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Universal Basic Income
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Finland TuureBoelius 
Do you support UBI? If yes, what would be a good amount of money that would be given to everyone for free every month in your country? I personally think that 1000-1200€ would be a good amount for Finland. /discuss
2020-09-28 22:38
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idk about other countries but in brazil should receive 0$. the poor people here are poor because they want to.
2020-09-28 22:39
imagine being that dumb.
2020-09-28 22:40
first day in hltv?
2020-09-28 22:41
Yes, my acc is brand new m8.
2020-09-28 22:42
name doesn't check out
2020-09-28 22:42
dont assume things. all ppl around me that worked hard succeeded, meanwhile ppl like me, with no ambition, remained poor. it's just facts, around here you don't need to go to a decent school and take the best scores to have success, all you have to do is work.
2020-09-28 22:47
I'm sorry but as a brazilian I must say fuck you. (not actually sorry)
2020-09-28 22:48
prove me wrong instead of go full retard
2020-09-28 23:19
I don't have to prove anything to you and you already went full retard. If you really have this mindset the only thing I can say for you is actually 'fuck you'. Small minded people tend to generalize in order to make their own point of view credible. I'm not the one to teach you this, but don't worry.. life eventually will.
2020-09-28 23:23
4 lines and 0 arguments. oh well, i dont know why i try.
2020-09-28 23:24
Argument for what? What is there to argue with someone that thinks that poverty is a state of mind?
2020-09-28 23:28
i see nothing wrong with it, why do you think it is so bad/wrong?
2020-09-28 23:29
Simply because this is not how it works. If what you said is true, we would have a pretty defined route out of poverty that everyone could follow. Now go ask the opinions of those trying on daily basis and not making it. You seem to be regurgitating things that rich people that think that they succeeded on their own (when their parents payed for education or at least payed for everything else for the kid to focus on studying only) says to justify what they don't understand. What gets someone out of poverty is 'foundations'. If you have to work full time to have a roof over your head, you already lack 2 of the basics, being money and time. If you have money, you can create time.. if you have time, you can create money. If you lack both, your only focus is to surive and this consumes both time and money.
2020-09-28 23:38
we would not have a defined route out of poverty i mean who would take the initiative? UN? i dont need to ask them, their actions talk by themselves, they all have the same mindset of being pessimist and as lazy as possible im not regurgitating, it's personnel experience. i saw my brother (guy didnt even finish highschool), my friends, my classmates succeeding and they all started life with lower budget than me and now ive been left behind because i have the mindset of mediocrity invest your time in work and you'll get the money, day has 24 hours, you can spend 16 working and taking at least 2000$ in the end of the month
2020-09-29 01:43
Haha im glad we left UE.
2020-09-28 22:40
uroean enion
2020-09-28 22:55
this is how brits pronounce it?
2020-09-28 23:23
made me lol, ty
2020-09-28 23:26
I think it will be completely necessary at some point, but I don't know if it would work now
2020-09-28 22:40
Dont know mens. For some people 32k/month is not enough
2020-09-28 22:40
#6
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Brazil IsFree
I think its a good thing, helps distributing wealth so that the country develops faster, at the cost of a slower moving economy (you can't spam out quasi-slave factories everywhere to attract foreign capital like china and india do)
2020-09-28 22:40
N whos gonna pay?? Pretty sure developed countries wont pay to poor countries ..
2020-09-28 22:41
i support this #5000% with full money printing too
2020-09-28 22:42
Free money generates unemployment. Altough I know that a lot of people that does need it will benefit from it, we can't systematically separate those who can't from those who won't and this will just create another form of distribution problems. If you really want to aid poor people, givem them education and basic needs, not money.
2020-09-28 22:46
#15
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North America Swboy1010
So should a toilet cleaner get payed the same amount as an Army General?
2020-09-28 22:51
No, obviously not? That's not what UBI is about.
2020-09-28 23:18
stupid idea, drug addicts will just waste it on drugs instead of giving cash, they should make quality of education higher, give healthcare cheaper, give food stamps, give cheap or temporarily free housing, etc.
2020-09-28 22:52
I agree with you (#12) BUT, we had in BR a food voucher system - the addicts took the food (regular, powdered milk, diapers, and other basic needs items) and traded for drugs.
2020-09-28 22:59
#22
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North America Swboy1010
Things like these will never work, that is why we need more rehabs to open, give money to them instead of the druggies so they can buy more drugs. Or better yet make rehab mandatory for all registered drug addicts.
2020-09-28 23:23
Rehab is for durg addicts and this brings a whole new set of problems. Not every poor/homeless is a drug addict or acoholic or have mental issues.. Take for example that some homeless people have dogs, sometimes a partner and kids. On those shelters, they almost never allow pets and male/female are put in separate facilities, so this kind of people often reject those kind of care.
2020-09-28 23:26
#35
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North America Swboy1010
That is why I said registered drug abusers.
2020-09-28 23:31
UBI would cause massive inflation and put a huge burden on a country's economy - where are they going to get all that money to spend on UBI?
2020-09-28 23:21
For example Iran has made a type of UBI work pretty well
2020-09-28 23:26
UBI would only work if the finance system as we know it comes to and end and they push further some kind of digital currency where everyone gets like 1k every start of the month.
2020-09-29 22:01
UBI needs to be small enough that you can't live off it alone, but large enough that it's actually a worthwhile scheme. A good amount for the UK would be like £100 per week
2020-09-28 23:28
No, and any assistentialism program is a violation of REAL Inherent human rights.
2020-09-28 23:28
I did my Bachelors thesis about how UBI’s have been tried in developing countries, and generally in experiments that have been done there indicate that the effects are actually really positive, and poor people actually spend the money they recieved very reasonably. However, I’m really not sure that this would be applicable to poor people in general.
2020-09-28 23:29
Don't know what countries the studies were in but in American I'm sure most of the people here would blow it on wood and shit they do not need which is why I say it is a bad thing. If it were to happen, there should be a requirement to receive it such as having graduated college or to only allow the money be spent on necessities.
2020-09-28 23:49
i did my phd thesis about ubi and my conclusion is: UBI = bad
2020-09-29 22:18
I'm generally against it. Im not trying to be heartless, but I think in the countries where this option is currently being discussed, the people who may need it have other means of getting financial support
2020-09-28 23:30
30% lower than average salary in a country but also requirement - finished university
2020-09-28 23:37
#38
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Switzerland retard2k
It could work for a country of a million but a country of 100m it can get very sketchy
2020-09-28 23:40
Why would it change with more people?
2020-09-29 21:56
I agree with #3, I think it will be necessary at some point but considering the amount of people on the planet, I have no idea how that would actually work (if it even could?)
2020-09-28 23:43
It would be done nationally, not globally. When UBI was suggested in Switzerland, the Swiss thought that 2.5k Swiss francs (around €2.3k) a month would be a good amount. Only a few countries would be able to afford that.
2020-09-29 21:29
Yes, but where would the money come from? It can't come from taxes obviously because the people that pay the tax would not be ok with paying everyone elses salary. UBI demands some form of communism, if you ask me. People would probably lose interest in studying and working if you get paid either way. I'm pretty sure that a lot of people around the world are not that interested in making a lot of money, they just want to get by and not worry about money.
2020-09-29 21:56
No, why are we as a people going to pay more taxes to support shit heads who are gonna blow the money on drugs and shit they don't need
2020-09-28 23:46
nt andrew
2020-09-29 21:32
Yes, yes and yessir. Fak these thiefs we call bilionairs. More like bilionLIARS.
2020-09-29 21:35
i think this is the future but it will also come with alot of restriction and rationated things.
2020-09-29 21:59
yes 1000 euros for starter, + 250 per children under 18
2020-09-29 22:15
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