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NA CS funeral thread
BOOBIE | 
Canada JC_123 
Many NA pros have left the basically uninhabitable NA scene for Valorant. That includes a lot of the leaders which the scene has relied on in the past to produce new teams and bring up emerging talent. I'm thinking of FNS, Steel, Daps, Chet et al. Goodbye NA CS, you will be missed. Please share a memory of NA CS, or just your condolences.
2020-09-30 22:05
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I only know wifisfuneral.
2020-09-30 22:05
what's that
2020-09-30 22:08
Hltv user, wifisfuneral.
2020-09-30 22:08
good name I think I rate him 7/8
2020-09-30 22:08
+1, he was a good user. Now he's inactive.
2020-09-30 22:09
rapper
2020-10-01 20:58
#2
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Switzerland retard2k
good riddance to those shitters
2020-09-30 22:06
#3
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Russia Strikeshow
F
2020-09-30 22:06
#4
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Russia Unterzee
Valorant finally killed CSGO
2020-09-30 22:08
*NA scene
2020-09-30 22:13
Valulrant only killed the NA scene, where players don't play CS out of passion, but rather for fame
2020-09-30 22:13
at least we have a scene dogshit poland
2020-09-30 22:22
lol I'm fakeflagging but how does that even matter, name at least 3 polish players that have left CS for valulrant
2020-09-30 22:24
name one Polish top 30 team
2020-09-30 22:27
Poland population: 38 mil. USA population: 330 mil. 0/8
2020-09-30 22:32
1/10th the population 1/100000th the skill
2020-09-30 22:32
this is why I generalize people from your country, y'all are sheeplets hating on stuff for no reason, all I said was that Valulrant is only killing the NA scene also poland_1_major_usa_1_major, so your statement is once again wrong
2020-09-30 22:34
NA 5 top 30 teams Poland 0 top 30 teams
2020-09-30 22:37
NA population = PL population x 10 NA = 5 teams instead of the 10 expected if PL population = NA population, PL = NA x2 #41
2020-09-30 22:41
so stupid, 0 x 10 = 0
2020-09-30 22:41
so stupid, EU >>>>>>> NA if you wanna talk about that
2020-09-30 22:44
NA 1 number one team, EU 0 number one team
2020-09-30 23:21
EG farming points in NA lol, invite EG to a Nine to Five tournament and watch them not win it
2020-09-30 23:22
rekt
2020-10-02 17:05
#149
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Poland n1ello
+1
2020-10-02 17:08
since when the hltv rankings are reliable??? KKKKKKKKK
2020-09-30 22:42
Yep mibr should never been in top 30 kkkkkkkkkk
2020-10-01 15:38
In their prime time they should. But nowadays, i actually agree with you
2020-10-01 19:27
Unexpected.
2020-10-02 17:10
#74
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United States camdavis9
turn around and play victim like your country is receiving hate when you started this by shitting on an entire continent and the people who inhabit it lol
2020-10-01 05:30
Well am I wrong tho? And how is that hating? He said v-word killed CS where in reality it only killed NA CS.
2020-10-01 07:06
Compare them to Canada if you want, fairly similar population I think but obviously there aren't all-Canada teams since USA is right there and they speak the same language and have all the servers.
2020-09-30 22:34
Yeah fair enough, but it's one scene - NA (as you said yourself). He brought up "top30 teams" hence why I said that. I don't hate on NA, I actually think Canada is an awesome country, but Valulrant is seemingly only killing the NA scene, the EU scene wasn't affected by it at all (unless you count washed up failed pros moving to v-word).
2020-09-30 22:36
#79
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United States Phamous3k
To be fair there's more people in Poland playing CS then in all of NA steamdb.info/servers/
2020-10-01 07:20
You realize that these are servers and not actually players from a certain country? There are a lot of servers in Poland. Also this is MM only.
2020-10-01 07:31
#84
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United States Phamous3k
By all means show me all the servers. I’m actually curious. FPL. ESEA, etc. These are the valve servers but it’s a good idea on a population size. But please... I would like to see info on all the servers.
2020-10-01 08:52
Unfortunately I don't think such information is publicly available, but all I'm saying is that a lot of servers are located in Poland, meaning that the steamdb site you sent shows how many players play on those Polish servers who don't exclusively have to be Polish.
2020-10-01 12:23
Exactly. So if NA has less players than Poland does in MM, what makes you think that somehow poland will have significantly less players in faceit/esea than NA does? Hint: they don't. Poland's playerbase has been higher than NA's for a long time. This goes for MM and it goes for literally every single service available.
2020-10-01 09:54
Dyslexic? They are SERVERS which are LOCATED in Poland, it doesn't mean that all the players are Polish, smh German, French, Scandinavian players play on Polish servers, what is your point?
2020-10-01 12:25
Funny how that doesn't apply to NA servers when there's clearly players from SA/east asia playing there with over 100 ping, Even if only 40% of poland's MM playerbase are actually polish, that's STILL a higher number than NA's MM population.
2020-10-01 20:53
??? are you actually ok? the % of total players that play on NA servers AND are from SA/SEA is like 0.1% at most, the rest are Mexican, US and CAN players lol
2020-10-01 20:55
Yeah and I'm sure you have numbers showing how the majority of players in Poland mm servesr aren't polish lol face it. Polish playerbase is higher than NA. It's obvious if you look at every metric. EU posters constantly post how NA has a significantly higher population, but always ignore the fact that their playerbase is SIGNIFICANTLY higher. Literally EU's lowest peak playercounts rivals NA's highest peak counts.
2020-10-01 20:58
Yeah that's right Think about it like this : Polish server = NA East, French server = NA West
2020-10-01 20:59
There's EU East servers and Poland servers - both of which are accessed regularly by Polish players. There is 0 reason for Valve to have dedicated Polish servers if there wasn't a significant polish playerbase to take advantage of that. Even if you account for CIS region being a big chunk of eastern servers, Poland is the next biggest pool. The entirety of NA has less than 5% of the playerbase recently. It's not even just MM. If you look at Faceit, Poland's scene has something like 10x the number of level 10 players than the US. If you think ESEA has a stronger grasp then you can add up players in Rank G/S to that level 10 count (WITHOUT adding any to poland) and poland's higher level pug play is still much higher. There's 0 chance that NA's scene is healthier than Poland's.
2020-10-01 21:17
Fair enough, I can agree with that. But my original point was that V-word is only killing the NA scene, which also backs your statement. Not sure how we got to this conversation tbh lol
2020-10-01 21:59
Oh my bad then dude. You are right about how Valorant has pretty much destroyed the already small NA scene. Even NA players in top 20 teams have left the game. Pretty sad tbh.
2020-10-01 23:02
+1 very sad
2020-10-02 00:50
polands player base higher than NA? xD are u serious?
2020-10-01 15:34
You do realize that it is, right? The na playerbase is tiny xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD crazy how EU brains can't work out that csgo is not popular in NA
2020-10-02 14:32
it is not, are u stupid? show me evidence that polands scene is bigger than na.. lmao how stupid can u be to believe that
2020-10-02 14:43
BRO XDDDDD you can't be serious? faceit.com/en/organizers/8bfed0d9-1fdf-4.. Polish pro league = roughly 70k players faceit.com/en/organizers/36261b68-5e5f-4.. biggest hub in NA = roughly 31k players Go look at the server populations. Pls use your brain next time, okay big guy?
2020-10-02 14:46
so a hub and server locations are your source? xD both mean nothing. there are so many polish servers because of the location
2020-10-02 14:53
#157
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Brazil de_lite
I will fight your chicken
2020-10-02 23:14
Report for fakeflagger
2020-10-02 06:43
"no"
2020-10-02 07:45
#59
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United States tatsumi
Chill out he ain’t wrong
2020-10-01 04:29
killed money whore scene
2020-09-30 22:14
you're sooo salty
2020-10-01 17:08
#9
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
time to move to na and get easy pro league B)
2020-09-30 22:10
I think soon there will be few slots in NA for every event so it will just get harder for the young teams.
2020-09-30 22:11
#14
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
yeah na pro league will probably be slimmed down 8 teams maybe ? idek
2020-09-30 22:13
We'll just have to wait and see what's even left in the scene when international events start again
2020-09-30 22:14
#19
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
it wouldn't be a shock if na cs just died all together teams like eg 100t and liquid go to eu instead or something
2020-09-30 22:15
exactly. Even being in Australia would be better for scrims.
2020-09-30 22:17
#26
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United Kingdom galaxyv2
yeah imagine the form deterioration from teams like liquid and eg if they only scrim tier 5 na teams rip na cs at least eu is stronger than ever
2020-09-30 22:19
New talents also rise, it isn't the case that only people are leaving csgo. Many players moving to valorant already were washed up and not performing at the top of NA (except steel but yea the ban) so I really dont think its gonna effect the level of the NA scene all too much.
2020-09-30 22:36
#152
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Denmark Zorrondo
young players like s0m and Obo (most likely ?) are already leaving aswell.
2020-10-02 17:36
Why would obo leave cs???
2020-10-04 17:13
#65
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North America Swboy1010
Maybe MDL would have to let in more teams into pro league like the top three in the league get to play in pro league next season.
2020-10-01 04:47
F
2020-09-30 22:10
The most beautiful moment was when liquid choked and lost the major
2020-09-30 22:12
which one lole
2020-09-30 22:14
Esl one cologne 2016 😎
2020-09-30 22:27
#94
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Nepal askyee
They didnt have a lot chances in cologne anyway. They threw away 15 6 x2 on mlg Columbus
2020-10-01 10:08
ahhh this is better
2020-10-01 10:48
#63
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Brazil goatzera
+1
2020-10-01 04:42
There was never much NA scene to begin with so not much to miss, It will resettle. who knows maybe comeback stronger when valorant dies out.
2020-09-30 22:15
Hopefully. If Riot executes their plan starting next year well though, I don't think it will die.
2020-09-30 22:20
Valorant dont really bring anything.. But then again it dont take anything good to create hype amongst kid, we see that all the time. Fortnite and all sort of wierd stuff, it you manage to make it a pop culture sort of things where its about status among the kids, the overall quality of something dont really need to be that high.
2020-09-30 23:18
They said they were not going to run anything in the pro scene for the first year or something and then they'll do something like Overwatch League or the League of Legends thing
2020-10-01 04:21
The problem is if they launch a franchise league, T2 and lower scene will quickly die and those money hunters who failed to get into any T1 teams will probably simply jump ship to other games including back to CS. There is a reason why Korea refuse to apply the franchise model for LOL until recently.
2020-10-01 04:34
no i don't want valorant to die out, just look at dota has become since LOL became a real threat for them, i want valorant to flourish, i want valorant to take over csgo, then finally valve will give a shit about csgo
2020-10-01 08:57
DOTA losing players & viewers because Valve gave shit though. The last time Valve cared about CSGO meta it almost turn it into COD. Thank God they backtracked. Personally I find CSGO being 'unwanted Valve stepchild' ironically make it flourish. All they need to do is fixing bugs and balancing guns further and It'll be nice. No need to babysit and give it TI, making other tourneys like ESL Pro League losing their hype.
2020-10-01 09:49
you have a point there, but with the danger incoming in the form of valorant, things can get one sided real quick if valve still thinks that treating the game like an unwanted child will work, while riot is giving relatively big updates to the game per 2 weeks, i'm not saying valve should go full force on csgo, but atleast give the game some power to fight in the competition
2020-10-01 13:32
#21
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Pakistan LoOuU2
F We still got Naf in the scene so that's a win I guess, everybody else can fuck off.
2020-09-30 22:21
+1 he had to make a quick stop in Australia to carry them to their 1st big event win a few years ago
2020-09-30 22:18
Ayy you forgot elige also
2020-10-02 04:30
#123
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Ellige can fuck off too , I only worship Naf.
2020-10-02 06:41
NA upcoming scene just seemed to fall off. 0 players playing FPL, some playing FPLC but not many at all. When you see there are players who are earning a few hundred $ or even a thousand $ just for winning 3 matches in an ENTIRE week from NA FPL, you know somethings wrong. Nothing like EU where there are matches every day, even some around the clock morning to evening.
2020-09-30 22:16
Yeah. When you have to rely on fl0m to make events for NA it's pretty sad. EU has real opportunities.
2020-09-30 22:18
Can't blame some for going to Valorant, but also the NA pros kinda did it to their own scene by not playing much FPL at all. Therefore nobody is encouraged or motivated to play FPL..
2020-09-30 22:20
Yes it spiraled down. No players in NA FPL = No prizes No prizes in NA FPL = No one bothers playing it.
2020-09-30 22:21
But there are and have been prizes for a while now, top 10 in FPL gets upwards of $1000 per week or month, I don't remember. And yet players who only play 3 matches get 1k lmao. It's definitely not the prizes thats the issue, it's just unbelievably inactive.
2020-09-30 22:27
not enough to support a whole scene when you also don't have the many, many betting site sponsored small tournaments that EU has.
2020-09-30 22:30
na cs didn't die because people didn't play fpl what the hell hltv is full of smoothies lol
2020-10-02 14:33
If nobody is playing NA fpl where's the motivation to even get better or to practice for other NA players? Think of the mentality of these guys, people in EU look up to players like s1mple for his hard work and dedication and it shows in FPL, that's why they get somewhere in cs. Many top EU fraggers came from FPL because they had a lot of motivation to get in and be able to play with the top players in the game - they had the chance. NA doesn't have that. The top "idols" that an NA player can look forward with playing with people like tarik and stewie, neither of whom play much or somewhat seriously, only going for knife clips etc.. so that scene is dying, if not dead already. tl;dr mentality of NA -> content creation, mentality of EU -> become the best. kinda obv when you think about it.
2020-10-02 17:02
another game where people are going to pug and grind in mm.
2020-09-30 22:20
Idk about the last sentence but it isn’t dead quite yet, the NA scene has a lot of good players
2020-09-30 22:21
I think so too, but MANY new leaders will have to emerge, and good teams will have to materialize with very little monetary aid from orgs and TOs so the good players have a structure and can scrim and play against other good players and teams.
2020-09-30 22:23
#66
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North America Swboy1010
Yep because most NA rosters that get an org are dropped within a month.
2020-10-01 04:48
sadge, i kind of want to move to valorant because i feel like it has a better future in NA at this point. only problem is im dogshit gold 2 in it while im faceit lvl 10 in cs. i dont know why i feel so much worse in valorant, maybe i havent played enough recently. ill play like 1 match every week : edit(of valorant)
2020-09-30 22:40
NA pros are all bunch of crybabies, as soon as something starts to fall apart they just quit
2020-09-30 22:40
They're just moving to the better game, with a more exciting pro scene while also getting a decent pay check. Fair play to them
2020-09-30 22:52
NA will never die, even though NA is filled will EU, AU, SA, African and Asian players.
2020-09-30 22:49
Lol, FNS.
2020-10-01 04:22
Without his making CLG relevant Koosta and Ethan might not have gotten where they are
2020-10-01 04:30
Lol
2020-10-01 04:44
#62
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Germany NotJuan
Dont worry Brasil will make NA CS great again
2020-10-01 04:37
thanks
2020-10-01 04:52
#68
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Indonesia draizze
Lack of lower tier tournament forcing players to jump ship. Do gambling companies banned to sponsor tournament in NA? in EU, many lower tier tournament is sponsored by them. Not all player immediately picked by top tier Org when they just performed well on FPL most of the time they need to grind at lower tier team to prove their performance. For lower tier tournament, I think even Brazil lower tier scene actually more active than NA lower tier scene.
2020-10-01 04:53
I'm not sure why betting sites don't hold NA tournaments. It might be a legal thing yeah, but its really the difference between tier 2 / 3 scene being able to exist and not
2020-10-01 04:56
#72
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Indonesia draizze
The most concerning thing is s0m's case. He's in a proper Org but he decide to jump the ship anyway. Maybe It's mentality issue if he want to be the team's ace immediately instead of grinding at worse role in the team but It's quite a precedent compared to other pros who jumped because there's no good offer from proper CSGO orgs.
2020-10-01 05:24
#70
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Japan breasts
none of the people who left were even that good maybe nitro
2020-10-01 04:58
#97
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Pakistan LoOuU2
literally everyone was either a washed up , or never good to begin with. Exceptional cases being Steel who couldnt ever play in a Tier 1 team because of his ban and Nitro who no one knows why jumped ship.
2020-10-01 11:58
just ship elige naf twistzz ethan brehze grim and cerq to eu and let the rest of the na scene die
2020-10-01 05:05
#73
steel | 
Canada ZHF
2018/2019 were NA's best two years by far and now look how far we've fallen D:
2020-10-01 05:27
#98
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Pakistan LoOuU2
well, the team and players that made those 2 years best are still in the scene and playing together
2020-10-01 12:00
#102
steel | 
Canada ZHF
That is true but aside from them we don’t have any other good teams in the top 15, and there is also a lack of possible players to join teams if they need a switch Cause at one point there were 5 NA teams in top 15, which was amazing
2020-10-01 14:00
#103
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Pakistan LoOuU2
5 NA teams in top 15 really ? i cant really recall.
2020-10-01 14:01
#104
steel | 
Canada ZHF
C9, Liquid, NRG, Complexity, and ghost It was sometime after the Berlin major
2020-10-01 15:25
#105
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Pakistan LoOuU2
damn sadly those days are long gone and may not ever come back .
2020-10-01 15:30
you act like col and ghost were anything close to what chaos and gen.g are
2020-10-02 14:35
#76
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Malaysia Suno[t]
Prime NA was 2005-2006. Everything after is just an overreaction. THAT was the NA peak. 2 top teams in in top 2 and the scene around was vibrant af. I feel like this NA scene(2013-2020) was more streamers around but competitively they were so underwhelming apart from liquid and EG
2020-10-01 07:13
#77
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United States Phamous3k
Ive been saying NA CS is dead for awhile but noooooo I sounded like a hater, dumbass, don't know what Im talking about etc... Having 3 good to great teams doesn't = a healthy scene... Nevermind, fuck it... No one is playing the game people --> steamdb.info/servers/
2020-10-01 07:16
Lol you're the cringe valulrant fanboy from Reddit lmao
2020-10-02 06:43
#127
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United States Phamous3k
Lol and you're a stalking ass dickrider lol... But honestly, I follow tons of scenes and i have no idea who you're referring too but it honestly doesnt matter. CSGO, SIege, LoL, Valorant, RL, etc. are all great imo.
2020-10-02 07:55
I saw you in the valorant sub cluelessly dick riding it lol, you have a Reddit account of same name so I didn't really had to stalk, it was pretty much out there. I follow a lot of scenes also, but your valorant dick riding is on another level kkkk
2020-10-02 07:55
#129
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United States Phamous3k
Dude, who cares I'm not this mysterious figure and like I said I dont dickride I follow and comment on scenes. But you're worried about my 2 cents just stfu and worry about whatever you care about. You think you're calling me out on hltv??? You sound like a 12 year old hurt lil bitch... haha... Post it everywhere that doesnt mean anything. NA CS is still dead... I still follow and bet on the matches. Who cares?
2020-10-02 08:00
Never said that Na cs isn't dead.. why you bitching so much? And what's up with the 12 yo butthurt stuff? Who hurt you lol Anyways I saw you dick riding on valorant sub and arguing how guys like hazed, Android etc are t1 csgo players lmao.. like imagine being this lost. I don't wanna converse with 30 iq valorant fanboy. Hf
2020-10-02 09:08
#131
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United States Phamous3k
Dude just stfu and worry about life in Denmark know one cares what u saw on reddit haha. Go dickride some more of my posts lol. You sound like my fan... Send me your steam I’ll sign it it for you haha.
2020-10-02 13:52
Lol you sound like a bitchboy who probably never learned how to talk properly. Hf
2020-10-02 22:37
#154
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United States Phamous3k
Stfu you dick sucking bitch. Didn’t u say you didn’t want to converse. Take your own advice and leave like the lil Denmark bitch u are lol. You fucking Stan. Go read more of my reddit posts.
2020-10-02 23:17
#78
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North America Jiceg
Imagine NA losing in valorant as well
2020-10-01 07:16
I think there's a japanese team that's supposed to be good. if they beat all the NA former CSers it'd be fucked
2020-10-01 07:39
#82
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Sweden botl0f
you mean valorant cleaned up the NA cs scene from worthless bots that kept jumping from team to team?
2020-10-01 07:42
+999999999999999999999999999 chaos gen.g and triumph are better than practically every t2 NA team in the past
2020-10-02 14:36
#83
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Valorant dismanteled NA cs:gLoL in a couple of months.. EU plebs can stay behind but probably slowly would also move to a better game :)
2020-10-01 07:44
Aren't you the one who rides the csgo hate train? Lemme tell you, both games are dogshit
2020-10-02 04:35
#85
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Germany den7
nitro as well .. :(
2020-10-01 08:52
Losing shitty players to a shitty game doesn't kill a scene Jesus christ just stop whining
2020-10-01 08:55
All were in it for money anyway. Now that they can get paid more for finessing orgs at another game, they’re out.
2020-10-01 09:05
Na cs who?
2020-10-01 09:10
csgo is dead. it survived all the moba and br shit because it was the only game of its kind and the interest in the genre was always there. but valorant is directly attacking csgo. I think it`s gabens fault. map reworks, useless new missions and trillions of skins cant hide the fact that cs is (again..) 8 years old and that the engine it uses is older than most of the players playing the game
2020-10-01 09:12
#92
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Algeria abdodz45
that's why you need to bring back brax and dazed
2020-10-01 09:50
#95
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Ukraine Dert38
VALORANT won /closed
2020-10-01 10:36
#108
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
+1 well summarized
2020-10-01 15:40
#116
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Lithuania Ufasas
good bye, in all history, only 1 NA csgo major, sad, for creators of game, long live the best counterstrikers of all world - europeans
2020-10-01 21:10
what is NA Cs?
2020-10-02 14:26
#134
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United States broken1i
You literally listed B-star or worse talent.
2020-10-02 14:33
Americans generally suck in esports. Hard to pinpoint exactly why, maybe it's a cultural thing.
2020-10-02 14:34
"Hard to pinpoint exactly why" it's actually extremely easy to understand why. PC gaming is not popular at all in the US. Console esports (lawl) has amazing NA teams in them.
2020-10-02 14:40
+1 NA is insane in games like CoD
2020-10-02 23:13
its time to younger people step up anyone who left for valorant means the guy never deserved anything in cs, only little bitchs would quit cs for valorant LOL moneywhores or tier30 players cs4life we may stay and fight my friends. #honor #brotherhood #NACSLUL #HLTVarmy
2020-10-02 14:36
🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮 the r*ddit spacing
2020-10-02 14:40
oh dont say this bro I'm the n1 guy that always defend hltv and talk shit about reddit, I never had an account on reddit, I dont go on reddit for anything #HLTVarmy
2020-10-02 14:41
okay #HLTVArmy)))))
2020-10-02 14:43
#151
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Namibia doggc
Even NA dota is dead. NA team like EG with 4 import and 1 NA player lmao.
2020-10-02 17:10
i think Bruhmoment69420 will come and carry all these shitters to glory with 897654654 elo plays
2020-10-02 23:14
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