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Is famas > m4 ?
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Lithuania M0rkiz 
So lets think about it for a Minute! The CT Economy is much Harder than the Economy of t Side. So If you buy a famas in a buy rounsld, instead of m4, you spare 800$ that you can use for utility/Kit. But m4 is much better? Famas and m4 have the Same firerate of 666 and you need to Hit the Same amount of shots on enemies to Take them down. Ofc U have only 25bullets in mag, but does anybody really use all the bullets. In Higher Ranks you are pretty much Always dead, If you dont kill the enemy with First 15-20 bullets. So i wanted to ask, why is everyone prefering the m4 in buy rounds??
2020-09-27 15:57
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Famas spray pattern is weird af
2020-09-27 15:58
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Philippines GreatBen
Bc you are noob
2020-09-27 15:59
#57
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United States Jaksin
+1
2020-09-27 22:55
#60
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Turkey TheKaiser
he's right tho
2020-09-27 22:58
If u are awper buy famas if not M4 is better, not +800$ worth but still better
2020-09-27 15:58
I guess because the MP9 is just so strong and another degree cheaper from a famas
2020-09-27 16:01
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Lithuania M0rkiz
Mp9 is great, but Not for Long range against ak great.
2020-09-27 16:04
yes, for longer ranges the famas indeed comes in hand
2020-09-27 16:29
I learned to burst so well with the mp9 that it’s not even bad long range. Just fire 3 bullets with a very short interval and you will 100% hit the head 3 times if you aim right
2020-09-27 17:46
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Sweden quacke
It's decent at medium-long range and open spaces like mirage mid. But I would never use it from Ivy to Main on Train or Dust 2 mid. That's too long of a range.
2020-09-27 23:07
#5
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Philippines EDBX
Less damage, annoying spray, less usable distance (I think.), slower reload, and I do need my 30 bullets for fast engagements where I can unpeek, but no time to reload.
2020-09-27 16:01
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North America toxicthegod
this+1
2020-09-27 16:03
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Lithuania M0rkiz
Its Just slightly less damage (33/30), BUT you need the Same amount of bullets to Take an enemy down.
2020-09-27 16:04
Famas loses damage with distance i think (deffinetly had some games with 76 in 5 in long range) also famas was terrible at wallbanging (dont know if fixed) and dinks are weaker at range, Famas is very viable weapon but its deffinetly weaker than m4 (not taking money or spray pattern or ammo count into consideration)
2020-09-27 16:08
#66
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Sweden quacke
Yeah I think the damage dropoff is the main disadvantage. It could be viable on Vertigo or Inferno though. More chokey, close-range maps.
2020-09-27 23:08
Yup dmg drop off is fucked on famas. U can dink + hit upper body and not do 100 dmg from like conn to lower on train. Same range m4 and even galil ez kill :()
2020-09-27 23:20
2020-09-28 01:01
if it had the same damage dropoff as m4 ( , which is actually retarded on famas because it uses almost the same bullet (famas Type O which is earlier version of US M193) but Famas has longer barrel than m4 carbine which would make it more powerfull in real world. (longer barrel > more preasurre > more energy > more power. mostly results in higher penetration)) Famas would be good
2020-09-28 01:01
Famas barrel length - standar issue 19,2 inch 488mm M4 carbine barrel length - 14,5 inch, 368mm
2020-09-28 01:03
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Sweden quacke
Yeah unfortunately CS isn't known for it's super-realistic weapon stats. M4A1 with 25 bullets, Tec-9 with 18, CZ75 with a weird ass deploy time, Five-SeveN being 1-shot HS but M4 is not etc. I could go on and on. But it's important for game balance.
2020-09-28 01:26
I get balancing issues but cmon famas is weak compared to mp9 and galil which its competing against, and mp9 isnt even that storng its just that famas is that bad...
2020-09-28 01:27
In which case you can just use the Mp9
2020-09-28 01:16
#79
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Sweden quacke
Eh, the MP9 will not be as effective across the entire map. A ramp on Vertigo for example, or from top banana to ramp on Inferno. That's the perfect range for the FAMAS. The MP9 is very viable but it needs to be used in a particular way, mobile and close range. Waiting for a push on top banana or running down 2nd mid. On Inf or Vertigo you'd be able to use the FAMAS in exactly the same way as you would an M4 and probably get similar results.
2020-09-28 01:23
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Maldives Valorant
cause u cant multikill with famas
2020-09-27 16:02
#8
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Lithuania M0rkiz
Why can't you multikill??
2020-09-27 16:03
#21
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Nepal hpbaxx
because you pick up the AK after the 1st kill
2020-09-27 16:16
+1
2020-09-27 17:24
#61
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United Kingdom _xC4ctus
+1
2020-09-27 22:59
+1
2020-09-28 02:02
I've had sick famas spray transfers tho, I sprayed a guy down a main then killed palace and transfered to tetris
2020-09-27 16:05
#23
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Slovakia Daev0n
A main is ramp?
2020-09-27 16:17
Top of ramp yes
2020-09-27 16:18
#28
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Slovakia Daev0n
thanks yoda
2020-09-27 16:18
Problem there isn't pay me in jelly beans you will
2020-09-27 16:24
Because the famas has noticeably worse accurracy than the M4 and the worst spray pattern in the game. imo MP9 > famas by far
2020-09-27 16:05
#31
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United Kingdom alcazar4
+1 mp9>> famas
2020-09-27 16:20
I dealt 99 in 8 once and never touched that piece of shit again
2020-09-27 16:05
maybe don't spray at ankles
2020-09-27 16:14
I spray on your moms ankles
2020-09-27 16:18
got em
2020-09-27 16:29
expected response from cunt2k fan
2020-09-27 16:56
damn
2020-09-28 01:48
rekt
2020-09-28 02:02
talking about high ranks while not being aware that the famas is wayyy inferior in probably the most important fact of a gun-> 1st shot accuracy. Did u know even the mp9 is better in that fact? at longer and even kinda medium distances its pure luck to hit the head with this crap source for people who create these kind of threads without obv even knowing the stats of these guns: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11tDzUNBq..
2020-09-27 16:07
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Lithuania M0rkiz
Where does this doc Sheet say about First Shot accuracy?
2020-09-27 16:14
"accurate range stand" and "accurate range crouch" -> basically the range you hit, in theory if the server is perfect, the head 100% of the times when you are aiming at it. this factor was btw after probably the rof the most op factor of the old Krieg. it had 34m or so
2020-09-27 16:17
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Lithuania M0rkiz
I am Just wondering, bcs I compared the results in the doc Sheet between Ak and famas and i didnt notice a bigger differences. Maybe you could Help me Out and explain it.
2020-09-27 16:17
what exactly do you mean? ak 21.74m famas 14.58m The ak is way more accurate even tho it is still kinda crap sometimes. if you ask me it should be way more accurate for a fullbuy rifle
2020-09-27 16:20
That would make it second kreig basically (for some players) Brollan was so deadly with krieg because he has really good aim and all he needed was 1 shot hs at range and better acuracy. If m4 did same damage as ak with its current acuracy brollan would probably show simmilar results as he did with krieg, just and example tho.
2020-09-27 16:30
well the scope + rof played a huge role aswell with the krieg and honestly, why should you rely on luck so often in a "sport"? If a player aims the head, he should get rewarded. If brollan is obv better at aiming heads, he deserves to be seen as a top tier player.
2020-09-27 16:34
He is seen as top player he is still really good with AK. Also i dont know if i watched too little of fnatic but i remember brollan basically tapping everybody with krieg so ROF didnt really help, i concede the scope point, but that mostly helped players like karrigan or chrisj or golden (imo). And yes i hate the randomness but when i look at CT economy buffing T side doesnt really look smart right now.
2020-09-27 16:37
M4s would need a buff in that regard too obv. I hate it when valve tries to "balance" the game with RNG, which they have done so often. If it really showed that a 1st shot buff on the main rifles is so hard in the t-side`s favor (which i doubt), valve could still look for other ways of balancing, without putting so much luck into the server.
2020-09-27 16:43
Well to put it like this i agree with you but its not the right time for AK buff
2020-09-27 16:48
Its probably not the most needed change atm but it would improve the game imo
2020-09-27 16:50
They could fix the fucking bugs already... or molotov inconsistency
2020-09-27 17:26
+1 molotovs are soo fuckin shite at times :D
2020-09-27 17:38
You are in the smoke but dying to molotov... great
2020-09-27 17:46
ping speed, range is no good, mid range almost same result ussually,
2020-09-27 16:08
mp9 > famas
2020-09-27 16:15
no
2020-09-27 16:15
#22
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Lithuania M0rkiz
Seems fair. Good argument
2020-09-27 16:16
honestly his argument is 10 times better than yours.
2020-09-27 16:35
#55
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Lithuania M0rkiz
+1111
2020-09-27 22:54
#30
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Slovakia Daev0n
Damn I almost got convinced by the OP but your argument changed my point of view.
2020-09-27 16:20
m4a4>Famas>m4a1-s
2020-09-27 16:21
fix the burst fire, the only reason to use the gun. return it to 1.6 values and it will have its place again.
2020-09-27 16:23
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1
2020-09-27 17:18
i never forget the instance of Discodoplan. anyone can you the clip? 4kill in mirage. awesome
2020-09-27 16:32
the spray is aids
2020-09-27 16:44
#48
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Ukraine Dert38
If famas > m4 ?
2020-09-27 17:19
The biggest difference is the dmg dropoff, the minimum dink dmg with an m4 is 81 (or 78) I believe, while the famas can go as low as 54 on long distance. So in essence the famas could put you in a scenario where a headshot + bodyshot is not enough if the distance is long enough.
2020-09-27 17:43
Cache connector to boost and train connector to lower is already long enough for that. Source: trust me bro i tried :()
2020-09-27 23:24
famas better than m4a1-s
2020-09-27 22:55
famas is better than m4a4 but worse than m4a1-s
2020-09-27 22:56
0/8
2020-09-27 23:23
Famas on long range just sucks too much. On dust 2 especially.
2020-09-27 22:58
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North America TorrN_
Years of the "M4 vs AK" that's been build can't be undone. also Famas has a strange recoil pattern, more similar to the Galil than the M4 overall post 5/8 - I don't think it's bait but not sure
2020-09-27 23:02
ez for galil cheaper and more bullet Famas abit weird , budjet rifle , if not mp9 and stay close range MP9 + more utilities is always better but M4 bestest .
2020-09-27 23:18
famas has limited range, when m4 you can use all over the map, if you have famas against pro who has m4 you have 0 chance to win atleast 1 round. And m4 with silencer is so easy to control even for average player its so deadly
2020-09-27 23:04
m4a1-s has the same lethality as a toy gun
2020-09-27 23:04
silver has spoken, m4 is so accurate even when i was gold nova people would get mad i use m4-s, it has crazy accuracy if you are well trained, with ak you can miss so much shots sometimes its not even funny, ofcourse when its your day ak is like awp alternative but when its not m4 will do the job
2020-09-27 23:10
I even asked one time whats better galil or famas, everyone said galil, gg :D i mean famas is ok but cmon m4 in long run will be way better, if you change weapons all the time you not using all the power m4 has, you dont get enough skill to use it properly.
2020-09-27 23:14
famas is a glorified smg so no
2020-09-27 23:22
its my favorite gun
2020-09-28 01:12
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Japan dayyum
u dont spray with the famas, just aim for the head and burst. m4 has an easier pattern that u can use to ur advantage.
2020-09-28 01:29
2020-09-28 01:43
#85
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Switzerland f3ni_
Nah. The M4 is more suitable in different situations
2020-09-28 01:55
I really miss famas burst from 1.6...
2020-09-28 02:03
+1
2020-09-28 02:03
98 in 2 hits
2020-09-28 02:03
Just no
2020-09-28 02:03
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