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Is starix right???
Stewie2K | 
United States tatsumi 
although the guys a cunt I think he has a point about cheating in the pro scene. its 100% possible to cheat on lan, chrisJ said it himself: there aint enough evidence to point fingers but I feel like there’s def some people in the scene who cheat. as long as theres money involved people will do anything to win, even if its just by a tiny amount. tournament organizers let pros bring their own equipment, where they can sneak some cheats in. if a pro was to cheat then they def both have the commitment and money to afford expensive private cheats by REALLY good coders. i feel like tournament organizers at the very least are aware of this and they try to cover it up to save their reputations. not to mention, their cheat defense is unreliable. look at forsaken for example. he got away for THAT long using a fucking $5 public cheat on lan. in fact, it wasn’t even the anti cheat that caught him, it was fucking windows defender. if you can get away with a $5 public cheat for that long imagine how easy it is to use a $500+ private cheat
2020-09-29 16:23
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Germany NotJuan
in starix we trust
2020-09-29 16:23
No we dont
2020-09-30 11:30
i dont trust cheaters so no
2020-09-30 12:18
Respect starix, not easy to take negativity and go on, Wish I can become like starix
2020-09-29 16:23
+8888 All these swedisissies hating on him just because he pointed out flusha Fr i think valve knew about flusha and jDubs cheating but didnt do a thing to keep their name
2020-09-29 18:34
He cheated himself, just saying
2020-09-30 07:49
any evidence?
2020-09-30 13:18
As a coach ofc, why not as a player also knowing his morale now
2020-09-30 14:23
big diffrence between using smth the game provides ( the bug) and installing smth to cheat with.
2020-09-30 15:11
Imo its different too but in the end both are about taking unfair advantage over the opposition aka cheating
2020-09-30 15:27
2020-09-30 18:34
thats like saying a murder and someone who had a fistfight in a pub are criminals
2020-09-30 19:04
More like a planned snitching vs snitching when u think u cant get caught, neither acceptable imo
2020-09-30 19:16
flag checks out #1 bug-abuse country of the world
2020-09-30 19:01
valve is very big on being against cheating by permabanning players, but when it comes to actual anticheat security they're very lazy. not only that, but at events like the major, the players are actually allowed to bring in their own equipment. its not only wrong, but it's fucking dumb. situation is almost like being allowed to bring in your own drinks to a sports event-- they just do a visual inspection and say it's okay, but then the drink is laced with a powerful stimulant.
2020-09-30 08:04
Can't really force someone to use a different mouse as the one you're used to. Just got a brand new mouse today, took me 3 games and I'm still not as accurate as I was with my old one.
2020-09-30 08:22
they're not going to be using a different mouse. they're going to use the same model, but this one mouse is going to be kept by the organizer. to be honest i've been using the same brand of mouse and same model for years with mostly the same dpi and polling settings and everytime i bought a new one i felt more accurate.
2020-09-30 08:57
You're expecting TOs to have every mouse brand in the back for each pros?? lmaoo
2020-09-30 08:58
yes, why not? we're not talking about some local lan event. we're talking about a small investment from the organizer to ensure fair play. the professional players send their requirements to the organizer and they will order it online or get it straight from the manufacturer, if they are a sponsor for the event. if we're talking about events like the major this shouldn't be a huge issue. if riot games can do it, so can valve in the majors. ACTUALLY we can flip things around a little. we can have the professional player pay for the equipment himself (he receives the bill for his gear from the TOs), but he has no access to it. there are so many ways to do this. either way we can't have them playing on their own gear. as long as they are doing it every player in the professional scene is suspect.
2020-09-30 09:06
But then we wouldnt have sick plays cuz nobody would have cheats
2020-09-30 09:29
Exactly lolll
2020-09-30 09:55
there would be sick plays, but not just as often.
2020-09-30 10:07
Maybe baby
2020-09-30 12:16
Would also need to keep keyboards in stock for the players, but I agree with your overall sentiment!
2020-09-30 13:45
Sweden quacke
The VAC anticheat isn't designed to ban a lot of cheaters, it's designed to make sure that every ban is a valid cheating ban. Other ACs have a wider range, but they will also ban a lot of innocent users. VAC is deliberately designed to not ban any innocent users. It's not lazy, it's a design choice. EDIT: I don't necessarily disagree with your statement I just wanted to add that detail to the discussion. A lot of people think the VAC is shit and "needs fixing" because there are a lot of sneaky cheaters that don't get banned, but in reality it's working exactly as intended.
2020-09-30 11:30
no anticheat by a major company would ban you, if you were just running the normal software the TYPICAL END-USER would run. at the point you're fucking stupid enough to run memory altering programs while playing csgo or using any type of injector (graphics, etc.) you kind of deserve to be banned as a learning exercise. valve's fantasy: vac is fair and working as intended. valve's reality: vac is garbage and the firm does not want to invest. valve's question to community: how can we make this game better for you? valve's solution: ah, here's a new lootbox and a new type of skin that will only serve to make the gameplay worse by introducing pay to win camouflage. (agent models)
2020-09-30 13:29
Sweden quacke
That's exactly why VAC works the way it works. Other ACs, like BattlEye or Faceit AC, will conflict with other 3rd party softwares and hand out false punishments. I'm not saying VAC deliberately ignores cheats, I'm saying that it does not automatically ban you for using certain 3rd party software. Again, yes BattlEye and Faceit will ban more cheaters, but they will not have a 99.99% accuracy in their bans, which VAC has. VAC is fair. Like I said, almost 100% of all VAC bans handed out are deserved. There are no unfair bans. The firm has actually invested A LOT into anticheat measures, it's just not that known in the public eye. VACnet is a deep-learning AI that learns from Overwatch cases to detect and automatically ban blatant cheaters faster. If someone is spinbotting, chances are VACnet will ban them faster than the Overwatch system could. Not to mention Prime, Trust Factor, Overwatch, and now Trusted Mode, all of them measures against cheating put in place by Valve to increase it's effectiveness. I can agree that, yes, they could have made a much more effective AC system, but it would not be as accurate. And to say they haven't invested is plainly wrong, though their investments might not have been as successful as you wanted them to. Nearly all of Valve's game improvements are based off community feedback. The only two things I can recall that the public often speaks about that hasn't been implemented is Source 2 and 128 tick MM. Valve have said a Source 2 port would be an extreme hassle for very little improvement, so it is unnecessary. About 128 tick I'm not sure, but the statistical data suggests there is not much of a noticeable difference between the two. About skins, Valve needs to strike a balance between catering to the competetive side of the game and the casual players. There are a lot more casual players than competetive ones. The reality of CS:GO is that most peiple care a lot about skins. They need to add skins to keep the game afloat and keep the player numbers up. As for the player skins, I think they've done a good job of patching them. Not much else to it, I think if they introduce even more ones it could be a well implemented feature and a good way to customize your experience even more.
2020-09-30 14:19
Yeah, with flusha, Subroza, leaf, etc. on the scene everyone hates on Jamppi and v$m that used like a free wallhack when they were 11.
2020-09-30 13:01
ikr, testing things out is just normal for youth. i wish more people understood that valve doesn't have any ethics. it's very literally a cutthroat company that'll sell kids pornographic games, if they're allowed to do it.
2020-09-30 13:23
ure wrong, not all. but wait, im not a fan of the se. only f0rest and gtr is two se legends, these 2 guys are great. atm u are talking about just abusers of bugs and other unfair play.
2020-09-30 11:36
Brazil ghcnvbkn
i agree with #1
2020-09-29 16:24
i agree with #3
2020-09-30 07:55
i disagree with #36
2020-09-30 15:50
he's just deflecting.
2020-09-29 16:25
not enough evidence? flusha had a ton of clips where he cheated 100% the only anticheat they have on lan is the esea anticheat whatever the fuck its called and it came out in 2017 or something like that, after floosha won a major he became invinsible from any kind of ban cus if he gets banned the game dies instantly
2020-09-29 16:25
i didn’t count flusha cuz he was obvious asf
2020-09-29 16:27
+8 lmao
2020-09-29 18:34
why do people keep saying that? sc1 / sc2 had some of the greatest players caught match fixing and the game didn't die. sc1 you had savior who was considered a "bonjwa" - basically a legendary player status that only a few players had achieved. he got banned for life and all his titles stripped away and he was sentenced to community service & 2 years probation. that didn't kill sc1 in the slightests. blizzard did their best to kill sc1 but still couldn't. sc2 you had life who was a prodigy of sorts and won a bunch of tier 1 tournaments. dude got 3 years in jail for match fixing. did that change anything in the scene? nope. if the current fnatic in it entirety got perma banned nobody would give a damn. obviously it would be bad for the scene but i fail to see how it would kill the game.
2020-09-29 16:56
isnt sc1 and 2 comepletely dead
2020-09-29 17:48
kinda, but not exactly. more importantly it has nothing to do with cheating / match fixing / any other kind of drama. bw basically died because blizzard wanted it to die. KESPA didn't want to switch to sc2 so blizzard had to threaten with legal action over broadcasting rights. eventually KESPA did switch to sc2 but that was kinda late and sc2 was losing momentum. KESPA switching to sc2 kinda killed off BW for a while, or at the very least disrupted the scene, while the switch didn't really help sc2 that much. funnily enough when sc2 started dying it caused a resurgence in broodwar with some pros going back. anyway, there are still GSLs for sc2 and ASLs for sc1 so the scene is still alive, but not as prestigious as it was back in the day. a lot of it thanks to lizzard getting greedy and trying to milk the esport scene that they didn't really create.
2020-09-29 18:25
Can you explain the acronyms a bit? Not really a sc fan. Interesting bit from you nonetheless.
2020-09-30 07:45
It's like what valve did in like, 2014 with CSGO, prohibiting CS 1.6 and CS:S tournaments and obligating everyone to compete in CS:GO
2020-09-30 12:58
Damn. That's really unfortunate man. Any particular reason people didn't switch to sc2? Was there no significant improvement in sc2 compared to sc1?
2020-09-30 13:21
Idk, just understood what he said But it must have been for the same reasons people don't switched to CS:GO, it's because they want a stable game, because adapting is hard. Even CS:GO is stable, idk why these guys are worried. Like, look at COD, changes every year and the guys are absolute beasts. Maybe it's better, they regain the motivation.
2020-09-30 15:08
i've written a wall of text but then realized it wasn't very coherent and i wasn't sure if you'd bother reading all of that. then i found an article that pretty much summarized the same thing more eloquently. mind you it's not up to date but i think it's good enough to explain the overall situation; i'll also explain the acronyms, hope it helps :) BW - broodwar, a starcraft 1 expansion. basically another name for sc1 KESPA - korean esport organization. they managed sc1 scene in SK including organizing tournaments, broadcasting, player and team representation etc. GSL - global starcraft league. it was initially called GOMTV starcraft league and was organized by GOMTV. eventually GOMTV sold the rights to afreecaTV which from what i understand is like the korea twitch. i guess they didn't want to change the name because GSL is an established brand and known as the most prestigious sc2 tournament. ASL - afreecaTV starcraft league. same thing like GSL but for sc1. both are currently run by afreecaTV. back in sc1 era before sc2 came out KESPA ran the proleague which was named depending on the broadcaster. you had OSL - ongamenet starcraft league and MSL - MBCGame starcraft league.
2020-09-30 17:06
Appreciate the info man. Harsh luck for sc scene i suppose.
2020-10-01 12:02
Blizzard is such a fuckfest of a company lmao I had no idea they were this fucking douchey with StarCraft but it's so hilarious how they were trying so hard to artificially create their own big eSport game like they did with Overwatch
2020-09-30 08:01
Although I do agree with the overall sentiment in your response, I would have to disagree regarding the Savior. Many are crediting his actions to downfall of BW, especially since a lot of sponsors backed away from the game since the scandal, and a lot of pros got banned, not just Saviour. The game really took a hit there from which it didn't fully recover.
2020-09-30 09:44
lol what. life's matchfixing pretty much killed the sc2 scene in korea. kespa lost so many sponsors. that shit was all over the news/media in korea. sponsors didnt want to touch sc2 after that.
2020-09-30 19:00
sc2 was never as popular as bw in korea, no matter how much blizzard wanted it to be. OSL / MSL stopped broadcasting sc in 2012. why didn't they broadcast sc2 if it was so popular until life's matchfixing which happened in 2015? the game was on a steady decline anyway for many reasons. the match fixing didn't help but were it not to occur i doubt the game would be in a different place today. saying it killed the scene is an over-exaggeration. it's not like the scene is completely dead either.
2020-10-01 00:38
Clips are still not proof
2020-09-30 08:26
but they are evidence
2020-09-30 13:49
ppl forgot how difference flusha was back then. aimlocking and predicting enemy's exact position like there's no tomorrow and now he never does that
2020-09-30 16:28
he barks loudly about others to get attention off himself.
2020-09-29 16:26
How does it make sense? He only got more attention after he started talking about flusha's cheats.
2020-09-29 18:31
I'm sorry but what makes you believe ChrisJ of all people is cheating xd
2020-09-29 18:35
I believe he's referring to starix getting attention off himself not chris?
2020-09-29 18:41
Yeah I'm dumb. Nvm.
2020-09-30 07:23
No I think he just worded it super weirdly, should've said "to get attention towards himself or to himself" saying "off himself" would imply he doesn't want the intention when he made the accusation to gain clout on twitter
2020-09-30 14:58
Yeah maybe it was the weird grammar that put me off. Cheers.
2020-09-30 18:29
flag checks out
2020-09-30 07:29
flag XD
2020-09-30 08:14
obv u can cheat even on majors i think, its possible to Intregrate cheats in devices with settings like "aim activates only near head"
2020-09-29 16:27
Nah i think times of obvious locks are gone. You wont see flusha locks, shox locks or famous heni nuke ramp locks anymore. I think the cheats they use right now are subtle. Like a bit of help with spraying. Or something that makes shooting more accurate by just a bit, etc. Nothing crazy like aimbots or wallhacks
2020-09-30 09:55
Yeah man, like pros don't need this at all The games are won on details, like, everyone says MIBR is trash But if you compare like Astralis, with MIBR, with some t3 team the differences are small So, a little smoke transparency, less molotov blur, a little 5% spray on ak, a little sound to indicate where enemies are, etc. help A LOT
2020-09-30 12:55
Yep. But people think pros have full on wallhacks or aimbots. It doesnt work like dat. I mean, pros really do have thousands of hours in-game so they dont really need aimbots .
2020-09-30 15:43
DD | 
United States breasts
it's not really about whether or not flusha cheated , it's that valve knew but covered it up or whatever
2020-09-29 16:28
its possible, if flusha got caught cheating after winning a major then the entire pro scene would fall apart
2020-09-29 16:38
DD | 
United States breasts
maybe when did people start accusing flusha ?was it before or after kqly
2020-09-29 16:45
I think it was around the same time
2020-09-29 16:53
India markOreo
Nah, covering up a fact like that is more big of a risk, don't you think so?
2020-09-30 13:08
btw u can buy a4tech bloody mouse and buy soft for it, and u can FLASH extra keys on it and it will do all things which u flashed in it, u can flash ak spray pattern and it will always perfect with this key
2020-09-29 16:33
so in other words never whiff a spray.
2020-09-30 08:19
Wait, windows defender caught forsaken?!
2020-09-29 16:34
yeah there was a video about it ill send it to you if i find it
2020-09-29 16:45
yes, +1
2020-09-29 16:36
2020-09-29 18:29
starix is left
2020-09-29 18:38
no he's weird as fuck
2020-09-29 18:41
like rmn said there are a lot of pros that cheated in that time
2020-09-30 07:30
Flusha cheated 100% #bigstarixknew
2020-09-30 07:38
RpK | 
France pol44r
everyone is trolling and i love it.
2020-09-30 07:55
allowing players to bring their own equipment to lan is the biggest problem. events like the major should be able to afford to buy a mouse and keyboard for the participants. they can even sell it after, if they want to do so. you should only be allowed to bring your mousepad and not be allowed to plug in the equipment yourself. this is the most secure way possible to guarantee fair play for everyone involved. are the organizers professional debuggers? can they actually inspect a mouse or a keyboard and guarantee that it isn't doing anything it isn't supposed to and how would they even determine that?
2020-09-30 07:55
Yeah. The TOs could just ask the pros what equipment they want and bear the responsibility of providing it to them during tournaments only. They could even sell the equipment after the tournament is done by labelling each equipment with the name of pros who used it. Fans would love to get their hands on the equipment used by their fav pros.
2020-09-30 13:28
there are some diehard fans that would definitely want their hands on that gear. personally i don't see the appeal, but i know some people do.
2020-09-30 13:32
I think the idea is great, but if I recall correctly offline tournaments like ESL provide players with an SSD that they can use for the duration of the tournament. This SSD gets used by the player on the practice computers so that they can do their settings, configs and other stuff. This SSD is then taken and put in the 'tournament' computer when they have to play on stage. Thus providing the hardware for the players would not work as there is already access to the OS before the game.
2020-09-30 13:54
For sure theres cheating in pro cs. As u said it would exist even with less money involved. It has been there in every sports and compeitive games, why not in esports?
2020-09-30 07:56
it's especially prevalent in csgo. i can't go 5 matchmaking games without meeting a cheater sometimes. i find it amusing that valve permabans accounts and players, but yet does nothing to actually fight cheating. i guess they're just too busy selling porno games these days on steam.
2020-09-30 08:05
Well they made csgo free, thats how much they care about cheating in matchmaking ;D
2020-09-30 08:13
prime still costs money though so there's that. valve doesn't care though. i reported a person who i knew was developing cheats, but he's still not banned and this was a long time ago, so obviously someone already read the report and just thought whatever. it was obvious from his profile and he even had dozens of accounts in a group all named as he was, but they were mostly vac banned.
2020-09-30 08:18
37 coaches caught cheating and ppl really think no players are cheating aswell embarassing
2020-09-30 08:12
True, its just about time when a big named player gets caught
2020-09-30 08:14
I think the bug was Valve's fault, but if you remove some of the coaches that have plausible excuses, well-respected, etc. even then you have at least 10 coaches. Each coach coached at least 5 players. Like, at least 50 players cheating or supporting cheaters.
2020-09-30 12:49
well, if that's the case, mibr fans are also right in saying leaf cheated doesn't justify the death threats tho
2020-09-30 08:30
but they're right leaf's clips are like flusha's clips what surprised everyone is that leaf got like 10 clips in one BO3 flusha got 10 clips in like 20 events
2020-09-30 12:47
Yea i agree Def sus But death threats are stupid
2020-09-30 13:59
Oh yeah But it happens bcs of gambling Guerri told on his stories that when they lost Dreamhack Dallas semi-final some random chineses and russians started threatening him on DM
2020-09-30 15:09
Sending death threats not justified in any way
2020-09-30 15:11
Yes of course. What I said is that its not only the brazilians
2020-09-30 15:12
I didn’t say brazilians but ok
2020-09-30 15:13
I'm just prepared Toxic guys spawn in seconds here hahaaha I think we need a change of heart in our scene. Like, the most basic things are, xenophobia (brazilians vs. argentinians, americans vs canadians, europeans vs. russians, etc.), smurfing (breaking the MM system with a new account), toxicity (trolling, kicking players, etc.) and this whole gambling system, that fuels cheating, match-fixing and stream-sniping
2020-09-30 15:15
Basically 3/4 of csgo community —> toxic
2020-09-30 15:23
americans and canadians are super chill most of the time
2020-09-30 15:30
I'm not saying that there isn't anyone cheating nor that anyone is. But aslong as they don't find cheats on someones PC then they can't ban it since everyone should be seen as innocent until proven guilty.
2020-09-30 09:01
Russia VelsVivard
I only believe in cheaters who are banned, the others were so good that it seemed like they were cheating, another reason to praise them. Flusha must be laughing hard everyday scrolling through those ''flusha VAC'' topics on the web, I would too...
2020-09-30 09:10
Yugoslavia RiggedShit
Ofc there is cheaters even in tier1 teams its just too naive to think otherwise. Only kids and 0iq fanboys doesnt accept it.
2020-09-30 09:13
i believe in him tho he has been banned i dont think he had any idea what was happening when he faced the bug as reports say he did ask ESL what was it\ about flusha i feel the same he did cheat and was able to fool valve , valve decided not to confront him cus the integrity of the game will be harmed
2020-09-30 09:16
s1mple is a proven cheater yet valve did nothing. how about that?
2020-09-30 10:08
he had an esl wire ban not a sus cheat ban , there was no clips of him cheating just people accusing him after the bantime and he proved that he didnt cheat thats why he is there topping the charts i dont have any opinion for fliusha cheating , cus it was a long time back and dosent matter now i just agree with stairx saying he could be cheating never demanding flusha to be banned right now
2020-09-30 11:24
I agree man Being a hypocrite doesn't mean you're lying Starix cheating doesn't mean that flusha didn't cheated
2020-09-30 12:45
he was banned for cheating, don't confuse the issue. so in other words: s1mple is a proven cheater.
2020-09-30 13:12
how about you learn the whole situation and them reply
2020-09-30 14:06
you're just deflecting because he is your personal hero, thus unworthy of criticism. s1mple was banned for cheating. it is history, ergo he is a proven cheater. according to valve's logic once you're caught by their almighty cheat detector you're banned forever. s1mple was caught by ESL WIRE, which still makes him a proven cheater. anything i missed? oh, that's right. he wasn't banned in 1.6. this was already proven in 2015. there are archived webpages/locked hltv threads/reddits from 2015 that prove he was banned in csgo. he has LIED about this before, so your hero is used to lying.
2020-09-30 14:36
check my name and decide if i am a s1mple fan boi /closed
2020-09-30 14:49
deflecting again. it's irrelevant whether or not he is actually your personal hero. i just hurled that as an insult, because it demonstrates a sad fact about hero worship: people are willing to jump over fences for people they barely know. i don't care about your name: you're still defending someone who has been banned for cheating. in #56 you're calling flusha cheater, but he was NEVER BANNED. you only have suspicions. in #64 you're saying he didn't get banned for cheating, but it's already written in stone that he was actually banned for cheating. even s1mple has admitted to it. in #103 you're just deflecting because you have no arguments. in #110 deflecting again because you have no arguments. there's literally almost no difference between players like jamppi, v$m or any other. and s1mple. the difference is who handed the ban. ESL = more lenient, VALVE = executions s1mple is just a cheater who got lucky.
2020-09-30 15:06
First of all i never called him a cheater cus i dont have any proof Since starix is a pro player sure he must have seen something And s1mple got banned for cheating *accusations* and not any proof to prove it I am not deflecting i just dont have time to deal and think of this old crappy shit Esports is much bigger now i like it how its growing thats it. And what about now s1mple dominating would you say he is cheating now , cus NO he is just too good nothing else And i never called flusha a cheater I literally said i dont have any opinions om flusha cheating
2020-09-30 16:52
i said hero worship and it is sad. go back to #56 where you say and i quote: "about flusha i feel the same he did cheat and was able to fool valve , valve decided not to confront him cus the integrity of the game will be harmed" and in #146 you say you never called flusha a cheater? in #64 you say he had esl wire ban. wire is like VAC. it is an anticheat. .... just think back to what i said about hero worship in #113 you're 100% inconsistent in what you're saying.
2020-09-30 17:24
About that sentence i meant what starix says And the whole point was that starix ban dosent justify flusha didnt cheat
2020-09-30 18:24
starix was the originator of your claim. you can't just go around backtracking like this. it makes you look dishonest. it's kind of like me saying stupid shit and you copying me, but then in the end you claim that you didn't actually do it. this is illogical reasoning. also your point? starix ban doesn't have anything to do with flusha. it's just delicious irony that you call someone out for cheating, then you get banned yourself. i thought everyone understood that.
2020-09-30 18:50
Flusha was cheating 100%. Starix is right and unfortunately no one can prove it.
2020-09-30 09:16
+1 stupid people are witch-hunting Starix instead
2020-09-30 11:37
Big chance for him to not have used the coach bug. After guerri, RobbaN, (some coach that wasn't even with the team, I don't remember his name). Man RobbaN. If RobbaN's words don't mean nothing WHO IS STARIX? These guys don't know the difference between using a bug (exploit, but it's not that simple like they are saying, like, you don't press up up down down left right left right b a) and occouring a bug (absolutely Valve's fault, not coaches')
2020-09-30 12:42
2020-09-30 15:31
2020-09-30 18:28
its 100% possible to cheat on lan, f0rsaken proved it.
2020-09-30 11:26
+1 forsaken had admins watching him throughout the entire tounament and it took some fishy behavior being detected by their ac to really notify them that he was cheating
2020-09-30 15:32
I highly doubt their AC picked up the cheat, more likely that someone sent clips to their admins.
2020-09-30 16:39
It was windows defender
2020-09-30 18:28
depends on the LAN.
2020-09-30 11:35
neither right or wrong until some proof surfaces, chrisj saying that its "possible" for someone to cheat doesn't actually make it possible or likely that flusha cheated innocent until proven guilty no matter that type of statement is given by an unassociated party, no matter how relevant they are in the scene
2020-09-30 11:42
Yes but seeing so many pro players fell behind from that time and struggle to get up makes me wonder if someone really indeed used cheats.
2020-09-30 12:24
if people were sincerely blaming the lack of development in cs on "cheaters" then that is probably what inhibited growth of the scene you can only play this victim role for so long. The realty was just that some teams were better than others. Only when you work hard and find improvements can you change that
2020-09-30 12:30
people who thinks cs scene is legit also believes that corona is real Ddddddddddd
2020-09-30 12:33
That's what I say He accuses flusha and then everyone says "without proof" He goes to coach bug list "Oh hypocrite" What's the coach bug criteria: being bugged on some part of the map and moving the camera, like, the first thing you try is to press all buttons and move the camera What's the aimlock criteria: oh he didn't aimlocked, was pure luck, we don't have enough proof, and then /closed Maybe both are clean. Maybe both were cheating. We don't know.
2020-09-30 12:39
Good post. Strictly treating cheats as a possibility whilst also recognising the criteria of said claims.
2020-09-30 14:30
2020-09-30 15:10
+1 While I really do think that flusha cheated I am not going to call him a cheater, he is a good player and likely didnt need to use cheats to be good.
2020-09-30 15:35
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Sweden god_sdy
If you cheat on LAN you will get caught eventually. No ones ever cheated on LAN throughout an entire career without getting caught. Yeah it's possible to cheat on LAN, but we're not taking into account all the things that will happen to you if you get caught cheating on LAN. I'm pretty sure most professional orgs handle these things in clauses in player contracts. So essentially if you get caught cheating you're out of the org, no salary, no org/team will ever pick you up again and your career will be completely ruined. Just boggles my mind that people seriously think a guy like Flusha will throw away his legacy at any point in his career to "cheat". No one takes that risk unless you're a dirt poor indian like f0rsaken that saw a way out of his misery
2020-09-30 12:53
It is just the witch-hunting mentality in a nutshell. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it supposed to happen, top-tier players usually aren't that stupid. They really don't need to cheat and I assume they don't want to cheat either. Being witch-hunted is kind of like a badge of honour, I suppose. xD
2020-09-30 14:29
true but flusha probably stopped cheating after 2015 majority of his "evidence" was after 2015
2020-09-30 15:35
forsaken are example of cheating on lan. He might not have gotten with cheating, but the circumstances were different
2020-09-30 12:56
Germany Booya
Someone know the c0ncept? He explains how to detect Cheaters and anomalys Also talking about Lan Hax (what is absolutly possible) I dont know if his method is 100% proven, but when it is the whole fucking scene is hacking.
2020-09-30 13:05
Yeah I got into his videos like a month ago and it’s really interesting tbh
2020-09-30 18:34
This should not make it right to go unpunished
2020-09-30 13:07
starix is banned
2020-09-30 13:13
Yes, cheating is always possible and that is why it must always be treated as a possibility. Defaming professional players to witch-hunt is not treating cheating as a possibility, it's a blatant lack of disregard involving accusations and allegations of cheating. There is a difference...
2020-09-30 14:27
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2020-09-30 18:34
Are there any anti cheats on lan events? Cheating on mm is incredibly easy and VAC is a joke, cheating on faceit should be more difficult, but if someone is good enough, they can bypass anything.
2020-09-30 15:04
no there are no anti cheats on lan events every major has word.exe obviously
2020-09-30 15:36
2020-09-30 15:41
still dont get it come on my man
2020-09-30 15:42
it's word.txt, not word.exe, cmon men..
2020-09-30 15:49
Germany Booya
You still have Spin Bots on MM Servers, just let that sink ... the engine not even knows what is physically possible in the game, making 5 roations in 1 Second and do a one tap from A to B ... Spinning in 1 Second from T Spawn to Dust Short ... huh And forsaken was just busted because he was using the dumbest way possible and hes a stupid moron
2020-09-30 15:40
true but read #104 I think both you and him are right.
2020-09-30 15:44
Lol you don't have to tell me that, I was curious about it, so I tried making my own cheats. Boy, that was so freaking easy.........It was so sad seeing how easy it is to cheat, at least on VAC.
2020-09-30 16:18
United States NA1L_
100% pros have or currently cheat. There is 0% chance absolutely no one has not cheated on LAN. It's been proven you can cheat on LAN, it isn't easy for tier 1-2 LANS but it is 100% possible. I believe the pro scene is mostly clean but people who think the pro scene is 100% clean are completely ignorant.
2020-09-30 15:27
2020-09-30 15:36
No one thinks pro scene is 100 percent clean cause there are so many teams that you cant keep a count of but i believe that the top teams and some of tier 2 teams in LAN (heroic,big etc arent cheating)
2020-09-30 15:37
United States NA1L_
There are definitely people who refuse to believe that any player on any tier 1-2 team has ever cheated. They think its impossible to cheat on LAN for some obscure reason.
2020-09-30 16:28
2020-09-30 18:26
Russia ToughGuy
i mean if kqly cheated on lan then ofc there more who had cheat
2020-09-30 17:08
starix is right mouse lifters are pathetic cheaters lost all respect i had for floosha and shox
2020-09-30 18:33
flusha xiter
2020-10-01 00:41
"chrisj said it himself" is he a God to you?
2020-10-01 12:07
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