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Finland TuureBoelius 
I have been thinking about moving out from my country (Finland) when the coronavirus crisis has ended. I am a young software engineer. I also have an msc in economics and business administration. I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country. Where should I move? I've been thinking about the US and Singapore.
2020-07-31 16:47
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why move?
2020-07-31 16:48
He did say why so maybe read the post again and you'll get the answer
2020-07-31 17:02
us has a lot of new corona cases daily...
2020-07-31 16:48
when the coronavirus crisis has ended
2020-07-31 17:33
haha cool story
2020-08-01 20:05
I didn't say it, he did.
2020-08-01 20:53
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United Kingdom Noided
If you're white = USA if you're Finnish = Russia You're welcome, friend
2020-07-31 16:48
If you're gay = UK
2020-07-31 16:57
+1
2020-07-31 19:52
#46
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United Kingdom alcazar4
men( not all uk, i love ruski men
2020-07-31 19:53
take it back, ruskis are disabled
2020-08-03 10:33
#137
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Mongolia k0ng0
+1
2020-08-03 11:42
why would he leave from 1 tax gap to another?
2020-07-31 17:12
#49
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Russia win73ry
32% in Finland and 13% in Russia.
2020-07-31 20:04
Russian actual taxes are way higher.
2020-07-31 20:05
#51
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Russia win73ry
Educate me about ACTUAL taxes none except you knows about.
2020-07-31 20:05
pikabu.ru/story/realnyie_nalogi_v_rossii.. just read the article, I was thinking like you in the past.
2020-07-31 20:06
2020-08-01 20:19
legendary song mens))
2020-08-02 07:54
He's right, though. The actual percentage of income (if we assume that it's all spent) that some regular Russian worker pays in taxes is close to 50%
2020-08-01 15:27
2020-08-01 20:18
bold
2020-08-01 22:05
F
2020-08-03 06:13
#118
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United States Hindy
any race can make it in USA and everyone is safe, I don't care what the media says
2020-08-03 08:53
#128
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Finland Hassu
0/8
2020-08-03 09:51
#4
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Peru TheJuan
Brasil is good choice
2020-07-31 16:48
good choice to don't go
2020-07-31 16:50
#6
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Peru TheJuan
ok
2020-07-31 16:51
#15
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Brazil Gtlovin
nice maninho
2020-07-31 17:04
If you ask where then you are clearly not ready to move out, lol.
2020-07-31 16:53
+1 also asking on hltv
2020-07-31 20:10
#8
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Lebanon Dogman69
Thailand
2020-07-31 16:54
move to china
2020-07-31 16:59
#17
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Finland R3ALMM
Getting beat and jailed by the communist state best mens
2020-07-31 17:06
i praise the lord then break the law
2020-07-31 17:23
#41
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Finland R3ALMM
The lord of german cs Stfn
2020-07-31 19:36
No doubts))
2020-07-31 19:50
afghanistan
2020-07-31 17:01
estonia ofc
2020-07-31 17:03
yes hltv will surely give you great advice
2020-07-31 17:04
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Brazil DanieruBSB
Brazil, you should go to the southern part that is colder, some parts even snow! I recomend the city of Florianópolis in the state of Santa Catarina, it's hella safe there.
2020-07-31 17:04
I am going to Brazil again in the future but I have never been in the South. What is the city you talked about like?
2020-08-01 15:14
#69
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Brazil DanieruBSB
The south has a lot of an european shape cuz lots of europeans came there in the 20th century. So you could feel a little bit in home there? PS: Is a more German, Italian, Dutck like style. but florianopolis is a big city though, so u can't see that, but the rest of the cities in the south are.
2020-08-01 18:35
I don't know Southern Brazil at all, but I do know how toxic Southerners can be. But the places look cool tho.
2020-08-01 18:35
#73
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Brazil DanieruBSB
nice
2020-08-01 20:04
#19
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Germany Playboy51
If you want to move out just because of the sake of paying less tax, you should move to a country where you dont pay much income tax.
2020-07-31 17:08
wie kann man so schlau sein bruder
2020-07-31 19:51
Looking at the degrees....japan/korea would give you ransoms
2020-07-31 17:16
Come to Poland mens :) Dont listen to what they say about it on hltv:0 And if you have some savings its dirt cheap for you, cheap vodka, kurwas and not that far from your motherland:)
2020-07-31 17:17
whhat city u reccomend men
2020-07-31 17:22
Well, he is software eng so, the capital Warsaw is one of the most dynamic and fastest developing cities in europe, personally I like Wroclaw the most (southern poland not far from germany and prague). Avoid katowice I guess. Krakow is nice as well but too many tourists for me. Gdansk is also changing really fast lately.
2020-07-31 17:36
Gdynia Szczecin Katowice Krakow Rest is irrelevant x)
2020-07-31 17:45
u need spend 5000 years to learn Polish )))
2020-07-31 17:50
True.
2020-08-01 15:15
if he worked for software company in Warsaw I think he could just speak english
2020-08-01 20:09
#132
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Poland mlodzier
If you are IT i reccomend Gdansk, you can earn money like 6-11k zlotys per month (if you foreigner they will probably pay you much better) which is pretty good compared to cost of living
2020-08-03 10:31
Nice gdansk is so close to my home Lund I just go trelleborg > gdansk ferry. Hope there is good place for find womanses)) too
2020-08-03 11:01
#136
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Poland mlodzier
Dude its good place for living a lot of stuff going on there (opener for example), good restaurants, good pubs and Gdansk is connected with the whole Threecity (Sopot,Gdynia) with SKM (kinda like metro but slower and not underground) and even further so you have a lot of to explore, bicycle-friendly town and a lot of opportunities to find woman too man if I would programmist/IT/engineer software i could deffo stay there
2020-08-03 11:10
I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country I'm currently being taxed to death by socialist country which part didn't u understand
2020-08-01 20:10
australia is the way my man
2020-07-31 17:19
+1 Sydney for money and business, Melbourne for vibes. Lived there few years I highly recomennd.
2020-07-31 17:38
Highly recommended for skin cancer too
2020-08-02 08:06
just buy a hat. problem solved
2020-08-02 12:05
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Europe the_NDR
You should be glad that you live in Finland, every Finn ive met has no real intent of leaving, dont want to lower their standard of living lol Odense in DK is good, close to home, good healthcare, society isnt on the verge of collapse, Tallinn for the same reasons. if you want to leave Europe I'd suggest Vancouver, Toronto, or Montreal. im not gonna tell you not to move to Singapore or the US, but both arent really doing too well at the moment
2020-07-31 17:31
why ?
2020-07-31 17:23
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Europe the_NDR
singapore is an oligarchy, that has been run by the same family its entire history + no chewing gum usa is generally a downgrade, lower qual medical care, lower standard of living, more intolerant society, more corrupt than all EU except bulgaria and hungary. The US economy is collapsing and there is an abundance of software engineers there already Canada is just USA done right.
2020-07-31 17:27
All salaries are higher in the US because they have very little PTO, lower quality healthcare etc. Tech salaries are even higher relative to other salaries than in Europe, but be aware that they aren't as high as they might seem. for instance, this (cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-a..https://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/23/heres-how-much-the-average-american-spends-on-health-care.html says that the average american spends $10,000 a year on healthcare average PTO in finland is 30 days, in the US it is 10 days
2020-07-31 17:28
#30
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Europe the_NDR
with american insurance costs as well as car related payments (no real mass transit/walkable areas), it comes to pretty much the same as EU, with the added benefit of a shit healthcare system that treats you like a product instead of a person
2020-07-31 17:29
Depends on your field.
2020-08-01 18:11
It is different for software engineers, as a software engineer moving from Europe to America will see a bigger salary increase than most people. However, just looking at salaries gives you an incomplete picture of what the employment situation is. A software engineer is the absolute best case scenario, but even then it isn't a no brainer.
2020-08-01 21:56
'Murica 3rd world country. Most people I know with avg salaries there barely get by
2020-08-01 18:43
It's different for software engineers, but it's still a mistake to think that you can just move to the US, double your salary and keep the same working/living conditions.
2020-08-01 21:58
I mean, it was a stereotypical comment. I think some states there are pretty good. But then, if you have a degree from a college in software eng, you can get have a pretty good life in most of EU.
2020-08-01 23:30
#31
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Czech Republic LidoOP
Monaco
2020-07-31 17:31
Go to any country that you can already speak the language. Dont even consider the others you will just waste a lot of time and opportunities
2020-07-31 17:36
California
2020-07-31 17:37
#121
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United States Hindy
yessir best state but a bit expensive, south cali > north cali
2020-08-03 08:59
#37
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Spain 1996
quit larping and get a job
2020-07-31 17:40
I have a job
2020-08-01 15:10
Go to March with Elon Musk's team. The only place with no taxes currently (until USA invades to send democracy there to save alliens)
2020-07-31 18:12
"march" time travel pogchamp
2020-07-31 20:09
WELCOME OT RUSSIA FINLAND BROTHER!
2020-07-31 19:52
#97
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Russia ToughGuy
That's what stalin said 😎
2020-08-02 07:02
#47
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Russia win73ry
If I were to move out of Finland, I'd definitely go to the US.
2020-07-31 19:56
Monaco, Switzerland, Andorra
2020-07-31 19:58
#54
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Norway jatakk
or Liechtenstein
2020-07-31 20:10
Is not it incredibly hard to move to Liechtenstein? I have a morbid curiousity about what is Liechtenstein like.
2020-08-01 15:18
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Norway jatakk
short research: "Foreign nationals wishing to live in Liechtenstein require a residence pemit. A total of 89 such residence permits are granted by the government each year to citizens of EEA states and Swiss nationals." very low odds to be able to move there
2020-08-01 17:18
If I someday win the lottery, I am surely going there.
2020-08-01 17:23
#64
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Norway jatakk
I know you dont want to say which country you are from, but can you at least tell me if its in Europe or not?
2020-08-01 17:27
I won't say anything. Also, how do you know that? This place makes me hella fucking depressed. Whenever you tune in the news you only see disgrace and more disgrace. Poverty, shootouts, news of people being killed, people talking about beheadings, drugs, paramilitary organizations spreading terror and extortion... I will need years of preparation to get out of here. My other option? Maybe asking for asylum in New Zealand so I can finally be free from this place.
2020-08-01 17:50
#67
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Norway jatakk
you told me that since I asked why you fakeflagged a while ago. Seems like your country have actually become a legit insecure for you
2020-08-01 18:10
from what I heard claiming asylum is a much harder process than you may think
2020-08-03 09:41
Fuck. I'm out of options then.
2020-08-03 15:36
Where would you recommend? The only foreign language I can kinda speak is English. I can't wait years to move, things are only going to get worse.
2020-08-03 15:42
I can't really tell you for sure without knowing which country you're from, but chances are if there's a western country involved in whichever country you're from (like the US with Iran), it'll be much easier to claim asylum. Idk if claiming asylum itself is even worth it though because if they don't accept you, you'll be sent back to your country for them to do whatever they want. Then again I'm not much of an expert, so take this with a grain of salt
2020-08-04 11:07
”Taxed to death” lol work in Sweden for a month
2020-08-01 15:13
tax rates seem to be mostly similar
2020-08-01 22:10
Yeah now that you mention it.
2020-08-02 00:50
USA also is a high tax country and you will have difficulty to start a business, it is designed to give monopoly to big companies because they own the government I would recommend sg if you have a high end idea, but the competition is strong and the government will only let high quality because they can choose I worked in sg for a few years, it is run very well, but the weather is not good
2020-08-01 17:31
"USA is a high tax country" ???????
2020-08-01 22:10
USA has high tax rate and very aggressive tax collection policy
2020-08-02 06:32
2019 tax brackets (for taxes due July 15, 2020) TAX RATE SINGLE HEAD OF HOUSEHOLD MARRIED FILING JOINTLY OR QUALIFYING WIDOW MARRIED FILING SEPARATELY Source: IRS 10% $0 to $9,700 $0 to $13,850 $0 to $19,400 $0 to $9,700 12% $9,701 to $39,475 $13,851 to $52,850 $19,401 to $78,950 $9,701 to $39,475 22% $39,476 to $84,200 $52,851 to $84,200 $78,951 to $168,400 $39,476 to $84,200 24% $84,201 to $160,725 $84,201 to $160,700 $168,401 to $321,450 $84,201 to $160,725 32% $160,726 to $204,100 $160,701 to $204,100 $321,451 to $408,200 $160,726 to $204,100 35% $204,101 to $510,300 $204,101 to $510,300 $408,201 to $612,350 $204,101 to $306,175 37% $510,301 or more $510,301 or more $612,351 or more $306,176 or more lower then most of europe
2020-08-03 06:09
It is lower federal income tax then most of one of highest tax rate countries in the world, okay? it is still high tax country comparatively, especially for business owner or wealthy. also very high corporate tax, payroll tax, property tax, capital gains tax, and more state income tax and vat with that. And the tax is for global income source, and Americans have to pay tax to USA without even living in that shithole It is not like real low tax jurisdiction like malaysia, singapore, switzerland, uae, qatar, kuwait, monaco, andorra, hk, estonia, latvia, panama, vietnam, taiwan, georgia. Even russia and mainland china are taking less taxes than USA. In Europe Romania, Hungary, Ukraine, Belarus are preferred than USA.
2020-08-03 08:04
USA has far more opportunities then aglorified communist dictatorship like Belarus, and obviously the USA isn't a fucking tax haven, but it still has lower taxes then most western developed countries.
2020-08-03 08:47
USA is also essentially a communist dictatorship
2020-08-03 08:49
kekw what
2020-08-03 08:50
State controlled economy, or more specifically the Jews who control the state control the economy. They are borrowing money from Jews to give no bid contracts to the same Jews (often on military products to fight wars for Israel), then take taxes from people to pay interest on their debt to Jews. Their entire country is a scam system to enrich Jews. If you try to compete they will just sue you and you lose. And they have the state enforced monopoly for many things like healthcare and telecommunication company.
2020-08-03 08:56
source? cuz thats wild cheif, be great if you could back it up
2020-08-03 08:56
There are sources for many specific events, for a holistic understanding of geopolitics books are more appropriate.. I would recommend: The International Jew, Henry Ford The Strength of the Wolf, Douglas Valentine Big Israel, Grant Smith Classified Woman, Sibel Edmonds Prelude to Terror, Joseph Trento An important thing to understand: The Mafia (Jewish), intelligence agency, media, is highly interconnected interests
2020-08-03 09:16
Can you pull any of the direct information from these? information that isn't total bs? Several of these have... mixed credibility to say the least.
2020-08-03 09:31
I'm not seeing how this would be of any concern to a software engineer unless you were anti-semitic or something
2020-08-03 09:47
The best states in the U.S have no income nor sales tax, and very low property taxes.
2020-08-03 10:19
#71
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France Efon
Finland is a bad country ???
2020-08-01 18:41
Monaco?
2020-08-01 20:06
Singapore is pretty expensive for living but if you earn good money and can afford it then why not. I'd suggest to visit it as a tourist first, perhaps you the climate won't be comfortable for you.
2020-08-01 20:09
Luxembourg...
2020-08-01 20:19
USA is great for people if money isn't a problem You can live in basically whatever climate you want, and every state has wildly different cultures/law codes I'd recommend Texas if you're not worried about absurdly hot summers, as it has a great job market atm and low taxes compared to other big states New England is otherwise great but also has relatively high taxes
2020-08-01 22:09
Anywhere is great if you have money. What's your point?
2020-08-01 23:31
USA especially so* lots of opportunities and low taxes
2020-08-02 00:36
2020-08-02 00:48
#129
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Finland Hassu
so send them away mens)))
2020-08-03 09:54
maybe read a book about history of social science and social reforms, because the foundations of that made you be anything more than a son of a drunk peasant. Perhaps you owe your """socialist""" country a bit more than you think. Then again, you could also be a hopeless retard uncapable to widening your train of thoughs. In that case I recommend you go to USA.
2020-08-02 00:49
The US, Delaware: lots of tech/fintech companies, no VAT. Good weather, close to big cities, safe... People talking about healthcare are quite clueless. If you work in a good company they will provide a good health insurance with full coverage that you'll have to pay very little/year (based on your usage. My last insurance in the US covered any expenses that went above USD 400).
2020-08-02 00:49
NZ for sure, great experience every time I’ve visited. Taxes there are apparently great as well. Along with that, a lot of things like banks and drivers licenses are shared with Australia so travelling to Aus is a breeze if you ever wish to
2020-08-02 07:12
#99
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Germany eXiownaGe
Consider Switzerland. They pay a lot for IT Experts and the tax is very low. Of course the cost of living is expensive but overall u can save a lot of money and Living standards is very high and also very safe country.
2020-08-02 07:33
30 000€ per month?
2020-08-02 17:58
#107
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Germany eXiownaGe
No, maybe ~ 10.000 / month if u are very good (SAP expert)
2020-08-03 05:51
Ah ok
2020-08-03 08:08
Id say US tbh after the pandemic, software developers are definitely in high demand for businesses
2020-08-02 08:21
Isn't denmark system-friendly? Plus is closer in culture than other places. If not, then yeah, America sounds like a good place. Best part is that it has almost all of the weathers that you'd want to live in.
2020-08-02 09:32
Norway, easily the best choice. Oslo has cheaper apartments than Helsinki and there is way better salary.
2020-08-02 09:44
you'll get taxed to death in both singapore and us, best thing u can do is stay in finland/any country tbh and get your money before taxes in an off shore account and declare your income at the end of the year ex : you get payd 2k before taxes 700-1k after taxes , declare that you've earned 400 for the whole fiscal year of 2019 for ex...
2020-08-03 05:56
Estonia
2020-08-03 06:17
Canada
2020-08-03 08:05
#124
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Sweden cfoxen
Less income tax and cheap housing with large market for engineering? 100% the USA. Florida and Texas I believe have zero income tax, and housing is cheap AF. If Florida, some nice areas are saint Augustine, Boca Raton, Naples, and st. Petersburg. Texas not as sure, but I've heard it's really nice. Even other countries like the UK aren't as bad, and even Canada which still has socialized healthcare. Currently moving from USA back to Sweden or UK, so kind of the opposite lol
2020-08-03 09:37
Move to Mars with Elon Musk and X Æ A-Xii. You can grow potatoes there and write software as much as u want.
2020-08-03 09:41
1) Estonia 2) Nevada-Florida-Arizona 3) South Korea 4) Singapore These are the only places where taxes aren't insane, and they're not that low in South Korea neither but they're a lot lower than Nordic countries.
2020-08-03 10:13
USA> then return to WINLAND Africa, why not. POLAND, should be very good.
2020-08-03 10:37
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