Only BIG in their prime can beat Astralis in their prime
yes (except for current BIG clan)
How is this a question?
Astralis had their era recently and would ofc smash the older eras since meta has change and everything, people have perfected the game by now
It depends. Some over aggressive team would probably beat them.
Astralis prime > everyone
SK prime would wipe the floor with them.
astralis was fucking legendary earlier, in their prime times, i don't think any team could defeat their peak and tryharding performance, not even todays big ofc
Maybe navi/vitality/or any other team with a strong kennyS.
With s1mple, zywoo, or kennys (at his peak) in a perfect day, playing over agressive, and the rest of their team playing at their best level, everything is possible!
Now if you speak of a long period peak for a team i think no one ever had the chemistry astralis reached...
Faze at their peak and Liquid. Even then liquid at their prime would have still lost to Astralis (grand slam period). Watching Astralis was so fucking boring, but it’s undeniable they are the goat.
What do you consider prime Astralis?
im nip fangay but fnatic pronax era so ez
Astralis in their prime were untouchable. When you look at most teams that had an era they always had a weak link but were able to dominate because the game was alot more forgiving for their top players back then.
Astralis with 5 star players would smash a team with pronax, Fifflaren, NEO or TACO...
Most of these teams revolved around star players that were ahead of everybody else. VP with Snax, Fnatic with JW, Flusha and olof, NiP with f0rest + GTR, SK with coldzera/FalleN
I think Navi kato 2020 form can give them strong competition.
Liquid has a chance against them as long as its not a grand final (in grand final they choke so hard)
NaVi from Katowice 2020
NaVi 2010 easy
Astralis could regularly lose to SK and Fnatic in their prime
They could also struggle to NiP in their prime
They would probably beat every french team in their prime (LDLC, Titan, etc)
SK Gaming 2016 during their prime which was around the ESL One Cologne time would have a pretty good shot I would say.
fnatic with pronax would have the best chance against them. Other maybe SK with cold and fnx
No team comes even close to Astralis prime, even tve best team besides astralis in the history of conter-strike in their prime should be happy if they could get just 5 rounds against them.
2015 fnatic were better imo, and if they could put it into a test, id go with fnatic
In their prime time they'd train everybody and teams would rarely get double digit rounds in maps vs them, so it's hardly a discussion.
FaZe in their prime is much better (ESL One NY 2017)
Strongest yes, unbeatable no
Maybe Liquid during that one time in iBP masters where prime Astralis lost. First match for stew on Liquid but even then Liquid were tied 1-1 and had to do a massive comeback against them.
I know Im gonna lose my mind if this happens but I would have a good laugh if Astralis bans Train when they face off Liquid lol
I wanna see prime astralis vs 2017 sk or major winning SK. or prime astralis vs 2014 fnatic
I would love to see a final four of this primes.
NIP PRIME VS SK PRIME
ASTRALIS PRIME VS FNATIC PRIME
Bring back emotional cs again :(
fnatic would have a chance in raw firepower, same for 2019 liquid, MAYBE SK/LG if they were having an especially good day
astralis should still in the majority of the time
i think sk in 2016 or vp 2014 fnatic 2013/2014
Faze at their VERY best could take Astralis
But it didn’t last for very long
Well I think you would have to consider a multitude of factors here. First off you have the fact that over the years the CS map pool has changed from the removal of Dust, Cache, Cobble etc. So teams from different eras could not really match up that way. Furthermore, newer teams have an advantage since they existed in a time past the metas where older teams prevailed in. For example the meta today takes in to consideration the style that previously dominant teams played in order to neutralize them. But for fun, if we were to combine the metas a little bit and switch up the map pool to a middle ground, I actually think that Astralis would be quite beatable. Let's say that instead of Vertigo, Cache was in the pool. Now you see the peak AStralis that we know and love has a huge map pool issue. They have two maps that they don't play. So lets say we pit up the peak FaZe clan roster with karrigan, GuardiaN, and Olof against them. Since FaZe were actually really good on Cache the map veto would go something like this.
Astralis ban Mirage
FaZe ban Nuke
Astralis pick Inferno
FaZe pick Cache
Astralis ban Train
FaZe ban Dust 2
FaZe would take Cache easily and Astralis would take Inferno.
Overpass would be close and I can see it going either way.
Lets take the prime SK gaming roster. We would obviously have to change the map pool again to fit both eras. So, lets say we put in Cobblestone in for Vertigo, then the ban would be really interetsing
SK ban Nuke
Astralis ban Mirage
SK pick Train
Astralis pick Inferno
SK bans Dust 2
Astralis bans Cobble
Here I say SK takes it 2-1 or 2-0
I doubt that any team would be able to beat Astralis just because they worked as a unit. They had the best teamwork and not just like 1 or 2 two guys going over the top
the meta constantly changes m8
Na'Vi 2020 Katowice
Liquid 2019 IGS run
SK 2016/2017 @ majors
And Astralis still would probably win like around 8 out of 10 of their matches against each of these.
Also depends on some other conditions such as which CS we are playing, e.g. 2015 and 2020 cs are quite differently balanced in terms of maps/guns/economics.
Prime Astralis is the best team ever in Counter Strike, no one ever has even come close to their prime level
CS is a game of 90% skill / 10% luck - So any top 15 team would probably be able to beat Astralis, Astralis would just win 9/10 games. :)
Fnatic at prime = astralis at prime
Both were like a freaking robots
Prime liquid would've given them a run for their money.
Prime EG actually did beat them in New York after the major.
Don't actually know if Astralis was as strong then but they went on to win a few more tournaments to end the year so I suppose this would count.
Old NIP would probably beat them, they had a much better winstreak
why is this a question, no older team would even get 10 rounds in a bo3 against them
Prime astralis vs peak na'vi would be fun.
Only Liquid could in my opinion
Astralis at their peak was unbeatable. Pretty sure this was also said by analysts, boombl4 also more or less said this. Teams could barely get double digits against them, 16-0'd SK's core in a major, 32-2'd FaZe, basically started a bo3 with an automatic win due to Inferno and Nuke, utility was like precision nukes, complete shutdown of opponent star players, destroying other tier 1 teams... no other team has done shit like this, not even close.
By the way, it's pretty much pointless to count peaks of teams like fnatic, NiP, SK, since they played in a much easier time, in basically a different game. Only teams after 2018, where Astralis kind of reinvented the meta, can be compared. Any team before that gets decimated.
The closest team to prime Astralis were prime Liquid.
Prime Gambit Krakow 2017 ez
prime astralis lost to north with msl, so best team north?
would all have won
prime astralis vs prime fnatic <3
astralis prime would beat anyone and if u say otherwise ur a delusional faggot
Prime astralis is the best team by far and the only best team who didn't get replaced by the next best team, astralis just got bored and tired.
Fnatic was also really good.
Prime VP would beat them Ez
If astralis was a 100, fnatic would be like 70, sk would be 60, prime nip and envyus with Kenny and apex 50. Liquid 40
Senor Vac in his prime (if u know what i mean) would win prime astralis
Objectively, Astralis has been the best team in terms of stability, achievements, strategies and consistency so far.
Prime fnatic with prime olof, jw and flusha would have a decent chance imo
Prime 2015 Fnatic may be.
During the others prime was No uttility or strats included astralis would most likely beat All (My opinion)
fnatic with pronax and olof > this crap
Depends on the meta cause no two eras existed in the same meta ,so its reta*** to say who was better lol
yeah nip not won so many majors as astralis but they was so dominant even better than astralis
imb4 in 5 seconds haters > no competition bla bla
maybe SK with peak cold, fer, fallen could give them a sweat. But at their peak, Astralis strats and nades were just unbeatable.
Maybe the VP golden 5 line could have beat anyone
Original Golden Five would cruch them
I would of loved to see prime Astralis (Device, Xyp, Glave, Dupreeh, Magisk) vs. Prime Fnatic (late 2015) Olof, Krimz, JW, Flusha, Dennis.
No team in history comes close to the dominance Astralis had in those runs.
It's not even about how much they won but more about the way they were winning, going through entire tournaments without losing a map, rarely allowing double digit rounds for opponents, embarrassing other top teams making them look like silvers etc.
Stop making threads about tier 2 team
"prime Astralis vs any other team during their prime?"
Prime Astralis vs Prime Virtus.Plow
not really much to discuss tbh. prime astralis is the best team to ever touch csgo
astralis is a very tactical team and almost makes no mistake so I win everything, but I believe that only in the bullet they can’t beat SK and LIQUID, astralis in fact have a great powerfire but I couldn’t be the best just with that so I believe that maybe SK and LIQUID would be able to beat them, now because SK was the best, SK had an incredible powerfire and also a very good tactic and also made almost no mistakes, LIQUID in my opinion only had powerfire, but I believe they would have a chance
Navi at their katowice 2020 prime
Honestly prime Astralis vs prime Liquid would be in my opinion a phenomenal match-up. I would prefer a bo5 just so then they can play minimum 3 maps. I also think that honestly either of these teams could take it because both teams in their prime were literally unstoppable, and two unstoppable teams played each other it would make for some of the greatest CS to be played/watched.
Prime astralis vs online BIG
Yup, the best Astralis is the strongest team we ever seen so far.
And those that say othjerwise have really not thought about it, or dont understand sport and progression.
The sport overall has gotten better since NIP was the best for once, so even though NIP was extreme and had the 2 best era ever, put that team as they played back then to play against top teams of today and they would lose because cs overall has become so much harder and better, team play, tactics and everything around has been lifted..
So no matter how good they where back then, how the game was played was much weaker compared to now.
Astralis became the best team while all teams where pro and good, and was so for 1-2 years on how you want to view it.
Its not just about who you like or dislike, or if you are from Swede and want NIP to be it.
Not just about loss and win record and such, but everything with the sport the workings and how other teams where in that time and all those things.
And that leave a very clear picture, so its not just about a personal feeling but facts that lead to the point that prime Astralis is as of now the best team we ever had in CS.
NaVi 2010 or NaVi kato 2020 form would smash 'em
FaZe used to be the only team beating them easily in 2017/2018
There is nothing to do discuss because it's apparent in your original post that bias is already proving to be strong enough to disrupt any other opinion other than your own.
Prime Astralis is akin to Prime fnatic in terms of dominance but Prime core-NiP was technically the most dominant despite the times being unkind to the era in question.
I BET ON 87 - 0 NIP. Because? They beat 72 - 10 Chicago bulls and 73 - 9 GSW record. Theres your answer.
I mean Navi katowice 2020 in the playoffs were insanely dominant.. Rekt liquid, astralis and G2 pretty bad.. But yeah that was a really small run but insanely dominent and also only navi is the team who has beaten astralis everytime in 2020 like 3 or 4 times.. Maybe new kryptonite of astralis, that would be sick
idk but I would love to see prime SK vs Astralis, it would be an insane game
prime north beat prime astralis 2x in 1 tourney
Prime skill based teams might be able to steal a series versus that.
FaZe and Liquid at their very best come to mind when they just hit every shot.
What do you consider Astralis Prime? If you talk about Mid 2018 to Early 2019 maybe FaZe have a chance.
according to pronax himself (I know seems unbelievable)
does mouz at the end of last year count?
No one could beat them. Not even Online International Gaming (BIG)