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Europe im_we 
Signal I think. Snowden agrees: twitter.com/Snowden/status/7785922751443..
2020-08-27 10:52
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Telegram, cannot change my mind
2020-08-27 10:52
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#3
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Europe im_we
It's one of the worst ones out there when it comes to security actually: telegra.ph/Why-you-should-stop-reading-D..
2020-08-27 11:07
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doesnt matter , im not a doing anything illegal xD
2020-08-27 11:15
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#10
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Europe im_we
Do you want your messages to be public though? With Telegram, by default the server has access to all of your content.
2020-08-27 11:16
9 replies
Do you think Instagram, Messenger, etc doesn't ?
2020-08-29 10:55
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#65
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Europe im_we
Obviously they do. No security expert would ever recommend iMessage or Instagram. Use Signal instead.
2020-08-29 10:56
7 replies
Not true, iMessage is really secure.
2020-08-31 16:18
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#75
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Europe im_we
So how do I verify fingerprints? How do I even know what my key is, actually?
2020-08-31 16:22
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Even if you had that option, nobody would use it.
2020-09-01 07:14
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#84
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Europe im_we
Sure, very few people do. Still, I can do it in Signal. In iMessage, do I even know what my key is at all?
2020-09-01 10:27
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Whatsapp has it too, it's still really insecure.
2020-09-01 19:26
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#90
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Europe im_we
What's insecure about WhatsApp is that it leaks content to Google/Apple through its backup mechanism. Otherwise, the protocol is allegedly much better than the one in imessage.
2020-09-01 19:29
#77
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Spain 1996
flag checks out
2020-08-31 16:29
typical npc answer
2020-08-27 11:34
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#51
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Europe im_we
+1
2020-08-28 17:47
+1 telegram is amazing
2020-08-27 11:18
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#15
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Europe im_we
It's security model doesn't differ from HLTV DMs really. That's indeed amazing in 2020 when everybody else moved for end2end encryption long time ago.
2020-08-27 11:19
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telegram.org/faq telegram faq states otherwise. not saying you're wrong but it'd be nice to know where your knowledge/opinion comes from to be honest security isnt really my main priority when it comes to messengers, as i usually do not share super important information, so usability and features come first, and then, telegram is amazing.
2020-08-27 11:31
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#21
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Europe im_we
What does it state otherwise? Name me one security expert that actually recommends Telegram instead of anything else. > Telegram's security model has received notable criticism by cryptography experts. They criticized the general security model of permanently storing all contacts, messages and media together with their decryption keys on its servers by default and by not enabling end-to-end encryption for messages by default.[20][21] (...) Cryptography experts have furthermore criticized Telegram's use of a custom-designed encryption protocol that has not been proven reliable and secure.[20][23][24][25] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telegram_(software.. Their propaganda is bunch of lies, half truths and manipulation. Same with the stories Durov tells to the public to promote his software. If kids believe it, that's all that matters.
2020-08-27 11:37
+1
2020-09-01 08:14
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#96
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Europe im_we
Durov is full of shit. He tells stories to kids that he comes up with out of thin air for them to jump in and use his shitty product. He's been telling lies and spreading misinformation deliberately for years.
2020-09-01 21:09
+1
2020-09-01 21:10
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#98
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Europe im_we
-1
2020-09-02 01:28
1 reply
+2
2020-09-02 06:39
#2
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Slovakia xaboff
The one all of your friends have: therefore for me in Slovakia, FB messenger
2020-08-27 10:55
2 replies
#32
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Europe im_we
-1
2020-08-27 15:30
+1 never ever thought of using something else. I just can't even if I wanted to.
2020-09-02 06:51
whatsapp/instagram
2020-08-27 11:09
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#25
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Europe im_we
Whatsapp leaks data through unsafe backups. Dunno about instagram. It's probably not e2ee at all.
2020-08-27 14:13
9 replies
oh no, damn, now government knows i went to watch movie 5 months ago in a monday at 3PM :/
2020-08-27 14:24
8 replies
dont bother typing to that guy,mf thinks the gov is watching him or some shit
2020-08-27 14:28
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#31
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Europe im_we
Seven years after Snowden you still doubt that?
2020-08-27 14:46
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Yes cuz Snowden was just a random guy.
2020-08-28 19:22
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#58
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Europe im_we
At no point did the Western authorities have deny the authenticity of the data.
2020-08-29 10:20
4 replies
Wtf are you talking about now
2020-08-29 10:21
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#60
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Europe im_we
Have you been living under a rock? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_surveillanc..
2020-08-29 10:23
2 replies
Learn English please and read #27 and #57 again.
2020-08-29 10:35
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#62
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Europe im_we
Well, if you suggest that Snowden disclosures were about the government spying Snowden himself (wtf?), you couldn't be further from the truth.
2020-08-29 10:37
whatsapp
2020-08-27 11:32
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i only use it because every single one of my friends and family use it so if i switched to any other app it would be useless for me
2020-08-27 16:05
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#36
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Europe im_we
Then ask them to switch along with you. Unless of course you are no worth much as a contact, then I guess they will not.
2020-08-27 16:07
Threema
2020-08-27 14:30
whatsapp
2020-08-27 16:04
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#46
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Europe im_we
-1
2020-08-27 16:19
csgo pub servers. Some of them even suport voice chat 😎👌
2020-08-27 16:07
#39
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Finland zntei
discord
2020-08-27 16:08
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#102
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Europe im_we
-1
2020-09-17 15:48
whatsapp (end to end encryption)
2020-08-27 16:09
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#41
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Europe im_we
> (end to end encryption) That's always appreciated of course. But then with WhatsApp you still leak data to Google/Apple (both PRISM partners) through unsafe backup mechanism.
2020-08-27 16:11
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there is option to not backup at all or you can backup the message to your pc (android only). I don't think google is so free that they will be reading my chats :p
2020-08-27 16:13
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#44
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Europe im_we
In the real world though, such option doesn't exist. Simply because you don't only talk to yourself (unless you do?), but to other people and you don't control their devices. The leak can happen on their side as well.
2020-08-27 16:15
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true. i also like whatsapp because it is simple and easy to use too. and almost everyone uses it.
2020-08-27 17:16
habbo
2020-08-27 16:12
WeChat / QQ
2020-08-27 16:17
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#85
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Europe im_we
Nice try Winnie the Pooh.
2020-09-01 18:28
+1 snowden bestest
2020-08-27 16:25
Protonmail Wickr Snapchat
2020-08-28 19:10
Telegram for porn / crypto and movies FB messenger for business / web support Imessage for private stuff Discord for gaming / public shit
2020-08-28 19:19
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#63
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Europe im_we
iMessage security model is so much 2008. Apple has full control of all of the keys.
2020-08-29 10:38
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ye but i still trust them more than whatsapp. For me Imessage > Telegram > Whatsapp.
2020-08-29 19:05
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#72
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Europe im_we
And that's based on what exactly? iMessage on top of having control over all the keys, not giving you the ability to verify fingerprints also uses very short key lengths, some of which are probably breakable by now: reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8raoq3/.. Telegram has the worst security model of all the popular instant messengers. It's literally the same as sending a private message over here on HLTV. By default, the server has access to all of your content. WhatsApp is e2e encrypted, though it leaks content through unsafe backups to Apple/Google. It also shares metadata with Facebook. Those are pretty bad choices, really.
2020-08-29 22:14
#66
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Serbia K4bby
I use pigeons
2020-08-29 10:58
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#68
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Serbia K4bby
And owls when sending at night.
2020-08-29 10:59
#67
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United States flipfone
Best is face to face talking
2020-08-29 10:59
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#73
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Europe im_we
+1
2020-08-31 16:13
carrier pigeon.
2020-08-29 11:07
#71
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Peru TheJuan
hltv pm
2020-08-29 19:06
1 reply
#104
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Europe im_we
Good call.
2020-11-24 02:35
#76
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Belgium lil_vodka
pornhub
2020-08-31 16:26
#78
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Spain 1996
i just hop into a cod 2 server and write on the walls with bullets beat that you safetard
2020-08-31 16:31
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#79
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Europe im_we
I lol'd.
2020-08-31 20:59
#92
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Brazil sakaaa
safetard made me giggle a little, never knew this term
2020-09-01 19:33
mIRC
2020-09-01 07:16
Icq
2020-09-01 08:16
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#86
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Brazil sakaaa
i was there. 6 digits masterrace
2020-09-01 18:30
#87
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Brazil sakaaa
I honestly don't get this trust issue with IMing security. The most effective way of hacking or stealing information has always been social engineering and no tech can avoid this. As long as you're not doing anything illegal there isn't much that hackers could steal from you that would create a real problem. Bank accounts, credit cards and other sensible information are all protected under the contract with such service provider - if someone managed to hack into my account/credit cards I would get it all back from them aside from a few days of trouble for everything be reissued. Almost the same as losing your wallet. If this is about privacy, there are tons of other ways to get your info rather than IMing softwares. Do not send open passwords and tokens and you should be fine. Does anyone has a different reason as to why we should be worried about this, as regular users?
2020-09-01 18:37
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#88
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Europe im_we
> Does anyone has a different reason as to why we should be worried about this, as regular users? You wouldn't share your *whatever instant messaging software you use* message history with us here publicly, would you? My point exactly.
2020-09-01 18:58
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#91
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Brazil sakaaa
No, I wouldn't but this is a 1 for N scenario while stealing information is N for 1 - hackers hardly target a single persona and if they do, they won't get stuck on your intimacy rather than any information that can make their trouble worhwhile. Aka, person of interest, aka, non regular user. I'm sorry, but I find your point a bit extremist. The reason I wouldn't be willing to deliver this information (my IMing history) is not because I have something to hide, but things I don't want to scream for the world 'hey, come look at my IM history'. It also contains things I would be judged on and would have to explain for randoms - things that do not need to become public and this poses a difference - you can get most of this information by asking. I don't want people to see how I talk to my wife, or my customers, my boss. But on the unlikely event that this history is leaked, I wouldn't be harmed in anyway, aside from the fact that some would find me stupid, others cute, others smart, others wouldn't care. I understand your right to privacy, but I still do not get the extreme concern about IMing softwares. You have a personal email, do you think your information is safe there?
2020-09-01 19:35
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#93
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Europe im_we
No, it's not extremist. Data leaks happen all the time. Security experts say that every single one of the 500 companies has been hacked by now: businessinsider.com/security-mikko-hyppo.. MySpace and Linkedin old databases are basically public knowledge now. If it's not encrypted with a key that only you an access to, it means it can be hacked and it can leak. I don't know what's with your obsession with hackers here. Governments hack, force or otherwise convince the companies to cooperate as well. NSA & GCHQ hacked Yahoo and Google, as we know from the Snowden disclosures. Microsoft cooperation has been alleged for ages now, and they did in fact turn to be the first to jump on board with the PRISM program, as it turned out. Look, there is something that they fill that Utah data center with, don't you think? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center > It also contains things I would be judged on and would have to explain for randoms - things that do not need to become public and this poses a difference (...) I don't want people to see how I talk to my wife, or my customers, my boss. (...) You are essentially saying that you wanna hide these things here. Then why one sentence before that you claim you don't? Sounds like come kind of mental illness to me. > You have a personal email, do you think your information is safe there? No, of course not. E-mail is not safe by design and very little can be done to change this.
2020-09-01 19:46
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#94
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Brazil sakaaa
No need to be a dick mate, it's a simple discussion. Unwillingness to make personal conversations public just for the sake of being public is not the same as deliberatelty preventing people from finding out sensible information and the content of it - as I said, most of it can be asked. On my example, the problem isn't the information leaked, but my patience to deal with what would follow. Why would I create conversation out of the blue with my IMing history? And in what way would this information be useful to pretty much anyone or corporation rather than ads? Those are legit questions. All of what you said is true, but why is this a problem for regular users like I mentioned on my first comment? You have deliberately put your information on MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin, which are are all private owned and then gets worried if your information is leaked? I ask, what harm can this do? Then again, my point was about IMing softwares.
2020-09-01 20:15
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#95
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Europe im_we
> Why would I create conversation out of the blue with my IMing history? And in what way would this information be useful to pretty much anyone or corporation rather than ads? I don't know, nor do I care. The point I tried to make was, that you do though (care in fact). You want your private stuff to remind private. And that's pretty much the standard, and the norm. > You have deliberately put your information on MySpace, Facebook, Linkedin, which are are all private owned and then gets worried if your information is leaked? It's the same with any other software that doesn't have good security and has access to your stuff. If you put content on myspace, myspace has it. If you send it through a not secure instant messenger such as Telegram, then they have it too, just like myspace would.
2020-09-01 21:04
i use tumblr
2020-09-02 01:41
I use Signal as well it's most secure currently alongside ChatSecure I also use Redphone
2020-09-17 15:54
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