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FaZe vs karrigan
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United States jack4000 
Remember when NiKo kicked karrigan in late 2018 from FaZe ? Lets take a look how this turned out for both: karrigan: -got a team with some fpl talents to #2 -consistent tier 1 team for a good time -won a huge tournament -placed 2nd multiple times NiKo: -played with total bots like AdreN, Neo, olof and bymas in hope to find a suitable replacement for karrigan -wasted so much money for coldzera who is decent at best -never a tier 1 team -never top 3 before online era -won no relevant tournaments -biggest losers in the scene Thoughts? I think this is so embarrassing given NiKo had good players around him all the time and the money to buy new ones while karrigan had to pick some fpl talents and build a completely new team.
2020-08-14 14:58
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NiKo - The Prodigy Who Destroyed His Career
2020-08-14 14:59
2020-08-14 15:01
Haha what an argument Online cs btw
2020-08-14 15:05
#40
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Brazil Morkid
mouz just won 5 tournaments in a row last year, what about that? what have faze won in the last 9923129047 trillion years?
2020-08-14 15:34
hhhhhhhh
2020-08-14 15:46
Now thats a thescore esports title
2020-08-14 15:05
+1
2020-08-14 16:01
+1
2020-08-14 18:06
+1
2020-08-14 15:36
I always thought he's too toxic
2020-08-14 15:44
#2
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Europe headwick
You are god damn right
2020-08-14 15:00
when are you getting banned exactly
2020-08-14 15:01
#6
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United States jack4000
I never broke any rules
2020-08-14 15:03
#19
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China KoreanFan
2020-08-14 15:10
Jonathan E, please ban this guy.
2020-08-14 15:02
Jonathan E, please ban this guy.
2020-08-14 15:08
Jonathan E, please ban this guy.
2020-08-14 15:13
#67
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Canada cLutcheR7
Jonathan E, please ban this guy.
2020-08-14 16:02
Jonathan E, please ban this guy.
2020-08-14 19:05
u are the most salty hltv user ive ever met. u make salty hating threads every fcukin day. get some friends, girlfriend cuz im sure u need this
2020-08-14 15:03
#27
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Lithuania SeNSeO
Look what corona did to him
2020-08-14 15:18
how exactly was the blast with liquid who were still considered top 3 an irrelevant tournament?
2020-08-14 15:03
#13
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Peru Rhenie
Shit format. Doesnt matter how many tier 1 teams are playing if the games are played as bo1s the event is irrelevant.
2020-08-14 15:09
2020-08-14 15:08
This is not the main event tho
2020-08-14 15:11
they still have beaten liquid 2 times
2020-08-14 15:14
Like beating 2020 Liquid is a big achievment
2020-08-14 15:31
They placed 5-6 place at Kato .-.
2020-08-14 15:36
If faze won the close game vs navi they wouldve propably won kato if u look at the overall performances at kato....but navi edged them out twice and faze got a bad finish
2020-08-14 16:17
+1 unlucky lost twice to number 1 team and both close matches
2020-08-14 19:02
#24
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Peru Rhenie
It was literally a qualifier lmao
2020-08-14 15:14
lol
2020-08-14 15:27
Majors are shit too then? Nice logic
2020-08-14 15:36
#57
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Peru Rhenie
Well the main part of the majors (playoffs) are played as bo3s so no csgo majors are not completely irrelevant events.
2020-08-14 15:45
BLAST Play-offs is bo3 too
2020-08-14 21:42
best of 3 is basically 3 bo1 so its 3x as useless
2020-08-16 08:32
2020-08-16 12:26
KARRIGAN GOD
2020-08-14 15:05
Karrigan bot*
2020-08-14 15:37
Just like with FaZe he got them to top 2 for a couple of months and then ate some tasty cock like always Consistent Tier 1? FaZe have been consistently better than Mouz FaZe have also won tournaments... NiKo is playing with the most skilled players in CSGO rn Wasted so much money for coldzera for the fanbase, FaZe probably rolling in cash because of it They werent top 3, yes, but better than mouz Define Relevant Biggest Chads in scene Cry american
2020-08-14 15:05
+1
2020-08-14 15:09
mouz were top 3 tho? faze haven't been consistantly better, mouz was better at all times before online. NiKo playing with the most skilled players, lmaoooo.
2020-08-14 15:10
You mean before krieg nerf Krieg shut aim skills of players to the ground
2020-08-14 15:38
won't bother arguing with a delusional faze fan, same iq as sam2k and s1mple_best
2020-08-14 19:02
Nice,I got called me delusional only because my flair,good job
2020-08-14 21:35
Didn't say anything about ur flair. I've seen you before
2020-08-14 22:14
So where I'm delusional?
2020-08-14 22:19
#29
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Norway JKR01
2020-08-14 15:21
#41
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Norway JKR01
BIG is #1, so i don't think the ranking counts during online era Before corona Mouz was #2 and faze were still #8
2020-08-14 15:36
Mouz were #2 for a reaaaaaally short amount of time
2020-08-14 15:35
#52
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Norway JKR01
They might be ranked higher but that doesn't really matter as long as they are losing to mouz is it?
2020-08-14 15:41
welp, mouz has been losing to everyone by evidence of that ranking
2020-08-14 15:46
#59
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Norway JKR01
everyone except faze :)
2020-08-14 15:46
thats very unlucky for the rankings
2020-08-14 15:47
#63
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Norway JKR01
yep, but they will bounce back once LAN cs returns Faze however will stay at around #5-10
2020-08-14 15:52
no Krieg no mouz
2020-08-14 15:56
#34
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United States jack4000
hahahaha gyazo.com/9467fc668c64234f9bef7c13e68d86.. If FaZe didnt have the points from their time with karrigan then mouz would have been nearly the whole time consistently better than FaZe FaZe won irrelevant blast bo1 tournaments, with FaZe they won actual tier 1 events Niko is played with washed up players only rn, none of them are in any way top 20 they were not better than mouz relevant tournaments mean tournaments that all the teams care for to win with a nice format, not vacation blast events biggest chads? maybe biggest losers in the scene
2020-08-14 15:29
#38
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United States jack4000
online :D FaZe fans are so desperate
2020-08-14 15:32
Hoes mad oNLinE
2020-08-14 15:33
NoKriegNoMouz
2020-08-14 15:39
+1
2020-08-14 15:40
Did you get out of silver during all this time?
2020-08-14 15:08
True, karrigan is so underrated. Not the best fragger but he is a good igl
2020-08-14 15:10
this mf spittin facts
2020-08-14 15:15
"-never a tier 1 team" That's just not true, is it. "-won no relevant tournaments" They won Blast Copenhagen and Miami😂 👌
2020-08-14 15:20
axaxaxa
2020-08-14 15:28
Karrigan went from Tier4 Faze to top1 Mouz Very nice player
2020-08-14 15:27
i agree with you jack4000, you're spittin' facts. it's a rare thing that i found a topic that i agree with you!
2020-08-14 15:31
ignored the thread cause jack4000
2020-08-14 15:40
+1
2020-08-14 15:42
#62
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United States jack4000
thats why you replied two times here?
2020-08-14 15:50
How are they not a tier 1 team? "haters" are even more delusional than retarded fans.
2020-08-14 15:41
Karrigan: Fluked like AVANGAR Tier2 team without SG553 ICE Challenge not a big tournament Kato 7-8,summit 13-16,choking at RtR
2020-08-14 15:42
2020-08-16 12:32
ye NiKo is so much better with aim than Finn but in my opinion karrigan is definetely better igl than NiKo, if not the best igl in cs history
2020-08-14 15:43
“Best igl in CS history” karrigan 0 majors, gla1ve 4 majors, pronax 2 majors, fallen 2 majors, Zeus 1 major, xizt 1 major, taz 1 major. And that’s just CSGO. But yes, please tell me more about how karrigan is even in the conversation for best igl in CS history.
2020-08-14 18:08
Lol it took karrigan 8 months to get mouse to a t1 team, and that only lasted for 3 months and now look at them. They won 1 t1 event and had a couple 2nd place finishes and now they’re absolute dog shit. At least faze has managed to stay top 10 while making multiple roster changes and playing with washed up players like olof, adren, neo, and guardian. The only time they dropped out of the top 10 in the last 3 years when they changed more than 1 player. You really should shut the fuck up, I’ve seen multiple comments/threads by you and you’re actually brain dead. Btw at the height of EG, they could never take down a broken faze, still salty huh?
2020-08-14 15:57
#71
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United States jack4000
mouz was a completely new team LOL and even then the achievements you counted for them are still superior to what FaZe did since kicking karrigan The fact that they played with so many shit players is entirely their fault, they shouldnt have kicked karrigan when they have no suitable replacement for him. That you could make arguments that FaZe was better than mouz since the karrigan kick is by far not enough. FaZe should have been WAY better given the players and recourses they had. Its not me who should shut the fuck up, its you and the fans who thinks its a victory to be better than mouz.
2020-08-14 16:30
You’re literally the one who started this thread talking shit, not the first time you’ve done a karrigan vs Niko thread either. No one said anything about faze being better than mouse is a victory, that’s something you made up in your completely deluded brain. You’re trying to justify karrigan taking 8 months with 2 top 20 players and a top 25 player to reach T1 competition. And i didn’t say it was anyone’s fault that faze had washed up players, i simply said they were able to maintain top 10 with washed players. Again your delusions calling on statements no one made. It just goes to show how stupid you are thinking faze shouldn’t have kicked karrigan, you obviously weren’t watching faze during that time, because if you were you’d know that the last few months karrigan was igling in faze they had absolutely terrible tsides. And it is a fact that faze was better than mouse up till they won Pro league in December. And you say faze should have been way better, but they were still a top 10 team in the world, with two rapidly aging players and always playing with a standin. Mouse on the other hand, was not as good as they should’ve been till literally the last month of the year, a whole 8 months after the roster was formed, and have been getting worse and worse since. You should not be trying to argue points where you have no real knowledge on a subject and only argue with what you see on the surface. I’m sure whatever comeback you try to formulate is going to be complete nonsense and you’ll think you’ve made a good argument, but you should really save yourself the clearly strenuous thinking on your part because you are just too much of an idiot to be a part of a conversation like this.
2020-08-14 18:04
#79
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United States jack4000
No one said that? I see many FaZe fans saying FaZe being better than mouz as a win. 3 top 25 players? Wtf? They have one decent player in ropz at best. Just watch them go to other teams in the future where they will be worse than to mouz best times. Seems like you are not able to read correctly so I will repeat again that they shouldnt have kicked karrigan when they have no suitable replacement for him. That doesnt mean I think he shouldnt have been kicked at all. Not better until Pro League? Lol. mouz were already officialy better by the time the major happened. FaZe being still a top 10 team with "two rapidly aging players" and a stand in lmao what kind of argument is that. The fact that they had a stand in all the times goes back to them kicking karrigan without a replacement which I always criticize. They had the best players in the world and couldnt do shit with it because they are incompetent losers. mouz not as good as they should have been?? Take a look at their lineup and tell me with a straight face they should be in the top 8. Its unbelieveable that they even made top 5 with the players they have. Its also a joke that you call me a delusional with "no real knowledge on a subject" when you post this crap. Something is wrong with you when you seriously think you can be "part of a conversation like this" with such poor logic.
2020-08-14 18:19
Last year woxic and ropz were top 20, frozen was right on the outskirts probably around 22 or 23, all top 25 during the 8 months i was talking about, which i clearly stated, pretty obvious who can’t read here. And if four players want to kick someone, why wouldn’t they? It was said that he was not fitting into the team anymore and the team, not just NiKo, wanted him gone. I guess you forgot faze beat mouse at the major, weird how mouse is better than the team that beat them at that event. You talk shit on faze for taking their time building the lineup instead of immediately replacing karrigan with a permanent player, but they are doing just fine and now have figured out who they want to get. Building an ideal lineup isn’t something you can just do. It just goes to show how shit of an igl karrigan is, that after he got kicked faze were still a top 10 team with that lineup. Also i don’t know what you’re talking about the best players in the world, they haven’t been the best players in the world since early 2018, after that only NiKo and guardian were some of the best players in the world. And we saw how guardian fell off in 2019. They couldn’t do shit because teams like astralis and liquid were dominating the scene, that doesn’t make them incompetent losers, i don’t know why you’re so hurt by them kicking karrigan. And again, in 2019 mouse had 3 top 25 players, arguably the most experienced support in chrisJ, and a supposed t1 igl in karrigan, why did it take them 8 MONTHS to win a t1 tournament? You’re telling me that they should’ve never been top 8 with that lineup? Holy fuck you’re an idiot. You are very clearly a delusional brain dead dip shit with no real knowledge about CS. Go back to Reddit where you belong.
2020-08-14 18:59
#68
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Canada cLutcheR7
FaZe better than mousesports IMO. Online or on LAN. Big tournament or not. If there is many Tier 1 teams in the event even with a shitty format it matters. also FaZe team looking hot and chad
2020-08-14 16:03
niko is good indiviudally but nothing more.. he literally kicked bymas and karrigan single handedly. Everything niko says will be done lmao he played fpl and saw bymas could be good for his team aaaaalright lets get bymas and now bymas got kicked sadly and joined mouz. FaZe didn't achieve in the past years.. Better to get rid of that roster with no sense I am pretty sure kjaerbayeeye wont fix the issue they got
2020-08-14 16:21
only 2 top 4 finishes and one of them was a charity event while the other one was the last event with the old krieg
2020-08-14 18:06
+1
2020-08-14 18:52
Signed up 2020-05-25
2020-08-14 18:10
#78
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United Kingdom StonkBonk
Imagine allowing yourself to get baited by Jack fucking four thousand. Like come on guys.
2020-08-14 18:15
Stopped reading after "Remember when NiKo kicked karrigan in late 2018 from FaZe ?"
2020-08-14 18:59
Not much achieved after Karrigan, however I think the Kjaerbye move will change this. The team now has an incredible amount of talent skill. I think the perfomance of the squad is mainly now reliant on how Niko performs as an igl and how YNK fits the squad into the best position possible. Niko is a very underrated IGL in my opinion, and is criticised for many things out of his control.
2020-08-14 19:03
they need to kick rain as well. He is so low consistent since ... ever.
2020-08-14 21:39
#87
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Canada dennek
how to know a faze fan: -cringe name -stupid gang signs -some unknown language only known by virgins too deep into meme -screenshots of their peak( if faze is better than a certain team 1 day out of 365, they will post it everywhere ignoring the rest 364 days.) -loves to argue, cuz they have nothing to do(faze -usually get knocked out before semi finals so i guess that’s why they have a lot of time to argue) -good firepower good team, but fanbase is really bringing down their reputation -mom insults -nonamer flags -probably fortnite players wears their only champion hoodie for 2 years
2020-08-14 19:12
they played last 6 months with karrigan worse than with anyone else
2020-08-16 08:36
well actually after they kick karrigan they actually almost won a major but sadly they lost to a NA team making NA won 1st major and make it better than S0mple 0 major haha
2020-08-16 12:34
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Finland Eestu
Karrigan was playing on FaZe when they got to the Boston major final
2020-08-16 12:39
+1 Faze never won anything important since they kicked karrigan only 2 shit blast events, usually get knocked out in semis
2020-08-16 12:34
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Finland Eestu
I guess at the time it seemed like the right choice for them, but as we can see now it didn't work out. I really wish they didn't kick Karrigan back then but I mean after the Boston major they didn't really perform at their best anymore and usually if they get outplayed a lot its the IGLs fault in one way or another. I'm not only blaming Karrigan for their bad performance after Boston, but I mean they had NiKo, GuardiaN, Olof and Rain on the roster so firepower wasn't the problem. Imo they should've just tried to work things out with Karrigan because he is after all one of the best IGLs in CS.
2020-08-16 12:38
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