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prime Astralis vs any other team during their prime?
United Kingdom whatacliche 
prime Astralis vs any other team during their prime? Astralis during their strongest, unbeatable by any other team ever? /discuss
2020-07-16 11:42
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2020-07-16 11:43
United Kingdom whatacliche
Envious, Sweden?
2020-07-16 11:43
nice cry no scene
2020-07-16 11:45
Endpoint top 1 by 2021.
2020-07-16 11:46
2020-07-16 11:46
Only the best UK team to exist 😎 Top 1 by 2021 for sure!
2020-07-16 11:48
Sweden fastflop
Maybe best uk team but nonamer team globally lul
2020-07-16 12:28
+1 endpoint actually underrated team i hope they go to a major soon
2020-07-16 12:28
lost to attax lmao
2020-07-16 13:44
Romania alexinio05
Uk, I know what it feels like to have only 1 team that can actually do something other than losing every match, but keep dreaming, maybe one day it will happen
2020-07-16 14:24
Sweden TomPony
Cry is free
2020-07-17 06:35
sweden is no better, but anyways before you emotionally and immaturely lash our at me for a no u response, the solution is very simple my friends, prime SK would destroy Astralis with their stacked firepower, just like how bot NAVI who were honestly trash could even beat Astralis, goes to show that the csgo industry will hype up anything lul
2020-07-17 06:42
Sweden TomPony
Sweden is full of legends, we were top 1 just last month. And i assume you are from a shitty eastern european country since you wont show your flag. NOICE!
2020-07-17 12:13
Sweden is full of muslims and will turn into swedishtan soon
2020-07-17 18:30
Turkey TheKaiser
wHoA wTf ThEy CaNt HaVe MuSlImS iTs ImPoSsIbLe AlL mUsLiMs ArE bAd BeCaUsE oF sOmE iMmIgRaNtS wTf
2020-07-19 04:50
Not only because of immigrants, Muslim is actually a bad religion as a wholesome. Islam is bad and it's a shame that so many idiots follow it.
2020-07-24 20:30
Turkey TheKaiser
Bet you don't even know much thing about Islam. There's not any bad thing in Islam. Even the words of jihad or "Allahu Akbar" is known wrongly in the closed minds.
2020-07-25 08:43
Because Islam teaches you to spread Islam forcely so that everyone will be muslim, and that's bad so Islam suck
2020-07-25 09:35
Turkey TheKaiser
Who the fuck said Islam wants you to forcefully convert? Stop believing in this propaganda.
2020-07-26 02:15
uk> sweden, nt retard, sk> fnatic kkkk
2020-07-17 22:36
Brazilian. Pathetic. Prime Astralis, Fnatic, EnVyUs, Liquid > SK
2020-07-18 12:45
0/8 bait, british so nice projection bra7ilian, liquid destroyed by sk, prime astralis would lose to firepower like navi astralis, envy never had an era and fnatic too old, relatively recent teams are far superior
2020-07-18 13:27
I cri everytim
2020-07-17 11:11
India ROFLaala
Just like how forsaken was our dream carrier
2020-07-17 06:40
forsaken was actually insane, some jealous neanderthal slipped in word.exe to sabotage him, he was just far ahead of his time and the goat of cs #forsaken did nothing wrong
2020-07-17 06:43
India ROFLaala
2020-07-18 12:28
Romanians shouldn't be the ones talking
2020-07-17 17:52
wdym? top 1 by October easily
2020-07-17 17:00
no. just no
2020-07-17 17:52
China KoreanFan
2020-07-19 16:18
maybe top 34
2020-07-19 16:40
No he mean, no need to discuss since Flusha on his prime you would all cry. Astralis and SK wouldn't even exist if Flusha continued playing like he usually does :>
2020-07-18 19:46
He is not Sweden.
2020-07-19 17:03
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Germany I_car
Only BIG in their prime can beat Astralis in their prime
2020-07-16 11:43
Who will win next time Big play astralis on LAN? Maybe in major
2020-07-16 11:44
BIG will win obviously #GoBIG
2020-07-16 11:45
Audi | 
Germany I_car
2020-07-16 11:50
device | 
Denmark JKTP
It's a shame that big isn't going to cologne on homesoil
2020-07-16 12:38
but their chances of winning significantly increased because it is played online
2020-07-17 12:59
only Navi 2018 in their prime could beat them. P.S like they did in cologne.
2020-07-16 12:13
device | 
Denmark JKTP
I fear 2020 navi more? They are like Astralis' kryptonite. When did 2018 navi ever beat Astralis`?
2020-07-16 12:39
Ukraine volod1m1r
just check the matches of 2018....
2020-07-16 12:42
They beat them at Cologne 2018,Starseries S4(although Astralis wasnt in their prime at the time) and at Blast Copenhagen(it was a bo1 but Astralis got rekt in front of their home crowd)
2020-07-16 12:46
device | 
Denmark JKTP
And they beat them 3 times in 2020. Was it 4 times in a row? I believe it was 4 times in a row. Twice in the same tournament. That was in 3 months
2020-07-16 12:54
you do know how close the navi astralis match at cologne was and how badly astralis rekt them at the major right?
2020-07-17 05:58
Yeah,it was close but they still beat them. And I know Astralis beat Na'Vi more but my comment wasnt about that.
2020-07-17 07:49
They actually beat them a total of 3 times. The same as 2020, but that was in 7 months. 2020 was 3 months.
2020-07-17 12:53
yes definitely. 2020 navi at their prime can beat like anyone i think. we all saw what they did in katowice and blast groups. but surely there is a lack of consistency, where no one can beat astralis. ps: idk why some people think 2018 navi is better than 2020 navi
2020-07-17 08:09
2020-07-18 22:11
Poland Altimator
2020-07-19 20:03
yes (except for current BIG clan)
2020-07-16 11:43
How is this a question? Astralis had their era recently and would ofc smash the older eras since meta has change and everything, people have perfected the game by now
2020-07-16 11:44
prime SK, firepower can destroy Astralis's weakpoint, just look at NAVi who aren't even considered a good team when they were number 1 except casters who hype up everything omegalul
2020-07-17 06:39
lmao youre delusional. Astralis was the best team to grace counter strike ever
2020-07-17 17:09
that is why even with their boost, device can't even get top 1 and why SK would beat them in a match with firepower, niko never won a major or guardian but they were still goats of their time, achievements aren't everything because 2 easy grand finals with av and ence, also vp was a lucky comeback. nt polak
2020-07-17 22:39
You’re an idiot.
2020-07-18 09:38
nice ad hom, expected from diabeetus land, and before you ackshually it, it is a meme, you probably only speak french so nice google translate, high iq individual right here... Mad because prime sk would destroy astralis just like navi did with astralis
2020-07-18 09:53
I’d say nice try but it wasn’t nice.
2020-07-18 20:56
wtf are you saying? I don't speak french dude
2020-07-18 21:39
dont bother with him, hes a device and astralis hater.
2020-07-18 19:35
+1 xd
2020-07-19 20:11
So you rate a team perfomance on one individual player and not the achievements of the team? This is just simply wrong
2020-07-18 12:41
achievements =/= goats niko and guardian = goats and never won
2020-07-18 13:24
Youre stupid dude seriously ,if achievements dont matter s1mple or cold should be he goat (due to individual achievements)
2020-07-18 20:20
I seriously don't speak Dan-ish and nice ad hom, you are just a butthurt astralis gloryhunter so cry more that Prime SK could beat Astralis which makes SK the GOATS.
2020-07-18 21:39
its seriously hilarious that you're making fun of most country who disagree with you while you're not even showing your flag lmao
2020-07-19 20:12
Nah it ain't, if I revealed my country which is one of the best in the world, you would literally be shaking bro... If you find that funny then you have no taste in jokes and are some loser with no friends
2020-07-20 01:56
stop living in the past maybe ? your way of crying remind me of fallen
2020-07-20 03:08
LOL GLORYHUNTING ASTRALIS FAN XAXA, I am being honest, I am not even a die hard fan of SK but this is obvious, SK in their prime would destroy Astralis with their firepower
2020-07-20 04:00
Astralis destroyed prime SK several times lmfao the fact that the shit core havent won anything for 3 years straight says something about how overrated and bad they were, just subhuman waste from poorzil 3rd world
2020-07-21 17:04
the main reason device doesnt get top 1 is because his competition for it in the last 2 years were 2 players with the highest ceiling in history, not guardian or flusha lmao. hes been a better player in pretty much every metric compared to coldzera except pure stats. eye test, impact, a harder role. the amount of resources he requires etc.
2020-07-18 19:43
Wtf are you talking about, Astralis were very dominant in 2019, even s1mple or zywoo were better and had to carry their teams... You have shown your intellect their and name checks out... you are some gloryhunting Dan-ish potato kid...Device is in no way mechanically better than coldzera because he never got number 1 lol and also he is a good team player but not the raw best at all. Even NBK was better than him and he didn't even reach the top 20 iirc.
2020-07-18 21:42
lmfao. then i guess electronic is also mechanically trash. and how does the ranking determine a players mechanical skill? niko is obviously more skilled than coldzera but was ranked below him.
2020-07-18 21:59
wtf are you on about, coldzera was the goat in his year and then both dropped off like with zywoo and s1mple then niko slowly, gradually became better than him. What are you smoking, let me have some of it
2020-07-18 22:03
cold was literally never better mechanically than niko unless niko had some period where he couldnt use his right hand which i dont know about (and id still not wonder if niko was worse). niko has arguably the best aim of all time in csgo, coldzera doesnt come close to that.
2020-07-18 22:06
why was device ranked higher than elige, i would argue that elige had better mechanical skill in 2019
2020-07-18 22:37
no he didnt. and where have i said that the ranking is based on mechanical skill? :D
2020-07-18 22:42
i never said that ranking was based on mechanical skill, that's why most top 1s have won at least 1 major that year or won a multitude of big events that year as well as having a very high statistical rating. Greatness also comes off of team achievements which is why device should be considered the undisputed goat until s1mple gets 1-2 majors
2020-07-18 22:46
no, but you implied that ive said that.
2020-07-18 22:47
ok mens, i was trying to reply to EU flag men trying to say that mechanical skill was the sole factor in ranking
2020-07-18 22:49
2020-07-18 22:51
wtf are you drinking dude, cold literally carried SK, during that time cold was blatantly better than Niko, the time he was ranked number 1 was when he deserved it... I think you are some kid so you wouldn't know kekw
2020-07-19 02:38
lmfao. cold always had an amazing team with tons of firepower that gave him a LOT of resources when he was #1.
2020-07-19 02:39
Nah it is common consensus that cold pretty much carried SK, unlike dev1ce, you are high on weed or something kid, you are trying to reverse the arguements but it doesn't work and it makes you sound retarded dude
2020-07-19 02:41
hahaha. youre so delusional.
2020-07-19 02:41
nice arguements kids, you are clearly on some other meth shit, prime SK would beat Astralis with way less firepower just like how Navi beat them, end of.
2020-07-19 03:24
firepower is everything +1 thats why liquid keeps getting rekt by lowstralis.
2020-07-19 04:17
liquid doesn't have enough firepower than SK or NAVI LOL, they are just another trash NA team xaxaxa
2020-07-19 04:17
lmfao. liquid has insane firepower.
2020-07-19 04:18
that is why astralis almost always destroyed them, delusional and you aren't speaking english
2020-07-19 10:45
pathetic 3rd worlder so mad hahaha Astralis destoyed them with superior team play everybody knows that, keep crying that Astralis will forever be the greatest team to play the game, 4 majors 1 IGS 20+ t1 trophies, no1 is even close
2020-07-21 17:07
I never said that mechanical skill was the sole factor in the ranking wtf? It obviously isn't, doesn't mean that dev1ce ranked number 3 can't be mechanically worse than elige
2020-07-19 02:39
Denmark Jonasnhj
2020-07-18 23:50
It depends. Some over aggressive team would probably beat them.
2020-07-16 11:44
By luck probably yes. But astralis prime is for example the 32-2 vs faze or every single major playoffs I think no one can come close. Astralis would need a bad day to lose a bo3 vs someone
2020-07-16 11:45
32-2 isnt astralis prime If u take that astralis as a prime Liquid was better in this days
2020-07-16 11:49
32-2 happened after berlin major dude Liquid shit the bed after that summer pause. Astralis was clearly back to prime form
2020-07-16 11:51
pre london ~ london astralis >>>>> post london pre katowice astralis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> post berlin astralis > post ecs 2016 astralis > post katowice 2019 astralis
2020-07-17 05:59
Boston 2018 astralis?
2020-07-17 15:32
pre boston is post ecs 2016 astralis aka kjaerbye lineup post boston is pre london
2020-07-17 16:55
what about post eleague 2017 astralis?
2020-07-17 16:52
thats the same as post ecs 2016 astralis lmao
2020-07-17 16:54
2020-07-18 19:45
liquid was still top 3 until the end of 2019
2020-07-18 22:38
so prime fnatic would be fit for the job
2020-07-16 11:51
+1 but only with 2016 tec9
2020-07-16 12:02
Astralis prime > everyone
2020-07-16 11:44
Spain 1996
astralis ultimate goat
2020-07-16 11:45
SK prime would wipe the floor with them.
2020-07-16 11:46
SK prime couldn't even create their own era xaxaxa
2020-07-16 11:48
Gr8 b8 m8
2020-07-16 11:49
You disagree? When did SK have their era and what tournaments did they win?
2020-07-16 11:50
United Kingdom Biiddy
I mean they won back to back majors soooooo...
2020-07-16 11:59
And lost everything in between
2020-07-16 11:59
"saving strats for major" kkkkkkk
2020-07-16 12:02
same astralis actually
2020-07-16 12:36
? not at all ?
2020-07-17 17:10
2020-07-18 12:50
2019 astralis not 2018 one
2020-07-18 22:20
Latvia IzzoR
m8 who cares about inbetween shit lmao.
2020-07-17 11:16
They only won 3 tournaments in 2016, 2 of them were majors, nice era lul
2020-07-16 12:11
United Kingdom Biiddy
I stand corrected, I remember them being really good but looking back on there results it does look as though they played pretty bad inbetween majors
2020-07-16 12:12
They played really good in 2017 actually, they won like 6 big events i think, but they also lost so many events to teams like Faze, Astralis, G2, VP. But Prime Astralis barely lost any tournaments in 2018
2020-07-16 12:18
They actually didn't lose any bo3s to faze? Especially in finals :D
2020-07-16 12:29
Maybe they didnt lose any bo3 to faze, but Faze still won 3 big events that year because SK lost to other teams
2020-07-16 12:43 They had 9-12th finishes that year. Prime Astralis never had that
2020-07-16 12:45
never said they didnt
2020-07-16 12:50
No matter how you look at it, prime fallen , prime cold and prime fer are better than prime glaive , prime device and prime dupreeh.
2020-07-16 12:18
Then why didnt they dominate the scene like Astralis did in 2018?
2020-07-16 12:19
I'd say the scene was more competitive around SK ''era'', also u had golden 5 VP Boiz who still could poppop. Im not saying astralis era wasnt competitive, But alot of teams were ''lost'' and in ''slumps'' There was no proper ''top3'' teams except astralis at #1 etc. they had their own ''tier'' while the rest of the teams struggled inbetween shuffles etc.
2020-07-16 12:23
If other teams were competitive enough to beat Astralis, they wouldn't have needed those shuffles. Astralis was too good, other teams werent bad
2020-07-16 12:46
Wdym? Other teams were horrendous. simply look at their history, they'd lose against fooken t4 teams back and forth. If you're honestly trying to neglect this I'mma stop responding, there's no need for me to argue with a EXTREMELY blind astralisfan.
2020-07-16 14:12
Tier3-4 teams can always upset tier1 teams, it wasnt happening only back then. You think other teams were horrendous because Astralis was too good for them. And its stupid to think that every single top10 teams were not performing well only because of shuffles
2020-07-16 15:59
So you would say, in astralis era, the other teams were incredibly competitive, just like in the sk ''era''. but astralis was just ahead of them, with not a single, SINGLE team being able to win anything vs them, ALTHOUGH analysts and everything even spoke on the matter. I hope you realise how extremely dumb it sounds.
2020-07-17 05:00
And you are saying that every team was affected by shuffles for MORE THAN A YEAR
2020-07-17 11:17
Yes? Why could that NOT be the case? Elaborate. Why do You think it'd take a week for a team to feel comfortable? Also they replaced within replacements.
2020-07-17 13:58
it doesnt take one week, but it doesnt take a whole year either. After playing 1-2 big events, teams should be comfortable with each other
2020-07-17 14:30
Na'vi was in a slump(Not simple individual wise) But the whole team itself, with the guardian shuffle and all. Faze trading players back and forth. Nip trading players back and forth SK, well yeah, u know where that book ended. I could keep going on. this is an useless debate since you wont change your mind cus you're way too entitled to your opinion, and i'll fully respect that, have a great day.
2020-07-17 16:28
I'm not the one who is too entitled to my opinion. You just cant accept that prime Astralis was a good team. Keep telling yourself that ahuffles are the reason why Astralis dominated the scene MORE THAN FUCKING A YEAR
2020-07-17 16:45
They were a good team? I never neglected that, you're trying to act as if they were on a whole new level compared to every other ''Prime team'' while that simply isnt the truth. As i said, ur way too entitled, and it keeps showing message after message. have a gr8 day now, wont respond anymore.
2020-07-17 19:40
They were on another level compared to other prime teams, but you are free to think otherwise
2020-07-17 20:04
I'm the blindest sk fan, even knowing that someone can prove me wrong. I think the team that won the two majors were the most talented team ever. But they didn't have the other things Astralis had. All miBR on their streams seem to love fnx, why they kicked him at the time? And taco, he isn't playing well ever since he came back, but they keep loyal to him (but at the time they kicked him too). They could have the talent, but they never had the mind to be better than prime astralis
2020-07-17 15:06
taco isnt playing well ever since he started playing.
2020-07-18 22:52
Not for you, comparing to danish players he isn't. He was actually one of the best in his generation in Brazil
2020-07-19 01:57
Every single analyst was talking about ''no team is able to get into the meta properly'' etc.
2020-07-16 14:14
Because they don't have the mentality Astralis have. They couldn't keep a lineup. They couldn't even keep playing together. Who drops a player (fnx) after 2 majors back to back? I don't know wtf happens to this core, but they never had the commitment to each other that astralis have
2020-07-17 15:01
Netherlands Titanos
cuz FNX's a dick?
2020-07-18 13:16
He is, but a dick is hard to replace
2020-07-18 22:29
2020-07-16 12:14
They had a little chance in Katowice 2019 but everyone knows how it ended up
2020-07-16 12:58
thats prime sk lmao.
2020-07-19 04:20
2020-07-16 14:16
2020-07-16 14:27
but how can a team that got obliterated in a major playoff by kjaerbye Astralis think to compete with prime Astralis, that didn't drop a single map in 3 straight majors' playoffs?
2020-07-16 14:33
Because that wasn't prime sk playing. We are talking about best ever SK and best ever astralis for one game. And in that sitiation , prime sk beats prime astralis.
2020-07-16 15:34
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Denmark LJSI
No way prime sk beats prime astralis. The results of the two teams speak for themselves, and if you compare the teams by players astralis is also ahead Prime device = prime cold Prime dupreeh = prime fer Prime xyp > prime taco LUL Prime magisk > prime fnx Prime glaive < prime fallen Btw any team with taco in it can never be considered truly good
2020-07-17 18:59
Netherlands Titanos
Prime cold >>> prime device any day of the week, what are you on about?
2020-07-18 13:17
Toft | 
Denmark LJSI
cold overrated, we see now in faze how bad he really is
2020-07-18 18:21
Netherlands Titanos
you expect a brazilian guy to perform well in an international team just as much as in a brazilian team built around him? 2 times number 1 player of the year, 2 major MVPs, he ain't overrated.
2020-07-18 19:32
how is he better? device gets way more impact frags and is statistically identical while taking less from his teammates.
2020-07-18 20:09
Netherlands Titanos
COLDZERA: 1.25 all matches. 1.32 on major. DEVICE: 1.28 rating all matches. 1.28 on major. All of those taken in their best years, and still Cold coming out on top. Factor in that Device is an AWPer in a SUPER SOLID SYSTEM with an amazing IGL, Coldzera stats-wise comes on top. Maybe the AWP gets more impact frags, but the entry is so important. Just go look at some video's on why Cold's the GOAT:
2020-07-18 23:08
since when is coldzera the entry? i guarantee you device has a much higher amount of entries (not just opening kills, but actual entries into sites etc.), he routinely goes in first on certain maps. cold had maybe even the best setup of any star player. coldzera also had a super solid system and he had it setup in his favor way more than device. his rosters also had more firepower than astralis.
2020-07-18 23:18
lmao astralis without their best player and nowhere near their prime.
2020-07-19 04:23
Europe Vallon4
0/8 Astralis are on a completely different level.
2020-07-17 17:00
SK with in-form cold , fallen , fer , fnx and taco would beat in-form astralis any day of the weak , bo1 , bo3 , bo5 or even a bo7 , I can bet money on this.
2020-07-17 17:34
And you would lose money on it as well.
2020-07-18 12:51
In-form cold , fer and fallen were all top 3 at one point. Astralis only had device in top 3 with his best position being nr 2 while cold managed top 1 2 years running.
2020-07-18 13:12
Toft | 
Denmark LJSI
they still had taco and fnx who are/were hot garbage
2020-07-18 18:23 Fnx was never hot garbage.He would rarely outfrag the big 3 obviously but he was consistant in what he did and rarely droped a below 1 rating. Well taco is just taco but his sole purpose was to be a bait for cold and it worked in that way.
2020-07-18 20:14
fnx was top 20 at a point
2020-07-18 22:39
TACO had great stats at both majors
2020-07-18 22:39
how can you compare the top 3 of 2016 and 17 to top 3 of 2018 and 19 lmao? device in the last 2 years was a better player than cold in those years.
2020-07-18 20:11
Why ?
2020-07-18 20:11
2020-07-18 20:12
Why cant I compare them ? Based of what can I not compare them ?
2020-07-18 20:15
because the players competing were on a different level. zywoo and s1mple are the 2 best players in the entirety of csgo. device had a performance that would be enough for a top 1 in any other previous year.
2020-07-18 20:16
Device performance of 2018 and 2019 would NEVER beat what cold did in 2016 and 2017.Even Nikos peak in 2017 was higher than devices in both 2018 and 2019.
2020-07-18 20:18
no it wasnt lmao. even device compared to cold in 2016 basically gives a win to cold only because of the achievements.
2020-07-18 20:58
the comparison is pretty stupid. shows completely different stats when you go to the player's profile etc. i really doubt cold's ever had a higher impact rating device xdddd
2020-07-18 21:10
I dunno how it works but I did it anyways.
2020-07-18 21:10
its borked.
2020-07-18 21:11
and its still idiotic to just compare stats.
2020-07-19 04:24
astralis was fucking legendary earlier, in their prime times, i don't think any team could defeat their peak and tryharding performance, not even todays big ofc
2020-07-16 11:48
Maybe navi/vitality/or any other team with a strong kennyS. With s1mple, zywoo, or kennys (at his peak) in a perfect day, playing over agressive, and the rest of their team playing at their best level, everything is possible! Now if you speak of a long period peak for a team i think no one ever had the chemistry astralis reached...
2020-07-16 11:50
Faze at their peak and Liquid. Even then liquid at their prime would have still lost to Astralis (grand slam period). Watching Astralis was so fucking boring, but it’s undeniable they are the goat.
2020-07-16 11:51
SK, Fnatic ez
2020-07-16 11:52
What do you consider prime Astralis?
2020-07-16 12:00
Pakistan LoOuU2
the one you see in Major playoffs ?
2020-07-16 12:20
There’s been like 4 different Astralis’s that have reached major playoffs.
2020-07-16 12:21
Pakistan LoOuU2
nope , only 2 different . And even in those 2 different lineups there was only one changed player. Astralis are currently 18-0 in last 3 Major playoffs , it can be generalized
2020-07-16 12:22
i think he meant lineups that included the core of xyp, device and dupreeh.
2020-07-18 20:11
Pakistan LoOuU2
Oh. In that case, my bad
2020-07-18 22:10
2018-2019 Xyp9x gla1ve device magiskboy dupreeh
2020-07-16 12:32
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Spain mokerz
im nip fangay but fnatic pronax era so ez
2020-07-16 12:06
sdy | 
Sweden god_sdy
Astralis in their prime were untouchable. When you look at most teams that had an era they always had a weak link but were able to dominate because the game was alot more forgiving for their top players back then. Astralis with 5 star players would smash a team with pronax, Fifflaren, NEO or TACO... Most of these teams revolved around star players that were ahead of everybody else. VP with Snax, Fnatic with JW, Flusha and olof, NiP with f0rest + GTR, SK with coldzera/FalleN
2020-07-16 12:08
5 star players lmfao. they have 1 star and 4 good role players. 80% of the team were nowhere near as good before this lineup. device is the only person whos performed same and sometimes even better before. its just a perfect mix so that they cover the other players weakness.
2020-07-18 20:14
Nah I think you make a point though that their individual skill sometimes is forgotten because they play their respective roles perfectly. gla1ve, dupreeh, Magisk and Xyp9x would be stars for their respective teams if they somehow decided to break up Astralis. Given that they play those roles, of course.
2020-07-18 21:57
thats not what i said at all. i meant that gla1ve, dupreeh and xyp9x are all overrated as individuals
2020-07-18 22:00
I beg to differ, dupreeh is one of the strongest individuals on the team tbh. Just look at how he handled the star duties, both as an awper and rifler while dev1ce was on leave. gla1ve and Xyp9x are definitely strong individuals too. And when I say "star potential" I'm not saying these guys will leave Astralis and instantly become top1 HLTV or be even close to ZyWoO or s1mple. I'm just saying these players are alot better than people give them credit for.
2020-07-18 22:04
dupreeh was pretty weak on the main awp and people called him better than device for some reason. he played to his usual standards with the rifle. im not saying dupreeh is bad or anything, hes obviously an amazing player, but i often see people calling him better than device etc. which he definitely isnt. gla1ve is getting tons of praise as some kinda fragging god just because he's the igl even though he had a negative kd last year. maybe ive gone a bit too far on xyp though. he's probably the best of all time in his role, he's really good at solo holding, clutching, has decent spray. i do think people give him a bit too much credit in terms of raw skill though. astralis isn't anywhere near having 5 star players and calling astralis a team like that is somewhat disrespectful towards device and magisk.
2020-07-18 22:13
get ur head outof ur ass. all astralis players in top13 players 2018, all but igl in top20 2019.
2020-07-19 15:25
I think Navi kato 2020 form can give them strong competition.
2020-07-16 12:08
+1 also faze in prime
2020-07-16 12:12
2020-07-16 12:15
2020-07-18 23:51
if we can take just one tournament then I would nominate london 2018 Astralis as a worthy foe for 2020 kato Navi
2020-07-21 19:30
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W
Only NaVi 2010.
2020-07-16 12:10
2020-07-16 12:15
what about sk swe 2003
2020-07-18 19:38
Bosnia and Herzegovina mirzach0W
i dont think they were that good, scene just wasnt that big and tactical.
2020-07-18 20:14
Liquid has a chance against them as long as its not a grand final (in grand final they choke so hard)
2020-07-16 12:13
NaVi from Katowice 2020 NaVi 2010 easy
2020-07-16 12:16
2020-07-16 12:49
Astralis could regularly lose to SK and Fnatic in their prime They could also struggle to NiP in their prime They would probably beat every french team in their prime (LDLC, Titan, etc)
2020-07-16 12:27
u think prime astralis would not bully the shit out of fifflaren? LMAO
2020-07-19 15:27
yeah gtr and f0rest were really good
2020-07-19 16:17
yeah but u cant bring noob like fiff against the prime astralis and get away with it even with godlike players.
2020-07-19 17:21
SK Gaming 2016 during their prime which was around the ESL One Cologne time would have a pretty good shot I would say.
2020-07-16 12:30
Hungary vori981118
fnatic with pronax would have the best chance against them. Other maybe SK with cold and fnx
2020-07-16 12:40
No discussion. No team comes even close to Astralis prime, even tve best team besides astralis in the history of conter-strike in their prime should be happy if they could get just 5 rounds against them.
2020-07-16 12:50
2020-07-17 07:49
2015 fnatic were better imo, and if they could put it into a test, id go with fnatic
2020-07-16 12:57
lmao no
2020-07-16 12:57
Lol yes, fnatics overly aggressive playstyle would be a perfect combo for a calmminded tactical team. Obviously the skill itself has risen since those days, but if you'd put a prime fnatic vs a prime astralis, fnatic would most likely win cus of, as mentioned, their playstyle.
2020-07-17 16:29
Looking at Fnatics aggressive style in their prime, makes me Think of a budget Furia.. The level of teamplay, strats and thoughts behind decisions was so bad...
2020-07-18 13:24
i doubt it, astralis wouldve probably antistratted and punished them.
2020-07-18 20:14
Hard to anti-strat such a wild playstyle. the reason they managed to stomp was cus there was no proper way to actually Deny their type of plays. To put it in perspective. Fnatic was 5 players(in this case, gorillas) put in a labyrinth, somewhere in that labyrinth there's this 1 last banana hidden(Bombsites) and they'll go different ways, over the walls, literally not thinking, simply trying to ''reach'' that goal. It's gonna be super hard to counter something that isnt really counterable. U simply have to take the gorillas down before they reach the banana. TLDR, You need to outaim a team like that, strats usually doesnt work that well, if you dont have a super fast paced strat vs an overly-aggressive team :P
2020-07-19 19:58
In their prime time they'd train everybody and teams would rarely get double digit rounds in maps vs them, so it's hardly a discussion.
2020-07-16 12:58
FaZe in their prime is much better (ESL One NY 2017)
2020-07-16 13:43
Denmark KalasYoP
2020-07-16 13:44
Strongest yes, unbeatable no
2020-07-16 14:25
NiP magic <3
2020-07-17 05:25
Maybe Liquid during that one time in iBP masters where prime Astralis lost. First match for stew on Liquid but even then Liquid were tied 1-1 and had to do a massive comeback against them. I know Im gonna lose my mind if this happens but I would have a good laugh if Astralis bans Train when they face off Liquid lol
2020-07-17 05:38
Other stekin
I wanna see prime astralis vs 2017 sk or major winning SK. or prime astralis vs 2014 fnatic
2020-07-17 05:41
I would love to see a final four of this primes. NIP PRIME VS SK PRIME ASTRALIS PRIME VS FNATIC PRIME Bring back emotional cs again :(
2020-07-17 05:43
2020-07-18 20:36
fnatic would have a chance in raw firepower, same for 2019 liquid, MAYBE SK/LG if they were having an especially good day astralis should still in the majority of the time
2020-07-17 05:50
fl0m could 1v5 them 16-0 on a good day tbh. fl0m>device
2020-07-18 22:58
if only mythic actually practiced 🙃🙃
2020-07-19 01:37
fl0m doesnt need to practice. hes the most talented player ive ever seen.
2020-07-19 01:48
2020-07-19 02:10
Germany Yun0
i think sk in 2016 or vp 2014 fnatic 2013/2014
2020-07-17 05:59
Faze at their VERY best could take Astralis But it didn’t last for very long
2020-07-17 06:22
Well I think you would have to consider a multitude of factors here. First off you have the fact that over the years the CS map pool has changed from the removal of Dust, Cache, Cobble etc. So teams from different eras could not really match up that way. Furthermore, newer teams have an advantage since they existed in a time past the metas where older teams prevailed in. For example the meta today takes in to consideration the style that previously dominant teams played in order to neutralize them. But for fun, if we were to combine the metas a little bit and switch up the map pool to a middle ground, I actually think that Astralis would be quite beatable. Let's say that instead of Vertigo, Cache was in the pool. Now you see the peak AStralis that we know and love has a huge map pool issue. They have two maps that they don't play. So lets say we pit up the peak FaZe clan roster with karrigan, GuardiaN, and Olof against them. Since FaZe were actually really good on Cache the map veto would go something like this. Astralis ban Mirage FaZe ban Nuke Astralis pick Inferno FaZe pick Cache Astralis ban Train FaZe ban Dust 2 Decider Overpass. FaZe would take Cache easily and Astralis would take Inferno. Overpass would be close and I can see it going either way. Lets take the prime SK gaming roster. We would obviously have to change the map pool again to fit both eras. So, lets say we put in Cobblestone in for Vertigo, then the ban would be really interetsing SK ban Nuke Astralis ban Mirage SK pick Train Astralis pick Inferno SK bans Dust 2 Astralis bans Cobble Overpass decider. Here I say SK takes it 2-1 or 2-0
2020-07-17 07:31
Astralis wold take win quick 2-0 or 2-1 over FaZe (because Astralis sometimes was in a very beast mode on cache) Astralis wold win SK 2-1 (they wold loose only inferno because of Wallen, fer and Coldzera)
2020-07-18 13:53
Ok Astralis would win Inferno but lose on both the other maps vs SK. Astralis was never good on cache
2020-07-18 20:32
I doubt that any team would be able to beat Astralis just because they worked as a unit. They had the best teamwork and not just like 1 or 2 two guys going over the top
2020-07-17 08:10
Germany jermens))
the meta constantly changes m8
2020-07-17 08:15
Prime Liquid
2020-07-17 12:55
Argentina jturi
Yeap! I`d like to add VS --> the craziness of fnatic too.
2020-07-17 12:57
prime liquid lost to astralis 2-0 every time. You're delusional
2020-07-17 17:45
2019 summer liquid Dumb fuck
2020-07-17 17:49
They lost to Astralis 2-0
2020-07-17 17:50
Dumb or retarded? I think you live in Africa and don't know difference between hot summer and cool autumn
2020-07-17 18:24
Best version of Liquid lost to Astralis without taking a map.
2020-07-17 18:32
Epl season 9 -_-
2020-07-17 19:00
barely won against a bad astralis.
2020-07-18 20:55
And good Astralis lost to decent liquid at ibp
2020-07-18 21:04
one match out of like 20.
2020-07-18 21:11
Good contenders: Na'Vi 2020 Katowice Liquid 2019 IGS run SK 2016/2017 @ majors Fnatic 2015 NiP 87-0 And Astralis still would probably win like around 8 out of 10 of their matches against each of these. Also depends on some other conditions such as which CS we are playing, e.g. 2015 and 2020 cs are quite differently balanced in terms of maps/guns/economics.
2020-07-17 13:07
Poland NAR1
Prime Astralis is the best team ever in Counter Strike, no one ever has even come close to their prime level /close
2020-07-17 13:08
2020-07-17 13:11
CS is a game of 90% skill / 10% luck - So any top 15 team would probably be able to beat Astralis, Astralis would just win 9/10 games. :)
2020-07-17 13:13
FaZe in their prime ez))
2020-07-17 13:22
Kazakhstan jetlEG
Fnatic at prime = astralis at prime Both were like a freaking robots
2020-07-17 13:27
2020-07-17 16:47
Germany sommares
2020-07-17 13:28
Prime liquid would've given them a run for their money.
2020-07-17 14:37
Prime EG actually did beat them in New York after the major. Don't actually know if Astralis was as strong then but they went on to win a few more tournaments to end the year so I suppose this would count.
2020-07-17 14:50
that was nowhere near prime astralis.
2020-07-18 20:56
Ukraine FGVM
Old NIP would probably beat them, they had a much better winstreak
2020-07-17 15:07
why is this a question, no older team would even get 10 rounds in a bo3 against them
2020-07-17 15:34
Prime astralis vs peak na'vi would be fun.
2020-07-17 16:31
Only Liquid could in my opinion
2020-07-17 17:01
Europe Vallon4
Astralis at their peak was unbeatable. Pretty sure this was also said by analysts, boombl4 also more or less said this. Teams could barely get double digits against them, 16-0'd SK's core in a major, 32-2'd FaZe, basically started a bo3 with an automatic win due to Inferno and Nuke, utility was like precision nukes, complete shutdown of opponent star players, destroying other tier 1 teams... no other team has done shit like this, not even close. By the way, it's pretty much pointless to count peaks of teams like fnatic, NiP, SK, since they played in a much easier time, in basically a different game. Only teams after 2018, where Astralis kind of reinvented the meta, can be compared. Any team before that gets decimated. The closest team to prime Astralis were prime Liquid.
2020-07-17 17:10
im pretty sure they also went for like 6 or 7 months straight with double digits in every single match. insane.
2020-07-18 21:13
AM | 
Asia Yarrak
how do we know 2018 cs is really that far ahead of 2015 cs tho
2020-07-19 00:08
>By the way, it's pretty much pointless to count peaks of teams like fnatic, NiP, SK, since they played in a much easier time, in basically a different game retarded as fuck, its called recency bias. there are multiple times past 2016 where the level of teams dropped harshly {including this current scene). more recent year does not autoamtically mean teams were worse
2020-07-19 04:46
Prime Gambit Krakow 2017 ez
2020-07-17 17:16
prime astralis lost to north with msl, so best team north?
2020-07-17 17:37
prime faze prime fnatic prime sk prime navi would all have won
2020-07-17 17:40
Dominican Republic Numb_
prime astralis vs prime fnatic <3
2020-07-17 17:43
Fnatic would own them
2020-07-17 17:45
astralis prime would beat anyone and if u say otherwise ur a delusional faggot
2020-07-17 17:52
United Kingdom Hammondo
Prime astralis is the best team by far and the only best team who didn't get replaced by the next best team, astralis just got bored and tired. Fnatic was also really good.
2020-07-17 18:44
Poland Kazk
Prime VP would beat them Ez
2020-07-17 19:11
PGL Krakow 2017 was such a huge let down, both Astralis and VP lost in semis. Could've been an amazing final.
2020-07-17 19:29
ez lose from 13-8 to tec9 to lose final 14-16 XAXAXAXAXXA
2020-07-18 19:43
If astralis was a 100, fnatic would be like 70, sk would be 60, prime nip and envyus with Kenny and apex 50. Liquid 40
2020-07-18 13:15
Senor Vac in his prime (if u know what i mean) would win prime astralis
2020-07-18 13:19
I know .. and i agree with you +99
2020-07-18 19:50
Objectively, Astralis has been the best team in terms of stability, achievements, strategies and consistency so far.
2020-07-18 13:21
Germany Constikdw
Prime fnatic with prime olof, jw and flusha would have a decent chance imo
2020-07-18 13:24
Maybe if the utility usage wasnt this much important
2020-07-18 20:22
Germany Constikdw
Well flusha is one of the three best, maybe the best player in terms of grenade usage. But agreed, the others should improve a bit.
2020-07-18 20:42
Nepal sasukeee
Prime 2015 Fnatic may be.
2020-07-18 13:29
During the others prime was No uttility or strats included astralis would most likely beat All (My opinion)
2020-07-18 13:57
fnatic with pronax and olof > this crap
2020-07-18 19:42
Depends on the meta cause no two eras existed in the same meta ,so its reta*** to say who was better lol
2020-07-18 20:21
prime nip yeah nip not won so many majors as astralis but they was so dominant even better than astralis imb4 in 5 seconds haters > no competition bla bla
2020-07-18 20:34
Chile gentleeH
maybe SK with peak cold, fer, fallen could give them a sweat. But at their peak, Astralis strats and nades were just unbeatable.
2020-07-18 20:59
India S2H
Maybe the VP golden 5 line could have beat anyone
2020-07-18 21:02
Original Golden Five would cruch them
2020-07-18 21:12
I would of loved to see prime Astralis (Device, Xyp, Glave, Dupreeh, Magisk) vs. Prime Fnatic (late 2015) Olof, Krimz, JW, Flusha, Dennis. No team in history comes close to the dominance Astralis had in those runs. It's not even about how much they won but more about the way they were winning, going through entire tournaments without losing a map, rarely allowing double digit rounds for opponents, embarrassing other top teams making them look like silvers etc.
2020-07-18 21:38
Stop making threads about tier 2 team
2020-07-18 22:31
"prime Astralis vs any other team during their prime?" imo, yes closed.
2020-07-18 22:39
Prime Astralis vs Prime Virtus.Plow
2020-07-18 22:54
Portugal CRMN1
not really much to discuss tbh. prime astralis is the best team to ever touch csgo
2020-07-18 23:01
2020-07-18 23:43
astralis is a very tactical team and almost makes no mistake so I win everything, but I believe that only in the bullet they can’t beat SK and LIQUID, astralis in fact have a great powerfire but I couldn’t be the best just with that so I believe that maybe SK and LIQUID would be able to beat them, now because SK was the best, SK had an incredible powerfire and also a very good tactic and also made almost no mistakes, LIQUID in my opinion only had powerfire, but I believe they would have a chance
2020-07-18 23:55
Random MM boys
2020-07-18 23:56
Navi at their katowice 2020 prime
2020-07-19 01:45
United States tw1isttv
Honestly prime Astralis vs prime Liquid would be in my opinion a phenomenal match-up. I would prefer a bo5 just so then they can play minimum 3 maps. I also think that honestly either of these teams could take it because both teams in their prime were literally unstoppable, and two unstoppable teams played each other it would make for some of the greatest CS to be played/watched.
2020-07-19 04:19
United States tw1isttv
It would be Insane tactics against insane firepower, not saying Astralis don't have firepower but they rely a lot more on team play/tactics vs liquid rely's on firepower, this is just my take but I feel like there is a lot of potential for a lot of the top teams for "prime" versions.
2020-07-19 04:24
prime SK gaming wins
2020-07-19 05:08
Prime astralis vs online BIG
2020-07-19 11:05
Yup, the best Astralis is the strongest team we ever seen so far. And those that say othjerwise have really not thought about it, or dont understand sport and progression. The sport overall has gotten better since NIP was the best for once, so even though NIP was extreme and had the 2 best era ever, put that team as they played back then to play against top teams of today and they would lose because cs overall has become so much harder and better, team play, tactics and everything around has been lifted.. So no matter how good they where back then, how the game was played was much weaker compared to now. Astralis became the best team while all teams where pro and good, and was so for 1-2 years on how you want to view it. Its not just about who you like or dislike, or if you are from Swede and want NIP to be it. Not just about loss and win record and such, but everything with the sport the workings and how other teams where in that time and all those things. And that leave a very clear picture, so its not just about a personal feeling but facts that lead to the point that prime Astralis is as of now the best team we ever had in CS.
2020-07-19 15:00
NaVi 2010 or NaVi kato 2020 form would smash 'em
2020-07-19 15:06
FaZe used to be the only team beating them easily in 2017/2018
2020-07-19 15:29
There is nothing to do discuss because it's apparent in your original post that bias is already proving to be strong enough to disrupt any other opinion other than your own. Prime Astralis is akin to Prime fnatic in terms of dominance but Prime core-NiP was technically the most dominant despite the times being unkind to the era in question.
2020-07-19 16:22
2020-07-19 16:31
Ence 100%
2020-07-19 16:34
prime fnatic ofc
2020-07-19 16:42
I BET ON 87 - 0 NIP. Because? They beat 72 - 10 Chicago bulls and 73 - 9 GSW record. Theres your answer.
2020-07-19 17:11
when u watch the last dance and think u know everything about basketball and start referencing it in unrelated topics smh
2020-07-19 20:17
NaVi > Prime Asstralis
2020-07-19 20:14
shitvi still majorless after 8 years KKKKKKKKK inbred 3rd worlders can never compete, simply too low IQ
2020-07-21 17:13
NaVi 4 majors and 9 major finals Asstralis 4 major and 4 major finals
2020-07-21 18:39
hahaha shit'vi 0 majors in CS.GO what useless trash team. Astralis 4 majors, 1 IGS 20+ t1 trophies >>>>>>> shit'vi
2020-07-21 18:51
hahaha asstralis 0 majors in 1.6 what useless trash team. NaVi 4 majors, 1st team to win 4 majors in a row >>>>>>>>>> Asstralis
2020-07-21 18:59
imagine playing this game for 8 years without winning any majors or IGS fuck that's pathetic, but what can i expect from the most inbred region of Europe axaxaxaxax Shit'Vi and pimple faced s0mple will never win a major axaxaxa
2020-07-21 19:00
mad cuz NaVi destroyed ur Asstralis and forced them to burn out xaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2020-07-21 19:01
mad cuz shit'vi fluked one tournament in 2 years then lost to t5 trash CIS dog teams meanwhile Astralis busy on holidays with their 4 major trophies axaxax shit'vi 0 majors, s0mple 0 majors axaxax
2020-07-21 19:03
mad cuz Asstralis haven't won a single lan event this decade and they are scared to play so NaVi dont destroy them again. xaxaxaxaxaxa
2020-07-21 19:04
Astralis can take month long vacations and shit'vi still couldn't win anything axaxaxax 0 major trash team fluked 1 tournament in 3 years then fell down to t5 again axaxaxax Astralis destroyed their last chance of ever winning a major in London axaxaxax
2020-07-21 19:06
Asstralis scared to play against NaVi thats why hiding in their bedroom instead of competing like all teams. NaVi won most stacked LAN event in CSGO History and you call it fluke? kkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-07-21 19:09
Astralis been destroying shit'vi for 8 years straight, ruining every chance they got to win a major, shit'vi only succes is winning a crowdless corona tournament cause they get so nervous and scared playing infront of people axaxaxaxax what happened right after the fluke in katowice? they lost to fucking north axaxaxax
2020-07-21 19:13
NaVi 9 majors final 4 major wins Asstralis 4 majors final 4 majors wins NaVi 5 majors final in a row 4 majors win in a row Asstralis 3 majors final in a row 3 majors win in a row NaVi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asstralis /closed
2020-07-21 19:15
navi will disband in 2021 and s1mple will suck tabsen's dick for a spot in BIG
2020-07-21 19:17
NaVi GOAT Team will never disband. BUG ahahahah. They will be out of top 30 when LAN events start. Delusional haters like you can keep hating :)
2020-07-21 19:58
exactly s1mple will be sucking dick to join a somewhat irrelevant team because no team will want a bot ass like him KEKW
2020-07-21 19:59
GOAT player don't need to worry about teams :)
2020-07-21 20:01
0 majors
2020-07-21 20:13
shit'vi 0 majors in CS:GO Astralis gods 4 majors more than any other team + first intel grand slam ever + countless other trophies Shit'Vi completely irrelevant in CS:GO, they could only compete in the irrelevant dogshit that was 1.6 where people played for a box of sodas LMFAO /closed, go seek mental help you need it
2020-07-21 19:17
I mean Navi katowice 2020 in the playoffs were insanely dominant.. Rekt liquid, astralis and G2 pretty bad.. But yeah that was a really small run but insanely dominent and also only navi is the team who has beaten astralis everytime in 2020 like 3 or 4 times.. Maybe new kryptonite of astralis, that would be sick
2020-07-19 20:15
Luken | 
Sweden fxzo
idk but I would love to see prime SK vs Astralis, it would be an insane game
2020-07-19 20:22
India Detrax
faze probably
2020-07-21 17:09
2020-07-21 18:51
sAw > prime astralis
2020-07-21 19:07
prime north beat prime astralis 2x in 1 tourney
2020-07-21 20:04
Prime skill based teams might be able to steal a series versus that. FaZe and Liquid at their very best come to mind when they just hit every shot.
2020-07-24 20:32
What do you consider Astralis Prime? If you talk about Mid 2018 to Early 2019 maybe FaZe have a chance. or according to pronax himself (I know seems unbelievable) Fnatic 2015.
2020-07-25 09:41
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Taiwan codv
does mouz at the end of last year count?
2020-07-25 09:43
Greece Nexpo
No one could beat them. Not even Online International Gaming (BIG)
2020-07-26 02:16
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