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Finland is banning foreign betting sites
Finland MeeTaZ 
So yeah they are banning all foreign based betting sites in summer of 2021... But we have this monopoly company called Veikkaus after it (it has shitty odds compared to bet365/betway/unibet)... For you other Finns, are you going to make PayPal to continue using foreign betting sites? Yes that is legal cuz the law only prevents depositting and withdrawing from and to foreign betting sites from your bank accountd. Thank you for reading, give thoughs in comments.
2020-09-23 09:07
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My opinion? Slight inconvinience to use PayPal but its still irritating if the law passes...
2020-09-23 09:08
#211
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Brazil IsFree
Thats a pretty shitty thing to do, is the overall finnish market always that regulated on other areas aswell?
2020-09-23 16:57
strong alcoholic based liquids are sold by government monopoly company called Alko
2020-09-23 17:04
#234
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Brazil IsFree
Sad. Its one thing to regulate things that are harmfull, but if you just take the market for yourself and fuck the consumer its immoral
2020-09-23 17:28
the fact that it's possible to create and keep up a monopoly out of alcohol and betting business here in Finland, in 2020, is beyond insane lmao
2020-09-23 17:40
Wtf even is that comment? If they are regulating alcohol consumption, they are saving the consumer, not fucking them. Alcohol should fall under much stricter laws.
2020-09-23 18:59
#250
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Brazil IsFree
They're not regulating the market if they OWN A MONOPOLY ON IT LOL One thing is to pass legislation, another is to kill all competition
2020-09-23 19:01
Alko doesnt work like a company would, at least not entirely. Its state owned so it doesnt have to maxime profits as the only imperative like a normal private company. Same with Veikkaus. The point is exactly that overconsumption of alcohol (big problem in finland) and gambling addiction (also a big problem) can be somehow managed when there is no competition in that field of business. In my opinion of course everything should be publicly owned and private corporations should be allowed only when there is no employment of other people.
2020-09-23 20:42
Lol. Would be retarded to give the money gambling addicts make to foreign companies based in tax havens.
2020-09-23 21:13
yes, it's what we call sääntö-Suomi or regulation-Finland in English
2020-09-23 17:07
when addiction is called "market"
2020-09-23 17:08
#233
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Brazil IsFree
Well tbh its choice, I'm aganist publicity for betting stuff, but I dont really care about it overall
2020-09-23 17:27
its not addiction if u do it like 2 times a month
2020-09-23 22:36
#229
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Denmark Notallama
A shitty thing to do towards whom?
2020-09-23 17:24
#232
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Brazil IsFree
Consumers. Monopolies bring the prices up, Im ok with regulating shit, but you cant just let one company fuck everyone over
2020-09-23 17:26
#244
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Denmark Notallama
The prices are only increased if the demand is inelastic in a monopoly, otherwise the company doesn't benefit. Since it's state owned, they will have a motivation to minimize deadweight loss as much as possible.
2020-09-23 17:42
I’m not Finnish but the verkkars are a great band, dunno what you’re talking about
2020-09-23 09:09
#65
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Finland eIe
Yes
2020-09-23 10:46
Yes
2020-09-23 15:05
#3
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Georgia Megobari
who cars about betting, mens))
2020-09-23 09:09
I make something bethween 1/4-1/5 of my income from betting... If paypal was banned, i would have to live with very little money to be used for luxuries (eating outside, cigarettes, gasoline to drive around for fun, games, computer upgrades)
2020-09-23 09:15
#12
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Georgia Megobari
Don't smoke, mens. You will save a lot of money, if you will not smoke+better health))
2020-09-23 09:16
#47
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Korea XigNw0w
Driving around for fun? What kind of stupid shit is that.
2020-09-23 09:55
Yup... We have this culture called Amis in here, tuned cars with nice af music shit, huge ass bass, big ass stereos and blasting music and driving around... Its rly fun if u try it, sounds stupid tho... We have these meetings and cruisings in here where hundrets of cars meet up and we drive in a colum
2020-09-23 10:29
Sounds like something where culture doesn't play any part
2020-09-23 11:10
Its a culture in rural areas... Rarely city folks do that and almost only people that are amis are those who went to school that teaches em to be experts in one specific job. Ofc u guys have this culture but its called something else in fance.
2020-09-23 11:14
You don't quite understand the meaning of culture.
2020-09-23 11:17
#115
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France Insidium
Its car culture lmao ofc it has to do with culture
2020-09-23 11:32
#174
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Finland mattixboi
it's a culture within finnish culture, i don't take part tho
2020-09-23 14:12
Play My Summer Car
2020-09-23 16:28
#101
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Korea XigNw0w
Sounds stupid wasting money for what exactly? I mean tuning car might pass but what's the point of buying bass and other shit if you will sell the car later on?
2020-09-23 11:17
Well you have your things where u put ur money in that are gonna be sold or break down eventually... What is your point? Let ppl do what they wanna do if it makes em happy ._. and the bass can be removed, many of 17-25yo mens)) know how to install em and remove em, i do too... I just bought a new car where i put my old bass and my old car wasnt tuned, only thing i had in it was some lights i took off.
2020-09-23 11:28
generally for younger people getting your first car, getting your first moped, etc. is an exciting time. a car is the upgrade for sure, but in the finnish weather everything is going to rust, the car included as a result of salting the roads during winter. the bass and other audio equipment last pretty much forever. besides its fun, so why not? i'd much rather young people putting their money in their hobbies instead of booze.
2020-09-23 11:35
#183
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Finland jakem0n
+1
2020-09-23 14:38
Thats sad
2020-09-23 13:45
Well its a depressing though... I already work 9.5hours a day 5/7days a week... Taxes are heavy and rent is huge while having a car is expensive too... And insurances for house and car cost too...
2020-09-23 13:47
Weird. Gamblers always talk about how much of their living they do with gambling. My 200 IQ says me that there is something wrong with these stories because 100 people have to lose in order that 2 people win.
2020-09-23 13:59
#185
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Finland jakem0n
I guess betting and gambling is slightly different things.
2020-09-23 14:39
"100 people have to lose in order that 2 people win." wtf is this from
2020-09-23 17:29
You guys have one company for betting? Seems like a good opportunity to found a betting company yourself and give better odds
2020-09-23 09:10
Nope they have monopoly, they have the only licence in here and nobody else is given it... Also their slots are rigged and very little winnings if any... And for example veikkaus has 1.7 odds and betway would have 1.9 odds, u can already see why im kinda irritated to use paypal from then on...
2020-09-23 09:16
Wow that is some bullshit
2020-09-23 09:18
Yeah... And they dont even have live blackjack or anything like that... Shitty odds in betting and rigged slots...
2020-09-23 09:20
Its more than fine that abusing gambling addicts is not a free market.
2020-09-23 17:06
If you want to prevent abuse, put regulations in play. Don't just create a monopoly, excluding all other competitors
2020-09-23 17:08
Why not? Ok could tax it 99% with same effect.
2020-09-23 17:09
The reason why not is because competition drives innovation and competition is good for the consumer as well.
2020-09-23 17:13
Not with addicted people.
2020-09-23 17:16
Not everyone that gambles is an addict, that's a ridiculous statement.
2020-09-23 17:17
But thats where the money comes from. And with certain unnamed companies its just a way to launder money out of EU area.
2020-09-23 18:57
That's why you are supposed to regulate.
2020-09-23 18:58
Some of the odds are quite good. For example got 8.00 odds for x6tence for todays match, as it is 7.00 in betway. Prefer handicap bets, they are putting those odds too high
2020-09-23 11:18
Its government monopoly. There is only one gambling licence. Same as stronger alcohol is only sold by government monopoly company. The reasoning is that these companies that offer something bad they are better to controlled by government so they can support the addicts better or smthng. But no you cant start a betting company in Finland :)
2020-09-23 09:17
Sounds terrible wtf
2020-09-23 09:18
It has its points, its a bit old fashioned. I mean the company gives out a lot of the money towards mental health and support sports and arts, the idea is that the gambling profits would be used for good in society. For alcohol monopoly the idea is to control through pricing how much people consume hard alcohol as Finns are very much into getting shitfaced.
2020-09-23 09:22
That's BS. All of the money goes for bribing for things to stay as it is. That's 100% corrupt dirty money.
2020-09-23 11:24
wtf you talking about
2020-09-23 11:38
#186
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Finland jakem0n
Someone is mad about being poor and losing money to other poor people, lmao Edit: I tried to reply to #110
2020-09-23 14:41
Whaaaat? :D
2020-09-23 11:47
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Denmark Notallama
Not really. The basics of economics is supply and demand. If there is a demand for it, society will provide it one way or the other, regardless of the legality. If it was outright banned, then there would foster an illegal network of gambling, and moving customers to foreign markets, that would be much worse, both for the Finnish economy and the addicts. This is a compromise.
2020-09-23 17:31
You misunderstood everything. Bribing is for keeping the monopoly. The money flows back to politics who in return use their power to support that monopoly. It has nothing to do with gambling. Gambling just happens to be the original money source for that corrupt structure. Edit: And gambling addictions are much worse in Finland than many other countries which dont have government driven gambling. In Finland, gambling addicts are important part of governments budget - outside of transparent parliamentary controlled budget - so there is no incentive to limit damages really.
2020-09-24 10:22
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Denmark Notallama
#244 Also, what does corruption have to do with anything..?
2020-09-24 12:18
You have not clue what you are talking about. Every political party in Finland benefits heavily from gambling monopoly. And political system is not healthy when state owned company is funding politics. Maybe there is someway healthy structure in Denmark but the situation in Finland is absurd, almost banana state level of corruption.
2020-09-24 12:42
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Denmark Notallama
Benefits how exactly, don't be afraid to share the juicy details. You're clearly a very clever person, so please enlighten me.
2020-09-24 14:46
That's common knowledge in here. Not some conspiracy thing. For example: hs.fi/politiikka/art-2000006479582.html Title says half of the organizations getting money from Veikkaus (gambling monopoly) are linked to political organizations. HS is as creditable as news paper can be.
2020-09-24 15:10
goverment owned company wich have worst odds so its a rip off, of course its a safest way to bet but still
2020-09-23 09:20
money also goes straight back to your country and not to some foreign CEOs cocaine habit
2020-09-23 10:53
you are right on that, every time i lose money i support finnish sports,culture or war veterans but they need to make those sports odds and games on same level that those malta casinos have
2020-09-23 12:16
huutista
2020-09-23 09:10
#6
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Finland Sulttaani
This is so sad mens :((
2020-09-23 09:10
Only bit sad cuz have to use paypal as middle man
2020-09-23 09:18
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Finland Sulttaani
It won't take long before they notice that and do something about it. Just like USA in 2011 banned online poker.
2020-09-23 09:21
But how can they prevent using paypal? I can activate vpn when using it and register my paypal to be in foreign country... If veikkaus had even ok'ish odds i wouldnt complain
2020-09-23 09:24
good.
2020-09-23 09:15
Not betting since not allowed to yet
2020-09-23 09:15
nice men)) i am also young guy!! lets queue on faceit
2020-09-23 09:16
FBI, Open Up!
2020-09-23 09:17
-1 its faceit queue not discord talk about feelings
2020-09-23 09:18
Nt that's how it starts off.
2020-09-23 09:19
-1
2020-09-23 09:24
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Korea XigNw0w
It's Mossad you don't have to open up. We are inside already.
2020-09-23 09:56
same here
2020-09-23 14:35
vpn
2020-09-23 09:17
Nope cuz the law prevents bank transactions from finnish bank accounts to foreign betting sites... PayPal can be used as middle man tho...
2020-09-23 09:21
or crypto
2020-09-23 09:21
PayPal is the way, it does not even take a cut if im not wrong
2020-09-23 09:22
#285
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Finland dansqoo
Skrill
2020-10-02 10:28
they will just help addicts survive
2020-09-23 09:18
#26
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Finland Rudilele
Nah. In Finland we have lil casinos in every store because Veikkaus.
2020-09-23 09:20
Addicts lose more money to their rigged slots than in sites where u can actually win something
2020-09-23 09:22
no more gold leaf salmiak wtf
2020-09-23 09:22
Yeah :(
2020-09-23 09:22
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Austria mo_bamba
a lot Europe countries has banned foreign betting sites
2020-09-23 09:23
Yeah those sites that do not have licences are banned, those sites with licences are allowed in whole EU cuz EU prevents monopolies like Veikkaus forming... Eu might step on this law tho... If country banns all gambling then ur right
2020-09-23 09:27
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Austria mo_bamba
no, legit sites like the ones u named are banned
2020-09-23 09:29
Then a country has banned all forms of gambling or is not member of EU, norway could be used as example of that
2020-09-23 09:34
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Europe bodziok
they are banning foreigh sites cuz of taxes nothing else
2020-09-23 10:47
where is the news about this
2020-09-23 09:34
iltalehti.fi/politiikka/a/840165de-b047-.. Here, but u can google for more stories...
2020-09-23 10:25
#48
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Finland Risezz
And this can be skipped using skrill/neteller :D You can't use paypal on betting sites..
2020-09-23 09:56
On betway u can tho if u have verified your age in there... And ye i might even use skrill cuz it seems to be fast etc... Does it take cuts from money transactions?
2020-09-23 10:26
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Namibia doggc
Skrill is a scam, they closed my account with $1k+ in it because it came from suspicious gambling activity. They don't even want to return the money before closing my acct.
2020-09-23 10:33
#134
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Finland Risezz
Skrill cuts like 1-2% from money transactions. I have used skrill like 3 years and no problem with that :D just don't create account underage, then they will not close your account
2020-09-23 12:18
Im 21yo so npnp
2020-09-23 12:51
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Poland mlodzier
Dude we had in our country since probably 2 years for sure, and yeah it sucks because odds are kinda different (like they favors the team that on the other sites has 2-3 odds and its underdog)
2020-09-23 10:30
Use middle man to transfer your money, paypal/skrill to use foreign sites
2020-09-23 10:31
It's bullshit, fuck all restrictions, betting and drugs are restricted because small portion of people are idiots and abusers. Snus is restricted but not cigarettes. Alcohol has tons of abusers but its not restricted. Its all bullshit imo
2020-09-23 10:33
Government and old people are lagging behind what is relevant and should be legal 😎 yet i only am against drugs that are injected with needle... Other than that, smoke as much crack as u wanna but if ur gonna attack police with knife, its ur fault if i die.
2020-09-23 10:51
#188
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Finland jakem0n
Yksikin kannabispiikki voi tappaa. Translation: Even the first cannabis-syringe could kill you. Its a old meme here in Finland. If I remember correctly it was an actual propaganda phrase at some point and it was used to scare youngster such as students in schools and stuff. I think it was written in a book we used to study health education.
2020-09-23 14:47
You are correct but i dont recall anything about it being printed into books.
2020-09-23 14:48
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Finland jakem0n
Yeah, I might be mistaken but who knows... it might have been in a book 30-40 years ago, no problem. Things like that just might disappear and live only through urban legends so I'm not sure if it was really in a book but I somehow remember something like that.
2020-09-23 14:52
Smart decision, good job Finland!
2020-09-23 10:37
#60
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Finland Jolkkoswag
can you link the news and also this is bs veikkaus have to make their shit better then live betting etc fuck this
2020-09-23 10:38
#82
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Finland Jolkkoswag
you can goo around it with paypal skrill ethernum etc
2020-09-23 11:00
I know but its irritating to use middle man
2020-09-23 11:01
certified Satana Perkele moment©
2020-09-23 10:41
go play with snow
2020-09-23 10:45
But there is no snow right now :( and im 21yo so no ice so i cant go there with my snowmobile :(
2020-09-23 10:52
go fuck yourself
2020-09-23 11:19
I would rather ram ur ass with my snowmobile if i could :/
2020-09-23 11:23
Same in Lithuania, use DNS and thats it...
2020-09-23 10:45
Its still irritating to use middle man when previously u could just click and it was done, now i have to manage to click multiple times, fuck :(
2020-09-23 10:53
it is, but u cant control it...its be ok, if local bookmaker will not limited u. so if u got limited on all local bookmakers its gg for u. U need to find friends or family members and etc. its sux. without limits its be fine.
2020-09-23 10:56
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Europe bodziok
wow in poland we dont have foreign betting sites for a long time now and its okay. Many polish sites opened after ban
2020-09-23 10:46
Ye but we have monopoly for 1 site that has shitty odds and slots that have small winnings with relatively big bet... So kinda shitty... And no live poker/blackjack/roulette what so ever. Our government wont let anyone else get a licence to host a gambling site other than current one called Veikkaus Oy (they are also corrupted af)
2020-09-23 10:55
isn't Finland a part of the EU?? I would assume that is in a conflict of free competition.
2020-09-23 10:49
Yup that is violation of free competition, i issued a complaint to EU yesterday. I would never have imagined EU to benefit me but here i am.
2020-09-23 10:56
move to malta very many betting sites there.
2020-09-23 10:59
But rent is sky high so no ty
2020-09-23 11:01
You can win 5 euros with veikkaus after that if you keep going you will just loose everything. I don't really bet so it doesn't affect me in any way but I am sad for you guys who do. I mean they probably try to do good stuff to the people but also they just fuck everyone over.
2020-09-23 10:57
Nah government needs more taxes and saw that veikkaus could have literally a monopoly so more taxes... If they really cared about ppl with gambling addiction, they should promote foreign sites so they could win 10€ instead of 5€... Also i dont gamble, i bet on sports/esports/politics and sometimes bet 5-10€ to blackjack to have tasanumero in my balance.
2020-09-23 10:59
yeah well I mean you still dont always win and there is a risk that if they win 10 euros instead of 5 euros they will deposit more and therefore loose more money but idk I believe you since I have not looked into this stuff at all.
2020-09-23 11:01
Better to give addicts better odds than worse in my opinion... And you must have seen hundrets of old ppl addicted to gambling machines and see em lose 20-50euros... Its sad... They rarely win... Yet in online gambling odds are much better.
2020-09-23 11:05
in a global world, it makes no sense to have a monopoly in a part where free competition works. Monopoly makes only sense in network infrastructure like power, trains or conduit for internet (not the netprovider just the company who owns the conduits)
2020-09-23 11:14
Idk if monopoly in anything works, i mean i could argue someone could operate trains cheaper or provide better internet connection
2020-09-23 11:15
it makes no sense to have two conduits at the same house for the internet. You only need one, same counts for trains.
2020-09-23 11:16
yes you're right which is why in finland for example the government has subsidized 4g networks. the purpose? to have good connections all over the country. so whenever a company wants to make a new transmitter/receiver mast, whatever its called again, the government pays some percentage of it and all other companies are allowed to use that same mast.
2020-09-23 11:48
I think that most of the bettors uses paypal anyways, because otherwise social office would see winnings as income.
2020-09-23 10:58
Nope cuz most of the betting sites are tax free: kertoimet.com/vedonlyonnin-verotus/
2020-09-23 11:00
That's terrible. Uh most websites doesnt take paypal though? Consider using an broker like asiaconnect so you can get asian bookies.
2020-09-23 11:02
Idk i figure it out, but what Veikkaus and our government is doing is violating free competition laws in EU so EU might step in.
2020-09-23 11:07
It depends I feel like EU selects which violations they try and step in :D like I mean every EU country should have euros as their currency but what about Sweden and Poland for example? But they arent really doing anything to get these countries to use euros. So it depends if they see it necessary to step in.
2020-09-23 11:11
This is about free competition and not free market, so they should... Btw i dont even like EU so yeah :P
2020-09-23 11:16
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Denmark Randomij
This is actually pretty serious... So this Company Veikkaus will have full monopoly of the betting market in Finland?
2020-09-23 11:05
Yup but its violation of free competition in EU so EU should step in this shit. I even wrote a complaint for EU about this... Never ever would i have though EU helping me but here i am.
2020-09-23 11:07
#120
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Denmark Randomij
That was what I were thinking, anyways good luck, no company should have full monopoly on anything, that is like communist crazy...
2020-09-23 11:44
It truly is insane... Yet they are pushing this forward just to get few million euros for government... Many poker professionals would lose their jobs and they would just move to another country, so government would lose more and more money due to less consumer goods bought and due to that less taxes
2020-09-23 11:47
Alcohol and betting monopolies already exist here. Just waiting for some kind of retarded tobacco monopoly.
2020-09-23 11:16
it's the same in Australia but we have 4 licensed companies, slightly worse odds than some unregulated companies but better protection, pretty bad if you only have 1 option though.
2020-09-23 11:18
Same company owns every type of gambling, and even those slot machines are owned by them.
2020-09-23 11:20
thats messed up, unexpected from finland.
2020-09-23 11:29
our country is very archaic in some areas. we have a state monopoly on alcohol for example and the reasons are cited as ones of health, better quality alcohol and that if hard liquor was freely available from grocery stores people would just drink all day long. of course it's all bullshit. there was such a huge fight over allowing 5,7 abv alcoholic (this is the limit) beverages in the grocery stores and it turns out nothing bad happened.
2020-09-23 11:43
man there would be riots here if our government tried to pull that, surely most of the booze is imported anyway? Is the price decent? Do they restrict how much u can buy?
2020-09-23 11:49
they don't restrict how much you can pyy, but the prizes are outrageous. a wine bottle will cost 3-4 times as much here as because of taxation. over 80% of its price is just tax. i don't know what the price of cheap wine is in say other european countries, but decent one according to a google search is 5-7 euros and it's already double that for finns. and yes most of the booze is imported.
2020-09-23 11:57
that's bullshit, liquor shops on the sweden and russian borders must be doing well
2020-09-23 12:04
Actually in Estonia, thats where people from Southern Finland gets alcohol. But even their prices have increased drastically. I guess expensive alcohol is good for the health but its still aids... This betting thing I cant even understand. Might as well ban all of betting...
2020-09-23 12:57
honestly sounds like corruption if the government will only issue 1 company with a licence
2020-09-23 19:17
there are more but it is the biggest by far
2020-09-23 20:33
#193
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Finland jakem0n
You cant really bring lots of alcohol from Russia and if I have understood correctly you have to be over night in Russia to get permission to bring anything from there. tulli.fi/en/private-persons/travelling/b..
2020-09-23 15:00
sweden also has high taxation on alcohol, so they also do a lot of alcohol tourism into cheaper european union countries like the finns do. thing is that for all the things that eu provides the politicians at the highest level have failed to realize that our neighbors are underbidding us in the worst manner possible. the only thing this taxation does is make us lose taxes to countries like estonia, lithuania, latvia, etc. that money is never coming back. if it was spent in finland on affordable liquor, then it would stay in finland and no one would care. (to provide more context i'll add that there are no import taxes between eu countries- you can buy as much alcohol as you want in another country in the eu.)
2020-09-23 16:40
#104
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Finland nexustron
I don't have a strong opinion on this since I do not do sports betting at all.
2020-09-23 11:18
Use Russian VPN
2020-09-23 11:19
The bann is about banning transactions with our banks regarding depositting and withdrawing money from foreign sites. Using middle man works tho
2020-09-23 11:23
Join Russia then to deny all Finnish laws
2020-09-23 11:28
I rather be a Finn ._.
2020-09-23 11:28
lmaoing @ gambling addicts rn
2020-09-23 11:46
No way in hell that goes through with EU, but i guess they can always propose
2020-09-23 11:48
Expected from communist republic of Finland Our pm gave support to BurnLootMurder and the minister of education is supporter of antifa. Not even kiddings. Makes me sad that we fought for independence to end up here, almost as if it was all in vain.
2020-09-23 11:56
They will lose in next elections no worries 😎 or government collapses and new election earlier than expected, 3 major crisis in 1.5years.
2020-09-23 12:53
Most Finlandia people use state site already anyways? Everything on there, no? Dont they use kambi/evo/etc like everyone else?
2020-09-23 11:58
Odds for betting are like 20-30% worse than for example in Unibet... Slots have 100€ best price with 1€ bet while in for example in betway you can win 1000€+ and that 100€ is more rare than 1000€ in betway... Also Veikkaus does not have Live blackjack/poker/roulette/other games... And i personally dont know many ppl that use Veikkaus, only old people and older millenials use it... 18-30yo use often foreign ones.
2020-09-23 12:56
Hmm thought Fins loved it.. Maybe it was Denmark or Norway.
2020-09-23 13:46
Slot machines in the stores ye those we love, we can put our coins after shopping into em
2020-09-23 13:50
just use crypto, ez
2020-09-23 12:16
I will 😎
2020-09-23 12:57
Can u use a vpn
2020-09-23 12:18
Phfff 4th time i say this... The bann is for transactions from Finnish banks to foreign betting sites. The sites are not closed but the money transactions will be, but paypal/skrill/crypto can still be used as middle man so i dont see the point for the law... Aaaand EU does not accept total monopoly of Veikkaus cuz it violates free competition in EU country so EU might step in.
2020-09-23 12:58
Imagine not having paypal
2020-09-23 12:18
I have but i have only used it few times... Seems like i have to use it if the law passes... Its just irritating to use middle man when everything was easier with direkt bank to site transactions
2020-09-23 12:59
yes i understand
2020-09-23 14:52
Which good betting sites even accept PayPal these days?
2020-09-23 12:22
Few ones, Betway accepts even paysafecards
2020-09-23 13:00
Bro its already been banned in Turkey,but we can play with vpn no worries
2020-09-23 12:44
I know i have seen u guys in blackjack chat rooms
2020-09-23 13:00
they say our countries are free but there fuck aint no freedom when it comes to money, sweden doesnt have it that bad, but all our real life casinos and slots are under state monopoly just like alcohol
2020-09-23 12:58
Yeah... Total liberty should be established of the usage of our money.
2020-09-23 13:01
+1 agree and confirm
2020-09-23 13:01
welcome to usa. just use crypto, very easy
2020-09-23 13:06
#151
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Finland Jodecast
I dont see the problem. If you really need to bet use veikkaus. If your income depends on betting you are mentally retarded
2020-09-23 13:09
Veikkaus has shitty odds and my income does not depend on betting... All luxuries i buy come from betting... My car, better pc parts, paying my diesel tax, paying some of my water costs, my dishwasher, my donald duck subscription, eating outside 2 times a week (hesburger/kebab) etc... Why should i be forced to use Veikkaus where i could win 300€ vs 500€ in betway? Also the risk vs reward is less and to be clear, i work 9.5hours a day as dept collector. I pay my taxes and everything. If the law passes i have to use middle man so fuck off veikkaus :) If your ansver is to work more, no point because taxes would go up dramastically if i earn even 10€ more taxable income. By betting i found a way to finance some of my costs and get something to my savings account. And as i checked ur account, you are a student and make alot money as a one... You have not been in the workforce so whenever you step out of studying, you come against hard reality of life and taxes and try to find a way to buy a fucking solid dishwasher that does not break down after 2months of use.
2020-09-23 13:38
#157
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Finland mattixboi
if your income depends on betting (actually statistically winning long-term, not shitty slot games) you're probably mathematically gifted, and a smart mens))
2020-09-23 13:43
Yup... Betting is so much different than slots/roulette
2020-09-23 13:47
#170
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Finland Jodecast
Dude thats the worst logic I have ever heard
2020-09-23 14:00
#173
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Finland mattixboi
??? profiting from matchbetting requires statistical skills, a deeper understanding of odds + seeing correlations between factors, and it's very well possible, many people bet on matches for a living. many of those people also perform over indexes in the stock market. mathematical skills are correlated heavily with intelligence. can you give me any "logic" behind your opinion?
2020-09-23 14:08
#175
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Finland Jodecast
Yeah matchbetting requires skill yeah just fuck off. You would need to know inside information about teams, how they feel, motivation, practice time, conflicts etc Do you know anything of that? Ofc you dont And then we need to remember all the matchfixing that is going on in the lower tier, so please, dont talk about skill. Its literally all luck and about taking a risk or not, yeah betting with 1.2 odds, you are very good at what you are doing
2020-09-23 14:16
#176
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Finland mattixboi
you just don't know shit about matchbetting i guess, not that i make a living out of it either you do not need to know every little shitty detail about a team, main correlations are probably from recent performances, map veto, etc. then you compare that to the market odds, and if you see mispricing you take a bet. also, matchfixing is going on, but people making money 99% of the time don't make it by betting on matchfixes
2020-09-23 14:18
they are not banning them, u just cant take money from those website back to ur bank. but u can just move them to skrill and to the bank
2020-09-23 13:37
I know but some ppl celebrate it as veikkaus becoming monopoly is a good thing... Also i know i have already used skrill earlier but its just irritating to use middle man... Betway accepts paysafecards so less money for middle man.
2020-09-23 13:40
veikkaus 1.9 odd is somewhere 2.7, shit company
2020-09-23 13:48
#156
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Finland mattixboi
some sites will probably ban users from finland, no matter the payment method (i think pinnacle's gonna do this) also, has it been already decided? this kind of shit is fucking dumb, what does creating a monopoly help? less competition -> bigger house edge -> more losses -> bigger gambling problems i don't really gamble on betway, bet365, pinnacle etc. but as a larger political move this shit is scary
2020-09-23 13:42
Its kinda violating free competition in EU... And i dont even like EU but first time of my life iim glad that they might come to stop this law.
2020-09-23 13:49
be happy 90% is mafia anyway.
2020-09-23 13:44
Lol
2020-09-23 13:48
by 2030 all betting will be gone, cuz its just straight up money laundering for the maf.
2020-09-23 13:57
I wont deny that laundering part... I jsut hope that there was one site allowed everywhere with fair odds and 0 mafia.
2020-09-23 14:28
EU will fight this and fine Finland, they are already doing it due to Alko's monopoly.
2020-09-23 13:51
Alko is shit too, if a monastery wants their own wine, they have to ship it to Alko and then go and get their own wine that they shipped to Alko... Its ridicilous.
2020-09-23 14:29
betting is cancer and im very amused about the stories that everyone makes good money with bets.
2020-09-23 14:03
Or... Meaby you just are bad at betting, i have winning % of over 60% and most of those % come from betting on underdogs... Latest win was 15€ on endpoint vs mouz, 6.25 odds. That paid my electricity bill of this month and some food.
2020-09-23 14:34
iq? it`s not about me being good or bad, it`s about how bets work. tell me how everyone is making money when your win is the other people loss. there is no added value. you realise that like 90% of people who tell you that they make good money with bets can be nothing but liars or pathetic clowns who only see what they won but not what they spent?
2020-09-23 16:07
Delusional, you can't make money from betting, the house always wins in the end and that's a fact, its pure math, if you deny math than you are a retard.
2020-09-23 17:16
yes the house already wins when it takes the bets in... they get a cut and deal the rest for winners...
2020-09-23 17:22
Holy shit, i feel so bad for you mate.Anyway, good luck, maybe one day you'll stop, even if you win like you stated betting is STILL bad from a shit ton of various reasons, unless you win big which is impossible.In long term betting will ruin your life.
2020-09-23 17:25
Yeah, take the advice of an idiot child, that’s a good idea.
2020-09-24 10:32
i made around 20 k with poker in my entire life, ...
2020-09-23 14:38
yes and 10 ppl lost 2k, but everyone claims to make good money. you see the problem?
2020-09-23 16:12
maybe millionaire loose a million and 100 made 10 k . 1 loose 100 won
2020-09-23 16:47
yes keep believing
2020-09-23 16:54
bro poker is not gambling
2020-09-23 16:56
1) yes 2) bro we both know that "maybe millionaire loose a million and 100 made 10 k . 1 loose 100 won" , or you actually never played poker.
2020-09-23 16:58
what u talk, iam pokergod
2020-09-23 17:10
You need to be really good at poker to beat the high stakes gods, if you made 20k "in your entire life" i'm assuming you are playing poker for atleast 5 years(or otherwise you are a big liar, fishes always lose, no matter what, fishes never win) so you made 4k/year, that's not bad but you can't live with 4k/year, you can barely live with 5k/month.
2020-09-23 17:17
i play for around 15 years, but im not playing every year and every day, sure i could live from it, but than its no fun, to play 10 hrs a day 20 tables,
2020-09-23 17:41
doesnt matter, in germany its forbidden too, but the eu law allow it so u can use it legal when the site is in europe( 95% are in malta ) eu op
2020-09-23 14:37
And for non-finns here, this shitty monopoly also prevents sports and esports organizations having any betting related sponsors
2020-09-23 14:41
fuck Veikkaus' jews man
2020-09-23 14:49
Not gonna happen - or if it happens licenses will be handed out afterhand. Just a brainless move overall. Veikkaus is so fucking deeply integrated into the system (legal corruption), they will leave a big fucking hole in the system, people has been saying this for years and years. Too bad it only surfaced to the mainstream during the last year.
2020-09-23 15:05
Veikkaus is managed by the Finnish Ministry of Education. finnish education stronk
2020-09-23 15:16
Next, ban foreign religions.
2020-09-23 16:08
#257
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Finland R3ALMM
So every religion. Would be cool actually
2020-09-23 20:37
Yes
2020-09-23 20:38
they will probably get license . Same thing happened to Greece. OPAP is the monopoly company at betting stores. That company clear robber in odds BUT if you win a large amount you will get the money. As for betting sites . Some left the Greek market and others got license to offer their services. BUT the important thing is that all betting sites have their HQ in Malta or other money laundering countries ,that provides them legal cover to do whatever they want with your winnings/bets/account...
2020-09-23 16:22
#214
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Finland 7ones
It is good, the wealth doesn't leave the country so much. Aren't the going to break the Veikkaus monopoly?
2020-09-23 17:04
I will just use skrill then
2020-09-23 17:13
#231
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Germany R1AN
can y use qiwi.com/ in finland?
2020-09-23 17:25
I don't know. I've never heard of it.
2020-09-23 17:35
#240
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Germany R1AN
almost everyone in cis countries use this site for online shopping and money transfers. there everything is easy and done in one click. y can try it if y want, great chance that you will like it. but I'm not sure if it is available in your country (the wallet is linked to a number)
2020-09-23 17:39
#230
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Germany R1AN
can y use qiwi.com/ in finland?
2020-09-23 17:24
#256
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Finland R3ALMM
What is that?
2020-09-23 20:35
#260
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Germany R1AN
just find and try it
2020-09-23 21:10
#262
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Finland R3ALMM
some shady Russian site won't trust with my bank info
2020-09-23 21:14
#263
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Germany R1AN
2020-09-23 21:19
#264
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Finland R3ALMM
That empty page just makes it look more shady tbh
2020-09-23 21:43
#265
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Germany R1AN
ok just keep using trashpal, payeer, webmoney etc
2020-09-23 21:44
#266
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Finland R3ALMM
those ones won't steal and sell my bank info
2020-09-23 21:45
#267
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Germany R1AN
what info bro???? idk what "bank info" mean... btw giving any info to some pay sites - already weird
2020-09-23 21:47
#269
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Germany R1AN
okay, I understand your point of view. I personally did not have any problems, the balance had a maximum of $1,500. if these reviews are true, then I feel sorry for these people and it's strange to see
2020-09-23 21:54
It's a smart move. Keeping the lost betting money inside national borders. Betting in itself is stupid as fuck though.
2020-09-23 17:32
but bad odds, veikkaus does not even have live blackjack/roulette
2020-09-23 18:58
#255
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Finland R3ALMM
go to Helsinki Casino for those games odds are def shit though
2020-09-23 20:35
odds are supposed to be bad, that's how betting companies make money :D
2020-09-24 11:57
Less kids stealing moms credit card xd
2020-09-23 17:38
I despise Finland and every city here. 🤬🤬
2020-09-23 17:41
#254
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Finland R3ALMM
Thank you Venezuela
2020-09-23 20:34
Who even deposits from bank account anyway LOL? Thats one way to fuck up ur credit rating when they see gambling on your account statements xD
2020-09-23 17:47
rip brothers :/
2020-09-23 19:05
Deserved. Gambling is a disease. Shout-out to finnic government.
2020-09-24 10:18
Used Neteller back in 2008 already. Granted it’s been a nice 10 years or so gambling-wise, and you still don’t have to pay any taxes on your winnings. Sucks that Paypal or whatever you use take a small fee for every time you use em, so it cuts into your winnings buuuut then again it’s free money so fuck everything and fuck it again.
2020-09-24 10:27
Finland communist country
2020-09-24 10:36
I understood that they are banning only paf. No way they can ban everysite as a whole. sijoitustieto.fi/sijoitusartikkelit/mari..
2020-09-24 10:37
They are blocking direct payments from our bank accounts to foreign betting sites... Middle mens)) can be used like Skrill so... The law is kinda for nothing
2020-09-24 15:13
#280
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Ukraine Dert38
gj
2020-09-24 12:42
Gambit
1.21
HellRaisers
4.22
Natus Vincere
1.28
Espada
3.50
BIG
1.69
FaZe
2.12
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Amount of money to be placed
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