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Finland TuureBoelius 
Why are Liquid not being criticised for kicking their IGL for more firepower just like FaZe were? It's not like Stewie is not a better IGL than NiKo. /discuss
2020-08-05 00:57
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It's not like Stewie is a better IGL than NiKo*
2020-08-05 00:57
"but nitr0 wasn't the igl for liquid" well guess what faze also did before kicking karrigan ?
2020-08-05 02:34
Yeah but karrigan was an actual igl
2020-08-05 05:39
nitr0 was too, considered the 2nd best in 2019?
2020-08-05 06:03
What is this logic? lol
2020-08-05 09:33
Dude karrigan was still better IGL than nitr0 in 2019
2020-08-05 16:40
Nitr0 was not igl
2020-08-05 00:57
Spain daniel03s
LOL he was for the longest time....
2020-08-05 01:07
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Peru TheJuan
Because nitro is not a good igl compared to Carrygan
2020-08-05 00:59
Italy KezaijinDZN
but a kid like stewie is the worst choice for giving the igl's role
2020-08-05 01:03
Liechtenstein Denial123
How? He has IGL before this and it was actually good...
2020-08-05 01:04
Italy KezaijinDZN
niko has way more experience compared to stewie, but he's still the most criticized igl rn
2020-08-05 01:07
France Insidium
2020-08-05 02:38
Liechtenstein Denial123
Ahhh why does time have to be the only reason that niko is a better IGL? Niko was criticised because Faze were giving poor results..
2020-08-05 04:04
Liquid are also giving poor results..
2020-08-05 09:51
Liechtenstein Denial123
but Stewie has not been IGLing Nitro err U ok?
2020-08-05 11:54
Umm..Stewie is IGL since 2-3 months ago, you ok?
2020-08-05 11:57
online era
2020-08-05 17:07
Liechtenstein Denial123
Niko go criticised because they kicked karrigan for firepower then he goes ahead and IGls and gets very poor results ... Also Stewie is not wasting as much talent IGLing compared to Niko and also because stewie has previous experience in IGLing at a good level . You happy now ? Stewie has not IGL on LAN yet and has results have not came in with the new line up if they continue to be bad that where hate will come in. Also Ur acting like stew does not receive hate he receives so much hate on TL.
2020-08-06 00:44
India c0nsc10us
That's a weird logic. Experience doesn't automatically make you a better igl. Olofmeister has more experience than Niko so he should be a replacing Niko as igl?
2020-08-05 05:46
Because HLTV is not the same
2020-08-05 01:01
nitr0 already stopped being an igl so you shouldve criticized them then i guess
2020-08-05 01:07
because the moment you let niko igl is when the team starts sucking dick, and there was plenty of proof to substantiate that during his tenure with mousesports niko’s ego gets in the way of a winning mentality so as an igl you have to basically dog leash him (electric collar optional)
2020-08-05 01:43
Liquid haven’t been playing any better under stewie....
2020-08-05 04:52
India c0nsc10us
That can also be accredited to the fact that the players are also underperforming. Maybe see how results go with the new line up before judging stew and liquid? People did give Niko loads of time. They haven't really achieved anything of note yet.
2020-08-05 05:48
But faze had Olof, and have been playing with a standin for months. Is it fair to judge Niko based on results with a player who stepped down and a standin? Btw faze have beat every top 10 team besides big and astralis with full roster, both with Olof and bymas.
2020-08-05 05:58
India c0nsc10us
Niko has been the igl for over a year. Faze got a standin for 3 months. Faze had olofmeister performing at a low level. Liquid has had 3 players performing nowhere near their expected levels. Nitro, Stewie and twistzz. If Niko can be called a good igl, I dare say Stewie can be called a god igl. Plus, faze defeated every top 10 team other than Astralis full roster and big but never consistently. They are a perfect example of flattering to deceive
2020-08-05 09:30
I mean rain and cold haven’t been performing no where near what’s expected of them, especially cold. Only Niko and Broky have been performing consistently well. I definitely don’t think you can call Niko a good igl, but he isn’t a terrible one either. Either they’ve made some changes with bymas’s role and positions, which is what I think the primary problem is in his case, or they’re gonna get someone else, probably an igl.
2020-08-05 17:00
Liechtenstein Denial123
2020-08-06 00:48
Stew is IGL now, both nitr0 and Stew are shit at IGLing so it's not that much of problem, pugger team, it's not like FaZe with karrigan
2020-08-05 01:45
hes not calling
2020-08-05 02:36
stewie is a much better igl then niko lol. also he did that role before
2020-08-05 02:37
So did niko in mouz
2020-08-05 04:07
he was for a very short period of time he had gob b, spiidi and LEGIJA
2020-08-05 04:17
You’re high if you think stewie is a better igl than NiKo. Don’t forget liquid has 3 top 10 players in their roster, faze only has 1, and he wasn’t even in the top 10 last year.
2020-08-05 04:54
Faze has as good of a team as liquid.
2020-08-05 05:04
Hmm maybe overall but raw skill wise liquid definitely has the edge, Niko cold and rain aren’t the players they used to be. Broky is probably just as good as grim but stewie is clearly better than bymas. I’d say: Niko > elige Cold < NAF Rain < twistzz Broky = grim Bymas < stewie
2020-08-05 05:31
cold > NAF grim > broky twistzz = rain
2020-08-05 05:37
You’re just wrong.
2020-08-05 05:54
no u r
2020-08-05 07:23
+1 allu > all
2020-08-05 09:43
India c0nsc10us
If you're comparing players, shouldn't it be based on the roles?
2020-08-05 05:49
It pretty much is, only difference is Niko being compared to elige and not stewie, but Niko and elige are both pure riflers and bymas and stewie are support players.
2020-08-05 05:55
United States Frotha
Faze has 3 top 5 players
2020-08-05 12:19
Probably because Liquid's main stars still hit their shots for the most part. Maybe Twistzz aside. Where Rain and Coldzera have seen huge dips from their peaks as far back as early 2019. Maybe even further then that I don't really care to look. Point is they are far from top 5 players anymore. Plus Nitro wasn't the actual IGL (stewie has been for awhile) and Liquid haven't really had an dedidcated IGL since Stanislaw who stepped down from IGLing when he was on the team ironically. And they've run a loose style since Adren and Stewie came in. People don't realize this for some reason but 2018 Liquid and 2019 Liquid are pretty different stylistically. Instead of copying Astralis's playbook they kind of grew into their own thing. Oh and Liquid never made the fuck stupid decision of cutting a guy like Karrigan for firepower. Nitro had his moments but he was never like tactically brilliant or some mid round god. Karrigan has been both of these things in numerous teams.
2020-08-05 02:44
United States ScanDull
2020-08-05 04:06
+11111111 nitr0 is more of a captain than an igl. a guy that keeps the team together and does whatever bitch roles are necessary. he igled because his team needed him to. faze had karrigan specifically as an igl
2020-08-05 05:39
Karrigan wasn’t dropped for firepower, otherwise faze wouldn’t have picked up adren. Karrigan was dropped because neither he nor the team was confident in his ability to call. And if you remember like I do, when karrigan was still calling for faze, they had some of the worst tsides I’ve ever seen. Look at mouz now, they peaked for like 3 months and have been shit every since. Don’t forget it took over 6 months before they were even a top 10 team, they were playing dreamhack open events all the way up to September last year before they started winning events. Now faze may have taken cold over aleski, a move I don’t necessarily agree with, but I imagine if they had went for aleski over cold they probably wouldn’t have kicked guardian, and he was declining rapidly. After the rumblings Of faze picking up Alex, I don’t think it will be long before they replace bymas with an igl.
2020-08-05 05:38
South America JKenny
2020-08-05 08:32
United States Hindy
bro i made an exact forum for this and I explained it perfectly
2020-08-05 04:06
good summary, though in comparison, I think the difference was Ynk seemed to have trained niko to be pretty decent at his job whereas I haven't much evidence to say adreN could do anything close to the same
2020-08-05 04:20
United States Hindy
yea i agree with you here, but if liquid bring in Kassad i think stewie will develop pretty good as igl
2020-08-05 04:42
stewie has igled on and off his entire career, with some degree of success he was also the natural choice, since he brings the most outside of stats, and allegedly has a great mind for the game
2020-08-05 04:09
Niko has igled on and off his entire career, with some degree of success. He was also the natural choice, since he brings a look that karrigan had lost. Many igl’s such as golden recently put Niko top 5 igl’s currently. End of the day, both teams did the exact change but liquid gets no hate. Laughable.
2020-08-05 04:37
niko did it once, near the end of his tenure vith mous, cus mous sucked, and gob b did too
2020-08-05 04:49
Cause FaZe kicked/benched karrigan But nitr0 decided to step down
2020-08-05 08:07
It says he stepped down after liquid found a replacement, to me that seems like a nice way to say, leave before you are kicked. "The report alleges that after internal team discussions pivoted towards finding his replacement, nitr0 stepped down from the roster."
2020-08-05 18:58
Because people find it fun shit talking faze but won’t shit talk budget NA faze. It’s most likely down to the fact that nitr0 wasn’t a popular personality like karrigan, aleksi, etc....
2020-08-05 04:35
liquid_1_grand_slam_faze_0_grand_slams NiKo_never_beat_stew_at_majors btw nitr0 >>>>>>>>> olof
2020-08-05 05:39
nitr0 wasn't anything special, and it wasn't working anymore his fragging was abysmal he needed at least to sit on the bench to work on things (which as far as I can tell is where he is, it doesn't seem he has actually LEFT yet) he really was the weakest link, I'm glad Liquid made a move fairly quickly nitr0 may not be gone from the lineup forever! and GL to Grim and Liquid
2020-08-05 05:00
nitr0 has been kicked, but since he's still signed he's technically on the bench, so if any team wants to sign him before his contract expires they will have pay the buyout or agree terms with Liquid.
2020-08-05 05:19
nitr0 can’t be compared to karrigan 1. nitr0 stepped down. he wasn’t benched or kicked. 2. nitr0 is more of a team captain than an igl. he kept the team together and filled the gaps the team had 3. stewie is a much more selfless player than NiKo
2020-08-05 05:37
stew2k > NiKo in every aspect of the game. major winner > no major ever
2020-08-05 05:40
Russia ToughGuy
Imagine thinking niko is real igl
2020-08-05 06:07
Yugoslavia RiggedShit
Well still not so bad move compared to ence kick aleksib maybe the worst roster move in whole csgo history and then they even sign vac banned cheater
2020-08-05 06:08
"kicking their IGL" Give me proof that liquid KICKED nitr0
2020-08-05 08:06
They did. He's been the worst performer in last 8 months, no other t1 team would take him. So Liquid was his best chance to win, also he gets salary to match - the only teams with higher salaries is coL and maybe FaZe.
2020-08-05 16:52
Faze was trash when Niko took igl. If liquid becomes a terrible team then they will take the same heat. Also Nitro hadn't been igling for months before he was kicked so they didnt kick their igl
2020-08-05 08:15
Serbia Aco_
Liquid irrelevant rn, why waste threads on bot team? /closed
2020-08-05 08:26
You broke this thread when you compared a piece of trash stew to niko
2020-08-05 09:42
Europe RiflerDash
stewie's been second igl for liquid for awhile and been doing a decent job.
2020-08-05 16:44
nitro wasnt doing a good job at igling especially after 2019 player break and switched to stewie earlier than they had stated and nitro basically became dead weight for the team , he hasnt been performing good ever since liquid's mini-era
2020-08-06 00:56
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