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Brazil IsFree 
How has your government reacted to this stupid false hope? Mine is trynna get boxes of it, now that the health ministery is full of cops and military, since they fired all the actual doctors
2020-07-31 22:56
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I don't understand how they benefit from trying to push this ineffective drug forward
2020-07-31 22:57
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United Kingdom alcazar4
recent studies have found its much more effective than the control, a fact that was extremely surprising to msm.
2020-07-31 22:58
You gonna link any studies?
2020-07-31 22:59
#8
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Brazil IsFree
#5 lol, I dont think people defending a algae killing drug as a antivirus miracle have ever read a medical study
2020-07-31 23:01
#17
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United Kingdom alcazar4
there are various contrasting medical studies, you dont know, for sure, yet whether it is effective and neither does anyone else. some studies have said its effective in certain scenarios, some have said it isnt. most of the stuff against it is "TRUMP SAID ITS GOOD SO IT MUST BE BAD", which im automatically not going to trust.
2020-07-31 23:05
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United Kingdom alcazar4
2nd to last one has been withdrawn btw read the 1st sentence of the 2nd study you just sent me. there is conflicting data. im not going to spend the next 3 hours looking for a random manuscript that shows it can be effective in certain circumstances, that alone demonstrates that there is reasonable doubt (if you believe the links you sent me, which you seem to).
2020-07-31 23:18
#24
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Brazil IsFree
Im asking you to link a study that proves it effectiveness, albeit somehow inconsistentently, there is still no data whatsoever that remotely suggests CLQ could cure covid
2020-07-31 23:21
#25
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United Kingdom alcazar4
i literally never said that it can cure covid, but there is evidence (i really cant be bothered to scour articles) that it can be beneficial in certain scenarios. often not even to actually fight sars-cov-2, simply because its effective against potentially comorbid viruses. BUT, it can save lives, and assuming its useless because some stupid populist said it cured them is totally moronic.
2020-07-31 23:23
#28
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Brazil IsFree
You cant be bother to scour articles cuz you havent bothered to go trought 8 years of med school so that some moron on the internet can undermind serious research by "NOT BELIVING ON IT" LMFAO
2020-07-31 23:29
#31
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United Kingdom alcazar4
its not like the people who have gone through 8 years of med school have some sort of universal agreement, if this was clearly not a valid treatment, it would not be debated using lines like "there is conflicting data".
2020-07-31 23:37
#33
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Brazil IsFree
Lemme show you another study ajtmh.org/content/journals/10.4269/ajtmh.. this study shows that CLQ is a usefull treatment of P. falciparum nad P. vivax infections, specially when coupled with other sinthetic versions of quinin. Thats because when there is an actual result to be shown, it shows. If I threated HIV with vodka, the results would be inconclusive BECAUSE THERE IS NO EFFECTIVENESS TO BE CONCLUDED Therefore I can almost categorically say that CLQ has no effectiveness SARS-COV19, certainly not enough to justify using it
2020-07-31 23:36
#38
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United Kingdom alcazar4
im aware of how medical studies work, but you literally arent reading what im saying at this point. its like youve decided on a talking point and are just reciting it, over and over. "if this was clearly not a valid treatment, it would not be debated using lines like "there is conflicting data"."
2020-07-31 23:39
#39
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Brazil IsFree
The data is conflicting because the disiase already has an ~95% natural recovery rate on symptomatic cases, that makes up for one of the weirdest samples ever, but statistically speaking the drug doesnt help more than it guives you cardiac arythmia
2020-07-31 23:41
#43
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United Kingdom alcazar4
googled it and, within seconds, found a study showing apparent efficacy, your instant dismissal of it shows a pretty severe bias. pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32074550/
2020-07-31 23:47
#46
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Brazil IsFree
According to the study you linked, by Gao Q. the pharmachological properties of HCQ make it suitable for a preliminary study that would prove or not its efficiency (eg. antitermical effects, etc). This was in april. Since then the aforementioned study has been done, AND PULLED BY THE FDA AND WHO, CUZ IT WAS INEFICIENT
2020-07-31 23:51
#49
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United Kingdom alcazar4
inefficient? or ineffective? im open to the possibility that its ineffective, but that was honestly never my point. the fact that you feel the need to explain each medical study already indicates that theres a reasonable amount of doubt around the subject, especially for the average person. so to think that everyone who is fooled by some stupid populist is a moron, even when there are literally articles apparently backing this claim, is just as moronic.
2020-07-31 23:58
#50
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Brazil IsFree
The key word here is "average person". Leave the studies and their interpretations to people that studied the matter at hand, specially those at the FDA and WHO
2020-08-01 00:00
#51
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United Kingdom alcazar4
and just let the plebs live in the darkness of ignorance, thats an excellent idea. that way they can easily be fooled by stupid populists into taking a miracle drug, thats a reaaaally good idea.
2020-08-01 00:01
#53
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Brazil IsFree
The plebs can go to med school for 8 fucking years if they wanna learn, its impossible to make the average brazilian understand simple statistics, let alone complex epidemiology That said, you do have a point about spreading knowledge, I'm just not smart enough to come up with a solution
2020-08-01 00:03
#61
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United Kingdom alcazar4
if you want to educate people, which you seemingly want to, you shouldnt enter into such a conversation with the assumption (like in the thread post) that its stupid to believe such a thing.
2020-08-01 00:18
#62
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Brazil IsFree
The stupid thing is to invest milions of my tax buckaroos on a drug studies find ineficient, but you're right, the only thing stupid out of this entire situation is the neglected state on which public education finds itself
2020-08-01 00:21
#65
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United Kingdom alcazar4
it has become, unfortunately, an extremely partisan issue, which is really stupid. just look at #26, insulting someone because they believe that its possible hcq has positive effects - but not just insulting them. insulting the assumed beliefs that they think someone would have who thinks as such. all that does is promote defensiveness about one's beliefs and push them towards believing in miracle drugs even more.
2020-08-01 00:25
#70
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Brazil IsFree
Agreed
2020-08-01 00:32
Current research seems to indicate that it's effective in the early stages of coronavirus and largely ineffective in the latter stages, or in extremely severe cases. Nobody has also come out and proven either way that there are or aren't side effects from taking it, so right now I'd probably steer clear of it - but then again I'm also staying far away from any vaccines that come out until I've seen the effects on others first. tl;dr: These studies aren't bullshit but people cherrypick the findings to support their own opinions, and it goes both ways. For now it's still probably best to avoid using it imo.
2020-08-01 00:24
#66
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United Kingdom alcazar4
yeah, #49. my issue isnt whether or not it can be effective, its that this information isnt easily accessible - so to insult someone on something like this is extremely foolish.
2020-08-01 00:27
Totally agreed.
2020-08-01 00:28
lol you are braindead
2020-08-01 04:48
#26
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Canada Minami
Man, he trusts his guts!! Don't go around with actual medical researches, he won't bother to even read the abstract because all scientists in the world are part of whatever conspiracy he saw on FB.
2020-07-31 23:25
#27
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Brazil IsFree
Stupidity has to have reached a new high when people stop trusting scholars for fucking functional illiterates on FB, all the data in the world is a click away but they rather click on trump's twitter. Now look at this transvestite of a president: g1.globo.com/rs/rio-grande-do-sul/notici.. fucker posed to a crowd (yes he rallied a crowd) with cloroquin
2020-07-31 23:28
#42
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Canada Minami
People need to believe in something, faith cannot be contradicted by reason or words. They believe in the community they first chose, then they will just denigrate everything that don't go their way, unless there's an emotional link about it. Bolsonaro is great at rallying people, because he's telling what they want to hear. He's always near people, talking to trashmen like equals. Brasil want that, because it's against the old corrupted politicians image. The man can be great or the devil himself, it doesn't matter.
2020-07-31 23:45
#45
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United Kingdom alcazar4
now thats baffling, having an open mind and being open to the possibility that a drug, which has been shown by some studies to be effective (pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32074550/),https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32074550/), could possibly have some sort of efficacy is now equivalent to religious faith in bolsonaro? implying that im religious or a bolsonaro supporter? really, stop making such idiotic judgements and assumptions.
2020-07-31 23:50
#47
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Brazil IsFree
Read the "study" lmfao, #46. It suggests tests for HCQ for COVID, The tests themselves proved it ineffcient
2020-07-31 23:53
#54
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Canada Minami
I wasn't talking to you, but to Isfree because he linked an article about Bolsonaro. Don't barge into a discussion without reading the whole thread. You never said anything about Bolsonaro, so why would I talk about your political views? Your study is from march, IsFree's are from april/may! Research takes time and an hypothesis is right until proven wrong. The last researches on chloroquin states that it's inconclusive. So it's not worse nor better for most of the groups. It's hard to say it's usefull when it's inconclusive...
2020-08-01 00:03
#56
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United Kingdom alcazar4
youre literally talking about me you fucking imbecile
2020-08-01 00:04
#69
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Canada Minami
IsFree : "Now look at this transvestite of a president: g1.globo.com/rs/rio-grande-do-sul/notici.. fucker posed to a crowd (yes he rallied a crowd) with cloroquin" Alcazar "implying that im religious or a bolsonaro supporter?" We didn't imply anyuthing, we just stared talking about womething else. If you want to talk about the fact that you won't read the articles... DID YOU READ THEM?
2020-08-01 00:32
#71
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United Kingdom alcazar4
Minami (talking about alcazar): Man, he trusts his guts!! Don't go around with actual medical researches, he won't bother to even read the abstract because all scientists in the world are part of whatever conspiracy he saw on FB. you can lie about it now, but this is fairly blatant
2020-08-01 00:35
#72
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Canada Minami
This part was about you... so DID YOU READ THEM?? The rest was about Bolsonaro....
2020-08-01 00:47
#73
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United Kingdom alcazar4
i very much did, me and IsFree came to an agreement in the end on the subject. you, on the other hand, think anyone who has the capacity to believe that hqc is effective is a conspiracy theorist and insult anyone who is fooled by dumb populists. is that helpful? tell me, do you think those who have been fooled will actually listen to you if you accuse them of being conspiracy theorists and retards? if you do, you may very well be as stupid as they are.
2020-08-01 00:51
#74
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Canada Minami
I'm currently reading this : ijidonline.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1201-..
2020-08-01 00:53
#75
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United Kingdom alcazar4
ok, thats great but not at all a response to #73.
2020-08-01 00:55
#79
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Canada Minami
You're a fast reader, it's good for you. I was just saying I was reading currently. I never said anything about trying to convince anyone in this thread. If I was trying to, I would not do it that way, it's a sure thing. But on the internet, it's a lost cause to talk reason to begin with, even more on this board where we're a community of troller, baiter, sexist, etc. If you know how to convince people on the internet, I would advise you to write a paper about it and submit it for peers review this instant. Your name would be next to Einstein in History.
2020-08-01 01:33
#87
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Canada Minami
"youre literally talking about me you fucking imbecile" And... just saying... for a proud brave charming prince on a white steed... maybe you should try to lessen your insults too if you want to convince people... And as you're a fast reader and a great teacher, explain to me how they found the 66% and 71% decrease in mortality with calculus in the last article I read : ijidonline.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1201-..
2020-08-01 02:19
#52
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Brazil IsFree
Atleast there is a new sociological study to be made from this awkward situation
2020-08-01 00:01
#58
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Canada Minami
It's not new, it's used in marketing too. But it should be used in philosophy classes to teach kids to look for more than their confort zone.
2020-08-01 00:09
#5
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Brazil IsFree
fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availabili.. fda.gov/media/138946/download I can link some studies too if you have any formation in medicine
2020-07-31 23:00
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United Kingdom alcazar4
youve already misunderstood that first one dude. "for COVID-19 outside of the hospital". it doesnt say "you shouldnt use it for covid19", it says "it shouldnt be used OUTSIDE OF THE HOSPITAL for covid19".
2020-07-31 23:02
#15
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Brazil IsFree
They pulled the emergency hospital use and most of the ongoing trials
2020-07-31 23:04
#18
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United Kingdom alcazar4
thats not because its not at all effective or harmful, thats because its immoral to use an inferior treatment once a better one is found by a clinical trial. gov.uk/government/news/world-first-coron.. after this was found, hospitals essentially arent allowed to trial things that arent as effective. doesnt mean chloroquine does nothing, just means its not as effective.
2020-07-31 23:07
That one study got already hammered because of the absence of a randomized test group +other things. Not saying it doesn't work etc, but they shot themself in the foot sadly.
2020-07-31 23:49
#3
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Brazil IsFree
Eazyer to open shit up when people belive there is an ez cure
2020-07-31 22:59
Pretty sure there are loads of doctors saying it works, even news papers that tried to say it didn't work when Trump said doctor's told him it worked have started saying that it works.
2020-07-31 23:00
#10
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Brazil IsFree
I haven't read a single study defending its use
2020-07-31 23:01
because that would go against your confirmed bias, you don't read them not because they aren't correct but because that would mean that someone you hate is right and you don't like that, because you're an ideologue.
2020-07-31 23:03
#16
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Brazil IsFree
Then please link me to a medical journal explaining CLQ's effectiveness
2020-07-31 23:04
#21
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Brazil IsFree
Then correct it if I'm wrong, you have no fucking clue on what we are talking about?
2020-07-31 23:14
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Netherlands HetIsPatat
He means there aren't any. Not really the fault of bias then is it.
2020-08-01 02:21
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United States JeyyR
assuming you're referring to Hydroxychloroquine, this is 0/8
2020-07-31 23:00
#12
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Brazil IsFree
I'm refering to C18H26ClN3, but the hydroxide aplies too
2020-07-31 23:03
how, it's being pushed as a treatment when it isn't effective
2020-07-31 23:03
#29
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Canada Minami
Simple psychology Fear -> Panacea -> denial -> Conspiracy You just need one guy to create a dumb movement. Homeopathy, astrologie, phrenology, chloroquin etc. My favorite one is "Finland doesn't exist", because you can use stats to prove your point.
2020-07-31 23:30
prove finland doesn't exist pls i always thought they were fake
2020-07-31 23:56
#60
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Canada Minami
vice.com/en_us/article/xyd48w/this-dude-.. Here is the background The easiest way to prove it: the population: 5 522 015 people in Finland vs 7 794 799 000 people in the world. So 0,078% of the mondial population should be Finnish. But 0,08% is way below the standard error in statistics. So we can say it's negligible to the point where we don't have to look about it. So rich russian bastards just created 5,5 million fake persons on the world population to hide their fishing conspiracy and it's impossible to proove it because it's lost in statistics,
2020-08-01 00:17
Here is a study that refutes the idea you are pushing stating it is not effective. Have you researched it any? Or are you just saying it's not effective because you heard someone else say it? ijidonline.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1201-.. Edit: Published in the International Journal of Infectious Disease btw so please actually read something instead of being spoon-fed by whatever news outlet you use
2020-07-31 23:45
#63
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Canada Minami
I will read this one, because it's weird they have 66 to 71% hazard ratio reduction when other studies can't have conclusive results.
2020-08-01 00:21
I've seen multiple with conclusive results, however many studies are not doing widespread testing because the media has perverted the public's view on hydroxychloroquine by insisting that it is neither effective nor safe (likely because Trump suggested he had been told it could possibly be beneficial). I'll link another one that shows similar results based on the limited testing they were able to perform. reader.elsevier.com/reader/sd/pii/S09248..
2020-08-01 00:29
#78
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Canada Minami
It was a good read, it's just too bad that the chloroquin group had 66% black people vs 50% for the no-drug group and no blood-type informations when there is a debate on the ethnical and blood type impact. The no-drug group was also slightly older, which can increase the risks.
2020-08-01 01:23
like i mentioned before, limited testing no test can be perfect, but it is obvious from research that chloroquin is helping at least some people, so it is harmful for the media to write it off completely just bc Donald Trump said the name of the drug one time.
2020-08-01 05:49
#99
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Canada Minami
I said it was a good read, but not a good argument yet, as there are possible bias in the methodology and percentages. It need more reviews from the peers and comparison with other hospitals from other countries (that's a given) If you take a sample of 409 persons with 61,4% (251persons) over 65yo, you can't compare it that easily with another sample of 1202 with only 48,9% (587persons) over 65yo. If half of those old people die because they are more at risk, you have 31.37% mortality rate for control group and 11,93% mortality rate for the second group... but still ... half of the old people still died. So for the same mortality, we have a reaaaally different mortality rate. No drugs involved here, just casual statistics from the sample. Thus I can say the second group have a lesser mortality rate because I kept the window open.... The numbers are still in the range of the others observations, as mortality in hospital goes from 10 to 30%, but their cox model is... a little weird, based on the samples.
2020-08-01 07:16
#9
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Finland Nexpo
this guy is braindead
2020-07-31 23:01
#20
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Brazil IsFree
Which guy?
2020-07-31 23:09
#23
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Finland Nexpo
this girl (u )
2020-07-31 23:20
#32
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Brazil IsFree
Oh sorry, couldnt understand it trought your absolute lack of basic english
2020-07-31 23:31
#89
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Finland Nexpo
my english better than urs mens))
2020-08-01 02:22
#30
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United States girls
every one on this forum
2020-07-31 23:30
#35
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Brazil IsFree
+1 I'm are brainded
2020-07-31 23:36
Better than not taking any drug. Imo
2020-07-31 23:36
#36
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Brazil IsFree
Not taking the drug= ~95% chance of surviving, assuming you have simptoms Taking the drug= ~95% chance of surviving and cardiac arythmia (statistically speaking)
2020-07-31 23:37
#81
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Albania bizhuy
Lmao people dont know how drugs work
2020-08-01 01:39
#82
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Brazil IsFree
Yeah lmao "oops, I got a viral disiase, there is no cure so I might aswell chug some random algae medicine, better than nothing lkkkkkkkkkkkk"
2020-08-01 01:41
if the media is so desperate to censor any mention to cloroquin, there is something fishy
2020-07-31 23:38
nt leftist
2020-07-31 23:44
#57
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Brazil IsFree
Im not a leftist lmao, the population could go kill eachother with machetes and I would'nt care, I just care about covid cuz If everyone fucks it up an older family member might die, and that afects me
2020-08-01 00:07
bitchute.com/video/71W1O4TdJxo0/ not sure about the reliability of this but these doctors say that that is true
2020-08-01 00:04
#59
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Brazil IsFree
bitchute.com vs fda.gov Idk man Im just flabbergasted as to how eager my countryman are ready to spend billions of my tax money on an unproved drug that made 2 qualified health ministers to quit, opening way for some military guy
2020-08-01 00:12
at least watch the video
2020-08-01 01:43
#85
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Brazil IsFree
They're saying they took down the Lancet study, untrue, Lancet took down the study and apologised
2020-08-01 02:07
cool
2020-08-01 04:44
HCQ is actually working. What they did was giving the people the false dose, which is why many of them died. If you dose HCQ properly (just like every drug) - you will be fine. Obama used HCQ in 2007 or 2008 or 2009 too. He even shared a picture of this himself.
2020-08-01 00:58
#77
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Brazil IsFree
No. #19 For the last time, HCQ kills a tropical algae infection, it does not cure COVID
2020-08-01 01:27
Literally snake oil. There is no limit to the spread of fake news these days. For a short while I naively thought the world has become so connected and so smart, that no single people can be brainwashed with obvious fake news any more, as evidence dispelling fake news should be easily available. But it seems that people choose to believe what they want. This is why I think WW3 is inevitable. When the big wheel starts turning, and countries start their warmongering PR machines, the people are nothing but sheep that will believe everything.
2020-08-01 01:34
#83
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Brazil IsFree
Problem is that missinformation is eazy, idiots will never read a medical journal in their lives, but shit other idiots make up on facebook to get likes is much more understandable
2020-08-01 01:43
+1 yeah people are not willing to think critically
2020-08-01 02:11
#90
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Netherlands HetIsPatat
Our far-right populists jumped on the bandwagon and promoted its usage. Our government however, left the decision whether to use it or nof to the hospitals. Most hospitals have used it back in March/April, due to sheer desparation. Sometimes up to 7 pills per day on average. It has since been banned by hospitals due to complaints regarding heart problems, and patients hearing voices in their heads.
2020-08-01 02:37
#91
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Brazil ferNaN1
2020-08-01 02:37
#92
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Brazil ferNaN1
always when I read chloroquine I remember this song LUL
2020-08-01 02:38
#93
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Brazil ferNaN1
TWENTY ONE PILOTS GOAT 🤝🤝🤝
2020-08-01 02:40
#94
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Brazil IsFree
😳 content
2020-08-01 03:38
#100
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Brazil ferNaN1
😲👓👌I
2020-08-01 08:19
Bolosonaro top 1
2020-08-01 06:01
#101
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Brazil IsFree
yes mens))
2020-08-01 08:43
many doctors on camera saying they used a protocol with this drug and have 100% success rate reversing the diagnosis also; nature.com/articles/d41586-020-01695-w
2020-08-01 08:51
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