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How is it fair...?
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Norway SunsetAtMidnightAndNightAtNoon 
How is it fair for companies to profit tens of millions, hundreds of millions or even billions, and pay their workers minimum wage? Many work inhumane amount of hours, have no benefits, almost no days off or vacation. They work like almost as if they were robots being paid the minimum allowed while people at the top are living off that with millions or billions in their pockets? See Amazon... How is that any fair for anybody?! How?! Imagine working all day like a machine and being paid an amount that is not enough to do anything. You don't live, you survive. Of course you can't pay a market attendant 500k a month, but holy fuck, at least pay a decent amount to people working to the point of wanting to end it all. Am I missing something here?
2020-07-25 17:27
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people are modern slaves /closed
2020-07-25 17:28
Im 14 and this is deep
2020-07-25 17:48
Hitler_did_nothing_wronk
2020-07-25 17:58
#36
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India somecunt
First time?
2020-07-25 18:07
wow +1
2020-07-25 18:53
TL;DR? or is it a copypasta
2020-07-25 17:28
tldr: People work inhumane hours and are paid minimum wage, which in some cases can barely pay for electricity and rent.
2020-07-25 17:31
life is not fair never was and probably never will
2020-07-25 19:01
And this is why I hate it... I just wish everyone could have a life they can actually live and be happy with. But, unfortunately, for things to work, some people have to take shit jobs with miserable payment.
2020-07-25 19:03
Well it depends, if you work on a traditional market you sure will work more than the wage is worth, but on the tech market the salary is being worth the work, times change and as automation is replacing people on those positions, tech people are needed more
2020-07-25 19:10
#3
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Peru Rhenie
/open xaxaxaxa /close
2020-07-25 17:28
*laughs in Irish accent* Living the good life up there, huh?
2020-07-25 17:35
#19
OK | 
Peru Rhenie
not really
2020-07-25 17:36
#4
God | 
Poland henlo
capitalism is the problem
2020-07-25 17:28
#5
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Czech Republic LidoOP
dont work for minimum wage / closed
2020-07-25 17:28
True! Let the state take over! haha communism! People want money, they wont just give it lmao
2020-07-25 17:29
I don't understand your point.
2020-07-25 17:30
There is actually nothing you can do You can cry about it your whole life, you wont change dick and balls
2020-07-25 17:30
Work with trading. 😎😎😎
2020-07-25 17:33
Lol. Like there is no other option than communist dicators killing millions of people in slave camps(China now) or paying shit wages to working class people and taxing them more dollars than billionaires(USA now).
2020-07-25 22:45
Let workers own the company*
2020-07-25 17:50
it's not fair but we can't do shit about this
2020-07-25 17:30
#10
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Poland Hanse
You work in these companies only if you can't do anything more benefiting for the society, thus you are simply useless. You should be grateful that they provide any workplace for brainlets
2020-07-25 17:31
Sometimes, jobs are so strict that this sometimes is your only choice. People should be paid a decent amount that allows them to actually live and pay bills instead of paying them something that can't even cover electricity and rent. This is not right in the slighest.
2020-07-25 17:42
#18
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Poland Hanse
I know it's crazy concept for HLTV standards but living in pairs (preferably with oposite sex) is as comfortable and allows you to divide bills and living cost
2020-07-25 17:36
I can see that working out and that was actually one of my plans.
2020-07-25 17:49
#42
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Australia Ohnorepo
Except these companies are fast becoming the only option for many people. Coming out of college or university into fields that are suddenly shrinking, or so full of competition that you have to accept shit rewards or you'll be overlooked for someone more malleable. Minimum wage used to mean the minimum amount to live on. As in a single person. Your follow up question definitely helps some people, but minimum wage in a lot of countries means even 3 or 4 people struggle to make ends meet. Wage inflation hasn't kept up with cost of living in decades.
2020-07-25 18:24
EXACTLY THIS!!!!
2020-07-25 19:02
#70
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Australia Ohnorepo
The downside to every idiot still believing the "trickle down economy" still works. It hasn't since the 80's at least. The moment the post WW2 economic boom finished and we failed to adapt we fucked ourselves.
2020-07-25 19:53
"Wage inflation hasn't kept up with cost of living in decades" So ducking true,same in Hungary.About half a year ago the goverment increased minimum wage by about 10% which is great but since then prices have been rising so much people are pretty much worse off then they were before
2020-07-25 22:49
Very true, sadly...
2020-07-25 23:10
#12
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United Kingdom Jonty04l32
Depends on the employment altogether... However the "better pay" complaint has been around for several years now. It's a losing battle.
2020-07-25 17:31
Isn't it obvious, man? Life isn't fair, nobody ever said it was. There are no guarantees, just try your best and hopefully it will be enough to make life worth living.
2020-07-25 17:33
because in some cases a minimum wage factory job is the only one people can get
2020-07-25 17:34
well of course there is a lot exploitation. the only thing that can save you is legacy or education. life isn't fair. you are a burden. make yourself useful. and meanwhile take what you need, if you can.
2020-07-25 17:41
the other alternative to capitalism is that everyone is poor
2020-07-25 17:45
imagine paying somebody that works in a market, which requires no education, equally as much as a doctor, judge or even a policeman its nonsense actually, it encourages people to study, as an example of poor life choice
2020-07-25 17:47
If you read the last lines of the post you would realise that I said almost exactly the same thing. You don't get the point.
2020-07-25 17:48
yet i think its fair since they choose their lives by wanting temporary pleasure than a wealth life
2020-07-25 18:01
its not fair
2020-07-25 17:51
#28
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Brazil Exfm
Just "become" the company ez
2020-07-25 17:53
#29
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Latvia IzzoR
Top 1% own more than bottom 90%. Welcome to earth it belongs to the rich.
2020-07-25 17:54
Guess what. They can quit whenever they want to
2020-07-25 17:55
And how will they live? Either get exploited or die of hunger.
2020-07-25 17:57
How many better opportunities do you think those people have?
2020-07-25 22:56
#34
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Germany shimmy227
employer and employee are equal business partners. if there are many unemployed people and the job can be fullfilled by unskilled employees, the employer can afford to pay the employee less. that's just basic economics/ common sense. what's really unfair and the problem here is how the state increases the costs of labor and goods, through various taxes, regulations and inflation.
2020-07-25 18:03
#35
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Europe Rawrcakes
I think you need to look at this, not as a problem, but rather the solution to a problem you don't realize would be there, if this system didn't exist. Go ahead, read it twice. Let it sink in: If the economic system wasn't there, then there really is no incentive for people to do as they're told. Without the economic system, you wouldn't have cops, because who would risk their life policing people who have nothing to lose? Capitalism, while many people want to view it as a bad exploitative endeavour, in my eyes is more of a stabilizing component that our society needs to function, and keep progressing. Without it, there would be no need to invent new things, because there'd be no incentive to do so either. Imagine if people just decided this 200 years ago and was like "Yeah, it aint gonna get better than that."
2020-07-25 18:05
#37
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Europe Rawrcakes
What you're missing, is what most of the average person misses. You should consider your income, however limited it may be, as your own real life economic strategy game. If you, over a period of say 10-20 years decide to allocate a significant amount of money towards investments for example, there's a chance that you can retire, and live of the dividend payments. Especially young people need to understand this, because you are the last in the line for now.. The sooner you start, the sooner you become "free" of this system and financially independent. You may be born into it, but the system is designed to allow people to not die in it. The main reason people can't break out of the system, is because the prioitize their income into experiences, lifestyle, luxuries and overconsumption. The 1st world countries are designed to have a healthy balance, but since most people have limited financial discipline, they hardly ever advance very quickly. For more information: youtube.com/watch?v=PHe0bXAIuk0
2020-07-25 18:14
Is not it risky?
2020-07-25 18:35
#46
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Europe Rawrcakes
Of course it is. In the end it comes down to this: Do you fear loosing what you have, more than what you hope to gain? If the answer is yes, then investing is not for you. If the answer is no, then it's probably something you should look more into.
2020-07-25 18:38
My brother has told me about this, but risks are really big, specially in our country. I have a friend that lost like $30k in investments and he even tried to kill himself. I don't know much about this topic since I'm a terrible dumbass, but, everything I know about it is that you can lose fucktons of money.
2020-07-25 18:50
Thats absolutely correct but does that make it right?
2020-07-25 18:20
#43
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Europe Rawrcakes
I can't speak to what's right or wrong as the OP didn't provide any concrete examples, I think what people might be angry at, is the minimum wage. It's what people, probably no smarter than the average HLTV user, came up with a number of years ago, as the "minimum amount of money a person needs to live in X country" So do we need to realize that everything around us, is made up by people that are no smarter than you? Sure - But lets do it the right way. This is why we have a STABLE society, government, votes and democracy. So that we can voice concerns over these things, and get actual answers and action. In the digital age, the "time lag" between answers, action and results, especially in politics, business and government, has become somewhat untolerable for the younger minds. Us oldies are used to things taking time. Hell we even used to call the internet to get online. You have to understand, that changing a system that is changing faster than we can even adapt or analyze our way to it, there will be pitfalls and shortcomings. The best you can do, is to combat these things. First of all observe the problem, then report it to the correct people. Don't go ranting, starting rumours, creating an angry mob demanding change; that's how 1 feather becomes 12 chickens, and in the end, all it causes is more conflict and no results.
2020-07-25 18:32
It is a person's own choice to work in such a job.
2020-07-25 18:11
Money equals power, if people had money they would be less stressed and more likely to have more time to think about what the fuck is going on. Also corporations hate being in the red year on year they want to be in the green every year even though they are making billions of profit if they are down 0.1% that is seen as a failure and the first thing to go is people's job which puts more stress on on the workers who kept their jobs. I also read somewhere in the US in retail sales the wages have not changed since the 80s, if the wages were to follow inflation a person in retail sales would be on 120k a year I'm not sure if that's absolutely accurate but you get the point.
2020-07-25 18:17
noone force you to work there. as simple as that...
2020-07-25 18:23
life isn't fair. have a nice day.
2020-07-25 18:35
+1
2020-07-25 22:58
Mr. Bezos just set a record the other for increasing his net worth by $13B+ in a single day
2020-07-25 18:41
Saw a post from a friend about it, this is absolutely insane. Dude is a billionaire while his workers are put into subhuman conditions.
2020-07-25 18:52
he is only billionaire because he owns shares his liquid money is way less but i think Amazon is shit company aswell bad working conditions and abusing tax loopholes
2020-07-25 18:58
Yes I know that part about the liquid money. And yes, there are countless articles and posts of Amazon workers complaining about the subhuman conditions of work and amount of hours. Screw that dude, that's shameless exploitation of people.
2020-07-25 18:59
Welcome to real world :D
2020-07-25 18:47
Life isn't fair. The people who work there chose to work there. Minimum-wage entry-level jobs are not meant for you to be able to support a family, a house, etc. People don't get paid based on how hard they work; they get paid based on how easy it is to replace them. I know it's not as easy as just "go get better job bro," or "go and get a good degree bro." But that's just the way the world works.
2020-07-25 19:01
Thanks for the honest answer.
2020-07-25 19:05
It doesn't have to be like that. Here even a McJob here pays enough for people to live, no one needs to work two jobs, everyone gets minimum 5 week paid vacation time, there is paid sick days, something like a 1 year maternity leave, there is no firing of people from one day to the next... We don't even have an official minimum wage, but any decent company is member of a employers union and has made deals with the workers union so they follow what is agreed. If not they learn that our unions have real power - and by I do not mean like some mafia style shakedown or something - it is all legit and there is transparency and no corruption.
2020-07-25 19:27
"People don't get paid based on how hard they work; they get paid based on how easy it is to replace them. " Now THIS is how real world works.There are so many delusional people that think hard work is what gets you money,they are not even close
2020-07-25 22:59
how much you are paid depends on how easily replaced you are. Why can't people understand that?
2020-07-25 19:03
The thing is that people are not paid the amount they so deserve for working endless hours, and with bad conditions. Look at Amazon for example. Jeff makes billions while his workers are put into subhuman conditions of work and they are paid almost nothing for what they do, as their job is anything but easy.
2020-07-25 19:06
That is part of it, but it also a question of being organized. What we have did not come automatically, that came through unions and through making politicians see that working conditions had to be fair for all. If people got organized and told Amazon that to get workers they would have to pay a good wage and also treat people well, then Amazon would have to do so or close shop.
2020-07-25 19:19
and that's why people strike. I don't understand why people complain about bad working conditions etc, but they don't do anything to make it better. Almost as annoying as people that don't vote, but still complain
2020-07-25 22:43
In many countries unions are not very well established and in some there are even laws making them either toothless or downright illegal. Plus there is also places where some unions has been mixed up with organized crime so they are perhaps having a bad reputation.
2020-07-25 23:03
#62
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Malaysia Suno[t]
this is such a depressing thread :\
2020-07-25 19:06
It is why we have unions and labor laws, but they do not have that everywhere which is why companies can get away with using people. It used to be that before we had unions had good labor laws people here was also working for little pay, doing it for insane hours and basically being treated overall poorly. If you compare what the general working conditions are in most of western Europe with those elsewhere, then you see what huge difference there is and it is not just those that work the really crappy jobs that are missing out. Like for example look at the US, even people in good jobs do not get all the vacation time, the long maternity leave, the paid sick days, paid days when kids are ill, the months long notice if fired... and they work long hours as well.
2020-07-25 19:16
it's not fair, its modern slavery but since we support this system at all cost and will defend it until we die, it will not matter ^^
2020-07-25 19:24
Jesus Christ is coming soon my man, dont be sad
2020-07-25 19:29
#71
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Ireland Sodaking
it's not fair but big Company's have politicians in their back pockets so it gets ignored mostly we got company's that exist that are either Monopoly's or borderline Monopoly's the big company's the ones worth tens of billions up have powerful lobbing groups to press politicians to pass favorable laws at least in my opinion that's the worst thing about Capitalism how there really is not a limit to how ridiculously rich someone can be while other people are poor who do donkeys work for the rich people and get paid fuck all for it
2020-07-25 20:01
EXACTLY, MY FRIEND, EXACTLY!!
2020-07-26 00:15
tldr
2020-07-25 22:50
There are companies who treat really well their employes , i mean with alot of extras and good wages. Most though.. they try to milk every cent they can from both their employees and even their consumers ( check apple for example ). It is what it is i guess. I wonder sometimes how would i be if i was in such a position to have a multimillion company ? A jackass who wants more and more or someone fair that would love to see their employees as happy as possible and productive and all ? Of course the latter is what i think but we will never know i guess.
2020-07-25 23:09
Maybe don't put up a strawman and use real examples instead. Put up a bad question and you can only get bad answers.
2020-07-25 23:18
#83
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Serbia e_loK
I agree we want comunism
2020-07-25 23:19
It's not supposed to be fair.
2020-07-26 00:16
#86
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United States vip3r_k1ng
Because working at Walmart being a cashier is a very low skill job even if you do it for 8 hours a day 5 days a week. Get an education and actually work hard for a good job and then you'll make more than minimum wage.
2020-07-26 00:22
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