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This woman was arrested and had all electronic devices seized because she wanted to organise a protest in an Australian state which allowed a BLM protest (with 0 people arrested) with an estimated 30,000+ people only a couple of months ago.
People living where she does are only allowed to leave their home for 1 hour a day for exercise and only one person can go shopping within a 5km radius of their home.
The town she lives in has only 3 current cases of coronavirus, Victoria has gone full authoritarian mode.
I hope you are able to maintain your liberty wherever you're reading this from men.
youtu.be/pym4q9tladg
She apologised
abc.net.au/news/2020-09-03/coronavirus-l..
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That is considered not nice, but I understand your point
Why free speech is so important
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lol
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both
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amen
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but who hunts the bigot hunter?
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the pregnant woman that was arrested for making a facebook post
He's a self-loathing bigot who hunts his own kind.
It’s not about the free speech it’s about locking people up because of tHe pAnDeMiC.
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A couple of months ago
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
don't take the mark of the beast guys, end times are here
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yall still have corona restrictions? bruh
How many people actually stood up to her ?
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Australians typically obey and take it up the ass.
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Seems Aussie's are going after the wrong Political figures..
Thanks furcock
Big fucking meme someone from Ballarat is a right tard, Thought they were all Labor voters xD
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Government shouldn't be able to shut down lockdown unless it endangers lives. Its up to opinion whether you think potentially facilitating the spreading of a disease counts as that.
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The lockdowns are certainly a matter of opinion but they're unfortunately not open for debate as opinions opposing them are frequently censored.
But regardless, the Victorian government allowed a protest while under lockdown because it was aligned with their political views, now they won't allow this one which opposes them. That is seriously concerning.
Also concerning is that upon deciding to ban the protest, rather than just having her retract the post and cancel it they went into her home and forcefully arrested her in front of her children, seizing all electronic devices in her home including her husbands phone.
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I dont really know how Australians state government system works but surely its a matter of voting them out?
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Well not like you can protest them lmao. Sounds unlucko to me
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Yeah pretty much, this is authoritarianism. It's difficult for people to even express their disapproval on social media without being censored and they certainly can't leave their homes to do it irl.
That's why I thought it's important enough to share as a warning to others, make of it what you will.
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"It's difficult for people to even express their disapproval on social media without being censored"
The media has been constantly trying to undermine Dan Andrews, Liberal politicians frequently comment on the matter, people frequently discuss their disgust on the matter on social media. But yeah "authoritarianism"
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*Also just by the way, to my knowledge Vic. is the only state that has to renew it's state of emergency.
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Ok, and? Why don’t you protest about NSW ‘draconian’ laws?
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But I thought this was about authoritarianism? Wouldn’t you say that’s pretty authoritarian? Doesn’t sound very democratic to me.
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But I thought this was about authoritarianism? Shouldn’t you criticise all authoritarianism?
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As I said, you've highlighted a separate issue. Have you noticed I'm not talking about North Korea either?
The laws in NSW aren't currently causing people to be dragged from their homes and face criminal charges for the exact same actions that were permitted by a different group a short time ago.
If this were happening in NSW, the thread would be about NSW.
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Yes mate, but if you’re against authoritarianism why weren’t you arguing that when the state of emergency was declared? Seems slightly hypocritical
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You were? You were arguing that the NSW Gov. needs to change the state of emergency so that they must renew it?
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So you were opposed to lockdown? So what is the problem with BLM?
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The problem with BLM is that it went against the imposed lockdown.
If I have to stay at home and lose my job because of the lockdowns imposed on me, why are the government allowing 30,000+ people to gather in the streets?
Me being against the lockdown doesn't mean I support people breaking it.
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Fair enough mate, but seems very hypocritical
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Remember when NSW outlawed the protests, then the protestors protested anyway? You weren’t going to stop them, it was the situation at hand, and we have to roll with it. Luckily to our knowledge no cases came from the protest. But we need to stop protests right now as we might not get that lucky next time.
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NSW tried to shut the protest down. It was all over the news, within 10 minutes all the organisers were arrested.
I don't think you'll see any anti-lockdown protests there because people know what to expect if they try.
Hence the issue with Victoria allowing BLM and now placing criminal charges on others.
It's ridiculous, yet you try to call me a hypocrite.
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The protests in NSW went down anyway. Then they started a second protest in NSW.
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Good. But did it stop people from going? No. That’s the important part, we need to stop people from going in the first place.
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No? The outlawed the first protest and they tried (and succeeded?) to organise a second one.
ok
OBEY YOUR GOVERNMENT
STAY HOME, SAVE LIVES*
*:except for left-wing protests
cry is free,looks like if u are in a leftist protest u aren't getting coronga
lol 1 phone gone and you cry but dutton trying to steal hundreds from asylum seekers who receive much worse treatment and silence
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+1 fucking LIB CUCKS
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+1 brother
+1 my vic brother
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no shit neither shouldve gone down during lockdown, but it doesnt matter what Dan Andrews does the media and the right in this country will criticise him for being too auth. and the next second say he's too lax.
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I'm not aware of anybody ever saying he's too lax. The hotel quarantine debacle was incompetent mismanagement, not a result of being too relaxed. The same goes for the poor contact tracing efforts.
I also highly doubt you would find a single right wing commentator who would've criticised him for being authoritarian had he prevented the BLM protests.
The hypocrisy is immense in not only stopping this one after allowing BLM but, even worse, actually serving a warrant to arrest this lady and cuffing her in front of her kids. All when there wasn't a single arrest for BLM.
Dan Andrews isn't a victim of right wing media, he's a victim of either his own incompetence or malice.
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Do you seriously believe that it was Andrews' fault for the hotel quarantine fiasco? You're out of it mate.
Private security at the request of Scott Morrison was used to guard the hotels, and due to private incompetence a breakout occurred. You cannot argue that the breakouts were Dan Andrews' fault.
Also how did you want him to stop a 30k+ protest? If 215k+ actually organised don't you think that'd be a bit much too control? Is it not good to get on top of this bullshit?
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I'm not out of it, there is an ongoing inquiry into it which will determine the fault, until then he is the premier so he is absolutely responsible for everything that happens in his state at a government level.
No, I don't think it sends a good message to people to allow one protest but not another, I don't think there's anything good about that at all.
They could've done exactly the same thing they did here to the BLM protest, served a warrant on the organisers and charged them with incitement, but they didn't. They only did that for the protest that goes against them, not the one in alignment with their ideology.
That should be seriously concerning for everyone, even if you agree with their general policy positions, that is exactly what authoritarian governments do.
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You seem to not understand. Private security is private. It’s not owned by the state.
Regarding the BLM protests, luckily they caused no spike in cases to our knowledge, which is good, but don’t you think it’d be best to stop another just in case an outbreak occurs? Yes he didn’t charge the BLM organisers, and that was the wrong thing to do. As long as we stop protests in general right now, don’t you think that’s a good thing, considering you wanted the BLM protests to also be stopped?
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I understand, but I also understand that it was implemented by the government on a state level and these issues didn't happen in other states.
I think it's corrupt to allow one protest but ban another.
I do think it's better that this is stopped, but I don't agree with the method at all. They're creating a criminal out of a good person who just wants her job and life back.
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Agreed, it’s terrible that this situation occurred, but cases have been going down thanks to people following restrictions and by say with what all 200k+ (based off anti-lockdown Facebook group) dont you think that could pose a huge risk, and would mean if cases did spike thanks to protests then we would be in an even longer lockdown?
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No, there is no "but" here.
They allowed BLM to protest.
Now they have arrested and are charging this woman with a criminal offense for doing the exact same thing. That is corrupt, it's not decent at all.
It's also absolutely possible to shut down a genuinely peaceful protest, before it even starts, without making a criminal out of anyone and without cuffing them in their own home in front of their children.
This is disgusting.
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I really like this argument.
BLM Protest = bad
Lockdown protest - good
Either they’re both bad or both good. In my mind they’re both bad due to the circumstances.
Also what’s the problem with arresting someone in front of their children? She admitted she was in the wrong, so what’s the issue here?
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That would be a nice strawman, but where have I said that?
What in anything I wrote there suggests that the anti-lockdown protest is good?
Or even that the BLM protest was bad?
The government allowed one but not the other, they're the ones saying one is good and the other is bad, not me, so based on this comment you should absolutely oppose them in that.
The issue with arresting someone in front of their children is that it's traumatising for the children, especially at the young age of the child in the video. That is something that has a chance of seriously affecting his development and should've been avoided.
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No shit it’s bad, but she broke the rules which she admitted to be in the wrong. So what’s your issue?
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BLM bloke the same rules, and I agree.
She wasn’t unnecessarily arrested, she admitted she was in the wrong, I thought you stood up for the rules? She created that situation for her children.
If you’re so concerned with authoritarianism and phones being taken away, why aren’t you making a fuss over Dutton wanting to take away phones from asylum seekers or live in conditions much worse than Stage 4 restrictions?
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Well that's the issue I'm highlighting, it's not okay.
The government set the precedent for people to protest when they allowed BLM.
She was unnecessarily arrested. They absolutely could've told her to take the post down and asked her to come into the station. I have zero doubt she would've complied.
Instead they went to her house, handcuffed her and took her away in front of her children. That is not just.
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Why was she unnecessarily arrested? The rules are outlined, and we want to keep as much distance away from each other as possible so we can open back up sooner rather than later.
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Seems slightly presumptuous.
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I never said she wouldn’t, just saying that presumptuous.
However, the rules have been constantly laid out, she created the situation.
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The police created that situation in that kids home, not her, because they didn't have to do that at all and it achieved absolutely nothing that couldn't have been done better via alternate methods.
They chose to do that when there were other options and it's impacted a completely innocent party.
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An innocent party? They incited people to break restrictions so police came to her house and arrested her.
They shouldn’t have confiscated both their phones but she definitely created that situation for herself. Abide by the rules for now, and when we lighten restrictions go ham, i don’t give a shit, but she purposely tried to incite people to break restrictions and that is defendable.
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The innocent party is her child.
They shouldn't have arrested her full-stop. They should have demanded her front up to a police station after removing the event from Facebook.
When they allowed the BLM protests they set a precedent for others to follow, it shouldn't be surprising that people saw that and decided 'hey, if they can do it...'
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They allowed the protests because nothing was going to stop them, it was too late. It’s better to crack down on people quickly, and show people that there are consequences.
There should’ve been consequences for BLM organisers, no doubt.
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"It’s better to crack down on people quickly, and show people that there are consequences."
Which is exactly the issue, they didn't and they have created this situation where people think it's okay to protest. The result is people organising protests.
Arresting them and imposing criminal charges is not the way to proceed when it's the government who's caused all of this in the first place.
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So the government shouldn’t act? The government should learn from its mistakes.
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Strawman again, I never said that.
I even offered a reasonable alternative that absolutely would've resolved the situation.
They could then even proceed with a public statement admitting they were wrong with BLM and making it clear that any further infringements will attract penalties.
They caused this and they're making a criminal out of people for it.
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It’s not a straw man if that’s what you’re saying. No shit they created the situation but they should learn from their mistakes and act accordingly.
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“they didn't and they have created this situation where people think it's okay to protest. The result is people organising protests. Arresting them and imposing criminal charges is not the way to proceed when it's the government who's caused all of this in the first place.”
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You're struggling with your comprehension here, but to be clear, taking exception to specific actions is not saying that they shouldn't act.
As I said, I even offered a suggestion for viable alternative actions and I'm sure there are many other reasonable alternatives that don't involve criminal charges and/or the arrest of a parent in front of their children.
+1 again lol
whatever he does the media will criticise him
>Avi Yemini video
delete this thread
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Absolutely. Ballarat is in stage 3 lockdown, exactly the same as when the BLM protests took place. She also made a point in her post that social distancing must be observed and masks worn, just as the police commissioner claims BLM did. Everything is the same, except for the reason for the protest.
Personally, I also don't think arresting someone is an appropriate response to them arranging a peaceful protest. They could have easily stopped this without the need for a heavy handed approach.
Im so tired about this people protesting about animal rights whether they're cows or monkeys
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lol
World leaders has surely embraced corona virus wholeheartedly. It gives them all sort of opportunities to change the world completely.
"Never let a good crisis go to waste.", words spoken from various highranked politicians. Churchill was the first we know of.
And if a crisis is useful, next step would be to engineer the crisis yourself. Politicians are already spewing so many lies, that they forgot what remorse is. Lies and twisted truths are highly potent weapons,
COVID-19 is no more dangerous in itself than the flu. It's only more contagious. Several studies have come to this conclusion. A conclusion yet to surface in the medias. Why is the reality of this virus so twisted by the medias and politicians. That's a question you should ask yourself.
The financial crisis will be way more expensive in human lives than Corona, I have zero doubt in this. Their actions has no logic to it when you know what they are actually fighting.
she was about to break the law, and if people attended that we would have weeks more lockdown due to cases linked to that
the blm protest went ahead during stage 2 or 3 lockdowns in melbourne and was before the second wave
also shes just 1 person lol, deal with it, it was just poor circumstances
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there were a different amount of cases and the blm protest was before the second wave and happened months ago
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700 cases a day per 7m people is not 2nd wave
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it is compared to curve when restrictions were just lifted last time
it is a second wave, thats why we have stage 4 restrictions and why she was arrested
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oh please dont tell me stage 4 restrictions are a good thing
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what are you saying
i never said it is
you said it isnt a second wave, i said why it is and how we have stage 4 restrictions
go take your pills lmao
Am I correct in paraphrasing you as: it's okay for thousands of people to protest but not okay for a person to post something on fb? That protest sent out a bad message and example for people who now demand lockdown to be lifted. Who knows, this lady may have done this after seeing those protesters get off scot free.
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the thousands of people who protested did so when there was 160 cases, she and others were planning to do it when there is 19 thousand cases and would have broken the law
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5 current cases in Ballarat, same level of lockdown as when the BLM protests took place.
This protest almost certainly posed significantly lower risk than the BLM protests.
There's no excuse for allowing the BLM protests, that position is untenable now.
Also, arresting her instead of just removing the post is ridiculous, they're creating criminals out of good people for nothing.
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160 cases in the state during the blm protests 1,800 cases now
even if it was the same restrictions there is a BIG gap in cases if youre able to read
she was going to break the law and potentially extend lockdown for a few weeks if it went ahead
I love the people complain about lock down yet actively do shit to make it continue...
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yep
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They should just be removed from society so this shit can end sooner lol.
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maybe a bit far but its really not that fucking hard to stay in your house and listen to police lmao
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I just stay at home because well its what I would usually do before corona deal anyway but yea it really isn't hard.
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I've only seen looting and riots that come out of organized protestors
So? Don't see anything wrong with this. China did this a lot and it worked...
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>makes one deal with chinese company
you realize the libfuck party selling the country off to the highest chinese bidders yea?
Tbh this type of shit happens In most western countries as well such as the UK. Not saying It's right what she's doing but the goverment/police like to silent people when they're not going to be called 'racist'. Political correctness has gone too far.
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Is actually more common in Germanic countries, most hate speech laws and anti-freedom laws in latin Europe go largely unenforced, and its not because of corruption, is because of common sense.
But in Germany, Switzerland and all Commonwealth of Nation states, it is atrociously common to shut dissentive speech down, and im not talking about violent demonstration like setting things on fire or break state building's windows, i mean a peaceful gathering of protesting individuals...
I really don't know where you're all going with this.
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