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Nitro isn’t getting kicked
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United States TrashPanda 
Liquid will make a 6 man roster. I don’t see Elige and adreN parting with their best friend. They’ll copy Astralis and having a roster like this will become the norm.
2020-07-30 15:03
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2020-07-30 15:04
#5
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United States TrashPanda
Why not when Liquid has the money?
2020-07-30 15:06
#11
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Sweden katt1n
Because 6 man rosters are fucking pointless and anyone with half a brain knows this.
2020-07-30 15:07
Best team in the world by far doesnt have half a brain confirmed by katt1n
2020-07-30 15:23
astralis is nowhere near being the best team atm...just saying
2020-07-30 15:37
It was pretty obvious that I was referring to the point in time when they made the 6 man roster...
2020-07-30 15:39
they went to crap since they announced it and created that 6+ man roster
2020-07-30 15:40
They went to crap since two of their players left the team. Why are you on a CS forum if you don't follow CS?
2020-07-30 15:42
so what...? it doesnt prove your point at all. the thing that astalis came with it doesnt mean that it will work and you showed them as an argument even tho that they didnt prove shit with their 6+ man roster for now
2020-07-30 15:43
Please rephrase in English
2020-07-30 15:44
clearly no arguments lmao...
2020-07-30 15:45
>Butcher the English language to the point of it being illegible >Opponent is unable to decipher your gibberish >"Clearly no arguments" >Profit
2020-07-30 15:46
you can easily understand my point even tho that my english sucks. you just pretend that you dont understand because you have nothing to say to prove your point omegalul
2020-07-30 15:48
"You can easily understand my point" -Person who made the point
2020-07-30 15:48
thanks for confirmation how clueless you rly are. wont waste more my time here since its pointless. bye
2020-07-30 15:49
Giving up so soon? Can't say I'm surprised. Better luck next time
2020-07-30 15:50
why would he continue this pointless dialog, if you already look like a fool?
2020-07-30 20:20
french canadian spotted xD
2020-07-31 04:07
"why would he continue this pointless dialog, if you already look like a fool?" Couldn´t have said it better
2020-07-31 04:53
Google the definition of irony, you'll get a good laugh.
2020-07-31 05:26
#115
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Netherlands poeya
just stfu kid you annoying af
2020-07-31 15:44
now say it without crying
2020-07-31 15:57
why start an argument when u've got a peanut brain?
2020-07-31 16:19
I hurt your feelings so much that you made 4 alt accounts
2020-07-31 16:27
m8 just stop
2020-07-31 19:55
or you'll make another alt account? I'm shaking
2020-08-01 07:41
you, NukestrikE, poeya, and RogueSpy are all extremely low iq
2020-07-31 16:22
#130
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Netherlands poeya
Who asked ?
2020-07-31 19:49
2020-08-01 18:39
#138
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Netherlands poeya
Nice Alt I guess
2020-08-01 21:34
a random kid's opinion, wow, i care so much
2020-07-31 19:51
Oh the irony
2020-08-01 07:42
oh poor kid
2020-08-05 15:47
you seemed to care when you intruded upon thread that had no involvement with you whatsoever unless it's your alt and you're just a pussy who has to fake people "agreeing" with him because he can't understand a simple fucking statement either way you seem to REALLY care a lot.
2020-08-01 18:42
yea, cause if find BigotHunter69 retarded, decided to remind him about that meanwhile, i dont care about u, dont even know who u are kid
2020-08-05 15:46
yea, cause if find alpha_introvert retarded, decided to remind him about that
2020-08-05 22:46
so sad that you cannot come up with something yourself, my small brain comrade F
2020-08-07 15:57
so sad that you cannot see the parellels I made with my comment concerning the irony of yours judging from the complete fucking idiocy you've displayed on this thread, I can tell that English and literature is definitely not your best subject in school
2020-08-08 03:14
ignore him, he is retarded
2020-07-30 20:19
yea i know. thats why i rather gave up
2020-07-30 20:30
#102
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Singapore Jaredlkj
HAHAHAHA
2020-07-31 04:55
F ur mom
2020-08-01 08:00
yes, and by this being the case it proves that if you dont have 5 players always playing you become shit
2020-07-30 15:44
huh?
2020-07-30 15:45
they became shit when they got 6th and 7th player this means that 6 or 7 player teams dont work
2020-07-30 15:47
Flawless logic
2020-07-30 15:47
name checks out
2020-07-30 20:01
#79
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United States RogueSpy
so they went to crap when they had to rely on the 6th and 7th man in the roster? sounds to me like the 6+ man roster is pretty dogshit then.
2020-07-30 20:15
"So I broke my wrist after eating a banana? Looks like bananas make your bones weak"
2020-07-31 04:07
#139
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United States RogueSpy
That is possibly the worst analogy I've ever read. Including ones that were bad intentionally. Congratulations, you're stupid!
2020-08-05 14:55
Admitted mentally handicapped man says my analogy doesn't meet his standards. Woe is me, what will I ever do?
2020-08-05 17:07
that's because two of their main players took somewhat sudden breaks, and they were replaced by only a decent player and an absolute bot
2020-07-31 02:58
that doesnt change the point tho. astralis didnt prove that it can work for now so why the hell did he use them as an example? they went from 1st to 11th place since then... im not saying that it cant work but astralis isnt an argument here at all
2020-07-31 12:09
You look at statistics very in an extremely narrow fashion, buddy. Others call you stupid. I am not going to do that. Astralis changed their very core - Now, the hard part is to fathom more than just a HLTV ranking system in this very matter. It was not supposed to be an epic demonstration on how 6-7-8-9-10 man roster works. It was about giving 2 exhausted players the well-deserved time off. Why they havent performed yet? I would call it obvious. The organization is a problem and the whole reason behind this whole more-than-5-man-roster idea, was because the squad was not allowed to take a break at the same time - Kind of like elementary school. All the kids can not walk out at the same time during class to go to the bathroom. Wait until someone comes back again and the teacher will give you permission. Shit like that works in a school. But a school aint real life. Then there is the urgency of finding someone who possibly could fit in. They start out playing with snappi and jugi, but signs es3tag for later on. That gives a good indication of the situation, they were being put in. Both snappi and jugi are decent players but nowhere close Astralis level and will probably never be. es3tag and bubzkji are the long term ideas. Both have the potential. Some said that about jugi, but it has been a very long time since he has shown that. Lets wait and see, what the rest of 2020 holds in store for us. I believe it can go both ways, all depending on the relationships in between the new squad as well as with the organization. Some already speculate that the old astralis core is trying to make a new team, apart from astralis. If that is case at hand, we will have no useful data to analyze, whether it makes sense or not to make a 5+ squad. TL;DR cant say yes or no yet.
2020-07-31 16:52
i surely agree with everything you said. since beginning till the end. about their org, about players wanting to take a break, about core players stepping down and about them filling slots with free agent players. really well written and i have exactly the same thoughts. i just dont understand why he used astralis as an argument because so far astralis didnt show that it can work. their performance went downhill since 1st player stepped down and it was even worse after the second one. it could be better if they would sign actually good players BUT we dont know that. thats why i used that ranking argument. i know that its kinda missleading bcs of snappi(stand in) and jugi(who was pretty bad) but its the only fact that he can look at for now you know... i think that it can work as well if they will try really hard and players wont feel butthurt if they will not play some tournaments bcs of their hypotetical individual slump but its just a speculation tho. but at this point i feel that their core players will leave astralis as well tbh. i dont know why but i have that feeling. especially after they actualy bought a player(bubzkji) but i might be wrong ofc. time will tell:)
2020-07-31 17:05
#117
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Israel wetz
+1
2020-07-31 15:48
ur braindead, the 6 man roster idea had nothing to do with them wanting to improve, but it rather has something to do with astralis being a scummy org
2020-07-30 16:41
hahaha cry is free, gimme ur salty tears
2020-07-30 16:51
2 iq user
2020-07-30 15:40
its a fact...
2020-07-30 15:41
#30 and #33 just shows that you didnt just make a stupid comment, you are actually stupid yourself.
2020-07-30 15:43
#39 show your danish flag please
2020-07-30 15:44
#28
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Denmark 4vs0
astralis isnt having a 6 man roster to have 6 players it was done specifically to combat xyp9x and gla1ve taking a break im fairly sure once they return, es3tag will basically never play again for the team
2020-07-30 15:37
#63
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Nepal Aguminok
actually they had the idea and announced it months before xyp and glaive left
2020-07-30 16:58
#64
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Denmark 4vs0
because gla1ve and xyp9x gave astralis time to come up with a replacement before they took a break u don't think they just woke up one day and were like "fuck this shit im quitting" they planned this break ahead of time and since the org is run well, they gave the org time to find temp replacements
2020-07-30 19:36
#66
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Nepal Aguminok
>org is run well >doesnt let the players have a proper time off xaxaxaxaxaaxaxaxxaaxxaax nice
2020-07-30 19:50
#67
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Denmark 4vs0
nice red herring astralis only brought extra players because they knew ahead of time xyp and gla1ve wanted time off, when u accept that it'll be over
2020-07-30 19:51
#68
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Nepal Aguminok
what about rest of them? all team wanted to have a break but forced to play
2020-07-30 19:52
#69
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Denmark 4vs0
or, the other players still want to play, being tired is a person to person thing 2 people could do the same amount of work, one tired, other still motivated
2020-07-30 19:53
#70
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Nepal Aguminok
wym other players still want to play, they literally said themselves that they wanted to have some time off too but werent allowed
2020-07-30 19:54
#72
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Denmark 4vs0
i didnt hear this news but it doesnt change the fact that astralis only found more than 5 players because they knew ahead of time that a few needed a break thats the point of this discussion so try not to start other arguements
2020-07-30 19:56
#75
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Nepal Aguminok
not starting anything, u mentioned astralis is a well run org i said its not
2020-07-30 20:06
#76
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Denmark 4vs0
yes i mentioned a portion and u took that mention and started a new argument which is the definition of a strawman and I've already admitted i wasn't fully educated on that small detail so we can move past it and finish the real discussion unless u have anything else to add about the 6 man roster its over
2020-07-30 20:07
"Best team in the world by far" Its not 2018 anymore,you know
2020-07-30 15:44
#65
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Switzerland Jeded
Before Glaive and xyp took their brake they were undeniably number 1 in the world
2020-07-30 19:40
#88
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Sweden katt1n
My sweet summer child...
2020-07-31 01:05
Stupid user spotted.
2020-07-30 15:23
+1
2020-07-30 15:37
#54
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Finland AleksiBOT
Yes, b0tstralis only did to give their players a break otherwise, strategy wise it is a dumb concept
2020-07-30 15:51
I mean .. yea
2020-07-30 19:54
U wish
2020-07-30 15:04
lmaooo Liquid copying Astralis cause they got their ass whoped so much be them. Made them their bitch! They better learn from the best
2020-07-30 15:04
lmaooo astralis copying Ago cause they got their ass whoped so much be them. Made them their bitch! They better learn from the best
2020-07-30 15:19
ago top 1
2020-07-31 02:59
It made Astralis even shittier
2020-07-30 22:27
#4
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Sweden AvoyY
Only teams who can afford having a big roster... most likely only cloud9 and astralias and fnc
2020-07-30 15:05
#7
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United States TrashPanda
Lmao what? Dude Liquid has crazy money. Michael Jordan is a part owner ffs
2020-07-30 15:06
#10
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China KoreanFan
Lol since when?
2020-07-30 15:07
#12
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United States TrashPanda
Shouldn’t have to do research for you when you could google but google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/esports/st..
2020-07-30 15:09
#14
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China KoreanFan
Parent company. I thought he invested directly like J Lo, Shaq or Offset.
2020-07-30 15:11
#21
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United States TrashPanda
Oh yeah huge difference 🙄
2020-07-30 15:23
#25
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China KoreanFan
I'm sorry, I'm not into business so too much. 😔
2020-07-30 15:35
#83
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United States TrashPanda
It’s ok Mens))
2020-07-30 20:38
#85
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China KoreanFan
Did you just wake up my friend? :? Edit: Just checked your time of the reply. Sry.
2020-07-30 22:17
If he invested in 2018, he probably would have earned so much in 2019 because Liquid was dominating in numerous esports that year. WP for him.
2020-07-30 15:18
csgo intel grand slam, dota 2 TI finalist, that's the only thing i can remember, is there more?
2020-07-31 04:18
LoL team did well winning their 4th NA LCS split in a row. Mango did well and of course the CSGO team was the majority of winning. Very, very strong showing from an eSports team and the only one that could rival that would be G2.
2020-07-31 04:40
goddamn that's a lot
2020-07-31 04:46
liquid is a richer org than astralis and fnatic pretty sure
2020-07-30 15:17
#22
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United States TrashPanda
They are
2020-07-30 15:24
liquid is way richer than both fnatic and astralis lol...
2020-07-30 15:20
They should kick stewie instead of nitro, nitro was better igl.
2020-07-30 15:06
#77
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Not really. Liquid's tactics were never anything special. The summer 2019 domination was like 95% because everyone in the team was just clicking heads.
2020-07-30 20:11
don't forget that all liquid members relies on momentum, since they won against astralis on IBP tournament early 2019, they felt like they defeated their demons and can take the whole world
2020-07-31 04:20
#107
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Finland HARD4ENCE
Until they were brought back to reality in Berlin major quarter final..
2020-07-31 12:05
Month long breaks often have good (or bad) effects on teams. There's no doubt they are a momentum based team at least in the current iteration. 2018 Liquid was much more Astralis lite. 2019 Liquid was NA pug style with the crispest aim anyone's ever seen. Adding in a guy who can frag out might be what they need. We'll see.
2020-07-31 15:45
#122
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Finland HARD4ENCE
In terms of firepower I think Liquid beats Astralis. Astralis is just so good at making every situation like 1vX against Liquid that Liquid guys very rarely have straight 1v1 duel and instead it's always like 1v2, or 1v3 or something like that. Isolating players so they are always cornered and outnumbered. Though I'm not sure why it's mostly Liquid games that look like that. Even like some t2 teams seem to have easier time playing Astralis than Liquid. Maybe this will change with the replacement of nitr0.
2020-07-31 16:11
Well despite breaking the mental barrier on a few occasions in 2019 I think it's pretty clear Liquid still has a mental barrier when it comes to Astralis. I mean we spent two years watching Liquid maul every team not named Astralis and then would watch them play Astralis close or get blown out but until 2019 it was always a loss even when other teams were beating them. Like in Cologne Liquid fucking smashed Vitality right after Vitality beat Astralis. Just goes to show you really how important confidence and mentality is.
2020-07-31 16:13
+1 man Why liquid still have shit2k wtf
2020-07-31 12:11
Wouldn't be the first time they were astralis lite (see late 2018) also press X to doubt
2020-07-30 15:07
Well, that would be a good move. But, hes leaving dude. I bet he still wants to play actively and not be a 6th player/backup. nitr0 could easily join C9 or GenG.
2020-07-30 15:07
Most likely though hes going to ENVY.
2020-07-31 04:43
I see what you mean but nitr0s tweet 1 or 2 days ago really makes it look like he is actually officially out of team Liquid.
2020-07-30 15:10
#104
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Japan eternaL_
Yep. The Liquid co-CEO posted a video where he talks about changes too, if it’s just adding one player I don’t think they’d go out of their way to do that.
2020-07-31 04:59
I think the reason he made the video is because they have kicked their long-serving player and he felt like he needed to explain the situation personally. I dont think we will see any other changes.
2020-07-31 12:20
maybe Nitro will leave cuz he felt lost?
2020-07-30 15:25
Imagine staying when some asian kid with the ego of a continent comes in and A/ steals you IGL role B/ takes away all the spots you like to play C/ takes away your AWP, the one thing you made an impact with Yeah, fuck Stew.
2020-07-30 15:27
Nitr0 > stewie2kek Pls -Bot2kek
2020-07-30 15:38
If glaive and xyp never took a break astralis would have never gone 7 man
2020-07-30 15:40
+1
2020-07-30 15:41
They're not best friends. Just colleague and EliGe couldn't be happier with the kick if that means they can start winning again.
2020-07-30 15:41
You don't play on a team with someone for 5 years and not be friends xd
2020-07-30 15:46
being friends for 5 years doesn't mean you'll be friends for life...
2020-07-30 16:03
Spending the majority of those 5 years constantly with each other sharing the same experiences probably does, though.
2020-07-30 16:37
Flag checks out
2020-07-30 22:19
#89
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France Insidium
+11111
2020-07-31 02:53
flag checks out u cant even have people living for 5 years(btw im not from brazil)
2020-07-31 10:23
expected
2020-08-05 15:54
lul i played with the same people for 7 years and lost contact to most of them after a few weeks when it was over xD
2020-07-30 19:59
Not talking about your mm team bro
2020-07-30 20:11
#84
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United States TrashPanda
Eh. I’ve worked with people for 5 years and barely had more than a handful of conversations, Ive also been on the same wrestling team with people for 3-4 years and never became friends with them, loved them as a team mate, but never like hung out or anything lmao. He’s right. But Elige and Nitro have been together side by side forever. I just don’t see Nitro going away when you can have a 6 man format and Nitro seems like a pretty selfless dude
2020-07-30 20:40
Also if you watch the vlogs, the 4 of them are all REALLY close. Always joking, being chill, and talking with other teams. Outside of the game though teams are REALLY respectful which I found surprising. They all know each other and are super friendly and sometimes banter. Good to see TBH
2020-07-31 15:51
Imagine EliGe and AdreN going to management asking for an inactive 6th player because he's their friend
2020-07-31 03:06
nitr0 uses keyboard, grim uses mouse
2020-07-31 04:34
#103
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Singapore Jaredlkj
NANI LMAO
2020-07-31 04:56
big brain
2020-07-31 15:50
+1111
2020-07-31 12:06
0/8 nitr0 has been utter dogshit for the entirety of 2020, he isn't even IGL-ing anymore, he might be put on the bench for a bit but i doubt we will see him come back if they add someone else (like Grim) over him.
2020-07-31 12:22
Nitro isn't getting kicked that's my understanding as well. But he's probably just going to sit on the bench until his contract runs out or another team buys him out. And honestly they're are plenty of NA teams that could use him. You could slot him into JT's spot on C9 and have an instant upgrade. I hate to say this but you could probably make Daps a coach and have him work with Nitro as Gen.G's IGL and have an instant upgrade (sorry daps). It's not like there aren't places he could go where he could still be effective and sometimes a change of scenery is all you need.
2020-07-31 15:41
why did he say goodbye on twitter then
2020-07-31 15:43
They are actually copying AGO lul
2020-07-31 15:49
I just think glave and xyp9x want to take a vacation so Astralis find temporary substitution for them. They will be back before the next RMR event. They skip the summer RMR because they dont want to switch twice and take the points damage twice. I don't think liquid is the same situation. There is no point to make the change during the player break.
2020-07-31 17:11
Even if he is getting kicked he will find a new team. I'ts like IGL-s curse, they are first to ''get kicked'' when a team needs to change.
2020-08-05 15:03
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