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a usual or an usual
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Brazil ZerongBr 
no search on google is allowed what is correct and why
2020-10-01 05:37
Topics are hidden when running Sport mode.
this is a usual thread on hltv
2020-10-01 05:39
200 iq
2020-10-01 05:39
ty mens))
2020-10-01 05:39
+1
2020-10-01 16:52
What would an unusual one have been?
2020-10-02 06:43
a usual I can tell you becuase I speek english but that is a bad sentense ty
2020-10-01 05:39
#57
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Netherlands staticNL
sentence, but ye
2020-10-01 18:21
Bad sentense indeed.
2020-10-02 05:53
you had your first english class in the 4th grade or what?
2020-10-01 05:40
#12
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
i had my first english class in 5th grade :(, currently, i say i learned english better on hltv than with my teachers teaching me how a question point changes a sentence
2020-10-01 06:11
thats actually sad
2020-10-01 08:25
why? hltv is like some 24/7 available language practice room with a lot ot native speakers, cant be bad for ones english
2020-10-01 08:33
meant it for this part: 'i had my first english class in 5th grade'
2020-10-01 14:43
#49
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
nowadays, this is not so sad, everyone at my school had English only in the 5th grade, and until today we have not learned anything useful, only useless rules that I will never use and how to speak simple words. Hltv currently helped me a lot more. <3
2020-10-01 16:47
+1 HLTV is the real online English course
2020-10-01 18:58
Hltv is good place to learn English, just don't forget that some phraises are memes: Are you fuck you Wtf are you want I aren't think that I was don't know this details Who cars Mens
2020-10-02 05:55
#119
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
ty, i will not forget =)
2020-10-02 17:00
#6
N1K3RR | 
Finland sAA_
are u asking because u dont know?
2020-10-01 05:40
me dumb but I don't think this rule is very important who cars
2020-10-01 05:42
You sound like a usual Biden voter
2020-10-01 05:48
#38
oBo | 
United States fl4sh76
you sound like a usual baiter 0/8
2020-10-01 16:22
#9
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Hong Kong shmilx
A usual is correct, the rule isn't about spelling like a lot of people think, it's about phonetics. 'usual' starts with a 'y' phonetic, not a vowel phonetic, hence why words like 'history, or home' sometimes use 'an' because certain accents omit the 'h' phonetic so the beginning phonetic is the vowel phonetic, so it would be said like "I need an 'ome" or "an 'istory of" or words like honest where the 'h' isn't pronounced by any accent.
2020-10-01 05:53
"y" is not a phonetic vowel?
2020-10-01 16:28
#56
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Hong Kong shmilx
'y' is a phonetic vowel in IPA. I meant phonetic as in the sound of the letter when used, not the IPA symbol.
2020-10-01 18:18
i was dont know this details
2020-10-02 06:51
#10
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Russia Drapery
Vowel sound - an Consonant sound - a "Usual" starts with a consonant sound, so a
2020-10-01 05:52
U is not a consonant
2020-10-01 14:59
#20
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Russia Drapery
U is a letter The word starts with a sound " 'j", learn transcriptions
2020-10-01 15:21
But #13 🤔
2020-10-01 16:13
#34
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Russia Drapery
Agreed, natives can't be wrong, especially Americans
2020-10-01 16:14
So you are telling me that you (russian) know more than an american ?
2020-10-01 16:41
#50
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World Beard43
He's right though so maybe he does know more than an American.
2020-10-01 16:51
So we need to say "a usual." But what about writing ? Also "a usual" ?
2020-10-01 16:52
#53
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World Beard43
Yeah "a usual" is correct. It's an unusual thing to say though, I can't think of an example of how I would use it in a sentence. *Edit: "It's not a usual thing to say though..." would be another way of saying that.
2020-10-01 17:00
#114
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Finland Tertzi
#113 if you want a source to actually learn for yourself and not take it for granted by strangers on HLTV :)
2020-10-02 13:55
i bet your mom is disappointed
2020-10-01 06:05
i study engrish at pasha london school and my mom is proud of me
2020-10-01 18:25
#93
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Brazil ZerongBr
i think you didnt get that this is a challenge for hltv
2020-10-02 06:11
"Usual" starts with a vowel. So it would be correct to say "an usual". But, since we pronounce "usual" with a 'y' at the beginning, as in: 'yoo-sual,' it feels more intuitive to say "a usual." So, in daily conversation "a usual" is more commonly heard, but the technically right answer is "an usual."
2020-10-01 06:25
#21
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Russia Drapery
Usual starts with a consonant, look transcriptions
2020-10-01 15:20
It is spelled with a vowel but pronounced with the consonant 'y' -- that's the point I was trying to make, but everyone is confused apparently
2020-10-02 05:38
Usual's pronunciation starts with a consonant sound. That's why we say a usual. Unusual starts with a vowel sound, so we say an unusual. You're really proving the stupid American stereotype to be true.
2020-10-01 17:05
You literally just reiterated what I said. Nice comprehension.
2020-10-02 05:34
No, I didn't. It's not correct to say "an usual." Who the fuck was your English teacher in high school?
2020-10-02 05:40
Stop acting like a five year old, it's exhausting. It's not inaccurate to say "an usual" based on the formal rules of English. Based on the way English is colloquially expressed, "a usual" is the pervasive usage.
2020-10-02 05:42
#91
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Russia Drapery
The word "usual" starts with a phonetic "j" which is a consonant, it completely fits in the rule and colloquial speech doesn't have anything to do with that.
2020-10-02 06:03
You may be confused. I agree that "usual" is pronounced with a consonant sound. It is SPELLED with a vowel, however. The letter "u" is a vowel. Hopefully you'll agree on that reality. So now the question is: do you follow the grammatical rules for the word as it is written or apply the rule for how it is pronounced? Some argue that the written rules take precedence over the phonetic rules, and depending on where you fall in that debate you will use "a" or "an".
2020-10-02 06:20
#96
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Russia Drapery
The entire rule depends only on PRONUNCIATION and never on spelling. The whole thing is created only for the matter of not mixing the sounds in words. For example "a hour" sounds inappropriate because we have two vowels following each other "ei" and "a". It's a simple as that and there's nothing to argue about. Link me some sourses that don't agree.
2020-10-02 06:29
Why would I link sources, this isn't a homework assignment? Pronunciation cannot dictate the rules of writing because pronunciation varies by geography much more than spelling does.
2020-10-02 06:31
#100
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Russia Drapery
So we'd have to pronunce "a usual" but write "an usual"? This looks straight up weird to anybody, languages don't work that way.
2020-10-02 06:33
#113
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Finland Tertzi
Merriam-Webster begs to differ with your argument. Read it, you might learn something... (not a long read, either) "The deciding factor for which of these words should be used is the sound that begins the word which follows these indefinite articles, rather than the letter which does." merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/is-it-..
2020-10-02 13:48
#59
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Netherlands staticNL
afaik this isnt true at all. its officially 'a usual'
2020-10-01 18:24
#66
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Bruh u dont know your own language A/an doesnt come from the spelling but from the pronunciation Words like usual, yellow, europe, one, university have a because they are pronounced with a consonant sound first It can go other way around also, words like hour and honest have an because theh start with a vowel sound
2020-10-01 18:52
Literally what I said. Pronounced with a consonant but technically starts with a vowel. I'm surprised people had such a hard time grasping my point.
2020-10-02 05:36
#103
perk  | 
Finland eIe
"So, in daily conversation "a usual" is more commonly heard" Obviously because its the right answer "but the technically right answer is "an usual." No its not
2020-10-02 06:47
#67
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Sweden Kasidro
back to school
2020-10-01 18:55
Thanks hltv. I got smarter every single day. A usual not an usual. Oke thanks hltv.
2020-10-01 06:27
#18
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Finland nexustron
I would use 'a usual' but thism ight be a case that has no roght or wrong answers
2020-10-01 14:45
Wtf, even americans are debating? I think the rule is quite clear - when writing or speaking formally, the rule states that before vowel-started words should be AN and not A - but, on coloquial forms, "a usual" for the benefit of phonetics is accepted. Have I been tricked this whole time?
2020-10-01 15:26
#23
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Russia Drapery
"usual" isn't an exception here, it also fits in the rule since it starts with a consonant
2020-10-01 15:30
This would also be true to say that "I study in A university" or "x is a movie of A universe of..."? this fucks me up, never thought the 'vowel' on the first letter considered for this rule should be the 'sounding one' and not the actual one. I've never noticed this on articles and other forms of formal writings either... I'm having a bit of an existential crisis tbh..
2020-10-01 15:34
#25
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Russia Drapery
The whole thing is about phonetics, the word "Jamaica" starts with same sound as "usual" or "you" but you would never say something like "an Jamaican", would you?
2020-10-01 15:39
well that's because i never considered it to be about phonetics, but writing..
2020-10-01 15:42
Btw, i'm looking this up online and it seems to not be a clear consensus.. some pretty reliable sources defends what I said previously: "when writing or speaking formally, the rule states that before vowel-started words should be AN and not A - but, on coloquial forms, "a usual" for the benefit of phonetics is accepted."
2020-10-01 15:43
#31
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Russia Drapery
Where did you look? I googled as well and everywhere it says that the rule depends only on the starting sound and never on the letter.
2020-10-01 15:48
i fucked up, kept searching and mixed the sources - the ones that actually defended what I said are not the reliable ones. I asked a friend (teacher) and he confirmed what you said, altough he also stated that "an usual" is not wrong, the correct way is "a usual". my whole life has been a lie
2020-10-01 15:51
an usual a unusual Dumbo, come to me for all your struggles in englando
2020-10-01 15:41
#75
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Sweden Kasidro
no
2020-10-01 19:00
an usual
2020-10-01 15:43
A
2020-10-01 15:44
spell it out loud phonetically a you-shoo-al starts with Y = a an unusual an un-you-shoo-al starts with u = an
2020-10-01 16:18
#36
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Russia Drapery
Do they teach English there in Canada?
2020-10-01 16:21
no, i had to learn from the local wildlife
2020-10-01 16:22
#39
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Russia Drapery
Explains then
2020-10-01 16:22
but i raise the same point as you wtf
2020-10-01 16:23
#41
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Russia Drapery
No, you're raising the complete opposite of my point
2020-10-01 16:24
i dont think i’ve ever pronounced usual as “jusual”
2020-10-01 16:28
#44
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Russia Drapery
Look at the actual transcription, jeez I can't post it here on hltv
2020-10-01 16:30
#46
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Russia Drapery
It's not a transcription, mate oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definitio.. Here it is
2020-10-01 16:35
ok men) u right))
2020-10-01 16:39
#55
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Taiwan phrog69
"a usual". 'an' is only used when the beginning sound of the following word is a vowel phonetic. In this case 'usual' starts with the phonetic 'yoo' instead of 'uh' even though it starts with the letter u.
2020-10-01 17:11
#64
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Russia Drapery
What's a "yoo" phonetic? The phonetic the word starts with is "j"
2020-10-01 18:44
I think he means since 'y' is not classified as a vowel, any word that starts with a phonetic sound accessible only with the addition of Y, "y+u - usual", will see the 'an' around it. If it was 'oosual', that would definitely be the 'a'. But 'y' is the boss here. Oh, my explanation is poor but you gotta get it.
2020-10-02 06:40
#104
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Russia Drapery
[y] is another sound, we can see it in words like "myth" for example, the sound that we have here is [ju], "j" is a consonant. I honestly don't get it, what's there to argue about?
2020-10-02 06:48
And who does argue here? I just try to make his point clearer as I think he's not wrong either, he says it starts with the phonetic 'yoo', which can't exist without the addition of 'y', or 'j' in classic transcription, whatever, so anyway the beginning of the word sounds like it descends from a consonant and together they combine a phonetic 'y-oo' which don't exist in standalone letters, so I find your question a bit silly to ask if you genuinely can't track the origin of that 'yoo' he mentions.
2020-10-02 07:42
#58
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United States breasts
it's just like an honor vs a honor
2020-10-01 18:23
#61
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Netherlands staticNL
isnt it always "an honor" or are you just stating that people have difficulty determining if 'an' or 'a' is correct in your example too.
2020-10-01 18:28
#63
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United States breasts
i actually think both are acceptable tbh some don't sound as awkward, maybe because you don't hear them as often eg "sent a SOS" (imo)
2020-10-01 18:36
#65
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Netherlands staticNL
Hmm, I always thought it was "an SOS"
2020-10-01 18:47
yeah I'm pretty sure it's always "an SOS" and "an honor"
2020-10-02 06:31
#120
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Netherlands staticNL
ok thanks
2020-10-03 02:05
and this is why its a shit language
2020-10-01 18:31
#68
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Why?
2020-10-01 18:55
dumb rules
2020-10-01 18:56
#70
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Not a dumb rule
2020-10-01 18:56
by the rule it should be 'an' but in reality its 'a'
2020-10-01 18:57
#73
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Why should it be 'an'?
2020-10-01 18:58
because the word start with a vowel
2020-10-01 18:59
#76
perk  | 
Finland eIe
See thats where you go wrong. Its not about how its written but how its pronounced
2020-10-01 19:01
i know, but isnt it weird ? people can pronounce/hear things differently, its not consistent, while writing is the same for everyone
2020-10-01 19:07
#78
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I havent heard anyone say "usual" with "uh" sound instead of "ju" in any accent
2020-10-01 19:49
im just saying in general.. but stll arent there more cases like this, "honor" for example all im saying is it can be confusing for someone who tries to learn the language and may not know how to pronounce things correctly from the get go and lets be honest some english words are pronounced very differently compared to how they are written XD but thats another story
2020-10-01 19:56
#80
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Yes that's true. Finnish master race everything is pronounced as they are written 😎
2020-10-01 19:58
and usual*
2020-10-02 05:44
A usual
2020-10-02 05:48
I are think a usual correck
2020-10-02 05:51
#92
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Netherlands toothpaste
this is a csgo forum not tf2
2020-10-02 06:08
"a usual" because usual is pronounced with a "y" sound. For A/An it's based off what the following word sounds like, not what it's first letter is.
2020-10-02 06:29
#106
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Russia Drapery
It's [ju] sound, mate
2020-10-02 06:54
no, its 'you' sound.
2020-10-02 08:06
#110
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Russia Drapery
Please look up the actual transcription of the word before making something out of your ass
2020-10-02 08:13
0/8
2020-10-02 13:25
It's an unusual
2020-10-02 06:32
it sounds like consonant so a usual
2020-10-02 08:02
ngl alot of fish here
2020-10-02 13:30
#115
aizy | 
Denmark Gryde
a usual duuh u get f in english roflmao
2020-10-02 13:56
F
2020-10-02 14:00
#117
aizy | 
Denmark Gryde
????k
2020-10-02 14:03
F for his english
2020-10-02 14:52
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