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NA to Valorant
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United States KinglyFish 
People calling NA pros going to Valorant washed or sell outs is hilarious. Loyalty doesn't pay the bills, especially in America, so of course they're gonna sell out. Health insurance doesn't pay for itself in America...
2020-08-15 08:42
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#1
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Some people here are cs fanboys to the level of cringe. Valorant is a fun game, it's competitive scene is getting really serious and hot, and the profit you would be able to make on it is will be so much better then CSGO. Especially if you come now while it's still pretty fresh. Also competitive cs is washed up imo.. Watching tournaments for the past year was a pain for me, either super boring or just didn't make sense. I really hope the scene will go through this rut but for now although they are not big Valorant tournaments are pretty fun to watch.
2020-08-15 08:48
Even without Corona, you're absolutely right about the entire scene being washed. Astralis destroyed the confidence of the former top teams (NA, Swedish, etc...). Now we're left with this mess of a scene.
2020-08-15 08:51
I agreed until you said "former top teams (NA, Swedish, etc...)" NA was not a former top team.
2020-08-15 09:47
Liquid would've probably had their own era if Astralis didn't destroy their confidence by constantly knocking them out of tournaments.
2020-08-15 21:36
stop it i still have the PTSD of that vertigo pick my astralis PepeHands
2020-08-16 14:32
Why did you mention it man...
2020-08-17 02:28
i need to share my pain men :((
2020-08-17 03:07
#202
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Other Entry_
i can never forget the look on Elige's face
2020-08-20 16:41
bro face said "uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
2020-09-15 17:47
Memes aside, Liquid was definitly a top team.
2020-08-15 21:48
Yeah, agreed. But in reality they weren't someone to count on.
2020-08-16 01:02
literally nothing to back this statement up. If anything Astralis run inspired Liquid to become better which lead them to a Grandslam
2020-08-16 01:15
The ironic part is when people say all this shit but never actually leave the scene behind and go play their favorite valorant, they just complain and complain and complain.
2020-08-15 09:02
#8
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I'm only playing Valorant atm and watching some matches every now and then of cs. You can do both when you have a brain, not ironic.
2020-08-15 09:05
yet it causes you pain to watch cs matches, so in what sense does it make to watch any cs matches if it causes you pain? are you a masochist
2020-08-15 09:09
#15
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I still take interest in some teams, but not whole tournaments like before. Even that is dwindling away, so my point is still valid. Was always tbh but ok champ.
2020-08-15 09:10
that's different from describing the entire scene as washed up, but ok boomer, looks like you can't remember what you typed 20 minutes ago
2020-08-15 09:12
#18
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
"14 years old" "ok boomer" I see sheep trade doesn't bring much education to your life hahaha. My points still stands, finish your middle-school English classes so you could understand me next time.
2020-08-15 09:13
i said 14 year old brain capacity, but then again you don't know how to read hahaha, you actually want to talk to me about education but you're a complete hypocrite who doesn't know how to get his point out refuting his own opinion
2020-08-15 09:14
#23
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Refuting opinions? hahaha I like that you are proving to me who i'm arguing with. Try to have better arguments next time, or at-least not take offend over a video game little boy.
2020-08-15 09:17
My favorite part of people like you is that you never actually refute what I'm saying you just say some other shit that's completely off putting. It's really something you gotta enjoy about chatting with people over the internet.
2020-08-15 09:18
#27
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I did, you just refuse to accept that and retreat to low-IQ slurs like "14 year old brain capacity" etc. Which is fine I didn't except more from you. My favorite part is people losing an argument and can't accept it, so they try to convince themselves they are smart hahaha.
2020-08-15 09:20
Nice try I guess, but you really aren't good at trolling, or reading.
2020-08-15 09:21
#31
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I see now you are retreating to thinking I'm trolling. Each comment you try to find comfort in some made up argument, but I think you know that and just to afraid to admit it :)
2020-08-15 09:22
#34
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
"You are literally proving my point, and the point I made saying you can't understand basic English. Again, very sad. I'm hoping this will somewhat help you improve yourself because obviously nothing did that for you so far in life." Posting the same thing twice, classic stress mistake.
2020-08-15 09:24
Stress l0l, you can't even remember what you said 10 minutes ago and complain about the understanding of English yet I can clearly communicate, weird how that works
2020-08-15 09:26
#39
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Stress on the web is not that weird, when someone with low self-esteem loses an argument on the web he tries to find different ways to offend. Once he realises he is dealing with someone smarter then him, he gets into stress.
2020-08-15 09:27
When you can tell the mood of somebody on the opposite end of a keyboard, you're like 14 different things in one yet only half of a personality is showing
2020-08-15 09:30
#44
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Do you know any other numbers? hahaha. Also I see your speech is deteriorating even further, This is very hard to watch, yet very satisfying!
2020-08-15 09:31
Sounds like you're jerking off to this, I can't imagine how somebody with that small of an attention span can find enjoyment in this, I'm just bored
2020-08-15 09:34
#49
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I kinda like pressing buttons of some people on the internet, yes. Attention span has nothing to do with it, but I guess if you know a phrase use it right? hahaha
2020-08-15 09:36
naa just feels like you're just zoning out everything then plastering a vague insult at the end of every reply, but that seems to be the fad on hltv and reddit
2020-08-15 09:38
#58
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Nope, but I can understand why you are still incapable of understanding.
2020-08-15 09:39
ya that's what it is, i was just thinking of a way to explain it better since talking to you is like talking to a neanderthal but that's my error for doing so not urs no worrys
2020-08-15 09:42
#65
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Boring argument, resulting to petty means. Now you're even repeating the same circle, sad :(
2020-08-15 09:43
looks like your jerk off session has ended, weird how people like you work, off you go then lol
2020-08-15 09:44
#72
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Someone's running on steam haha. This was the most boring comment you've mad so far, and that says a lot.
2020-08-15 09:46
i didn't know it was a race to whoever lost more braincells, nevertheless that's usually how they end when you talk to em i suppose
2020-08-15 09:47
#80
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Are you now resorting to talking to yourself in a cynical matter? This is a new type of loss i'm seeing. Glad I sticked around for this shit-show hahaha.
2020-08-15 09:48
I guess i'm talking to myself then, weird flex
2020-08-15 09:50
#84
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Jesus you can't even handle that one. Maybe I am an ass like that dude said.
2020-08-15 09:51
no just a hypocrite and troll, because i refuse to believe this is how a normal human behaves
2020-08-15 09:52
#89
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Neither of those but I can understand the confusion
2020-08-15 09:53
#51
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Austria SplasJ
your are as much of an ass as he is after reading some of this
2020-08-15 09:36
another inbred has entered the chat, at the very least make sense please
2020-08-15 09:37
#55
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Austria SplasJ
wtf are you even talking about my sentence is fully understandable, maybe you really should learn how to read. BTW reported have fun
2020-08-15 09:38
gyazo.com/b33c7c7e3d68e762726eb38338596a.. you even edited it because of how bad you putted it and it's still wrong hey look i can edit too, reported LUL
2020-08-15 09:39
#59
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Austria SplasJ
putted tells me everything i need to know just stop embarrassing yourself.
2020-08-15 09:40
#66
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Austria SplasJ
that doesn't even make any sense whatsoever. Also why do you even make yourself all the work to upload that xD
2020-08-15 09:44
i don't know if you realized it takes about 2 seconds to take a picture like what i did, also stop
2020-08-15 09:45
put* not putted. Idiot.
2020-08-16 01:23
I never said the word putted, so you can go find yourself a dumpster to throw yourself in
2020-08-16 03:47
#57 retard
2020-08-16 12:58
bad b8
2020-08-16 13:01
when ur only purpose is to correct grammar
2020-08-16 13:01
#54
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I'll take it, you are probably right.
2020-08-15 09:37
#91
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Austria SplasJ
you should stop writing to him, its impossible to argue with someone like him
2020-08-15 10:00
#237
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Finland Sorsa
lul calling ur self smarter then someone else. such big brain move!
2020-09-15 09:16
#123. Also the game not being fun for you doesn't mean shit. Viewership is higher than ever and so is the player base
2020-08-16 01:16
#140
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
It means shit, for me, what's the problem with that? First section I talked about how Valorant is fun, and then I said competitive CS doesn't do it for me anymore. What is viewership has to do with this? No one talked about that :\
2020-08-16 10:35
#173
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France Nairelav
I still love watching CS and I agree about most of what you said, the thing I don't understand is why they are all trashing Valorant when we could have 2 great and similar games to have fun on and watching tournament of both, I don't get it
2020-08-20 00:03
Valorant is a CS+OW wannabe and it's barely a beta at this point lol
2020-08-20 00:20
Honestly do not agree, i have played and watched both sides competitively and cannot find any joy at watching Valorant, only playing, while in cs i lose my joy on playing but always love to watch it.
2020-08-20 04:16
Valorant won't ever compare to the cs proffesional scene, thats why if you're going their to pursue a pro career i think its stupid, if you go there to be a influencor (streamer, youtuber etc) it makes sense. Valorant is just not fun to watch though, ESPECIALLY if you don't play the game.. people who don't play cs can still understand it and the pro scene is really good for welcoming new viewers, like alot of people ik who don't play cs know about kennyS or s1mple and have seen some games.
2020-08-20 16:48
#221
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Canada f0rkb0mb
Valorant is boring, but I do understand players switching to this game .. most of them have the same reason: money, .. hell if you pay me for playing that boring game I'll do it too!
2020-08-21 19:33
+1 this is why na pros are switching games, they hope to get paid more in valorant
2020-09-15 09:02
100% agreed
2020-09-15 17:53
Seriously guys, making a ton of money playing video games is enough for people who have bills to pay.
2020-08-15 09:02
Is it fun bumping your own post because nobody cars zzzzzzzzz
2020-08-15 09:03
Well you have two comments in here so apparently you care at least a little.
2020-08-15 09:06
depends on your definition of caring, but sure
2020-08-15 09:08
I think you care a whole lot considering the sheer number of comments you have on here.
2020-08-15 21:34
When I talk down to an autistic child about something that has nothing to do with your trash thread and then I have you coming in to make an invalid claim for more attention. That's really cool, you're cool.
2020-08-15 22:18
Complains about me "bumping my thread" for adding something I originally forgot to add to the main post. Proceeds to bump my thread about 50 times to not lose an internet argument. lmao.
2020-08-19 11:34
Proceeds to revive his own thread 4 days later for more attention, like you literally can't pin shit against me when you're doing that, why don't you come back next year for its anniversary, bake me a cake give me a bj, it'll be a swell time.
2020-08-19 13:35
I had 9+ replies and just saw this comment. And you're still replying btw. Gotta win those meaningless internet arguments right?
2020-08-19 20:39
Complains about me "bumping my thread", yeah. #162, #157, #160 Imagine all that effort to respond to week old comments where the guy doesn't care anymore and you re-invite them over. "Gotta win those meaningless internet arguments right?" Says the hypocrite. You're just like that ONGix guy, I can easily rebuke you or show how full of shit you are even with proof of why you're wrong, but at the end of the day you will try to get the last word in no matter what. By the way if you do want the last word just let me know and I won't reply anymore, because I'd rather not try to convince a tumor of it's harmfulness.
2020-08-19 23:04
Lmao I can say that last line to you right back. Everything you say is a projection dude. You claim I just want the last word when that's clearly what you want. I've stopped caring plenty of times and let people get in the last word or try to end the conversation amicably. You're probably a troll or baiter who picks fights with everyone. Feel free to stop replying, you probably won't though.
2020-08-19 23:10
I just told you I wouldn't unless you did, then you copy&paste my comment and call me a troll/baiter LOL spell it with me h - y - p - o - c - r - i - t - e
2020-08-19 23:13
Everything you say is a projection. Your entire account is just you picking fights with people with strange, insulting comments and replies. You're probably a baiter and definitely a hypocrite. And this comment should be the last word since it's the truth and I can't be bothered to waste more time on you, so keep your word and stop replying.
2020-08-19 23:28
I literally didn't say I would stop, at all? I just proved you were 100% a hypocrite so really it doesn't matter, and if I'm a baiter then you took the bait real good buddy. Caught me a fat one. Also asking for the last word is literally what it sounds like, you ask for it, you don't casually imply it. "I can't be bothered to waste more time on you" bye bye
2020-08-19 23:36
"By the way if you do want the last word just let me know and I won't reply anymore" Did you forget you wrote this? Well I've laid out the truth and want the last word so stop replying. If you're gonna accuse me of being a hypocrite, at least keep your word. Obvious baiter is obvious. Dude at the end of the day, you commenting over and over again on my thread allowed more people to read my opinion on NA CS and Valorant.
2020-08-19 23:37
#12
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I think you're dealing with a cringe fanboy here, it's quite a specimen.
2020-08-15 09:08
people who use the word cringe to describe everything LUUUUUUL, 14 year old brain capacity at its finest
2020-08-15 09:10
#16
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
You just wrote LULLL, you are obviously 15 years old at max who flexes on 14 years old on the internet because they don't like your favorite game :(
2020-08-15 09:11
you aren't even good at memeing, you just said you don't like cs but here you are on a cs based website, negative 40 iq
2020-08-15 09:13
#20
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I said competitive CS is washed up, don't they teach basic English or is it not required even in the 3rd world?
2020-08-15 09:13
and competitive cs isn't a part of the teams you're interested in? Does that tiny brain correlate to the sand in your vagina that makes you keep typing garbage
2020-08-15 09:15
#24
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
What does that have to do with it? For years I've followed those teams and as I said i hope the scene will get out of this rut that's why i'm still following every once in a while. Can't your brain handle things that aren't black or white? Not surprised tbh.
2020-08-15 09:18
A guy who claims the entire scene is washed up, is pained to even watch the tournaments, and said he didn't like CS, tells me he follows them anyways. You can't even insult me with that level of brain capacity you actually can't remember anything you type and you do things that function outside of normal human behavior. HoLY FuCk
2020-08-15 09:20
#28
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Again, can't understand basic English. Sad :( But whatever makes you thing you won an argument I can see you need this for your low confidence.
2020-08-15 09:21
#33
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
You are literally proving my point, and the point I made saying you can't understand basic English. Again, very sad. I'm hoping this will somewhat help you improve yourself because obviously nothing did that for you so far in life.
2020-08-15 09:23
Words you typed to the dot apparently don't mean what they look like they mean, interesting. Apparently I'm supposed to feel your sorrow through the monitor, boohoo
2020-08-15 09:25
#36
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
You are even losing the ability to type semi-logical arguments now. I'm enjoying every second of this now hahaha.
2020-08-15 09:26
Probably the most enjoyment you've ever had in your life to be fair, that's actually the saddest thing i've read today.
2020-08-15 09:27
#40
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
This is the most enjoyment I've had this morning, but I get the confusion and stress.
2020-08-15 09:29
That's actually more sad than what I read 2 minutes ago. To be fair any confusion here is your lack of clarifying anything you said, but that's because you don't know how to xD, "learn english" gyazo.com/250adbacf82ffe8b5fc9cf071c482c.. gyazo.com/98d2c1488b6c101b50346161913ac1.. gyazo.com/404b33fd9340a9bf81df8304ce3d3e..
2020-08-15 09:31
#45
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I already did, but it seems you are too mad (stressed?) to understand how you lost the argument a few minutes ago already. As I said, I'm staying for the show, it's quite entertaining watching kids decay their remaining brain-cells on the internet.
2020-08-15 09:33
Besides repeating the same exact words 3 times you didn't explain anything, but I guess that's how they do things over in your country.
2020-08-15 09:36
#52
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
We have concise arguments yes, no need to repeat the same one or choose another if you are already right. I guess no one debates in yours? Unsuprising.
2020-08-15 09:37
When you deny ever saying things that I can prove with pictures then you're wrong, but yeah keep trying to "Debate".
2020-08-15 09:40
#62
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
I stopped debating a lot of messages ago that was the point of that comment. Even that is hard for you to read?
2020-08-15 09:41
u never debated anything you just say shit then deny saying it, then "lern engrish" that's about as far as people from your country go
2020-08-15 09:43
#67
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Wrong again, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised that even this makes you confused.
2020-08-15 09:44
I could post a picture of that exact thing but you'd just deny it again, and "learn english"
2020-08-15 09:46
#78
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
You could and that would not be surprising because you are pretty bad at arguing. And you should, still, learn English.
2020-08-15 09:47
yeah, posting proof of a guy lying and then him still lying is pretty silly, but then again you're you and i'm me, I don't have to wake up to you tomorrow
2020-08-15 09:48
#81
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Repeating the same incorrect argument doesn't make it correct. This is not the market at your hometown. But then again, I'm me and you are you, and education is quite different in our states it seems.
2020-08-15 09:50
i don't recall any argument just a guy being a hypcorite
2020-08-15 09:51
#85
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
As I said the argument stopped along time ago, you lost it.
2020-08-15 09:51
you just want the last word, that's all, and i'll let you have it loser peace
2020-08-15 09:53
#90
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Admitted defeat, nice :)
2020-08-15 09:54
That's a very creative way to cry about capitalism, I'll give you that.
2020-08-15 09:05
Lmao. I'm not complaining about anything. Most of these pros moving of Valorant are grown men with bills to pay. And people on here are hating on them for "selling out".
2020-08-15 21:35
2020-08-15 21:37
#98 Where's the complaint, point it out to me.
2020-08-15 21:38
2020-08-15 21:47
Kazaks: culture, feeling, emotional, love, spirit USA: MONEY MONEY MONEY ONLY MONEY NEED MORE FUKING MONEY
2020-08-15 09:12
Why did I read this in a twisted ABBA version of Money, Money, Money? o.O
2020-08-15 09:30
flag checks out
2020-08-15 10:20
you sound like a reddit neckbeard faggot
2020-08-16 01:24
No, it's because the game is better.
2020-08-15 09:35
People bitching because pros are their own people who can make their own decisions. Pretty fucking funny."Boo hoo, everyone is moving to a better game that's more fun, waaaaaah" CS fangays
2020-08-15 09:34
#70
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Switzerland Jeded
>Better Game? > more fun? Are we talking about the same game here or did I miss something ?
2020-08-15 09:45
If you don't like it, you've been conditioned to the sterile environment CS has molded into your brain. Take a look in the mirror and do something with your life.
2020-08-15 09:47
#86
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
+1 Preaching truth to blind people.
2020-08-15 09:52
#92
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Switzerland Jeded
Valorant is a slower and less skillful game. How is it better in any way? It's CS for Sub 80 IQ people
2020-08-15 10:10
Ah, another ape brain that been permanently molded into the sterile environment of CSGO. Enjoy playing the same game for 50 years, I'll be enjoying my variety.
2020-08-15 10:13
#94
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Switzerland Jeded
OK Burger brain
2020-08-15 10:15
0/8
2020-08-16 01:17
The baits on these retards is so easy hahahaha
2020-08-16 01:20
+1
2020-08-19 12:05
Lol definition of a brain-dead shill with a touch of narcissism. just because your burger brain likes a game, it doesn't make it better than cs. Everyone has their own taste. It's ironic how you call other people fangays, while being the biggest valorant fangay and shill. Imagine being so brain dead to think just because you happen to like a game, everyone else must and whoever doesn't is "an ape brain fangay". Go get a life burger, playing valorant somehow has managed to get you iq to subzero levels
2020-08-20 06:32
Nice iq btw mouth breathing valorant fangay
2020-08-20 06:31
#69
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United States dirtydan__
money is temporary legacy is forever but at the end of the day its their choice to make so whatever... still washed players going to valorant tho lol
2020-08-15 09:45
#111
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United States Phamous3k
nitr0 better then I'll say... 95% of CS players in NA.
2020-08-15 21:58
still washed up.
2020-08-16 13:17
#152
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United States Phamous3k
Lol that’s some dumb shit to say. Best NA igl, better then most CS players overall and still washed haha. Dude, stop trolling
2020-08-16 15:58
u can be a god tier igl, but 0.8 rating is simply not enough for tier 1.
2020-08-16 20:25
Do you understand what washed means burger? No is questioning his past achievements you room temp iq bot
2020-08-20 07:02
#201
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United States Phamous3k
He's better than many t1 NA CS players... Lol ok Denmark. Stop being a dumbass you clearly understand what I meant. I would build a team around nitr0 over Grim. Stewie2k, etc.
2020-08-20 16:39
+1 I see veri smart personaliti
2020-08-16 01:15
NA Scene is a lot more competitive in Valulrant so even without huge salaries it probably feels more satisfying rather achieve something in a relatively relevant game than rot in ESEA MDL
2020-08-15 10:23
I wont go unless VALORANT takes Jordan "N0thing" Gilbert away from me
2020-08-15 21:41
hes a streamer. He's not tied to any game
2020-08-16 01:26
He has not officially retired for Counter-strike, so he is technically still a free agent in the CS scene
2020-08-16 06:26
getting paid 3 or 4 years for wining 0 majors and still cry about "loyality dont pay bills ? " KEKW U ARE TRASh
2020-08-15 21:45
What are you talking about? Every player that gets paid has to win a major? Where's that rule? You're the one who's trash if that's seriously your logic man.
2020-08-15 21:53
yes ... u are paid to win major if u are tier 1 team with tier 1 conditions and stuff.... only in na nobody is punished /kicked out for failing and thats why the country is going to shit right now ... if u suck u should get fired no matter what ...
2020-08-15 21:57
Astralis ruined Liquid's chances of winning a major tbf. Also all the big money is in streaming/sponsors and they don't wanna kick established players that are known in the community and have popular streams.
2020-08-15 21:58
na streamer region KEKW
2020-08-15 21:59
you're a moron
2020-08-16 01:17
what the fuck are you talking about
2020-08-16 01:26
#110
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United States Phamous3k
haha +1 What kind of fucking logic was that lolol...
2020-08-15 21:57
Interestingly you pay about twice as much for health insurance on average compared to a German earning 3k gross, and yet ours is still a million times better. And what we pay for the normal health insurance isn't even based on age, state of health or state of residence.
2020-08-15 22:06
#116
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United States Phamous3k
Our health care is completely privatized and absolute trash... Like, it's stupid bad.
2020-08-15 22:09
There is nothing wrong with it. Get a job.
2020-08-16 04:58
#154
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United States Phamous3k
We own a real estate firm in the states. Don’t need a job lol. Healthcare system is still trash as fuck. Stop trolling. commonwealthfund.org/publications/newsle.. pgpf.org/blog/2020/07/how-does-the-us-he..
2020-08-16 16:08
Lmao dude I follow tech pretty closely. Everything is gonna be automated away in 20-30 years. Even the compliance jobs (and other working for the sake of working jobs) are probably gonna get automated away. What industry are you in? Even Machine Learning is being simplified with things like Tensorflow and OpenCV. Would you still hold that opinion with no job?
2020-08-19 11:30
#115
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United States Phamous3k
steamdb.info/servers/ ^ NA CS dead guys... No need to be a professional if you can just stream it as a hobby and still get paid rather then join "Lookin 4 Org" trying to get signed. Literally like 4 or 5 respectable orgs operating in NA. After that you have stuff like Recon 5, New England Whalers etc. and they're not paying no real salaries. So, easy decision... Valorant is getting tons of investment, tournaments with big prize pools, sponorships, viewership etc. I swear some of you will be loyal to a fault... No business sense.
2020-08-15 22:06
I mean at the end of the day we're just consumers. If Valorant was truely better to watch / play then everyone would move, clearly many CS fans believe it hasnt got what it takes to be its successor / serious competitor so they stick to CS. Clearly many Valorant NA pros saw it as a way to pay the bills, as its been stated by many of them they wouldve tried to stay in CS but the NA scene doesnt have any orgs.
2020-08-16 01:21
Man these stats are eye opening. With so little people playing in NA, it's crazy we even have a few good teams like Liquid and EG. I think the future of NA CS isn't looking good with these numbers. Just seems to be a lot more excitement for other games, especially on the west coast where I live.
2020-08-20 03:31
u get burned out at one point. so a new challenge and a new goal is always good.
2020-08-16 01:07
well i mean tbf the cs pros who went to valorant were all teamless washed up players
2020-08-16 01:13
nitr0
2020-08-16 01:27
majority mens he and ska are the only accomplished players in valorant rn
2020-08-16 06:33
He was still teamless and was nearing the end of t1 cs career
2020-08-20 06:35
Not really true. Wardell was an up-and-coming, same with Tenz. Is it really so hard to believe that these players just like Valorant more?
2020-08-20 03:36
Wardell was never getting on a t1 cs team and tenz was a reject pug bot lol
2020-08-20 07:06
Wardell was almost signed to c9 and tenz was on c9 so you're obviously just a NA hater and a CS stan lol
2020-08-20 10:17
c9 havent been t1 since tarik auti major winner days, tenz was a reject pug bot had his shot on a 'pro' team and got benched/rejected
2020-08-20 11:40
Are nobodies into CSGO high level competitive scene, yes. So are either washed out or not good enough. That is all. I watched few matches into Faze invitational, supposed the best teams in the world and the level of what i was seeing was really low. I laughed many times with some funny plays you will almost never see in a CSGO tier 2 match let alone tier 1. It is not bad for Valorant to have subpar competitive scene to CSGO, it is ok because it is a far easier game and easier to kill/be effective/execute so game tends to require less skill so of course will feel subpar plus pug plays are way more forgivable and that can make it both exciting or ridiculous at the same time.
2020-08-16 03:57
"easier to execute" lmao you have never played valorant obviously. It is much harder to execute in Valorant than CS, you have to account for many more factors.
2020-08-16 12:59
Im playing Valorant since Beta. You must be crazy and out of your mind if you think execution is harder. You havent played CSGO if you say so. From flashing to smoking a site properly to hit headshot ( far easier in Valorant because of hitboxes ) to survive, seconds chances ( revives/heals ), rotations thru teleports, footsteps can be heard from way further and add everything else like SOVA that can scan a whole area or having cameras all over the place .. Wtf are you drinking saying Valorant is much harder ? For example , anyone can smoke efficiently in all maps in Valorant with Omen for example because is super easy. Smoking thru walls from afar with precision. How many you think can smoke efficiently in all CSGO maps ? Not even Veterans know all smokes and besides needs the whole team to execute together with precision for proper execution, when you can have a Brimstoke and smoke thru a map 3 places at once... i mean loool. I can come up with 100 more examples, so please. Valorant much harder... dream on !
2020-08-16 14:39
all of that is ignoring that the defense has access to the same utility you just listed. You have smokes, molotovs to slow down any push, slow orbs to slow you down, a wall that stops you, tripwires, raze nades, boombots, sova vision darts, cypher cams, all of which makes an actual 5 man execute nearly impossible to do - that you can be heard across teh map doesn't help either. Almost every pro valorant team's attack strategy is to bait out all of that utility around the entire map and simply push where they manage to take most of it out - just because executes are so hard to accomplish. There's a reason the game is so defense sided.
2020-08-16 16:05
So who told you "defense" isnt way easier than in CSGO ? It seems i dont need to say much , you say it your own. As an individual you got all the tools to do what there no way to do in CSGO. And that makes game WAY easier for you, to from slowing down , to rotate, to kill, to execute, to hear, to buy, to zone, to everything. Why dont you admit the obvious ?
2020-08-16 20:55
It's simple, I'll lay down for you Valorant: all the difficulty roles and stuff have been made easier by making them utilities that'll do the things with just press of a button. Like entry fragging is basically a breeze with Phoenix, support is a breeze with brimstone or breach( like imagine being able to conveniently flash through walls and smoke using mini map), awping made easier with Jett etc CS: have to learn and do everything on your own, no convenient button presses for ya
2020-08-20 06:42
It's simple, I'll lay down for you Valorant: all the difficult roles and stuff have been made easier by making them into utilities that'll do the things with just press of a button. Like entry fragging is basically a breeze with Phoenix, support is a breeze with brimstone or breach( like imagine being able to conveniently flash through walls and smoke using mini map), awping made easier with Jett etc CS: have to learn and do everything on your own, no convenient button presses for ya
2020-08-20 06:44
double comment mistake Ignore plss
2020-08-20 06:43
Well NA CS is pretty much dead. All the major content streamers in NA FPS pretty much moved to stream Valorant... NA Valorant is already much more competitive than NA CS where it's essentially Liquid/EG and sometimes FURIA who can compete. No new leagues popping up, no new orgs investing in NA teams. No way to attract new players because they will move to the new game always, and especially since that is also being streamed by the top content creators which means no one big enough to reach out to the vast majority is promoting CS.
2020-08-16 13:06
Well Furia isn't NA, so it's pretty much just EG and Liquid. Yeah NA cs is dead. There's probably little money in tier 3 and getting a tier 1 NA team is impossible or insanely expensive.
2020-08-17 02:24
NA was always shit in worldwide FPS games. That is why they play COD. They need their own game to feel that they are not trash. And here comes valulrant aka new home for washed up cs pros who are unable to be relevant in cs scene. New orgs are not comming to NA, bcuz NA cs sucks, most of NA players = bots. That's all.
2020-08-16 13:25
COD is pretty much the American football of video games.
2020-08-19 11:26
NA 1 major, Ukraine 0 majors
2020-08-20 03:37
#194
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Austria SplasJ
What a great comparison
2020-08-20 09:45
gunna cry?
2020-08-20 10:17
NA 580 m people. Ukraine 45 m people. NA 5 players have won the major. UA 1 player have won the major... Probability of winning a major being NA citizen 1/116m. Probability of winning a major being Ukrainian = 1/45m. And believe me... U dont want me to compare NA and EU this way.
2020-08-20 18:22
holy shit defensive andy? steamdb.info/servers/ you have way more people playing counterstrike, NA west coast cs (where I live) barely anyone plays at all. they've all moved on to other games like valorant.
2020-08-20 19:05
NA doesnt play cs because its hard for them. They prefer casual fps like COD. Of course people will not play the game they are bad at. Its a consequence not a rule.
2020-08-20 19:11
are you know this how? lol most people in NA don't even know what CS is let alone actually play it.
2020-08-20 19:15
Because they prefer easy shooters. Like why would u ever play COD competitively, when u know Activision will push another version in a year... That is how I know. NA is shit in fps. R6 was strictly NA game. Than came EU and destroyed everyone.
2020-08-20 19:28
#210
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United States Phamous3k
NA literally won the R6 Invitational this year. And EU only had 2 team in the top 8. Highest was 4th... Nice try liquipedia.net/rainbowsix/Six_Invitation..
2020-08-21 04:05
Everyone knows Invitational 2020 was a clown fiesta right before lockdown. The two top tier destroyers came from eu. G2/penta is the most dominant team in sieges history. Empire were really dominant as well. And how can u have more eu teams if only few of them can qualify through eu quals. Ubi gives more slots for other regions just to become relevant in terms of viewership. With that being said... Eu teams have already claimed the top spot.
2020-08-21 10:22
#212
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United States Phamous3k
Haha uhhhh no. SSG came into that tournament red hot. Empire fell off & G2 did horrible. NA >>> EU till the next LAN. Clown fiesta my ass lol. Why cause EU got destroyed. Lol. Stop it.
2020-08-21 16:12
U can be proud of winning an event. But i will repeat myself. In the game made for NA with retarded qualifiers for only 4 eu teams to pass by, with low viewership, EU trashed the whole scene. Call me when any NA team will be as complete as G2 are. The only reason why the ranking remains the same is because siege has only 2 tourneys in a year... PS. even fucking NaVi have won a big event in ur game. NA sucks in almost every esports - cs go , cs 1.6, r6, Dota 2, LoL. The only thing u can play is solo games and stupid games like COD.
2020-08-21 18:24
#214
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United States Phamous3k
NA >>> EU in Siege... Period. Was EU dominate in Siege for some events. YEP! Did Brazil & NA catch up and demolish them at the biggest LAN event. YEP! IS EU still the best region out... NOPE! Stop making silly excuses... EU is shit now. And there were 5 teams from Europe in the 2020 invitational. More then any other continent. SSG >>> G2... Untill proven otherwise so no need to call lol. Stop trolling cause you guys are officially shit in Siege... And NA makes everyones favorite online games... Let me turn on twitch. YEP! NA #1 Lol bringing up CoD... Why? Cause EU is shit in CoD just like in Siege hahaha
2020-08-21 18:30
NA destroyed by EU in cs go NA destroyed by EU in cs 1.6 NA destroyed by EU in dota NA destroyed by EU in LoL NA destroyed by EU in Siege. Since when winning few unimportant events in siege makes u a dominating team. SA wasnt dominant, NA was good at the start then got demolished by EU. Do not even compare that to G2 dominance. This makes u look stupid. In siege only Invitational, Pro league matters. U can see that in the rankings. Invitational: 1st invitational - shitty tourney, only 6 teams were participating, NA have won. So called primal era. 2nd inv - EU comest to siege destroyes everyone and God that comeback... 3rd inv - EU dominates. 2 EU teams in finals, btw. 4th inv - the only relevant na win. Pro league finals: 1st pro league fs - EU, 2nd - EU, 3rd - NA, 4th - EU, 5th - EU, 6th - EU, 7th - SA, 8th - EU, 9th - EU ,10th - EU. Stop living in a dream. EU owns siege. Maybe not in the current moment but still... Dont even compare Shitty COD to Siege. Only people without brain can play COD competitively knowing they will have to deal with switching to another game in a year...
2020-08-21 18:58
#216
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United States Phamous3k
Wasting time typing all that nonsense... NA >>>> EU in Siege... PERIOD. We the BEST RIGHT NOW. Bringing up dota, and csgo... who gives a shit lol In SIEGE! Its NA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> EU... Deal with it. And it's definitely USA >>>>> Ukraine haha EDITED: Ohh and CSGO dead in NA... Have fun. steamdb.info/servers/
2020-08-21 19:05
Clearly havent read my previous comment. Funny how people try to run away instantly after getting some facts . NA 1 proleague finals won. EU 8 proleague finals won. NA 1.5 invitational won. EU 2 invitational won. U showed how many braincells u have after typing USA >>> Ukraine. Ukraine being poor country with much smaller population. Still has cs go major winner, and International winners... Stay delusional. Maybe u will become smarter in future.
2020-08-21 19:11
#218
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United States Phamous3k
Dude... NA >>> EU in Siege... Also, I clearly stated "Wasting time typing all that nonsense..." Have a nice day. NA is better then Europe in Siege... You'll have to wait until the next LAN event to change that. Have a fun day in Ukraine
2020-08-21 19:16
eu - 8 pro leagues won na -1 pro league won Roflmao. Ur region have to win at least 7 more pro league finals events just to be considered a rival to EU region... U are destroyed by facts.
2020-08-21 19:34
#222
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United States Phamous3k
NA >>> EU... Past results dont = Present results. You're destroyed by logic. I already mentioned EU "USE TO BE" the best... NA took over... EU shit now. Take care
2020-08-21 19:56
Stupid logic. Its like to call astralis not the best team in the cs go history. NA was destroyed by EU for eternity. One event doesnt change that fact. Its going to be little bit more arguable only if NA takes next pro league and next Invitational. EU is the best in siege. Dont take few month out of context of previous years. Its like me calling NaVi the best team in the history based on 2 months they were top1...
2020-08-21 20:18
#224
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United States Phamous3k
OMG... You still here... NA >>>> EU in SIege... Deal with it buddy. Nothing will change.
2020-08-21 20:35
EU goat of siege. U cant deny facts.
2020-08-21 20:39
#226
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United States Phamous3k
Lol hahaha... EU <<<<< NA in Siege. Those the facts my Ukrainian brother. Have fun.
2020-08-21 20:57
na only one freaking win on pro league. EU - 8. Keep living in denial.
2020-08-21 21:22
#230
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United States Phamous3k
NA >>>>>>>> EU. Facts
2020-08-21 21:41
Ok, I know that deep inside u have accepted the truth. But its ok buddy. Time will heal. My mission here has come to an end. Farewell
2020-08-21 21:48
#232
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United States Phamous3k
Bye Ukraine. NA>>>>EU. Thank You
2020-08-21 21:58
washed up CS pros jump to valorant as fast as they can so that they can leech their way in and earn as much as they can before the real players(tier 1 CS players) realize that it's more profitable playing valorant than CS.
2020-08-20 03:22
Valve is trying for so long to kill the game, they have the chance they wanted with Valorant now. HLTV didn't even make a line about Nitro's departure to 100T. Source 2 was a lie. We should accept that the game we love is taking it's last steps. Brazilian CS will die soon with this MIBR shame, NA scene is already investing in Valorant (the problem in NA never was lack of orgs). EU will try to resist, but again, Valve want this game to die. Let's try to enjoy while is lasts.
2020-08-20 06:35
I truly cannot understand who's making the decisions at Valve. CS is a cash cow with no real competition, even EA would keep the game hacker free and well funded.
2020-09-15 08:54
Loyalty is a retarded thing to mention here. Valve would gladly throw you under the bus whenever the opportunity arises. They don't give a shit. As long as retards keep buying skins, valve will be ok.
2020-08-20 10:20
Idk why you'd insult an aspect of my post, then proceed to almost completely agree with what I'm saying.
2020-09-15 08:55
what is there to say, in this game shahzam wardle and subroza look like gods previously they would not even manage to win a match in tier 1 tournament - if they could get there i mean even the biggest bot in NA 'VICE' can play for c9 in valorant, so...
2020-08-20 10:35
"Loyalty doesn't pay the bills, especially in America" exactly, and thats all they got, loyalty. SKILLS pay the bills but they have none :(
2020-08-20 18:40
Well they're being paid extremely well in Valorant, so they're probably fine.
2020-09-15 08:54
whats with reviving a month old thread?? and tbf i never commented or cared about whether or not they are financially fine, the fact is that the statement "loyalty doesnt pay the bills" is actually stupid as fuck... why would you, as a performer, be paid for loyalty???? you get paid for your skills and performance
2020-09-15 17:45
#219
REZ | 
Mexico PS4
"Loyalty doesn't pay the bills," damn wise answer respect +1
2020-08-21 19:18
trolling or??? read above pls.
2020-09-15 17:45
#241
REZ | 
Mexico PS4
u y u revive it
2020-09-15 17:49
someone else revived it by replying to me. And then i noticed your 0 iq comment and had to know if it was bait or you're really that stupid. To think "loyalty" should pay the bills for a pro performer ROFL
2020-09-15 17:50
#245
REZ | 
Mexico PS4
idk what youre talking about this thread is so old so i dont remember the context nor the why i said it, no idea what youre doing repling to month old comments
2020-09-15 18:03
""Loyalty doesn't pay the bills," damn wise answer respect +1" you made one sentene, one simple statement, how is it hard to remember or understand?? its right there. You say wise answer, while the answer is stupid and ignorant as fuck.
2020-09-15 18:28
#247
REZ | 
Mexico PS4
it really depends on the context, and im not gonna go read a month old thread just cuz someones wants to argue about something i forgot about
2020-09-15 18:39
#248
REZ | 
Mexico PS4
and idk why its wrong, that phrase is correct, refereing to the context
2020-09-15 18:40
how is it correct that loyalty should pay the bills??? LMAOOOOOOOO its actually extremely simple, ill try to explain it so even you can understand. Pro says "loyalty doesn't pay the bills" which you agreed with and thought was a GREAT statement. Skills is supposed to pay the bills, not loyalty ffs. /Closed.
2020-09-15 19:12
#251
REZ | 
Mexico PS4
???????? "Pro says "loyalty doesn't pay the bills" which you agreed with and thought was a GREAT statement. Skills is supposed to pay the bills, not loyalty ffs." yes? thats what im saying, im saying loyalty DOESNT pay the bills????? dont know what you think im saying read again "
2020-09-15 19:18
Nothing wrong with "moving on with your life" if you aren't doing well enough in something... People get so triggered when Valorant is mentioned lol, like "awww you said something bad about my csgo i'll rant you suck"
2020-08-21 21:03
unsuccessful CSGO players
2020-08-21 21:24
NA Pros are really smart, they jump to valorant fast enough while their cs reputation is still there. All they need to do now is to gatekeep the pro scene to secure their futures.
2020-09-15 17:51
what's with the big bump here?
2020-09-15 19:14
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