222
No. NA CS XDDDDD
2020-07-14 11:09
#66
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Serbia DjapeZ
Only reason is bcs Astralis played on it, esl one xD delusional na fan
2020-07-14 11:16
#67
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Sweden Lagge15
Because of 2019 majors valve decided to do the dates of the majors known beforehand and have it at the latter part of each season. Just so it would be a seasonal build up for the major. No point in having the peak of the season in February/March or September/October
2020-07-14 11:35
#74
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United States jack4000
even more proof to not count these majors.
2020-07-14 17:00
#104
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Sweden Lagge15
With that argument almost no majors should be counted
2020-07-14 20:35
Actually NRG deserved it way more than TL, they played a lot better.
2020-07-14 11:41
he means pre-major
2020-07-14 17:23
can you read?
2020-07-14 18:43
Yes, I am saying that it "should have been NRGs major" and the player break is just a petty excuse.
2020-07-14 19:32
it's a reasonable one because it gave teams a lot of time to study liquid's style. when theres events coming every 2 weeks, teams don't have the time to review so many demos to read liquid's style nrg looked amazing in groups, but seeing astralis in the playoffs made it clear they deserved the major
2020-07-15 16:36
Its true about team learning about Liquids style, but TL had enough time to throw in a curveball and change their game up a little bit. Astralis did benefit a lot tho by not playing many games previous months
2020-07-15 19:08
#69
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Germany snicxx
Nt na nt
2020-07-14 11:42
100T (or renegades) were the only team to take a map off Astralis in the major prior to that major, therefore it should have been 100T for the major win (the facts dont lie)
2020-07-14 11:44
and nrg won a bo3 to astralis at that major
2020-07-14 17:24
+1
2020-07-14 18:54
#71
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Denmark Dust_2_Go
cry is free oh major Astralis win unimportant ESL One Cologne LuLquid win important i mean just grow up. And NRG got clapped just as hard if not harder. And they never really bounced back from the loss ESL One New York 2019 semi final loss to Astralis again Blast Pro Series Global Finals 2019 finals loss to Astralis again ESL Pro League season 10 losses to Fnatic and Astralis again. ECS Season 8 finals loss to Astralis again. Dreamhack Malmö 2019 losses to Optic and Grayhound.
2020-07-14 12:13
cry is free
2020-07-14 12:14
These shouldn't be majors after the player break That's fucked up
2020-07-14 12:19
I think ENCE had huge chances ,how they fall in front of 100T then renegades was too shameful
2020-07-14 17:05
Cmon guys judging by Liquid's form in the qualifiers, it showed they weren't ready to win. They barely scraped by 3-2 and narrowly dodged mous. Yeah it sucked for a Liquid fan but they played so brainlessly. Hope they get their sh!t together and do better at the next major. Maybe win it who know?
2020-07-14 17:16
idk, i hope liquid LAN comes back strong
2020-07-14 17:24
I hope so too. I have a feeling that nitr0 is gonna come back hard. Hes been playing FPL a lot and his stats in those game have been really good. Hope Twistzz nails more shots too. Lets hope for the best :D
2020-07-14 19:47
:D i hope stewie can control his aggression a bit more
2020-07-14 20:44
yeah ikr! Sometimes I see him play positions like stairs on cat D2 with AWP like wat doink.
2020-07-15 02:41
hahahahahaha this is just sad
2020-07-14 17:25
player break destroyed liquid +111111111, after that group stage everyone shouldve known they wouldnt beat astralis if it was after cologne, liquid wouldve swept everyone without breaking a sweat
2020-07-14 18:42
#94
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Poland Blaszek
-team liquid -winning a major pick one
2020-07-14 18:48
lmfao classic excuses. shouldve prepared and practiced.
2020-07-14 18:54
#102
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Russia anleet
NA on Major XD
2020-07-14 19:53
they didn't win bcuz they lost overpass against astralis at semi/quarter-finals like idiots, if you can't focus for an important match, then wtf do you expect
2020-07-14 21:37
astralis counterstratted so hard on overpass, they knew exactly what the veto was going to be way before it happened
2020-07-15 02:06
i remember this overpass so well, like it was yesterday, astralis winning it seemed impossible at some point, liquid should've taken that major
2020-07-15 08:37
#110
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Russia ToughGuy
NaVi should have won
2020-07-15 01:13
i guess its up to the teams to decide if they want to play to win the major or not. if you do, you dont do player break right before it.
2020-07-15 03:05
It's good to dwell on past CS:GO Majors as an example for the future but taking anything away from the team who already won the Major is a little unfair.
2020-07-15 19:26
should've could've would've
2020-07-17 17:39
Cant wait to see the topic: WW2, lets be real it shouldve been Hitler's victory
2020-07-17 17:56
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