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Allu on coach bans
perk  | 
Finland eIe 
2020-09-01 13:29
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Not right about #freejamppi But right in the sense that all those cunts should get lifetime bans :)
2020-09-01 13:30
+1
2020-09-01 13:37
If that is what you think, BIG players (Tabsen, Tizian, Gob b) should get lifetime bans for abusing the old jump bug. youtube.com/watch?v=WKNlvON069k
2020-09-01 13:52
Cheating is getting an unfair advantage. I would apply the same punishment to all. Ever single time I say these coaches should be banned one you comes with a clip and says: "well what about these guys HHUHHHH????" Principles, try getting some and you won't have to ask these dumb questions.
2020-09-01 13:57
But that's not what I said? I simply said that if we go off your flawed logic, BIG would be banned and so would fnatic, LDLC players (shox, nbk etc...) I never said anything about not giving bans, but lifetime bans for something so dumb is retarded. Jampii should have been given a 3 year ban after "his" vac. Coach bans IMO were a good amount of time. Imagine thinking giving all levels of cheating the same punishment is a good way to run things. (quick note to you, I wasn't asking you a question, I'm simply using your own logic to pick a team that has recently done well and dig up something that should have been banned for)
2020-09-01 14:04
#64
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Europe Tomgra
Man, lifetime ban for cheating is the best punishment, it might discourage you from cheating as you'll think about your future.
2020-09-01 14:18
I mean, in csgo a 3-5 year ban is already enough. A lifetime ban for a game no matter what "cheat" you used whether it was a bug, or actual hacks is dumb.
2020-09-01 14:20
#73
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Finland OldStager
Imagine S1mple being banned for a lifetime because he cheated in CS
2020-09-01 15:05
They stopped after the groupstage,not because it was patched but because everyone agreed on it,for all they knew the other teams were abusing it too
2020-09-01 14:03
Feel free to link me some evidence of other teams using it during this event.
2020-09-01 14:04
Then ban olof too,or are you just biased and mad about BIG demolishing faze?
2020-09-01 14:06
What are you even talking about? Read my original comment, I mention that all fnatic and ldlc should also be banned because they both also cheated. Of course it's you who resorts to insulting when you have no arguments. Name checks out.
2020-09-01 14:17
#66
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Europe Tomgra
Bro, he used good, logical argument while you are getting desperate and using some shit arguments.
2020-09-01 14:20
#72
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Finland OldStager
Imagine S1mple being banned for a lifetime because he cheated in CS
2020-09-01 15:05
Would be funny because half the people saying jampii should stay vacced are all s1mple fans.
2020-09-01 15:06
Ofc they should be punished, but exploiting bugs is not the same as installing cheat software. Otherwise a lot of pro players would have to be perma banned as well, for all glitches and bugs that were used in the past.
2020-09-01 14:00
Cheating is getting an unfair advantage. Agree? It doesn't matter if you need software or a bug.
2020-09-01 14:00
Cheating is installing third party software to hack the game in a completely hidden way. Exploiting bugs is different. Everybody can see one doing it, and even the game developer is partly to blame. They both give unfair advantage, but are in no way the same thing.
2020-09-01 14:13
#49
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2020-09-01 14:01
+1
2020-09-01 14:05
#5
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Denmark dyinbyran
Why would he talk about it when he knows its valve and the other one is esl ?
2020-09-01 13:30
These coaches got banned for expoiting stuff that was already in the game. Jampii got fucking vacced. obviously jampii has a bigger punishment
2020-09-01 13:31
and these punishements were issued by different parties. Valve decided on jamppi Dreamhack and ESL decided on the coaches
2020-09-01 13:58
#46
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Road to Rio is Valve event right? I'm curious on Valve's take on this matter
2020-09-01 14:00
no its not a valve event, only the major is
2020-09-01 14:21
#68
perk  | 
Finland eIe
But RMR tournaments are major qualifiers? Sure Valve would have something to do with these tournaments
2020-09-01 14:33
they dont do anything regarding these tournaments, they give the job to others :)
2020-09-01 14:34
#71
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Finland Khroni
they dont care about the events they apparently didnt even respond on what action they wanted to take on the rtr games they used exploits
2020-09-01 15:03
valve helped make decisions in the ban length
2020-09-01 14:05
ele millo salille
2020-09-01 13:31
#9
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Huome
2020-09-01 13:33
reported
2020-09-02 10:10
#81
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Ty for bump
2020-09-02 10:11
#8
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Hungary Rollie
One is an ESL ban, another one is Valve's ban. As far as I'm aware Jamppi is free to play in ESL organized tournaments so this doesn't really make much sense by Allu
2020-09-01 13:32
#12
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Germany I_car
He was 14, not deserved
2020-09-01 13:33
#13
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Denmark dyinbyran
IDC about the age but i believe that jampii didnt cheat
2020-09-01 13:34
i also believe that, otherwise i wouldn't think that he would sue valve
2020-09-01 13:38
#25
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Germany DEBlL
once cheater, always cheater deserved
2020-09-01 13:44
#27
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Germany I_car
Not true
2020-09-01 13:45
#53
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Hungary Rollie
Jesus dude, that's not what I'm talking about. I only expressed my opinion on the tweet that it makes no sense. I don't think it's deserved, hell I do believe that he wasn't even the one to play on that account and it's a sad thing that valve won't let him play. But the coaches were banned by ESL not Valve and that's a huge difference between the bans, that's what I was writing about.
2020-09-01 14:04
#57
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Germany I_car
Yeah, I just meant that valve rules are kind of stupid
2020-09-01 14:06
#58
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Hungary Rollie
With that, I 100% agree in this case but I get why they don't want to remove it either
2020-09-01 14:07
I guess valve feels like this is a bug, its their fault its there. The other thing is intentially downloading a third party plugin to cheat, breaking their game.
2020-09-01 13:33
#11
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Europe im_we
My thoughts are that those people haven't done anything wrong. Glitches are part of the game, just like boosts and wallbangs are.
2020-09-01 13:33
#14
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I belive its still against the rules. For example olofboost was a bug but it was illegal because the rules didnt allow pixelwalk
2020-09-01 13:35
#17
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Europe im_we
Those rules if exist are probably very vague and arbitrary. They are also fun killers. People discover new spams in 1.6 to this day. Nobody with a sane mind would ever consider banning them for doing it.
2020-09-01 13:37
#26
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Idk I dont think making OP and gamebreaking boosts illegal or banning coaches who use a glitch to literally know what setups you use on a site or which site you are attacking are really fun killers
2020-09-01 13:45
#29
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Europe im_we
Well sure, maybe that's a bummer. However, it's not the players fault that Valve made their product this way. You don't like it? Make a better product.
2020-09-01 13:46
#19
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Germany I_car
They should get disqualified from tournament in which the bug was used and that's it
2020-09-01 13:37
#22
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Europe im_we
They've done nothing wrong. If Valve didn't like their game, they should have coded it differently. This isn't the players fault.
2020-09-01 13:40
2 completely different things lmao...
2020-09-01 13:42
use a bug in pro official matches to make ur team win important matches and use a cheat 14yo to have fun in mm one match. u're right
2020-09-01 13:46
the thing is that one ban is from valve and the second one is from esl. its not that hard to understand such a simple thing...
2020-09-01 13:47
ik and understand that, but u can see the difference between companys how to handle these things.
2020-09-01 13:49
yea thats ofc true...
2020-09-01 13:49
#35
perk  | 
Finland eIe
But didnt zoneR and dead cheat in major quali so basically Valve event? Also HUNDEN cheated in DreamHack tournament so not ESL? What events are they banned from participating?
2020-09-01 13:51
i dont think that valve can ban your for their own mistake...oh well they can ofc but i dont think that they would. and the investigation isnt over yet. another TOs do their own investigation and im pretty sure that there will be more informations about it really soon(i even expect some bans being longer but we will see)
2020-09-01 13:54
allu stupid
2020-09-01 13:44
He is right. Cheating before going pro should not prevent you from playing majors.
2020-09-01 13:46
He is absolutely right, this is absurd. People who did that in a PROFESSIONAL match get less punished than a 14yo kid cheating in mm
2020-09-01 13:48
imagine getting lifetime ban for ruining 3 peoples game (cuz enemy ofc has the usual 2 hackers as well) and getting 1 yo ban for probably ruining thousands of bets and getting urself in big games
2020-09-01 13:51
yea, and it's not about bets, it about cheating on a fucking pro level, i can't even explain my thought in english, this is fucking disgusting, it shows these people have no honour, no respect for the game, for the opponent, for the viewers, they deserve to be fucking banned forever, all of them. I would understand if they used it once, ocasionally, but doing it for 11 rounds, fucking degenrate hunden, and I hate arrogant fucks cadian and stavn even more now, and im not even talking about the russian coach
2020-09-01 13:56
freejamppi of course
2020-09-01 13:51
#38
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Germany DEBlL
deserved ban for jamppi, if they unban him then they have to unban every cheater
2020-09-01 13:52
#45
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Or they could make VAC bans temporary, lets say 5 years? Other sports dont have permanent bans for cheating either. Im neutral in this Jamppi case, just speculating
2020-09-01 14:01
#59
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Germany I_car
It's not the same cheating as a kid in matchmaking and cheating as an adult in an official tournament
2020-09-01 14:08
#3sj my brother, my slime!
2020-09-01 13:57
#70
Dosia | 
Russia Rapu
and Olof should get a lifetime ban for his boost on Overpass :) Btw, I don't understand why this fool compares a real cheater who used third-party programs to get an advantage and people who used the game's bugs.
2020-09-01 14:59
#78
perk  | 
Finland eIe
His point was that these guys cheated at pro level and Jamppi cheated when he was 14
2020-09-01 15:51
i would say cry is free
2020-09-01 15:08
#76
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Finland OldStager
Allu is for once right!
2020-09-01 15:26
He is right though.
2020-09-01 15:27
These fucking retards can now have financially viable benefits possibly worth of thousands because of this and they can end up playing in majors with stolen RMR points, instead of teams that could have make it there with those couple of extra points that were stolen from them. For example Heroics ALL RMR-point are from this event. So, stealing money and breaking other teams dream of playing at the majors = practically free. Rekting noobs in MM = priceless (and you still say that Valve doesn´t care about Joe the Everydayplayers :D).
2020-09-01 16:25
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