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Old krieg back for 3500?
Belgium maxydooda 
What do you think about it? I like the idea of having more than 1 option on a full buy.
2020-09-20 12:07
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Russia SW@G
yeah, now its usefulness is pretty low
2020-09-20 12:10
Europe Pflatzi
yeah if u can can propperly aim with scope ut can be uselfull, but the low firerate triggers every time i have 2 do it. Still prefer it over ak in full buy
2020-09-20 13:35
its still the strongest weapon against headshot angles.. other than that.. there's really no use for it, which makes it a 3000 buck decoy on the server.
2020-09-20 13:41
Europe Pflatzi
yea true
2020-09-20 21:29
Could be interesting
2020-09-20 12:12
Czech Republic Poloolpp
just bring back the old accuracy, keep the price and it will be fine
2020-09-20 12:13
Denmark Notallama
The old accuracy was broken, but at least make it a bit more accurate than now or lower the price slightly. Would be nice if Valve knew how to go for a middle ground instead of having it ridiculously OP or completely useless.
2020-09-20 12:15
Albania HLTV_God
The only reason it's useless is because you don't want to gift one to the ct's it's still op
2020-09-20 13:11
Denmark Notallama
Admitted it isn't entirely useless, but considering how the spray pattern is completely butched it's only useful for it's first shot accuracy, so tapping is the only viable way to use it. So it's only useful on long and intermediate range, which makes it completely unviable and very situational, and even then you'd have to consider whether it's worth risking gifting it to the CTs for the same situational map position.
2020-09-20 14:07
Albania HLTV_God
its a scoped rifle, your ment to scope with it. Spray works great when scoped
2020-09-20 14:44
Denmark Notallama
No shit. No.
2020-09-20 17:07
Albania HLTV_God
Last No? It's the same spray as before the nerf,?
2020-09-21 09:29
Estonia Jesseract
Not exactly no. ROF of scoped and unscoped have been lowered
2020-09-21 13:18
Faroe Islands staxus
would be good, but valve prefers destroying guns instead of making them viable
2020-09-20 12:13
+1 it’s a real shame
2020-09-20 12:14
no it isnt. sg was an abomination. the game doesnt need a load of guns to be viable, the shit guns are just noob traps if anything, and u fell right in
2020-09-20 13:38
its not noob trap, it was better gun than ak anyway, imo ak users were the noobs, they couldnt adapt to better gun cuz 'muh AK'' wihch they played for 10 years, dont even have to scope in, SG was still better without scope
2020-09-21 09:41
United Kingdom novaseer
Exactly. It was basically the gun equivalent of co-ordinated teamplay. Teams that were co-ordinated (like Astralis) won everything whilst teams that tried to keep the old system of individual-based play (like FaZe) floundered - just like teams that used Krieg whilst it was strong had an advantage over teams that didn't.
2020-09-21 13:42
it is a noob trap since the sg is shit now, sg was a joke and its good that its gone. I'm saying it doesn't need to be relevant
2020-09-21 16:03
Why do we need unrelevant guns in CSGO, might aswell remove it since its useless now
2020-09-21 18:00
Lol. I played with Krieg and Aug for years and then pros got a brain sent to them collectively and now both are shit.
2020-09-21 13:11
them being shit is fine is wht i meant.
2020-09-21 16:02
But the problem is that even the pros cant tell which guns are noob traps. Luckily you can still peek awps with krieg almost as well as before.
2020-09-21 16:07
why is that a good thing?
2020-09-21 16:31
2020-09-20 12:15
They didn't touch it until you started using it
2020-09-20 12:20
United Kingdom novaseer
I was using it for a long time beforehand, back when everybody thought it was shit. Still only got to MG1 though so maybe it was just me that was shit.
2020-09-21 13:43
lol pls dont blame valve here lmao. everyone wanted that shit destroyed, now u come her blaming valve
2020-09-20 12:25
Faroe Islands staxus
let's make it completely unplayable instead of adjusting it's price to it's power, very smart. also cool how they destroyed tec-9, for example. for 2 years no one used it because they nerfed it's accuracy below deagle level. in my opinion people who's making this game have no gamesense whatsoever. completely idiotic balancing.
2020-09-20 12:33
WTF are u talking about? Tec9 is a viable pistol now
2020-09-21 09:50
Faroe Islands staxus
it wasn't for 2 years, learn to fucking read
2020-09-21 10:19
nah valve is shit and deserve the blame, its not first time they cant adjust shit normally but over the top. Also they react like snail
2020-09-21 09:42
they should’ve done lots of updates to make it equally as good as an AK, they nerfed it into the ground and it shouldn’t have happened, i don’t think a price change is correct because it will still dominate the other guns, imo the scoped fire rate should’ve been nerfed (like valorant, they didn’t do much right but the rifles are very balanced) and go from there and see if it’s still too OP
2020-09-20 12:13
thats how it worked in 1.6
2020-09-20 12:20
1.6 best
2020-09-20 12:21
Belgium maxydooda
I know the krieg clearly dominated. But buying it for 800 more than the AK is basically missing out on a full utility set and I think this balances it out
2020-09-20 12:22
The krieg is broken for ts but its also at risk falling into cts hands... I really liked the meta, i was so much better with the krieg than with ak, for some reason i almost never scoped but had almost perfect spray control while my ak spray still kinda blows....i just liked the fact that if i missed i missed and it couldve never been the guns inaccuracy The krieg was too cheap and made the ak unviable but on the other hand it was kinda balanced due to the fact that cts could just pick it up and run havoc with it
2020-09-20 12:27
".i just liked the fact that if i missed i missed and it couldve never been the guns inaccuracy" i fully agree with this
2020-09-20 13:46
I didnt complain at all, nowadays i am mad about everything for some reason
2020-09-20 14:51
Me too. AK first bullet accuracy is just dogshit.
2020-09-21 12:33
You see, the issue wasn't that it was better than the AK, a simple price nerf could've balanced it out. No, the issue was that it was ridiculously strong at CQC, medium range AND long range, projecting even the AWP useless. I would very often buy a krieg instead of an AWP just because of how strong it was and I would win basically every duel against an AWP with it. It was basically the perfect gun, it had no flaws (unless you gave it away to the CTs, who if they died with it would lose it). I feel like it was super unbalanced and extremely unfair, it would make bad players play good and actual, skilled players would have no edge over those aforementioned bad players. 3k+ elo, so it's not like I was playing against silvers either. I abused the Krieg and after it got nerfed, I realized how bad I have become due to it. Re-learning the ak made my skill ceiling rise significantly once again.
2020-09-21 11:33
Well it made me fall into a slump or lets not say slump but due to losing confidence after the krieg nerf i just started playing more passive roles and positions which turned me from and aggressive/rotation player on both side who took Initiative to a support/anchor role Although i have and had much less elo but mb ur the guy to do u ppay with confidence every game cz i have so many games where i just dont feel like peeking sth...when im feeling it though im just destroying ppp for some reason
2020-09-21 11:38
Yes, that's to be expected, the same happened to me. The reason being that you probably had mountains of confidence while using the krieg, well so did I and for a good reason - it was OVERPOWERED. After it got nerfed, I became quite trash as well, but after adapting back to the ak again I can tell you - I missed my ak. As of right now, I'm the best I've ever been. Well to be honest, I was/am just like you. I had huge issues with confidence and when I had no confidence, I would be trash. How did I overcome it? Well first of all, you need to realize that playing completely passive/default won't get you anywhere. Secondly - having no confidence = being scared. Why are you scared? Are you scared about losing elo? Are you scared about dying? Well just don't be. Elo is just a number and without taking risks you will keep on losing. Think like this - the enemies aren't much different from you or better than you. Last but not least - believe in yourself. If you are gonna do a play, don't doubt yourself and always be 100% sure it will work. If it doesn't, it doesn't, whatever. But never doubt yourself. If you are gonna commit to something - be 100% committed. thank you for coming to my ted talk
2020-09-21 12:00
Well idk i usually only plylay in 3/4/5q and i feel like i have to be the one throwing utility, anchoring, clutching since me and our lets say star player are the most capable doing that, at least i think so....and for playing too aggressive and losing rounds by stupid plays, i feel bad usually when i know i lost the round cz i peek like an idiot...i think its the balance of taking necessary risks and avoiding unnecessary things...that may sound stupid but i consider my brain and gamesense to be much better than my boomer mechanics...ngl i outplay and outmove ppl in many Situations 24/7 and then just whiff cz of my boomer mechanics lmao And yeah idk since we played for a longer time already the elo isnt balanced between us so we usually play against some lvl 6-10 qs, depends on who is actually playing with me and it just feels horrible losing to lvl 6 randoms who make the most stupid play possible all the time and getting away with it cz only one of us has insane aim to really punish them....i play on my fucking 60 hz monitor with my mechanics which just fucks me whenever im not on point, i dont wanna blame it too much on the monitor though. I guess i just watched to many pro games and good players in general so i just think like they do instead of thinking like the no fucks giving sub 2000 elo faceit player
2020-09-21 12:20
nah cuz too gay
2020-09-20 12:14
Guns that don’t require skill to use them must be destroyed. So, no!
2020-09-20 12:14
Denmark Jeffersond
2020-09-20 12:41
+1 Same with AWP and AK. reduce movement speed with awp to something like the Negev and remove 1 HS kill with AK. Then the Kreig might be a viable gun.
2020-09-21 10:56
United Kingdom novaseer
So maybe, increase the skill level? *Increase first shot accuracy and firerate to old levels *Decrease accuracy of subsequent shots *Make spray pattern learnable, but M249 levels of wild *Decrease moving accuracy even more *Increase price to 3400 This way, the weapon becomes a skill-gun designed to be used for either one-taps or quick bursts, whilst players that use spraying as a crutch are unable, or near-unable, to use it. But pros with the dedication to learn difficult spray patterns can still make good use out of it in close quarters.
2020-09-21 13:49
Krieg abuser spotted
2020-09-20 12:21
$3700 Scoped accuracy/damage the same. 640 fire rate. Reduced un-scoped accuracy. Basically a "marksman rifle" for csgo.
2020-09-20 12:22
No good player would play a gun with bad unscoped accuracy lmao
2020-09-20 12:28
Aug had shit unscoped when it was meta. Also it's supposed to be like an awp. IE: you wouldn't entry with it; But you would peek into a guy on Holding apps on mirage.
2020-09-20 12:31
U didnt need the scope on the old krieg...i played it unscoped in almost every situation, it just had nice spray and insane accuracy, that was enough for me to destroy ppl
2020-09-20 12:53
Finland Faifainei
But it is easier to take advantage of scopes as ct so aug inaccuracy isnt as big of a deal as krieg inaccuracy.
2020-09-21 13:51
Reduced =/= bad. From what it was it could be reduced to AK level accuracy.
2020-09-21 12:36
hahahaha -1 rather remove the scope than this shit
2020-09-20 12:43
marksman rifle with better firerate than the "spray" gun. makes sense.
2020-09-21 09:32
IRL they are the same type of rifle. just one with a scope. You can put a scope on AK-47 too
2020-09-21 11:17
im talking about the game. u idiots are trying to make the krieg best gun for every scenario again.
2020-09-21 11:30
I haven't said a single thing about the krieg nerf and yet you call me idiot?
2020-09-21 11:41
u comment about irl guns in hltv conversation about bringing the old krieg back, u dont really give me another option.
2020-09-21 11:47
well krieg isnt a marksman rifle more than a ak47. They are literally the same type of rifle.
2020-09-21 12:22
yeah and i was responding to a post that was talking about firerate and price of a gun in videogame. give me your address i ship u some extra chromosomes u seem to be missing.
2020-09-21 12:38
so what? its not a """marksman""" rifle anyways
2020-09-21 12:41
LMAO so u still havent even read the post this discussion is about. amazing. u must be very smart.
2020-09-21 12:47
I have, just saying that "marksman rifle" is a non-factor in it. Smart enough to understand that having extra chromosomes isnt good.
2020-09-21 12:51
u know u can attach a fucking scope toa shotgun irl and call it marksman rifle if choose to do so. would have been far more relevant if u brought up bringin garand from dod days. but u still think irl guns are some how relevant in this discussion.
2020-09-21 12:56
No. A shotgun isnt a rifle. Its a shotgun.
2020-09-21 13:06
u seem to have very hard time making a distinction between irl and videogames. maybe it's time for u to go outside and experience the real world okaY?
2020-09-21 13:18
A shotgun isnt a rifle in csgo either.
2020-09-21 13:26
yeah and attaching scopes to ak's irl has no impact on videogame weapon balance but how could u not know that.
2020-09-21 13:28
Attaching a scope to AK in CSGO would certainly have some impact on weapon balance.
2020-09-21 13:30
yeah sure would, now care to explain how attaching one IRL does do so? because that was only thing u said, meanwhile everyone else was talking about "marksman rifles" as a figure of speech to how the gun should be played with.
2020-09-21 13:32
Maybe you shouldnt be using "figure of speech" then, since its not a figure of speach its just a result of kids not knowing anything about weapons using wrong terms.
2020-09-21 13:51
LMAO, we talk about how krieg should be marksman rifle AKA viable option for longer distances and u come here boasting about IRL rifles and scopes. like what the actual fuck :DDDDDDDDD also on sidenote i've been in military, national level biathlon athlete and hunting since i was 10y.o. so pretty sure i know thing or two more than u about guns.
2020-09-21 14:52
Yeah certainly. You think a shotgun is a rifle lol. I was also in the army for 5 years as a rifleman in armored division
2020-09-21 16:01
man if u are from nigeria, were u even 10 when they recruited u? also in what fucking world do IRL guns have anything to do with videogame weaponbalance? none what so ever so go serve an another 5 years and come back when u have seen +20yrs on this planet.
2020-09-21 16:16
Of course I'm not from Nigeria you mongoloid. It has nothing to do with it, thats exactly my point. Noone aside from you and the other mongoloid from albania has called it a marksman rifle, because it isnt.
2020-09-21 16:29
just tell me how the fuck is it still possible for u to think this one word meant as way of saying krieg should be viable option as highly effective weapon at longer ranges in a fucking videogame has anything to do with attaching a scope to a ak-47 in IRL. pls do and i believe u are not mentally challenged.
2020-09-21 17:32
all im saying is that its not a markman rifle and any argument containing that its a marksman rifle is void or you agree that if so, AK47 is also a marksman rifle and thus void again
2020-09-21 17:34
holyshit, hope u can find some help, idk how u manage to survive from day to day when u cant tell the difference between irl and videogames.
2020-09-21 17:46
Enjoy your "marksman rifle shotguns" mr I have used weapons since I was 10.
2020-09-21 17:49
and do u still get disappointed when u shoot someone and nobody gives u 300$? lmao man just go get some help really :D
2020-09-21 19:00
shotgun rifle
2020-09-21 21:03
A lot of stuff in cs needs some balancing. I guess they're just very careful because slight changes can fuck up the entire competitive landscape. And yet they still fuck up every time. I think they should try balancing more frequently, but maybe in smaller steps as not to fuck up the entire game instantly?
2020-09-20 12:23
They're not careful at all. They made jumping deagle headshots not long ago
2020-09-20 12:27
Ik, I meant they don't make changes frequently as to keep the meta stable, not that the changes themselves are careful.
2020-09-21 07:54
They simply dont give a shit about csgo. Its that simple
2020-09-21 11:41
No, they should rather increase its 1st shot again
2020-09-20 12:42
It would be nice to have a other meta which isn't ak/m4 + awp on full buy. Sometimes ct buy aug but the T site is just always ak
2020-09-20 12:45
Old specs with 3.5k is fine
2020-09-20 13:37
im ok for this but maybe 3700 woud be better
2020-09-20 13:39
if this shit cost 10000 and it was like pre-nerf people would still buy it.
2020-09-20 13:42
No, min 3800, maybe even 4k, it can easily fight an AWP and that's 4750 so it needs to be pricey as well.
2020-09-20 13:43
It should come back. It was way more fun to watch with the SG in play. Very high price or maybe slightly less damage like the M4 so one hs doesn’t kill.
2020-09-20 14:19
What's the point, that only gives the Ts that get advantage even bigger one which will make comebacks all but impossible on CT
2020-09-20 14:49
How to repair krieg? That's simple. We can't revert nerf and raise price, that would still be broken especially when TT are snowballing and have a lot of money. BUT We can make a bit more accurate, a bit more expensive AND make Krieg spray pattern a bit more tricky. It's very easy pattern, you just need to pull off your crosshair bottom-left and that's it. Valve doesn't care tho
2020-09-20 17:12
Spray pattern is useless now with the low firerate. You lose any spray battle due to that unless you headshot
2020-09-21 11:42
United Kingdom novaseer
Pretty much what I thought - #117
2020-09-21 13:55
3700$ then we can talk
2020-09-20 21:31
3650$ then we can talk
2020-09-21 08:01
Actually, lower the price of the current krieg, increase accuracy to pre-nerf levels and It'll see some use it still shows up in pro play sometimes, though rarely
2020-09-21 08:01
NiKo | 
Latvia |BrX|
The krieg nerf somehow reminds me the TEC9 nerf some time ago... I think after some time they will make some improvements to the krieg and it will get balanced out just like Tec now.... I actually agree with VALVE on their position on gun updates/nerfs... The main thing about CS is its stability and longevity. If they make some changes they let them last for some time and only then go with necessary updates and they dont jump to fast unnecessary conclusions and updates.
2020-09-21 08:02
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France pol44r
old accuracy+new fire rate and 3300 dollars is good,even 3500 is good
2020-09-21 08:13
Sweden botl0f
nt silver d0g
2020-09-21 09:32
old accuracy, old fire rate, 2750 dollars pls
2020-09-21 09:37
yes! fun weapon in mm no usefulness in pro cs (good) done
2020-09-21 09:39
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Romania Laskof
Make it to 600 rpm instead of 545 Make it not have fucking lower accuracy than a parkinson person Make it more expensive
2020-09-21 09:49
imagine spending 3,5k on a gun and losing round only to meet a ct side with laser rifles next round. gg
2020-09-21 09:51
+ make a petition
2020-09-21 09:53
I liked it until teams started running 5 of them.
2020-09-21 10:22
The nerf is a good thing imo. Krieg before was just too good, felt like I have aimbot. Even things like m4a1-s are OP.
2020-09-21 10:26
miss the krieg :( was just so easy to spray i didnt even care about the scope
2020-09-21 10:30
i reach ak with whim and now im gold3 or gold2 ,sad but true :(
2020-09-21 13:10
Sweden Svahn
Krieg meta > online cs Sad but fucking true
2020-09-21 10:45
2020-09-21 13:09
Netherlands RiberiA
L2p G(od)lil
2020-09-21 11:30
you're better off playing cod if you want that gamebreaker back
2020-09-21 11:34
make it 3650 for its dps, dpb and AP. don't want to see ppl with 2 kriegs
2020-09-21 11:35
2020-09-21 11:47
Denmark HurtigeHH
i dont get why they have to over-nerf it, because now the gun is totally useless compared to other options, even fking galil is better.. Actually sad. . Valve do something to make the gun a viable option again. Thank you!
2020-09-21 12:24
Old krieg back at 5000$ and i'll be ok with it, anything lower is not acceptable for how much op the gun is.
2020-09-21 12:54
are you crying?
2020-09-21 13:08
No are you?
2020-09-21 13:31
im not crying you're crying
2020-09-21 13:38
no u
2020-09-21 13:39
no u
2020-09-21 13:44
More like 3.3k
2020-09-21 12:59
the true is we are needing another strange meta to make the scene diferent like the aug and sg i think ct sides is struggling is some maps more than the usual ,like inferno and train. make the aug great again
2020-09-21 13:07
İ can psy 16000
2020-09-21 13:12
Australia Aquaaa
I've always wanted Value to not nerf the Krieg in-terms of the gun's power, but to bring up the price of it.
2020-09-21 13:32
I'd bring back the aug as well for 3500$ and then the game would have more options for weapons and the usage of it in terms of the game.
2020-09-21 13:35
Poland JKG
The worst thing about Valve nerfing guns is that they dont nerf these guns, they literally make them unplayable I actually liked Krieg's era cuz it was something different
2020-09-21 13:47
i agree bro, itd be nice to have a more versatile weapon scale, to synergise with the economy, id put the price at 3750, but wed have to test it out as players
2020-09-21 16:03
Canada Droidd
In overtime everyone on T would have kreigs. And I wouldn't mind it.
2020-09-21 16:30
high risk/reward weapon... agaist M4 that does not kill on 1st headshot, its a very fair duel, specially on maps that allows its correct usage like D2 and OVP.. What usually happens is that people do not know how to handle this gun without the scope, and try tu use it close-mid range.. this will get you killed most of the times.. if you understand how the burst of this weapon works, it can be of good value.
2020-09-21 16:31
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United States Bioax
either that or make the current krieg 2700
2020-09-21 16:33
India _Jazz_
I think it's fire rate should be increased, but still less than OP krieg. Current Fire rate is too low. Also, they should increase the price by 100.
2020-09-21 16:33
I'm glad we're back to AKs. Krieg era was fun for a couple of months tho.
2020-09-21 16:35
Philippines EDBX
I wish they had at least tried to increase the price before nerfing it into oblivion. I know everyone is crying about how OP it is but I would rather have an AK and full utility over just a krieg and armor in most situations. The only time T's would always have kriegs is with a snowballed economy, and in that case the potential for the CTs to pick up the weapon is high anyway.
2020-09-21 18:09
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