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Serbia TheSerb 
Who benefited the most who got hurt the most Steel- of all of the players here i think steels pro carrer got hurt the most, when ever i watch him play hes just a solid solid fragger, also has a gr8 mind for the game if he wasnt banned i see him in the best na teams as an igl also hes 30 and his carrer rating is 1.10 my opinnion is he got hur the most by the ban Dazed- ok player nothing special wouldnt get any better if he didint get banned Swag- actually this might sound random but i think swag gained the most out of the ban, was a promising talent and the ban hurt his pro career but he gained alot of clout and viewers on twitch while streaming, and when he got unbanned he wasnt that gr8 tbh had some highlights here and there but bothing special Azk- tbh the unluckyest guy out of the whole squad was a solid solid player but very unlucky becomes gr8 at css cs go releses gets good at cs go gets banned gets good at ow they unban him on cs go Ska- ill start with ska he wasnt banned so he didint get hurt by it at all
2020-08-12 11:39
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#1
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Mongolia Kkura
Atleast remove steel ban pls Valve
2020-08-12 11:41
#2
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Czech Republic VetriX_
+1
2020-08-12 11:43
if they remove his ban they should remove everyone else's bans
2020-08-12 11:43
#4
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Czech Republic VetriX_
Steel is the only one that didnt quit out of them all
2020-08-12 11:44
#6
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Serbia TheSerb
+1
2020-08-12 11:45
doesnt matter...
2020-08-12 11:56
actually it does, this shows he still wants to be part of the community valve just doesnt care
2020-08-12 12:07
its still irrelevant. all of them did the same thing so if you want to unban one of them(reason doesnt matter at all) then you have to unban all of them. simple logic. they did the same crime(literally the same crime) so they should have same punishment
2020-08-12 12:09
No you dont, literally prison system works like this you behave good you get released sooner out of all of them steel is the one person that is still active CS player also in a Pro scene it doesnt get better than that. They did the same crime but he did more to "repent" if you dont understand this you are braindead.
2020-08-12 12:11
they all behaved good. noone of them violated rules ever again. just bcs steel is still active doesnt mean that he deserves unban while other should stay banned. thats not how it works
2020-08-12 12:12
Because you said so? Steel is the only one who still tries to be active part of the community why shouldnt this be accounted for? Thats what bans are for, punishment and rehabilitation back to the community, he is the only one who still wants to be part of it, seems only fair he would be first to be unbanned.
2020-08-12 12:16
And because you say so? And so what that he is still active? It doesn't change iterally anything
2020-08-12 12:17
No i havent said so entire punishment system of multiple games are literally like this. And so what that he is still active? So we are talking about csgo unbans and you say that being active in a game you want to be unbanned in doesnt mean anything, gotcha bye.
2020-08-12 12:21
Yes it doesn't. All of them did the same thing. It isn't that hard to understand such a simple thing
2020-08-12 12:24
All of them did the same crime not all of them tried to do the same to desrve the unban brainlet.
2020-08-12 12:26
Why should they? Jesus Christ hltv logic at its best LMAO
2020-08-12 12:27
youre hurting my brain. actively trying to participate within a community = trying to get back in the scene = doing something to be unbanned. leaving the scene = not caring about the community = does nothing to be unbanned how hard to understand is that?
2020-08-12 17:04
same crime=same punishment. as simple as that. swag was still active as well for pretty long period but he just gave up bcs he realized that they wont be unbanned. no reason to unban just 1 player only bcs he stayed relevant
2020-08-12 17:14
Google "Compassionate release"
2020-08-12 17:44
so why not use it for swag and the others as well? why only for steel? who actually as far as i remember convinced swag who was 17 years old(or 16? dont remember correctly) to throw? double standards at its best. either unban all of them or none of them. not just 1 player
2020-08-12 17:48
Not Daudy, not because he "said so," it's because that how it works...You're a dumbass is really the point he's making
2020-08-12 12:25
So if you matchfix and keep the money and i matchfix and return the money, do charity work, publicly apologize and i am still active part of the community and game i want to be undabnned in we are exactly the same and if we get unabnned we both deserved the unban equally, Thats his point, But i am the dumbass here?
2020-08-12 12:28
If those parameters have been clearly stated, then yes, that's an acceptable consideration. Valve has set 0 parameters on how these players can redeem themselves. Just because the other 3 players involved decided to move on sooner than steel doesn't change anything about Valve needing to unban all of the players, not just pick and choose as they see fit.
2020-08-19 02:52
First of all you needed to be fed the point because you obviously cant read, i said multiple times in this thread that they all should be unabnned of one of them gets unbanned but what if and now be careful i said IF they would be unbanned if they asked valve, because steel sure would, dazed wouldnt...
2020-08-19 18:50
#48
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Sweden RaaCCooN
unban steel
2020-08-12 12:16
#43
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Poland Hanse
Prison and gamebans have different purposes, if you dont understand this you are braindead.
2020-08-12 12:13
Both are for punishement and rehabilitation back to the community seems like same idea.
2020-08-12 12:14
#51
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Poland Hanse
No. Purposes of prison: -resocialization, self explanatory -punishment, so others won't repeat the act -separation, for dangerous units to be separated from society for time Purposes of gamebans: -punishment, and only punishment, to show that some actions won't be tolerated and will result in lifetime punishment. They aren't banned to be separated or resocialized - they are banned as example for others, and they have to be banned forever if Valve wants this example to be valid.
2020-08-12 12:21
So when you get 7 day ban in MM is only to punish you and not to make you think about what you did, nice flawed logic right here. I agree with banned as an example that doesnt mean game bans are only for punishment.
2020-08-12 12:23
#65
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Poland Hanse
2 different things again, since I was refering to professional gamebans and not generic bans for generic players. MM ban is here to discourage people from leaving/trolling and simultaneously to separate them from community (if leaver already got 1 week ban and he leaves 1/3 matches then he won't destroy as many matches as he could without any ban). I can't see reasoning behind "thinking about what you did" here, there is exact line of what you got banned for, leaving not so mcuh space for thinking about it. Matchfixing ban is a statement - this particular action won't be tolerated by any means. It's not supposed to separate particular player for community, it's here only to cast shadow over people thinking about commiting such crime for profit.
2020-08-12 12:34
Your whole argument falls apart, because of dota match fixing bans. Game bans are the same in idea punishment and to make you think about what you did, funny how valve manual bans are the same for the individual players. Valve knows this (as shown in dota) they just dont care about csgo.
2020-08-12 12:39
#68
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Poland Hanse
Elaborate, I can't understand what you're trying to communicate.
2020-08-12 12:46
liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Banned_play.. All the matchfixing bans are either permanent or indefinite liquipedia.net/dota2/Banned_players bans for matchfixing ended or are indefinite. My points are. Valve knows how to ban and to send message (also dota is huge compared to cs and they get less severe treatment. Also they unbanned people who were indefinetly banned.) But they dont this this with csgo because valve just doesnt care about csgo (that much). Which was my original point btw.
2020-08-12 12:52
I love steel but to be fair, he won't ever be unbanned for valve majors and from a business perspective, he probably shouldn't.... Think of it this way, Valve makes cs:go which makes a ton of money in the skin market. Then gambling comes in and elevates the publicity around the game because even non-gamers and non-players can "actively" participate in the game via gambling. This is great for valve because it gives more visibility which increases the playerbase (more people buying skins). Even though valve doesn't make money off the gambling, the gambling market is very much responsible for a lot of cs:go's success. 1 Match fix proven to be true jeopardizes the entire gambling market. If gamblers cannot trust that the outcome of a given match is going to be skill + random circumstances, the gambling market will fail. This will drive down the viewership of tournaments which will reduce tournament organizer revenue's which eventually effects Valve's wallet via the skin market. Evenetually, the game dies. They literally have to take the 0 tolerance stances if they want to dissuade people from doing this. We all know how intelligent, compassionate and honest the CS:go community is.
2020-08-12 18:01
hes the only one who continued to grind
2020-08-12 11:47
#15
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Serbia TheSerb
+1
2020-08-12 11:53
they shuld remove his ban just fr the sake of his grind and determination
2020-08-12 11:54
true
2020-08-12 17:56
#5
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Serbia TheSerb
They should unban everyone steel is such a good player i watched yesterday chaos-liquid and he was fragging against T1 players in a game they lost pretty hard
2020-08-12 11:45
liquid t1
2020-08-12 11:47
problem?
2020-08-12 11:49
#11
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Serbia TheSerb
With grim they might be the strongest team atm when lan comes back
2020-08-12 11:51
delusional/8
2020-08-12 11:53
you dont even know how grim will perform lol...
2020-08-12 11:57
#24
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Serbia TheSerb
Hes a gr8 talent liquid wouldnt pick him up if he was bad
2020-08-12 12:00
i never said that he isnt talented but you have no idea how he will perform on lan vs good teams...we have almost no data at all so its just a speculation
2020-08-12 12:03
remember that in NA there are not a lot of teams so u always play / practice against the same teams while in EU there is a lot of teams. BlameF said in the hltv confirmed podcast that they play vs the same team in eu at max like 2 times a week while in na it was more
2020-08-12 12:01
#30
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Serbia TheSerb
Yeah but now you have eg,100t,c9,gen.g,liquid,furia,mibr,chaos,triumph,zepuggodz
2020-08-12 12:03
how many of those are tier 1/2 ??
2020-08-12 12:03
all the teams he named are t1 or t2 for NA standards, for world standards
2020-08-12 12:08
for world standards only 3 teams are t1/t2
2020-08-12 12:10
T1 for world, 100t, eg, liquid, mibr, (because they get invited alllways might aswell count them as t1 team) geng and furia on good day T2 everyone else not mentioned (triumph and ZPG are beteween t2 and t3)
2020-08-12 12:13
100t? Gen. G? Freaking mibr? Dude invites are irrelevant. Tiers are based on teams performance and not how popular they are. Mibr is barely t3
2020-08-12 12:16
Yes and by their performances they are invited to every tournament there is. invites literally reflect performance and team that gets invited always seems like t1 team. Teams like godsent and contatc are freat t2 examples, they always dont get invited but when someone worse than them does everyone instantly thinks about them...
2020-08-12 12:19
If you srsly think that mibr got their invites bcs of their performance that you are just deluded...
2020-08-12 12:21
You cant read i literally said that mibr shouldnt be there but i counted them in because of the invites...
2020-08-12 12:22
Tiers aren't popularity contest. You should realize that
2020-08-12 12:22
Every team except geng that i mentioned as t1 was in top 10 with their core, all the teams mentioned as t1 can upset anyone who was in top3 in 2020. And they can upset them more than once in a year.
2020-08-12 12:25
Oh God how is their core in the past relevant? You rly don't know how tiers work at all. I'm rather out of here or my IQ from your posts will drop even more. Bye
2020-08-12 12:26
Funny you say this when all you do is argue what i say but you dont provide anything yourself, its easy picking someones logic appart when you add nothing to the conversation.
2020-08-12 12:34
#74
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Mongolia Kkura
So what do you base off as tier 1 tier 2 and tier 3
2020-08-12 17:17
there is no official definition...but for me: t1 - teams that are favourites for 1st place in t1 tournaments, reaching at least semifinals on consistent basis t2 - teams that ususally advance from group stages in t1 events, can upset t1 teams on consistent basis and can win smaller events t3 - teams that are usually out in group stages in big events, cant win even smaller lans teams that can be considered as t1/t2 from his list are eg, liquid and furia with 100t and gen g being somehow debatable but no way on earth that c9, mibr, chaos, triumph and zepuggodz are there. not even close actually
2020-08-12 17:26
#37
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Serbia TheSerb
Eg,liq,furia t1 C9 geng mibr chaos,zepug gods t2 Triumph t3 i guess
2020-08-12 12:10
how is c9, mibr, chaos or zepug gods t2? maybe in NA but surely not overall
2020-08-12 12:11
also ban d13 KEKW
2020-08-14 16:29
#89
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Mongolia Kkura
Damn dude ur hate for d13 is relentless
2020-08-14 17:17
#9
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United States gtmaniacmda
banning steel and swag alone set back the NA scene like a year, iBP was NA's best team by quite a bit and they were the two key pieces, not that the ban wasn't deserved (maybe lifetime was too harsh, 2-3 years would have been fine, especially since it was the first of this kind of situation to happen in the game, but Valve makes the decisions, not me)
2020-08-12 11:49
322 was already a thing
2020-08-12 11:52
not in CS at that level of play
2020-08-12 11:52
I mean Solo's ban
2020-08-12 11:53
no idea why Valve acted different with each case, maybe because the scale of the iBP scandal was a lot bigger? isn't like Valve is known for their consistency, they just do whatever they want it seems
2020-08-12 12:02
they didn't know how to react with 322 but already knew what to do when ibp came along
2020-08-12 12:04
solo - best cis captain swag, steel - no potential
2020-08-14 16:30
+1
2020-08-21 14:52
#14
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Serbia TheSerb
So true, even more than a year like the 1st rly good na team was liquid with s1mple that was like 2016 and the scene grew after that quite alot there are some solid solid t2 teams in na now
2020-08-12 11:52
Also at the time there was no rule towards matchfixing, thats why the lifetime punishment seems stupid. 3 year ban would have been enough
2020-08-12 17:00
All of them got hurt except ska, he got hurt by losing all of his team tho.
2020-08-12 11:53
#26
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Serbia TheSerb
True but steel the most
2020-08-12 12:01
They all got the same punishment, they were getting better as I understand and the roster changes they did were after their throw. All of them were good.
2020-08-14 16:22
#25
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Canada JC_123
Steel ban destroyed NA CS potential
2020-08-12 12:01
#27
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Serbia TheSerb
+1 gr8 mind for cs
2020-08-12 12:01
#76
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Yugoslavia RiggedShit
ibp ban destroyed na scene but specially steel ban since he is still the top 1 igl in na
2020-08-12 17:31
"I'll start with Ska-" and then proceeds to put him in the buttom of the post, lol
2020-08-12 12:14
#70
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Serbia TheSerb
Yeah i wrote theyr names 1st and was lazy to rewrite hahahah
2020-08-12 12:58
They threw games to gain a profit.if i was in there position i would of straight up quit cs and played another competitive game and start fresh.
2020-08-12 12:35
#83
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North America Swboy1010
I was 12 years old when that happened. Holy shit I feel old.
2020-08-14 16:25
ok 17 y/o boy
2020-08-14 16:31
#84
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Germany lor3nz
they are all lucky they didnt get jailed like matchfixer would in Australia for example
2020-08-14 16:27
match fixing is serious, but perma ban is pretty intense i guess
2020-08-14 16:27
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