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2020-07-28 23:11
Finland OldStager
2020-07-28 23:11
United States brbsalt
2020-07-28 23:11
2020-07-28 23:12
Surprised he didnt say it was fake
2020-07-28 23:12
lmao imagine living in a country with no public healthcare kkkkk
2020-07-28 23:12
Yugoslavia al0))
2020-07-28 23:13
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Brazil ricca
2020-07-28 23:16
Norway verydenkmem
+1 squadW
2020-07-28 23:18
2020-07-28 23:36
lmao imagine not having free public healthcare
2020-07-28 23:18
2020-07-28 23:22
eu: wait... what??
2020-07-28 23:47
still pay less than NA lul
2020-07-28 23:50
private businesses are always more efficient than the state even though healthcare in america isn't as expensive as in eu, we share the same reason for it being expensive which is government intervention prices skyrocketed after the government started subsidizing healthcare the same happened with education, when the government started guaranteeing student loans education costs skyrocketed aswell 5 dollars a month covered emergency care back in the 1960s before the government had screwed it up
2020-07-29 00:05
2020-07-29 00:27
Okay, then ban all insurance companies.
2020-07-29 00:33
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Peru TheJuan
2020-07-28 23:19
America is a joke but we already knew it lul
2020-07-28 23:23
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Canada ZHF
2020-07-28 23:35
to be fair, Canada isn't that different from the USA.
2020-07-28 23:36
Why do you think that?
2020-07-28 23:42
apart from the minuscule cultural nuances you guys basically are the same let's be honest
2020-07-28 23:44
Politically we're not. We (as a society in general) have different priorities and morals. It's basically stating that pakistan and india are the same. Yes in pop culture we're very similar but is that the defining point of what makes nations similar?
2020-07-28 23:46
Okay, state the different priorities and morals that differentiate a Canadian from an American.
2020-07-28 23:47
Societal: Doctor assisted suicide, abortion, gay marriage+rights, safe injection sites. Politically, country is left wing, compared to the divided american nation, religion stays out of politics/has little to no effect. These are just some off the top of my head
2020-07-28 23:51
Also we have what is considered 'free health care' unlike Americans, which is the point of the thread.
2020-07-28 23:53
Fuck politics, I'm talking about culture and society
2020-07-28 23:57
I mean, free healthcare was pushed forward by Douglas's morals and priorities so I personally think it applies here
2020-07-29 00:03
+1 I think thats almost certainly the discussion. There's a reason people say it's a basic human right.
2020-07-29 00:37
if you were to use the exact same metrics to state that USA is politically divided, you would get the same result for Canada, I doubt religion plays a major role in determining the polarity of Modern American political position.
2020-07-28 23:54
You wouldn't get it to the same extent as america. We've had only one "right wing" party and they were elected out because they became "too right wing" for canada. And religion definitely plays a role, just look at elections in southern states, and states where christianity is a big deal. Just look at "christians for trump" (just as an example) and you can see how important religion is in america
2020-07-29 00:01
only one right wing party?????? Bloc Québécois?? Conservative Party??? Conservatives almost won the election if the liberals and ndp didn't create a federal minority government
2020-07-29 00:05
That's where you're just wrong. Conservatives didn't nearly win the election because they lost. Even if they paired up with the Bloc Quebecois, they wouldn't have enough seats to form government. The liberal party formed a minority government, and not a coalition. Also, I'm not sure how aware you are of Canadian politics, but the conservatives are centre-right. in 2015, the party started veering a bit further right, and they were voted out. In addition, when I said "one right wing party" I meant it in a way that referred to a federal party that has a significant amount of seats. The Bloc does have a considerable amount, but they don't have candidates outside of Quebec
2020-07-29 00:14
Just to clarify, yes the liberals and the NDP work together to pass bills (along with the conservative party, just look at COVID-19 emergency relief negotiations), but the federal government is a minority government led by the liberals. This differs from a coalition government (or a bloc) because all federal cabinet ministers are liberal party members. Furthermore, if the liberal party wanted to, they could create a bill, and try to get it through parliament without any consultation of the NDPs or conservatives. If it were a coalition with the NDP, federal cabinet would be a mix of the two parties, and any bill would have to be negotiated between the two parties before it reaches parliament
2020-07-29 00:18
It seems like we have a much deeper disagreement about a trivial matter, We could get into a semantic argument and try to justify our definitions of these words, but however the conversation was never meant to be pivoted into the political spectrum I was commenting solely on the biases of culture and society, not political matters.
2020-07-29 00:25
No, the discussion started on morals and priorities of society, and that gets reflected on politics. I'll show you how: Society (S) wants gay marriage. Current Gov. (CG) is against it because it is against their platform. S votes out CG and elects a new government that promises gay rights.
2020-07-29 00:29
Well, an extremely subjective case wouldn't define the whole system, if you were to generalize the societies of different areas of Canada and the USA you could definitely find some differences but holistically it's pretty much the same. In terms of culture, its no doubt that Canadian Culture and American culture HOLISTICALLY are the same.
2020-07-29 00:35
The example I gave wasn't supposed to be the end-all example, but I was trying to show you how morals and priorities (what we first started on) reflects politics. You stated that you didn't want to discuss politics so I provided that example to show you how they're intertwined. Culturally, yes we're pretty similar. As I said in a previous statement in pop culture we're very similar. But, that again begs my earlier question, is pop culture the deciding point of whether a country is similar or not? I'm arguing, no it's not, as there are several other factors that make us different from the US (as referenced above). The reason for this comment thread is to show you that culture isn't the defining point. Yes we both watch hollywood movies, yes we both have similar tastes in all genres of music, yes the food we enjoy are similar (although some are willing to debate that), but does that mean we are the same? No.
2020-07-29 00:43
Well, I guess any discussion you have on hltv always leads to a semantic disagreement, Anyway what factors do you think defines a country to a regular person?
2020-07-29 00:52
There's several different factors, personally I'm not sure what ranks higher than what. Factors like language, religion, cultural practices and beliefs, to name a few.
2020-07-29 01:02
Do you agree that I used the word "culture" in all my previous comments without an adjective connected to it?
2020-07-29 01:04
Can you rephrase your question?
2020-07-29 01:19
do you agree that I used the word "culture" in most of my previous comments?
2020-07-29 01:26
I would be inclined to say yes, and I advise you that if you want to discuss this further, please PM me. It's a dead thread and the text boxes are getting skinner. I would also like to implore you that this is a discussion not a debate. You don't need to be right for HLTV users, and in general you don't need to be right all the time. I found it concerning after I stated that I was wrong about india-pakistan, yet you kept urging the matter, almost as if me conceding the point stroked your ego. I would like to make it clear that I am discussing to help you learn something you don't know in an area of my expertise (canadian domestic policies + comparative politics). Whether you learn something or not, whether I sway your decision or not, I gave my opinion, backed it up, and countered your points. Like I said before, if you want to discuss further PM me, no point in bumping a dead thread
2020-07-29 01:41
Nah we can close here, the only reason why i was pushing for you to agree that i used the word "culture" is because you literally defined culture in #69. We could conclude it here its just that we had semantic disagreements I didn't continue to argue the indo pak issue, i just wanted to make it clear for the audience.
2020-07-29 01:45
If you bring that image in yes it's semantics because it encompasses several things that aren't considered culture. Does Turkey have the same culture as Iraq just because the predominant religion is Islam? Does Britain have the same culture as Canada just because we have the same language and are secular? No. As for 69, I was describing some factors of what makes a country different. I also included cultural differences. As for #30 and onwards, you wanted to make what clear for the audience? Again, to someone who is viewing this purely as a educational discussion rather than a debate, it seems you want to win, and you want all of HLTV to know how smart you are, even though you may have a limited worldview. Like I said if you want to continue please PM me. I would PM you but I sometimes encounter an issue where new PMs won't get sent, and I'm none the wiser
2020-07-29 01:59
basis not biases I'm retarded when it comes to typing
2020-07-29 00:36
To comment on the pakistan and india statement, Historically and cultural Pakistanis and Indians are the fucking same if anyone disagrees with this has some external biases that are playing in their head, its just that in this time period 1947 - further on, we are politically divided but eventually we will be united but due to obvious reasons I cannot determine how long "eventually" is.
2020-07-28 23:55
I'll concede the point. I just said it because I have some indian friends that always push forward that narrative
2020-07-29 00:04
so you agree with my point or not?
2020-07-29 00:06
I'll concede the point about india and pakistan being the same, on the basis that I don't know anything about those two countries
2020-07-29 00:07
fair enough, so you correlating this situation to USA-Canada political positions is disingenuous, do you agree?
2020-07-29 00:09
Yes, that's what i mean when i say "I'll concede the point about india and pakistan being the same, on the basis that I don't know anything about those two countries"
2020-07-29 00:18
Fair enough just wanted to make that crystal clear.
2020-07-29 00:22
Here, if you want I can apologize to you to as well. I am sorry to bring in something I thought i had knowledge in to a discussion. I sincerely believed that the differences between india and pakistan spanned between cultural, religious and political differences. I am sorry for taking my indian friends word on something that I should have researched on my own. I commend you for showing that they are not different, and therefore retract my statement "It's basically stating that pakistan and india are the same." However, I still maintain my original position that Canada and the US are different in many key areas
2020-07-29 00:27
It's all good, it's just that some people tend to make authoritative statements that may seem to come from a purely analytical perspective but in reality it's just a bunch of emotionally charged bs with no validity whatsoever.
2020-07-29 00:30
United Kingdom alcazar4
religion on its own is already a substantial enough divide between the two.
2020-07-29 02:12
I disagree with you, you can easily distinct an american from a canadian. Theres actually a huge differences in mentality. We have more socialist values than them and a lot less patriotic. We dont lock our doors, we trust others and work together to fix our problems. We are always first to send help or accept strangers. We try our best to help everyone that needs. We are more like Australians than Americans. We are the crocodile dundee's of the north.
2020-07-29 11:20
when you're proud of the fact that you willingly give the government half of your money to get shitty ass healthcare in return lmao socialist idiots
2020-07-28 23:39
0/8 flag checks out
2020-07-28 23:43
most european countries have taxes only moderately higher then america also basically all statistics say otherwise
2020-07-28 23:44
2020-07-28 23:54
Out of the 29 OECD countries USA is the one ranking first in highest health expenditure per person (around $9200 a year) opposed to the 3500€/year for Denmark as example (these numbers take everything in consideration, direct spending, taxes, insurance cotisation, etc ...). And out of the 29 OECD countries USA is the one with the lowest life expectancy, lowest healthy life expectancy, 5th lowest life expectancy after surgery, 3rd lowest life expectancy after cancer, 2nd highest infant mortality rate, lowest access to treatment, and so on. Source: World bank, OECD, WHO, EUROSTATS So to put it in a nutshell the average American receive the lowest (or one of the lowest) level of service of the OECD countries despite being the one paying the most money for it by far. Nice system you got here, who could expect that private companies would rather inflate their dividends and capital instead of helping people get better? And the fact that people keep blindly defending it is incredible.
2020-07-29 00:36
I seriously wish this was common knowledge. People here can't see past their national pride and actually look at the facts.
2020-07-29 01:49
United Kingdom alcazar4
when youve got a nation of people who think theyre the greatest country on earth, making a concession such as "our healthcare system is flawed" is extremely rare.
2020-07-29 02:14
That is what i see those stereotypical americans admit to the most
2020-07-29 02:21
It's not even that. They're ignorant, and the red scare propaganda is still with a lot of people. Worded in a different way, most people would support a national health care system.
2020-07-29 02:27
From a european point of view when we see some extracts from american medias it looks like that Public = communism = eating children religiousless ruski barbarians Private = handsome suit & tie max productivity and grand freedom defender And in the end people keep defending it while also complaining about how depressive being a work-loan-consumme slave is.
2020-07-29 10:50
When your TV channels and newspapers are owned by industrials and banks (direct investment or advertismenent sponsorship/campaigns, etc ...), the outcome is that you tend to elect those who are directly or indirectly tied to them. Thus in the end your politicians aren't really defending the interests of the nation or the people but the interests of those who got them elected. It's called smooth state corruption and it's inherent to capitalism. The wealthier you are the more damage you can do to democracy and the wealthier you will be.
2020-07-29 10:47
United States _Nohj
2020-07-29 02:16
2020-07-28 23:45
2020-07-28 23:46
You mean Americans.
2020-07-28 23:52
2020-07-28 23:55
well... healthcare isn't really "free" in any country whatsoever
2020-07-29 00:04
but that was funny lol
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Brazil lirded_kj
2020-07-29 00:37
2020-07-29 00:38
hey im na but i got free healthcare
2020-07-29 01:22
2020-07-29 01:30
usa healthcare, non-existent joke of the fucking world feelsbadman
2020-07-29 02:06
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Russia M13F
come to na
2020-07-29 02:33
norway 0 superbowls tho
2020-07-29 02:39
Italy kevin_brot
$27 trillion in debt kek
2020-07-29 02:41
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