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The "GOAT"/"BOAT" conundrum...
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32 
Everyday on HLTV I see threads with either "GOAT"/"BOAT" in the title or something similar, referring to an "absolute" being used. Now, most of these threads are bait-threads made to entice other people into flaming or toxicity and the two prime examples of this are either: "s1mple" or "ZywOo" due to both being among the best skill-wise statistically currently. The problem are the words "GOAT" and "BOAT" meaning: Greatest of all Time or Best of all Time. Here in lies the conundrum... Forums alike that of HLTV operate on the basis of "OPINIONS", without the basis and premise of opinions, there would be no forum as there would be no debates, topical discussions or generally shared viewpoints. "GOAT"/"BOAT" being absolutes are exempt from opinions, they instil the thought and possibility of a single entity being the absolute greatest of all time/best of all time, therefore negating the premise and use of a forum whatsoever. There are many different opinions about the use of "GOAT"/"BOAT", it can neither be right or wrong as an absolute. For example, I'm not proposing we scrap the terms altogether, just realise the conundrum before using the terms so often it becomes so commonplace on HLTV. I'm sure we can all agree it's annoying to see the term everywhere all over topics, being used as bait and the like... It's unfair to everybody on HLTV. Opinions can either be collective opinions, or professional opinions. - Public opinions are commonplace and widespread amidst the entire forum. It's the public opinion which drives the forum, as everybody on HLTV is entitled to their own opinion, therefore making their mark on the forum as a whole. - Group opinions share the same ideology of the aforementioned but is generally discussed as a group. A comment getting several "+1's" is the basic premise of a group opinion on HLTV, people will either agree with your opinion or disagree with your opinion; yet again this being the driving force of a well-functioning forum platform. GOAT/BOAT go against the aforementioned principals... It's impossible to label just one person a "GOAT"/"BOAT" because it would be impractical and improbable to determine just one contender due to the amount of variables that would be needed. Bearing in mind in certain circumstances it may be possible but practically most of the time there can only be contenders for the role, not a guaranteed person indefinitely. There can be no intelligent, reasonable, fair discussion if users are going to start throwing the term "GOAT"/"BOAT" around like it's going out of fashion... It's a fair, respectable opinion to have but it's not absolute as fact, it's an opinion exactly like the two principals mentioned earlier. TL:DR:- - Stop using s1mple, ZywOo or any professionals as targets to make bait-like topics labelling either as "GOAT"/"BOAT" purposely to start flame-wars. - There will never be a fair discussion to be had if you use an absolute, you are entitled to your own opinion and that will be respected. There can only be contenders for a general consensus, not one single, individual absolute. - It's perfectly fine to think a player is the "GOAT"/"BOAT" as fanaticism but that doesn't make it factual either. - There is absolutely no reason why we cannot be nicer to one another on HLTV, it's the difference of opinions which make us unique as human beings... Users are allowed to have another opinion opposing another and that shouldn't make them wrong or right (within context depending on the discussion, of course...). - If you're going to use or utilise the term, please state it's your opinion beforehand as there can be no discussion otherwise. Thank you for reading and I wish you all a good day.
2020-07-19 20:47
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Bad bait
2020-07-19 20:50
14 replies
#2
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
The post is not bait. Did you assume so based on its length or because you don't agree with it?
2020-07-19 20:56
2 replies
#14
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Netherlands HetIsPatat
You did it again((
2020-07-19 20:56
1 reply
#16
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Fixed. Damned apostrophe. Thank you. :)
2020-07-19 20:57
#13
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United Kingdom alcazar4
+1 typical jonty bait
2020-07-19 20:55
9 replies
#32
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I do not bait on HLTV and as much as I get accused of doing so, that isn't going to change that either. Referring to me as a Schnauze is bait of your own but I'll never disrespect your opinions because you're entitled to them.
2020-07-19 21:03
8 replies
#44
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United Kingdom alcazar4
Referring to me as a Schnauze XD
2020-07-19 21:05
7 replies
#50
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Yes. It's German for nose and that means something to you personally as an inside joke but not to others... Like I said, I'll never take away that opinion. Think of me what you will but please remember to be respectful to others, friend.
2020-07-19 21:07
6 replies
#52
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United Kingdom alcazar4
haha no its slang for shut your mouth, nt jonty
2020-07-19 21:08
5 replies
#71
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Sure it is... ;)
2020-07-19 21:15
4 replies
#76
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United Kingdom alcazar4
schnauze jonty
2020-07-19 21:20
Halt die schnauze means "shut your mouth" and "Schnauze" is used as a shortened version of that
2020-07-22 14:10
2 replies
Yes I know this already. The user "alcazar4" who spams the word instantly assumes foul-play and bait of my posts, so in order to save embarrassment the user posts one word thinking it will change the meta. It won't... User h4ndo and Noth4ndo found out this out also. Except the word he spammed was less-subtle and offensive. EDIT: Typographical error.
2020-07-22 14:13
1 reply
#232
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United States Masshole
schnauze jonty
2020-09-23 04:04
nice boat
2021-03-04 02:59
Messi is the GOAT change my mind
2020-07-19 20:51
8 replies
#5
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Europe pianoiscool
flag checked
2020-07-19 20:53
Messi is The GOAT. Ronaldo is The BOAT.
2020-07-19 20:53
5 replies
BOAT is like saying: oh shit my idol is not a GOAT so I’m gonna create and give him BOAT title which is like your idol is not good so there is BOAT title. BOAT is for losers. There is either GOAT or no one. s1mple as that
2020-07-20 12:56
3 replies
Sorry. Device = GOAT ZywOo and S1mple battling for BOAT
2020-07-21 00:51
2 replies
You use the term like it's going out of fashion... All are veritable opinions.
2020-07-21 02:28
GOAT with zero top1 ? Nt. ZyWoo and s1mple battling for “oh I already have someone as GOAT and can’t leave you guys with some pathetic ass title such as BOAT”.
2020-07-21 07:55
What??? For goat you can debate cr7 vs messi but for the BOAT Messi is definitely considerably better. whoscored.com/Players/11119/History/Lion.. whoscored.com/Players/5583/History/Crist..
2020-12-11 00:12
#7
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's a respectable opinion to have. :)
2020-07-19 20:53
Loved to read this.
2020-07-19 20:54
2 replies
#8
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Thank you. :) What do you mean by DM, if you don't mind me asking?
2020-07-19 20:54
did you dm pp
2020-07-19 20:55
#9
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Turkey TheKaiser
Sir, why is this so long
2020-07-19 20:54
11 replies
#17
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
There is a TL:DR specifically for that.
2020-07-19 20:57
10 replies
#24
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Turkey TheKaiser
Even TL;DR is so long, respect for the effort ;)
2020-07-19 20:59
9 replies
#30
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
How is the TL:DR too long? It's in ballpoints?
2020-07-19 21:01
8 replies
#36
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Turkey TheKaiser
I mean, comparing to tother threads which are generally one or two sentence, it's a bit long but I might be wrong. I absolutely agree with what you wrote though.
2020-07-19 21:04
7 replies
#40
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Fair enough and thank you. :) Have a wonderful day, friend.
2020-07-19 21:04
6 replies
#51
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Turkey TheKaiser
Thanks, it's hard to find a kind user in HLTV nowadays :)
2020-07-19 21:07
5 replies
#53
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Agreed but rest assured there are plenty out there if you look hard enough. ^^
2020-07-19 21:08
1 reply
#59
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Turkey TheKaiser
Probably so, since I generally reply on more "controversial" threads.
2020-07-19 21:10
#58
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United Kingdom alcazar4
dont fall for his tricks, jonty is a drug smuggler and/or murderer do NOT trust him
2020-07-19 21:09
2 replies
murderer? OMEGALUL you mean serial killer
2020-07-19 21:24
1 reply
#82
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United Kingdom alcazar4
+1
2020-07-19 21:29
#10
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United Kingdom alcazar4
schnauze jonty
2020-07-19 20:54
EleGiggle DIDNT READ EleGiggle TOO LONG
2020-07-19 20:55
19 replies
#18
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
There is a TL:DR specifically for that.
2020-07-19 20:57
18 replies
EleGiggle DIDNT READ TLDR EleGiggle TOO LONG
2020-07-19 20:58
17 replies
#29
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Fair enough. Have a good day.
2020-07-19 21:01
16 replies
dude just saying don't take this website too seriously, it would be more worthwhile of your time if you posted this on Reddit.
2020-07-19 21:03
15 replies
#35
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Actually I'd get the same response on Reddit and it would probably be deleted.
2020-07-19 21:04
12 replies
I doubt it, people on Reddit are more serious and mature, they love having discussions like this.
2020-07-19 21:04
11 replies
#55
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I think we have incredibly different opinions of Reddit...
2020-07-19 21:08
10 replies
I assume you are talking about /r/GlobalOffensive, if yes then, yeah probably we do have different opinions.
2020-07-19 21:10
9 replies
#69
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I am yeah... I strongly believe HLTV should be the primary source of informational, forum-based content over Reddit but I can't take nothing away from Reddit either. I'm just not a fan of their administration.
2020-07-19 21:15
8 replies
Same, but isn't gonna happen when the whole first page of the forum is filled with N-word threads.
2020-07-19 21:16
7 replies
#74
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Also true. Reddit and HLTV collectively have their fair share of bad eggs. :)
2020-07-19 21:17
6 replies
Since you are passionate about this, why don't you hit up dexerto or other esports sites and ask them if you can post your work over there?
2020-07-19 21:25
5 replies
#86
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I could but honestly I don't think it's serious enough to warrant a place a such websites. I've been pro-HLTV since it's iteration in 2005.
2020-07-19 21:43
4 replies
If there is no positive response from hltv, might as well jump ships. The hltv owners aren't gonna think about you when your rent is due.
2020-07-19 21:46
3 replies
#91
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I realise this but I refuse to give up hope with HLTV. There are some brilliant, genuinely amazing users on here, yourself included, I love interacting with them and getting to know them better. I wouldn't trade that for anything. :) Not every user is going to be a rule-respecting user but it's my pleasure to interact with them.
2020-07-19 21:53
2 replies
I appreciate your passion for this website but if the passion isn't being reciprocated you are wasting your time here. You can do whatever the fuck you want but realize that hltv isn't gonna put food on the table unless they hire you or something.
2020-07-19 21:57
1 reply
I do realise this but that isn't why I browse HLTV, friend. I love the interaction with the users and it's users like yourself that confirm why HLTV is a brilliant forum, despite it's bad eggs. I apologise I didn't reply sooner.
2020-07-22 14:07
No
2020-07-19 21:06
1 reply
Yes
2020-07-19 21:06
Great thread, couldn't agree more. Unfortunately HLTV is what it is and sad baiters will continue to spam these threads and try to fish angry replies from the opposite fanbases.
2020-07-19 20:56
3 replies
#21
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United Kingdom alcazar4
nt jonty
2020-07-19 20:58
1 reply
I'm not Jonty
2020-07-19 20:58
#25
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I know this all too well, I'm afraid. However that isn't going to stop me from trying to support positivity, civility and equality amidst the HLTV community. :) Thank you for the positive feedback. <3 Have a good day.
2020-07-19 20:59
nice topic but imo you can have pretty normal discussion about it if you meet reasonable people. i already had few those conversations and even if we didnt agree after all(we also did ofc) we still had nice discussion about it. but yea, most of those discussions are just insult fiesta. sadly...
2020-07-19 20:58
8 replies
#26
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Look at this one: hltv.org/forums/threads/2336635/129-goat.. The OP just insulted others for disagreeing with him throughout the topic. It's a shame users like this act that way but I'm incredibly envious you've had intelligent discussions about the subject.
2020-07-19 21:00
7 replies
for example i prefer zywoo over s1mple BUT i have no problem to say that s1mple is imo the best of all time(for now) because he had higher peak(2018) and he performs on the very high level for way longer. it rly depends on people that you will discuss with. i also already talked with normal brasil fans about lg/sk era where we had different opinions, talked with normal s1mple fants about the goat but you are not that lucky most of the time:D btw im not saint myself sometimes:DD
2020-07-19 21:05
6 replies
#47
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I made a lengthy topic on the LG/SK era as I'm with the consensus there was none because their dominance was never consistent across the board unlike fnatic's/NIP's/Astralis'... However I didn't take away what they did either, as it's a respectable opinion to have. I do love lengthy CS:GO topics but it's truly a shame some of them are not as grandiose as others.
2020-07-19 21:06
5 replies
in my opinion they didnt have an era but its just my opinion. i dont say it as a fact or something. i like good topics with normal people as well. especially if they can actually express their opinions in normal way and provide some facts/stats or opinion that is based on something
2020-07-19 21:09
4 replies
#67
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Exactly. I'm glad we are on the same wavelength with the SK era in that we are in agreement but it's not factual, just an opinion. Exactly the way it should be. :) Thank you for being a prime example of how CS:GO discussions should generally go on HLTV, friend.
2020-07-19 21:13
3 replies
im not always good example of it tho:D i mean some people can really trigger me and then i sometimes act like them(but im sure that i almost never start it). im not proud of it but i have no problem to admit it:D
2020-07-19 21:15
2 replies
#73
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Eating humble pie is the most valiant thing we can do as humans. ;)
2020-07-19 21:16
1 reply
True that :)
2020-07-19 21:18
s1mple goat /closed
2020-07-19 20:58
43 replies
+1
2020-07-19 21:00
1 reply
0/8
2020-07-21 16:32
#28
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Did you not read the topic before replying or is this bait? Your opinion is respected, however. :)
2020-07-19 21:01
6 replies
you tell me
2020-07-19 21:04
5 replies
#57
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
It's why I asked you a question. I'm not going to assume anything, that would be wrong of me.
2020-07-19 21:09
4 replies
nobody should take a bait seriously
2020-07-19 21:10
3 replies
#65
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I'm not most people, friend. :)
2020-07-19 21:12
2 replies
just explaining #22
2020-07-19 21:13
1 reply
#68
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Fair enough. Bait or not, it's still a post I'll always reply to in kind. Have a good day.
2020-07-19 21:13
that racist little shit cunt ? good joke. hes so overrated
2020-07-19 21:04
16 replies
nt nt nt
2020-07-19 21:06
+1 racist s0mple overrated as fuck.
2020-07-19 21:08
14 replies
nt no scene potato farmer
2020-07-19 21:51
13 replies
yes latvia pretty much no scene but you're can't even show your flag and you're just a retard choke2 fan so stfu.
2020-07-19 22:33
12 replies
stay mad
2020-07-20 02:44
11 replies
2020-07-20 11:25
and you're a trashus botus vincere fan as well axaxxaaxaxaxaxaxaa
2020-07-20 11:26
9 replies
There is no need for such blatant toxicity... You both have a different opinion and that is that.
2020-07-20 12:26
8 replies
yes you're right.
2020-07-20 12:53
7 replies
Have a good day, friend. :)
2020-07-20 12:57
6 replies
Once again I will agree with Jonty
2020-07-20 12:59
4 replies
Cheers. Have a good day also, friend. :)
2020-07-20 13:10
sorry for being toxic :(
2020-07-20 13:20
2 replies
ok mens sorry as well
2020-07-21 06:43
ok mens sorry as well
2020-07-21 06:43
yes have a nice day!
2020-07-20 13:19
/open zywoo is the goat /closed
2020-07-21 16:33
16 replies
s1mple and ZywOo are both contenders for the position and both are respectable opinions to have. Did you not read the original post of the topic?
2020-07-21 16:36
15 replies
yeah but zywoo>s2mple /closed
2020-07-21 20:13
14 replies
According to your opinion, which will be respected. Have a good day.
2020-07-22 00:46
13 replies
not my opinion, straight FACTS
2020-07-22 09:23
12 replies
No it's not and you know this already. There is no need to bait other users when expressing your opinion.
2020-07-22 11:13
11 replies
im not baiting LOL zywoo is the goat and it is indeed a fact /closed
2020-07-22 13:28
10 replies
"im not baiting LOL" Yes you are. You know you are expressing your opinion but are choosing not to do so on purpose in order to irk a response out of me. "zywoo is the goat and it is indeed a fact" Your opinion is respected.
2020-07-22 14:00
9 replies
nt but zywoo goat (fact not opinion)
2020-07-22 14:06
8 replies
Once again, your opinion is respected. You've no need to bait.
2020-07-22 14:06
7 replies
2020-07-22 14:06
6 replies
Linking your post doesn't change the fact you're baiting. Your opinion is respected.
2020-07-22 14:09
5 replies
2020-07-22 14:16
4 replies
Yes? You're still expressing your opinion, linked posts or not.
2020-07-22 14:16
3 replies
2020-07-22 14:28
2 replies
Post #191.
2020-07-22 14:35
1 reply
2020-07-23 15:48
Damn, Jonty, you went hard
2020-07-19 21:02
5 replies
#34
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I'm afraid I don't understand, friend. I went hard on what?
2020-07-19 21:03
4 replies
Went hard on this topic explaining the problematic nature of GOAT/BOAT conversations
2020-07-19 21:04
3 replies
#63
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Ah... Well I thought I needed to make a stand on how much it was used recently... This topic confirmed in my mind I need to make this: hltv.org/forums/threads/2336635/129-goat.. Having an opinion is fine but insulting others into bait just because they do not share that same opinion is wrong. Then there is this guy: hltv.org/forums/threads/2337293/best-mov.. <-- This is just a horrible way to act in general.
2020-07-19 21:11
2 replies
Yeah, those "GOAT player" threads tend to gather a lot of replies with majority of those being pure spam and pointless discussions. And seems like hltv can't get enough of them. It's like equivalent of mushrooms after rain, but the rain never stops. When it comes to other subjects, such as books, movies, music or games, I enjoy those much more. Even created one myself about favorite album covers (I was pleasantly surprised with how many great picks were posted). But even then, almost always there's is a guy with "superior" taste in everything... So I fully understand your motives behind this thread. Edit: I just realised that my comment is kinda hypocritical. But I guess humans and hypocrisy is a common duo
2020-07-19 21:36
1 reply
#83
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Thank you for understanding the motive behind the thread and I agree that particular subjects, lets say movies and music in question, it's all subjectivity... People are always going to have a different opinion and that is fine. Like stated in the original post, collective opinions and professional opinions are different things. Critics will have a professional opinion, consumers will have a collective opinion.
2020-07-19 21:41
you cant be GOAT when f0rest exist
2020-07-19 21:04
1 reply
#64
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
A definite contender given his tenure in CS as a whole.
2020-07-19 21:11
borat?
2020-07-19 21:05
1 reply
#60
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United Kingdom alcazar4
+1
2020-07-19 21:10
+rep for your post
2020-07-19 21:20
1 reply
#84
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Thank you. :) Have a good day, friend.
2020-07-19 21:42
haha people 1 🐐 and people 2 🚢
2020-07-19 21:27
4 replies
#85
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Are those emojis of a goat and a boat?
2020-07-19 21:42
3 replies
yes, kill me pls
2020-07-19 21:46
2 replies
#90
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
I'm not going to do that. Have a good day. :)
2020-07-19 21:51
1 reply
ok you too men))
2020-07-19 22:02
thank you for tldr
2020-07-19 21:56
1 reply
Not a problem. :) Have a good day.
2020-07-20 11:53
f0rest GOAT/BOAT
2020-07-19 22:02
4 replies
0/8
2020-07-20 11:27
1 reply
There is no need to rate the users post as if it were bait just because you have a different opinion. You think s1mple should be referred to as the "GOAT" and the user you replied to thinks it should be f0rest. You are both allowed to have different opinions and both are credible contenders for the prestigious title. This is exactly what I was referring to in my original post, friend. Did you read it at all, if I may ask?
2020-07-20 12:38
It's a brilliant opinion many people will share.
2020-07-20 11:54
1 reply
TY, loved your post!
2020-07-20 17:52
I agree. Good man Jonty, glad to see you back
2020-07-19 22:02
1 reply
Thank you, friend. It's a pleasure to see you again also. :) Have a good day.
2020-07-20 11:55
s1mple is the GOAT/BOAT
2020-07-20 11:27
1 reply
I respect your opinion. :) Have a good day.
2020-07-20 11:57
#104
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Netherlands Titanos
<3
2020-07-20 11:36
1 reply
<3 Have a good day.
2020-07-20 12:01
f0rest-cs goat Device- csgo goat kennyS- looking at his teammates and accounting his team Boat- kennyS/ZywOo
2020-07-20 11:46
2 replies
All respectable opinions to have.
2020-07-20 11:56
Wrong everywhere
2020-07-20 13:01
device is the goat.
2020-07-20 11:47
1 reply
He is definitely a veritable contender. :)
2020-07-20 12:00
lol this is too long to read.
2020-07-20 11:54
7 replies
It is why I included a TL:DR, friend.
2020-07-20 11:56
6 replies
Thank you Jonty I did not see this
2020-07-20 11:56
5 replies
Not a problem. In the past I never used to include them because I was under the assumption those who wanted to read it wouldn't need a TL:DR; however I soon came to realise that it was unfair not to include one for the general public to read.
2020-07-20 11:59
3 replies
Good post btw I agree +1
2020-07-20 12:02
2 replies
Thank you. :) Have a good day, friend.
2020-07-20 12:14
1 reply
you too brother :)
2020-07-20 12:19
#118
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Hong Kong TROIIDA
Johnny looking after you don't worry
2020-07-20 12:00
#121
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
device is the goat.
2020-07-20 12:02
1 reply
Again, Device is definitely a contender for the status. I respect your opinion. Have a good day.
2020-07-20 12:15
You know its an elaborate bait when the TL;DR is so long 2/8
2020-07-20 13:23
1 reply
The thread isn't bait whatsoever and nothing in the post indicates it is. Rather than assuming its contents, please try and read the post before replying in future. Have a good day.
2020-07-21 02:27
#141
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Brazil hugoooo
The formal attention whore is back. Have a good day.
2020-07-21 02:38
1 reply
That isn't the purpose nor premise of this topic whatsoever... If you're going to reply at least have the audacity to read my post first. Have a good day also.
2020-07-21 02:41
I'm also tired of those stupid threads. Why can't everyone just agree that Xizt is the GOAT and get on with your life
2020-07-21 02:59
1 reply
Well your post is counterintuitive but I get your point... Have a good day.
2020-07-21 16:29
nice post
2020-07-21 16:30
1 reply
Thank you. :) Have a good day.
2020-07-22 00:47
nt but zywoo goat
2020-07-21 16:32
12 replies
It's a respectable opinion to have.
2020-07-22 00:47
11 replies
it’s a fact
2020-07-22 09:23
10 replies
Once again, no it is not. ZywOo was the best player of last year but referring to him as anything else is strictly your opinion. Please stop baiting when your opinion has already been respected.
2020-07-22 11:15
9 replies
im not baiting xdddddd zywoo is the goat and that is the strongest fact of all facts /closed
2020-07-22 13:29
8 replies
Yes you are baiting and I'm purposely replying to it. Your opinion is respected. Have a good day.
2020-07-22 14:00
7 replies
nt but zywoo goat is fact and not opinion
2020-07-22 14:06
6 replies
"nt but zywoo goat is fact and not opinion" In 2019, yes. Otherwise your opinion is respected. You don't need to bait.
2020-07-22 14:08
5 replies
2019 and all time /closed
2020-07-22 14:16
4 replies
"2019 and all time" He hasn't been playing that long which is why he only achieved the best player merit in 2019. Once again, you prove to be a baiter. Your opinions are respected.
2020-07-22 14:17
3 replies
2020-07-22 14:29
2 replies
Okay - I'm done replying to bait... It was fun while it lasted but you've given up and therefore this discussion is now pointless. Once again, your "opinion" is respected. Bait less in the future and have a good day.
2020-07-22 14:35
1 reply
2020-07-23 15:48
How old are you?
2020-07-21 23:58
3 replies
I am 27. How old are you, friend?
2020-07-22 00:48
2 replies
18 It was weird to see you consider yourself hardcore gamer since 1996
2020-07-22 09:26
1 reply
Yeah my first console was the NES and I've been gaming ever since. Back then games were allowed to be difficult and hate you simultaneously... good fun.
2020-07-22 11:16
Agreed
2020-07-22 00:54
Who, in your oppinion, would be your GOAT (csgo)?
2020-07-22 01:09
3 replies
I couldn't choose just one person, opinion or not. GeT-RiGhT f0rest Device flusha Coldzera + many more contenders... What about you, friend?
2020-07-22 01:21
2 replies
Respectable choices, Agreeing with all you listed. I would definitely add olof though. have a nice day :)
2020-07-22 01:26
1 reply
Olof should definitely be there. :D Thank you and I also wish you a good day. ^^
2020-07-22 01:31
GOAT in a BOAT
2020-07-22 14:39
1 reply
Typically only "GOAT" is used on HLTV but I figured for sake of simplicity I would include BOAT too. Putting literal goats into boats is a different matter entirely...
2020-07-22 14:44
#195
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Brazil hava
tldr
2020-07-22 14:45
5 replies
There is a TL:DR specifically for that purpose, friend.
2020-07-23 17:10
4 replies
#199
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Brazil hava
even that is too long
2020-07-23 17:30
3 replies
It's written in dash-points specifically to make it easier to read. If you do not want to read it, that is entirely your choice to be respected - don't read it. Don't make poor excuses proclaiming as to why you didn't read it. That is what the TL:DR is designed to do.
2020-07-23 17:36
2 replies
#201
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Brazil hava
just because its easy to read doesnt mean it isnt too long
2020-07-23 18:22
1 reply
The TL:DR isn't that long.
2020-07-24 11:09
#202
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Brazil NegoNey
I didn't read but agree that Boom is the best team in Brazil and North Should've remove gade asap
2020-07-24 05:03
5 replies
There is a TL:DR specifically for those who do not want to read the entire thing.
2020-07-24 11:08
4 replies
that was also too long! I have a schedule, meetings, employees!
2020-07-24 11:11
3 replies
The TL:DR isn't that long...
2020-07-24 11:13
2 replies
it's very long! it can't be that long, are you crazy?
2020-07-24 11:14
1 reply
It's on the lengthier side but it's honestly not that long. If you're not going to read it, then by all means do not read it - it's your choice. You don't need to make poor excuses claiming it's too long to read.
2020-07-24 11:17
Very good post, I was going to write a post along the lines of yours, but didn't have the time. Agreed with you cent percent, this GOAT baits are, right now, way too much on hltv. People are entitled to their opinions, and do not deserve to get flamed for having a different one.
2020-07-24 05:15
1 reply
Thank you. Have a good day, friend.
2020-07-24 11:07
TL;DR
2020-07-24 11:09
4 replies
There is a TL:DR already there, friend.
2020-07-24 11:14
3 replies
Sorry the thread was TL;DR
2020-07-25 08:27
2 replies
It's a long thread so it merits a TL;DR.
2020-07-25 15:17
1 reply
TL;DR shouldn't be that long, friend!
2021-02-27 00:29
Device is the GOAT
2020-07-24 11:13
3 replies
It's a respectable opinion to have. One that many will share with you.
2020-07-24 11:14
2 replies
Thank you friendly brit
2020-07-24 11:18
1 reply
Not a problem. Have a good day. :)
2020-07-24 11:20
#217
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Portugal melinh0
you have mental issues or you dont know what to do with your time
2020-07-24 19:18
1 reply
Every user has the ability to procrastinate and spend their time on HLTV the way they like. I chose to make a stand due to the current baiting and misuse of the term "GOAT". Nevertheless, your opinion is respected. Have a good day.
2020-07-25 15:16
Saw username stopped reading but I always admire ur effort in these quality baits
2020-07-25 15:18
1 reply
I don't bait whatsoever. Please read my post instead of assuming it's contents, friend. Have a good day.
2020-07-25 15:31
JONTY_WORST_BAITER /thread
2020-07-25 15:26
3 replies
The thread isn't bait and I don't bait, it's against the rules. If you're not going to read it, then don't read it. Don't for the thousandth time accuse me of baiting, as you always do, friend.
2020-07-25 15:32
2 replies
#32 "I do not bait on HLTV and as much as I get accused of doing so, that isn't going to change that either." So you agree that you afford yourself baiting sometimes
2020-07-25 15:52
1 reply
No, you've completely misread that to satisfy your own ignorance because for some reason you assume me to be baiter. Meaning it doesn't matter how much I get accused of baiting, I'm not going to change the way I am on HLTV. I've always respected your opinion and that also will not change. All I ask is stop the accusations and actually read my posts instead of assuming their contents.
2020-07-25 15:56
Love you Jonty mens
2020-07-25 15:29
3 replies
I love you too, man. Have a good day. :D
2020-07-25 15:33
1 reply
You too my friend ))
2020-07-25 15:33
Who doesn't!
2021-03-03 18:07
nice
2020-08-27 21:27
#231
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United States Masshole
bump
2020-09-23 04:03
11 replies
Thank you for the bump, though I certainly hope it isn't considered a necro-bump, as necro-bumping is usually bannable. Granted that is for topics years and years out of date, not several months.
2020-12-11 00:19
10 replies
Happy New Year!
2021-02-27 00:26
9 replies
Yes, Happy New Year, friend - I hope you had a good one. :) I apologise for the disruption with the repeated bumps of the New Year's thread. For whatever reason, other users are bumping it and I hope it isn't causing any annoyance. I posted about it here: hltv.org/forums/threads/2423167/new-year.. <-- If the topic has been turned into annoyance and the original reason I created the topic is no longer in full effect, then I will inform an admin for either a locked topic or a deletion altogether. Have a good day.
2021-02-27 00:33
#243
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United Kingdom tardbard
Havent heard from you in a long time! Are you good!
2021-03-03 17:48
7 replies
I'm doing pretty well rn! It's 3rd month of the new year already, so this year is no longer "factory-new"! How are things with you!
2021-03-03 17:51
6 replies
#253
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United Kingdom tardbard
Well jonty convinced me to bet on some teams that lost so i lost alot of money! But there might be more to the story! I cant believe he would do something wrong like that! I still admire him!
2021-03-03 17:53
5 replies
I don't bet or bet only small quantities of money so I don't get in trouble! And you should do the same!
2021-03-03 17:59
1 reply
#259
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United Kingdom tardbard
Too late!
2021-03-03 18:01
No, it was a misunderstanding. I made predictions on Team Gambit and you took my word as though it was factual and made bets. I never told you to place a bet on CPH Flames or Endpoint, I stated to trust your instincts and you did. Making bets is always a risk I personally don't like to take; consequently, when you make a mere prediction, there is no risk of losing money.
2021-03-03 18:19
2 replies
#277
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United Kingdom tardbard
Thats what i figured too! If you make a prediction i wont risk losing money!
2021-03-03 18:29
1 reply
Not even I can predict the future, friend... :(
2021-03-03 18:31
#238
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United Kingdom tardbard
Well thought out piece as always!
2021-03-03 17:41
#239
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
thanks for adding a TLDR version
2021-03-03 17:43
20 replies
#241
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United Kingdom tardbard
You should read it all!
2021-03-03 17:45
12 replies
Have you read it all?! Jonty has a great vocabulary!
2021-03-03 17:48
2 replies
#247
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United Kingdom tardbard
I always read what he says!
2021-03-03 17:48
1 reply
That's the best approach!
2021-03-03 17:54
#260
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
sorry about that m8, ill surely compesate it making a sketchtoy about jonty !
2021-03-03 18:04
#262
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
bro my sketchtoy is looking sick !
2021-03-03 18:06
7 replies
#274
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United Kingdom tardbard
I dont understand! What are we talking about!
2021-03-03 18:26
6 replies
#275
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
you said that i should read it all, but since i dont did it, i want to redeem myself, making a drawing (sketchtoy) about Jonty
2021-03-03 18:28
5 replies
#279
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United Kingdom tardbard
Oh that is nice! Can i see it!
2021-03-03 18:30
4 replies
#280
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
#273, sorry for copying some parts but its only for the scenario, if i dont try to copy anything it would take me some years, im a very bad artist lol
2021-03-03 18:31
3 replies
#284
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United Kingdom tardbard
I cant wait to see it! Good luck!
2021-03-03 18:34
2 replies
#291
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
i changed the concept couple of times so this time nothing was copyed, also big thanks to SalttyNoodles for giving me some suggestions (soon i will create a thread about it because im proud of myself) sketchtoy.com/69506814
2021-03-04 02:24
1 reply
#293
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United Kingdom tardbard
I really like that! That really reminds me of jonty!, you even did a good job on his desk setup!,(but his screen is flat and modern!) Very nice man! If you do any more i wanna see them! Good one!
2021-03-04 02:51
My pleasure. :) I hope you enjoyed my breaking down on the conundrum that is professing the "GOAT"/"BOAT", even if it was bumped.
2021-03-03 18:10
6 replies
#266
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
it was a incredible read friend ^^ im also making a sketchtoy about you, because i was without nothing to do, so why not, right? I already have an idea but its very hard to make :D
2021-03-03 18:13
5 replies
A sketchtoy about me? I'm curious to see what on Earth that would even look like...?
2021-03-03 18:20
4 replies
#273
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
the idea is really hard to make but i will try my best :DD also it would need a certain explanation to understand. Give me some days/weeks and it will be done :D also i was to lazy to do the first part so im kinda of copying (looking to the image on my phone while trying to do something close in my computer, but this part is not the most important
2021-03-03 18:23
3 replies
The fact you are doing this at all, I don't know how to respond really... :D Please take all the time you need, friend. ^^
2021-03-03 18:29
2 replies
#282
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
im just doing that because im very bored lol, also it will not look that good, im not a very good artist, so dont put your expectations so high :)
2021-03-03 18:31
bump
2021-03-03 17:43
NiKo GOAT /closed
2021-03-03 17:47
3 replies
#245
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United Kingdom tardbard
Jonty will decide that! With all due respect !
2021-03-03 17:48
Definitely a very respectable opinion. :)
2021-03-03 17:49
Your opinion is respected! Don't worry!
2021-03-03 17:52
#246
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Spain SS_SS
who boats?
2021-03-03 17:48
agred but this part It's impossible to label just one person a "GOAT"/"BOAT" because it would be impractical and improbable to determine just one contender if dev1ce get a 5 major and a 3 major mvp this goat debate talk its over or (if dev1ce never do that) zywoo can win 3 majors (and the way vi play 3 times major mvp) he is the goat
2021-03-03 17:51
4 replies
#256
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United Kingdom tardbard
We will see what jonty says!
2021-03-03 17:54
Well I also stated this: "Bearing in mind in certain circumstances it may be possible but practically most of the time there can only be contenders for the role, not a guaranteed person indefinitely." <-- Meaning it is possible in certain cases depending the on the specific circumstance to label just one entity as "GOAT" or "BOAT". Device is one of the most consistent players to ever touch CS:GO, no question about that. However, claiming he is singlehandedly the one true "GOAT" is subject to opinion, it isn't factual. I broke down this conundrum when threads were being made all of the time trying to express their opinions as factual, "GOAT" this and "GOAT" that, almost like a ritual and these threads were being made daily, no less. I wanted to create a social construct that establishes and recognises that said player can be seen as "GOAT" but at the same time, be treated as a respectable opinion. :)
2021-03-03 18:14
2 replies
goat can be factual like tom brady
2021-03-03 19:05
1 reply
*"Bearing in mind in certain circumstances it may be possible but practically most of the time there can only be contenders for the role, not a guaranteed person indefinitely." It depends upon the specific circumstance but otherwise professing an absolute is not factual, it is subject top opinion, therein lies the conundrum.
2021-03-03 19:18
ok bertrand russell
2021-03-03 17:53
This sounds like a title for a riddle
2021-03-03 17:54
1 reply
Well a conundrum sort of is one, I guess...
2021-03-03 18:15
Somebody bumped this well. I'll do the same.
2021-03-03 17:57
2 replies
A pleasure, friend. :) I hope you enjoyed the read. ^^ What are your thoughts on the subject? I'd love to hear them. Have a good day. :D
2021-03-03 18:16
1 reply
Nice to hear from you :) I liked your view regarding this subject. I suspect that most people who are even slightly mature, do have the mental faculty of already knowing what you said. However, be it due to ignorance or just the callousness of being unchecked on an anonymous platform, it sometimes brings out the worst in people. Hence, we have extremely toxic discussions around this subject. That being said, I agree that people are entitled to their own opinions, so long as they don't force it down others' throats. Have a nice day <3
2021-03-03 19:01
+1 and device goat
2021-03-03 18:04
1 reply
Device is the most likely contender, most definitely. I elaborated more about Device in post #267.
2021-03-03 18:17
#264
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United States PP_Bizon
Simple, boat for transportation/goat for food Why is this a question
2021-03-03 18:09
2 replies
+1
2021-03-03 18:29
Admittedly, the acronyms were not created all that well...
2021-03-03 18:33
even the tldr was tldr
2021-03-03 19:05
1 reply
Well a lengthy thread needs a slightly lengthy TL;DR in proportion. That is why I made it ballpoints. :)
2021-03-03 19:19
Ok.
2021-03-03 19:21
2 replies
nt NotJuan
2021-03-04 02:53
1 reply
I still like your name btw
2021-03-04 03:10
Thats the problem, your thesis relies on the fact that the statements of HLTV users are opinions, which is true most of the time. I, after an indescribable amount of time, have found that all the variables point to one GOAT. I respect other opinions on the matter, but more or less they are choosing the GOATnCX (Greatest Of All Time Not Counting Xizt). It is not an opinion, is a proven factual statement.
2021-03-04 03:06
1 reply
I'd appreciate it if people begin using the terminology "GOATnCX" when referring to who they think is the greatest player of all time, as often they need to glance over and ignore Xizt for them to make their statement. GOAT should be an exclusive term for Xizt.
2021-03-04 03:09
I am the GOAT
2021-04-08 19:22
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