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Finland FlNLAND 
We can see the flaws of both; Right and Left. And they be mad about it.
2020-08-06 13:36
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Russia Drapery
Centrism isn't really a political position /closed /opened But they're better than the two guys beneath me
2020-08-06 13:40
Ukraine volod1m1r
2020-08-06 14:04
Fuck centrists, they are even worse the far right Especially fuck classical liberals & libertarians with their pro-capitalist and 'freedom of speech' bigotry
2020-08-06 13:38
Lmao what?
2020-08-06 13:40
? actual content
2020-08-06 13:40
Explain your reasoning. Why are centrists worse than the far right according to you?
2020-08-06 13:41
I'm telling you, this is one of OFFICIAL_HLTV_BAITER alts
2020-08-06 13:42
i have no idea who is it, my previous account was 'leftist'
2020-08-06 13:47
i just hate centrists & moderate rightists more because they are in power almost everywhere and they are usually are biggest defenders of inequality and hate speech
2020-08-06 13:45
so killing people is better? ok nazi
2020-08-06 15:28
I don't really agree with him but the opposite of communism is liberalism (or libertarianism in the US). Basically communism = government owns everything, libertarianism = government is as small a possible. I guess anarcho capitalism would be even more extreme. compared to that fascists (far right) aren't really as much against governments having power. many fascists had social programs and sometimes nationalized key industries.
2020-08-06 14:40
Communism is not "government owns everything". Communism is "the workers owns the means of production" which means that decisions are taken by the workers themselves and the potential dividends are distributed among those who generated the wealth. Communism is basically the end of external investment and dividend leeching. And Marx goes even further claiming that the final communism form will get rid of any form of government.
2020-08-06 15:27
I mean yes but there is a government that owns and coordinates everything but is supposed to be controlled by the workers.
2020-08-06 15:35
That's just another form of government tho
2020-08-06 16:32
Yep, individual economical unit government. Each company is kind of a government on its own, but anybody working in it has a voice at it. It's a democratic way to produce. It's like if to be have a share in a company you absolutely need to be a worker in the said company. Thus if you work somewhere you decide democratically what's happening in the company and you divide the added value you produced fairly. There's already some companies working that way (I know 4 in France and 1 in Italy) and workers are pretty happy, incomes increased drastically after the switch (usually it's investment funds buying a company/factory and firing everybody, dismantling the tools and machines and selling everything for quick profit. And the guys decide to run the company again by their own instead of just being unemployed).
2020-08-06 17:21
So you just want a democracy Like any first world country
2020-08-06 17:55
proud_leftist is retarded, my dude. Don't engage. Seen him before, many times.
2020-08-06 14:57
Poland Hanse
LMAOOO centrism is like only political option that isn't connected to libertarianism 0/8 brain
2020-08-06 13:43
eh what? centrism is not even an ideology, centrists are just a bunch of apolitical loonies and rightists who're too afraid to tell anyone that they are rightists
2020-08-06 13:55
Poland Hanse
0/8 may I suggest nickname shitft to proud_dumbfuck?
2020-08-06 14:11
Imagine getting baited by those low tier baits
2020-08-06 14:16
2020-08-06 15:25
libertarianism is center right wing
2020-08-06 14:45
Dude, libertarians is as right-wing as you can get. They're really not centrists/moderates...
2020-08-06 14:15
in the basic political spectrum the liberals and libertarians are on the center in the two axis compass they are right low
2020-08-06 14:18
Wait what? Economically, libertarians are super far right, they are not even close to liberals. They literally want to remove taxes and almost completely abolish the government. They are as economically right-wing as you can get basically. Then there are different kinds of libertarians of course, there are libertarian socialists for example who are super leftwing. But when people simply describe themselves as "libertarian", they are super right-wing
2020-08-06 14:32
do you even have clue about the difference between the basic left-right spectrum and the two axis spectrum? in the classical spectrum leftists are left and nazis are right, the rest are close to center*vh33g6fmpP9Xz5.. i already told that they are right in 2-axis compass in #28, let me know if you have some problems with reading and want me to repeat this 3rd time
2020-08-06 14:46
Bro you're actually retarded. If you go by your stupid spectrum, then literally EVERYONE is center. Jesus, use your fucking brain. People can still be right-wing, without being literal fucking nazis. I suggest you read on what libertarians actually are, because even then, economically, they are as far right as you can get, and claiming otherwise makes you look absolutely retarded and not worthy of even replying to.
2020-08-06 15:59
ME: "in the two axis compass they are right" YOU: "libertarians are super far right" ALSO ME: "i already told that they are right...let me know if you have some problems with reading" YOU: "they are as far right as you can get" i don't think you supposed to call someone retarded
2020-08-06 16:17
No, libertarians are right in all spectrums, idk what you're on about
2020-08-06 16:28
> libertarians are super far right, they are not even close to liberals btw you not only have reading difficulties, you also have no clue about ideologies. minarchist libertarians and classical liberals are basically the same, the difference is that the second ones are just in favor of slight minimal welfare. anarcho-capitalist libertarians dont even distinguish classical liberals and minarchists. and followers of both ideologies pray on people like m friedman and j locke who basically are gods for them
2020-08-06 16:29
????? Libertarianism is way stronger than classic liberalism, idk why you would even put the two in the same sentence
2020-08-06 16:31
Milton Friedman: "I am a libertarian with a small 'l' and a Republican with a capital 'R.' "I think the term classical liberal is also equally applicable." but who cares what a libertarian says about himself! some fakeflagging burger on hltv forums said that "libertarians are not even close to liberals", he knows better! i feel i need to repeat things twice, so here we go: minarchist libertarians and classical liberals are almost the same. classical liberals agree with importance of implementing some positive rights, but that's all really.
2020-08-06 16:41
"freedom of speech" bigotry. LOLOLOLOLOL
2020-08-06 16:22
Keep Yourself Safe fckface
2020-08-06 18:11
+1 but nothing is worse than rightwingers
2020-08-06 13:39
2020-08-06 13:41
They're both stupid. But atm I think it's the radical left that's causing the most damage in 1st world countries. (If you consider the USA 1st world)
2020-08-06 14:41
its all just controlled opposition
2020-08-06 13:39
Yes centrists bestest 😎
2020-08-06 13:55
my sister says it's weak to not take sides
2020-08-06 13:59
kiss her
2020-08-06 14:04
Ukraine volod1m1r
expected sister, sex her alabama
2020-08-06 14:05
I think most centrists do take sides though? The sides are just different per subject matter, and it doesn't just come down to "I disagree with you, because the idea you're spreading is inherently right/left" or "I agree with you, because I'm left, and you're also left, and the idea you're spreading is inherently left". Instead the conscious centrist, theoretically, sees what the left and the right have to say, and then decide on that particular subject matter whether they agree with the left or right. And then on another subject matter they might switch. That's actually how anyone should come to their own conclusions, surprisingly enough, eh? And if you do that and at the end of the day you seem to agree more with the right, guess what? You're a rightist or a right/centrist or whatever. Same for left, obviously.
2020-08-06 14:56
India c0nsc10us
Agree with everything except the last part. A conclusion to be drawn based on whom you're agreeing with more than you are with the other is not appropriate when describing a centrism Regardless of whether your agree more with the right or with the left, if you're a centrist, you're a centrist because you don't align yourself ideologically with either left or the right.
2020-08-06 18:05
+1 Guess I misspoke a bit.
2020-08-06 18:36
Russia win73ry
Centrists are people who just don't know shit, but still don't want to be considered "apolitical." Fuck you, guys.
2020-08-06 14:07
i call myself a centrist because if i say im left or right people will assume I'm radical
2020-08-06 14:10
Russia win73ry
If people only see radicals, it's their problem. Don't be ashamed of your political views.
2020-08-06 14:18
Poland Hanse
lol ruski brain
2020-08-06 14:12
More like centrists are rational and know that both sides have good and bad ideas so you make a balanced assessment instead of following one side like a religion. Ideologues such yourself feel forced to pick a side so you feel a part of the tribe and will never admit when your side fucks up or when your ideas are bad.
2020-08-06 14:15
Russia win73ry
Yeah, if I consider myself a rightist, then I'm surely an ideologue. Keep on going and fighting against statements I didn't say, "rational" centrist that's just unaware of shit and unable pick political side, because of stupidity, yet don't want to be a normal person to just be apolitical, which is okay.
2020-08-06 14:22
You're the one who "fought" against the original thread and basically painted all centrists as people "who don't know shit" (your words). Centrism has nothing to do with being apolitical. Looks like you're having a hard time making a distinction between concepts. And yes you are an ideologue because you just proved it with your reply and your original post. Because of your rightist ideology you discredited all centrists. Not to mention you won't ever admit that some rightist ideas are idiotic.
2020-08-06 15:13
Russia win73ry
Right isn't just one ideology, you retard. Of course I will admit some of rightist ideas are idiotic - healthcare in the US, for example, is ineffective and should be free, in my opinion. There are rightists who support LGBT and leftists who are homophobic if you didn't know.
2020-08-06 15:18
I'm a liberal centrist. And it's actually hilarious watching your rightists and leftists squabble among yourself and each other. It's funny, because you guys just can't seem to grasp the fact that you could, in fact, be wrong sometimes. It's also a sheep mentality. You want to be included in a group and can't or don't want to think for yourself. And this spirals, usually. First you're a bit right, then you start talking to other rightists, you become more rightist. Then you start only reading up on data that support rightists claims, and boom. Fully fledged rightists! Depending on how far you want to take it, you can be come an extremist, obviously. And the same goes for the left, obviously. "Nuance" and "grey areas" exist. Question is only whether or not you like to admit it. On most contentious topics nowadays, people would probably tell me I'm a rightist, because I'm "anti" X. So for example, fuck BLM, fuck China, fuck Antifa, yes we need a bit more border protection, yay free speech and I'm kind of a EU skeptic etc. And now all the lefties will say : "Whaaat?! You're so alt-right. Omg you Nazi". And then I'll say "Ok. Fuck Hitler, Fuck Trump, Fuck anti-abortion laws, Yay gun-control (or at least very good regulation of said guns, better than it is now.), fuck all religion" and then all the rightists say "Wow you are such a libtard, suck Bernie Sander's dick." looking forward to what you have to say.
2020-08-06 14:40
Russia win73ry
My message isn't about that you should be either far right or far left. I do not agree with many rightists in many questions myself, and it's absolutely normal. I always try to read neutral sources, and this is what all people should do, so they would form their opinions on their own, which centrists usually are unable to do. There are conscious centrists, of course, and I hope you are the one, but most of them just are simply not educated enough to form an opinion, just claiming to be "centrist."
2020-08-06 14:43
Ok, I'm starting to see what you mean now. You're just referring to actual apolitical people that don't want to cause any a stir in anything and that don't want to talk about politics either perhaps. So they just say "I'm centrist" to not have to get into an argument with anyone. So you kinda mean the people that are afraid of conflict, more or less? So yeah, in that context, there should be a line drawn between "conscious-centrists" and "apolitical centrists" (aka people that are afraid of conflict, pretty much). Is that what you mean?
2020-08-06 14:48
Russia win73ry
Pretty much. It's just stupid when people are kind of illiterate in politics, but still talk shit, yet can't explain their views, rather saying "eeeeeeeh I'm a centrist." Also all of the modern ideologies contain both right-ish and left-ish things in themselves, you're will always be more leaning to one or another. It's just a question of how do you measure "right" and "left", but this question is just a food for demagogy, so I don't want to start it, but if you consider yourself a liberal centrist, then you're just a moderate rightist in my opinion.
2020-08-06 14:59
I consider myself a liberal centrist, mostly because that's what that political compass test came out on that and also the 9axes test. Also my views on social benefits and tax etc. are more left leaning than right, so that's why it's more liberal than conservative. Again, there is a lot of nuance and I think, at the end of the day, liberal centrist is a good term for my political views in general, but if somebody were to ask for my view on some particular things, they might label me with another political term, but that's just because they've only heard about my views on 1 or a few things. That's probably also why people like Peterson, Harris and Weinstein are often associated with the alt-right by the radical left...Meanwhile, as far as I can tell, they're themselves leftists / centrist or center-right AT BEST. (But I see no way that they're right at all tbh, maybe Peterson, but not Harris or Weinstein.) So I wanna ask you, why am I a moderate rightist, in your opinion, when I myself think I'm a liberal centrist? And I agree measuring it becomes harder the more somebody considers him or herself a centrist. The more extreme, the easier to label, obviously.
2020-08-06 15:10
Then what do you call someone who pretty much equally agrees with points from both sides, left and right?
2020-08-06 14:41
2020-08-06 14:11
New Zealand Eauor
I respect your opinion!
2020-08-06 14:13
Greece Graecos
Aristotle said 2.350 y/o ago in the Doctrine of the Mean that virtue consists of finding an appropriate middle ground between two extreme. 2.350 years later, Human Beings still race into the wall head first.
2020-08-06 14:42
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United States girls
clowns to the left of me ,jokers to the right...
2020-08-06 14:58
Estonia mr_abdul
damn, so I can't think for myself and have to pick a side that I have to agree with in every argument?
2020-08-06 15:00
yeees +1
2020-08-06 15:02
Yes, because genocide and reforming the economy are exactly the same
2020-08-06 15:04
China KoreanFan
Can someone explain centrism pls?
2020-08-06 15:06
Not right, not left. Agreeing on topics from both sides, disagreeing on topics from both sides.
2020-08-06 15:20
China KoreanFan
Choosing only the best from both sides?
2020-08-06 18:57
uhh....... I mean "the best" is subjective... I didn't explain it right either. I'll just leave it at this #41 and #82 kinda explain it I guess
2020-08-06 19:29
Finland Autisthicc
centrists are fucking boring, you guys do absolutely nothing. like cmon atleast the extreme radicals do some exciting things
2020-08-06 15:06
As a centrist. +1
2020-08-06 15:20
2020-08-06 15:14
Yugoslavia seeeed
Centrists are sad
2020-08-06 15:16
do elaborate weeblord
2020-08-06 15:21
Yugoslavia seeeed
Its usually just a bunch of neoliberals that are too afraid to accept that they are neoliberals
2020-08-06 15:24
Ok, so what do you consider yourself as?
2020-08-06 15:28
Yugoslavia seeeed
Whys that any relevant? And yes im sad too btw
2020-08-06 15:29
No I was just wondering from what standpoint you would say centrists are usually neo-liberals. Because if you were liberal and said "neoliberalism bad", then you'd be more left leaning than I originally thought. While if you were a rightist and said "neoliberalism bad" then I should like to ask if you think classical liberalism is worse. Also, for me personally, they're basically the same lol But so, you're actually a centrist or?
2020-08-06 15:35
Yugoslavia seeeed
No im leftist yes. And i do think that both neoliberalism and classical liberalism suck.
2020-08-06 15:35
Right, ok makes sense, even though my question didn't really lol. But you do approve of capitalism to a certain degree? But tax the rich more and give benefits to the poor etc.? What country would you say has implemented capitalism the best? So take China as a pretty far left country Sweden as a somewhat less left, but still pretty left country, and then Poland as a pretty far right country and the Netherlands as a less-far right country. You can pick any country in the world, which would you pick? I'm center-left btw, according to the political compass and the 9axes questionnaire. (and also according to myself) Idk really where I'm going, so if you don't want to engage, that's fine. It's hot as fuck here and my brain is working on like 10% efficiency lmao
2020-08-06 15:45
Right wing all the way))
2020-08-06 15:29
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