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Finland the_one_who_baits Guy can't handle losing to the best Danish team so he posts the video of Hunden cheating against them in an older tournament and then acts like it's proof that the Heroic players are scumbags and knew about Hunden cheating, when in reality the video only shows that Hunden gave info to the players, something which we all already knew Must hurt losing to the same team you already screwed over once by taking their player right when they were about to sign a big money deal with FPX, cry is free Nikolaj
2020-10-01 22:35
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Belgium ibuprofenia
He is right though
2020-10-01 22:37
Nah, theres no proof the players knew Hunden was cheating. The video only shows Hunden telling the players info, for all we know the players just thought Hunden had watched a ton of Astralis demos and had good read on the game
2020-10-01 22:41
Belgium ibuprofenia
yes i also watched the enemy`s demos when i use wallhack and tell my teamates where the enemy is
2020-10-01 22:39
2020-10-01 22:41
Look at round 8 mate
2020-10-02 08:37
so you genuinely believe that the players weren't suspicious when they watched the demo of the game? I mean, Hunden called for Stavn to rotate multiple times with perfect timing. anyone with 46 chromosomes would see straight through his bullshit
2020-10-01 23:03
i genuinely believe a chairman at Astralis shouldn't be out there tweeting things like this since it's just going to lead to angry Astralis fanboys giving Heroic players the Leaf treatment. All of the players in that team are pretty young and Hunden is a bit of a legend, I don't think it's impossible the players just trusted his calls
2020-10-02 05:08
That's true and also in the heat of the match it's not something the players even think about. .. but yeah Hunden should probably feel very humble going forward.. had I been coach I'd tell everyone on the server about this to get a restart, but I also have integrity like Trump
2020-10-02 12:29
well, one undoing doesn't offset another. just because the Astralis CEO decided to go public with his request, rather than taking the more reasonable approach and contact them privately, doesn't mean that Heroic are in the clear. I believe they should release their coms from that game. Not because I necessarily think he was giving them the information, but because it would put an end to the slandering of their name as an organization.
2020-10-02 12:47
Astralis the team abusing a smoke bug for months :) Smoke bug gone, astralis not so dominating anymore.
2020-10-02 12:56
2020-10-02 09:23
2020-10-02 11:49
looks like someone isn't used to having a civil argument
2020-10-02 12:42
Ive had many arguments about the same FUCKING topic but people cant seem to understand it m8.I cant be bothered to get into another argument about the same shit.
2020-10-03 17:41
Dude did you even watch the video. Look round 8 bro
2020-10-02 08:01
Dude when hunden tells you to peek banana, u pick banana. Thats how well he always had studied his opponents even when he was a igl. That video proves nothing. Only thing it proves how shitty lineup astralis had on that match. And they cant win cause they cant use the smoke bug anymore
2020-10-02 08:43
1. Proof of astralis using the smoke bug 2.Proof that astralis "only" used the smoke bug
2020-10-02 09:43
If u werent living in a cave u would hVe seen the argument astralis was the one using the smoke bug. Niko made that. And astralis just went full silent put it on valve for having that bug. Not to mention they didnt apologied for crowd cheating. U know what, astralis should just stfu
2020-10-02 19:04
1. Niko malding on tiwtterr isnt proof reta** thats lled an "accusation" 2.Fallen cried that leaf cheated so leaf is a cheater? 3.i asked for proof that astralis were the only one using that smoke bug and you havent commented on that regard 4.Idk if youre too retar*** or didnt follow the scene ,cause both zyp and gl1ve denied it so how were they silent? And why should rest of the astralis players comment when the one primarily accused was gla1ve and he gave his statement 4.lmao crowd cheating? Lol every top team has done that dude, liquid, eg , vitality fnc ,where are their apologies? 3rd world brain lul.
2020-10-03 10:06
Right nowu are just being a moron. Why dont you go get your vitamins and help your brain a little
2020-10-03 17:28
2020-10-03 17:39
Also so ironic that youre justifying niko crying on twitter while insulting astralis for the owner accusing someone on twitter when there is proof. Fkin hypocritic reta*
2020-10-03 10:15
you are so delusional dude you really think hunden didnt say one fucking word in round 8 haha "Only thing it proves how shitty lineup astralis had on that match" Heroic is shit. keeping cheater Hunden in the team is a very wrong move from them..
2020-10-02 18:22
I don't think you get the point dude. Obviously Hunden told his players info during the rounds but the players aren't guilty of cheating unless they actually knew Hunden was abusing the coach bug. For all we know the players just trusted Hunden and didnt question why he was calling so well.
2020-10-02 18:28
2020-10-02 19:05
2020-10-02 18:28
Round 8 That was hella sus just sayin
2020-10-02 09:47
Can you imagine that coach is sitting in the same room with players, there is usually some more people (manager, camera man etc) and none of them realise that the guy have that point of view fon 19 minutes? Hard to believe.
2020-10-02 12:15
I dont think that they were in the same room. I think they played from home. still its obvious. hunden shouldnt be in the cs scene anymore and all those coaches who used it too
2020-10-02 18:24
heroic cheaters, nt
2020-10-01 22:38
nt show proofs
2020-10-01 22:46
What we know hunden is coaching before and after the game or even calling in the game from a vpn under the assistance coach's name Trust me I have no interest in either Astralis or BIG
2020-10-01 22:54
United States loganipad
if heroic cheaters esic would of banned
2020-10-02 06:15
2020-10-02 13:05
Liechtenstein xDem1ce
nt. cry is free
2020-10-01 22:40
nt i am not astralis stakeholder
2020-10-01 22:42
But they are cheaters 🤨
2020-10-01 22:40
are they though
2020-10-01 22:49
everyone in the middle east also hacks anyways so nt spinbotter 5000$ invo arabi
2020-10-01 23:19
Denmark pdxm
why do you keep changing flag?
2020-10-02 07:04
no particular reason
2020-10-02 09:32
2020-10-02 13:12
When did you change your flag? I always remember this flag on you
2020-10-03 10:17
i have this one for like a month now i had a perfecto and yourgirlfriendsnores flair before
2020-10-03 10:18
kkkkkkkkkkkkk but what about astralis using smoke bug ?
2020-10-01 22:43
when did they do that?
2020-10-01 23:21
when didnt they? jfc quit being blind and look it up yourself
2020-10-02 06:07
What smoke but exactly. There is so proof they were using nvidia settings. If you are talking about people showing up on the radar before smokes fully faded than a large majority of pros knew about that already. So I don’t know what he’s being blind about
2020-10-02 07:14
"what smoke bug exactly" bruh just shows how dumb you are when it comes to cs, did you just start watching in 2020 or some shit???
2020-10-02 08:02
Sweden quacke
Uncalled for. He was just asking.
2020-10-02 09:25
smoke bugs been around for years and has been talked about quite a bit, he can google it if he doesnt know and i said so, im not gonna hold some retards hand because hes ignorant
2020-10-02 09:37
Sweden quacke
He asked for clarification because there are several smoke bugs. You didn't clarify which one.
2020-10-02 10:12
2020-10-02 12:06
Bruh you even read my comment? Niko accused astralis of using nvidia settings to see through smoke which astralis denied and a lot of pros defended astralis. The only other thing would have been the thing where people would show up on radar a couple seconds before smoke but literally almost every pro player already knew that. So I ask again what exactly am I supposed to be looking up? Astralis cheating conspiracy videos?
2020-10-02 15:29
just tell me when and which... your debate skills are like trumps..
2020-10-02 15:11
there is literally no proof for that lol
2020-10-02 18:26
As much proof as there is of Heroic players knowingly cheating
2020-10-02 19:44
we cant know that, thats right but how do you not question the calls coming from hunden xd
2020-10-02 19:50
I mean Hunden is a bit of a Danish legend and most of the players are fairly young
2020-10-02 20:36
Cadian very young Hope he gets a new tean for his insane yung talent
2020-10-03 10:18
2020-10-03 10:30
Whatever the reason for doing it I think he has a point. Heroic just flipped the finger at the entire community and chooses to keep their coach on payroll although he has been found guilty of cheating. Any org that wants to keep a clear conscience had scrapped the contract and told him to call them when he has served his ban instead of keeping him on board while serving his ban.
2020-10-01 22:45
Hunden can be an all time great coach like zews, zonic, kassad. Hard to let that guy leave
2020-10-01 22:47
No one is asking him to leave. It's 8 months (well 7 now I guess) so it's not like he's 50 when his ban is over. I just don't understand the incentive to keep him on in the meanwhile. I consider it disrespectful to the community at large. You don't see MIBR saying "oh yeah so dead cheated. That's a shame. But we like him so we don't care".
2020-10-01 22:50
I agree with you, but I mean look at Heoric with hunden and them without? You just dont let him go no matter what. The thing with these bans is its hard to give the perfect punishments tbh
2020-10-01 22:51
Well it's easy for me to be pretty clear about the matter. I don't care if Heroic is ranked #2 or #15. I just want a clean sport and orgs that don't excuse and forgive people for cheating on their behalf. And that's how I read Heroics reaction. He's too valuable and he did it to help them. It makes it come off as it's okay to cheat when you just do it in the interest of the org.
2020-10-01 22:55
yeah its pretty shitty, but I think the bigger issue is that how many coaches took the fall for their players/orgs? I think this is a far bigger scandal but sadly ESIC/anyone else doesnt have the type of money needed to even think about undergoing something like that
2020-10-01 22:57
Maybe it is maybe it isn't. I've noticed that Rejin used the bug when he was coach for Tricked. While Hunden was the IGL for Tricked. So it's easy to speculate that Hunden and Rejin might have both been aware of the bug at the same time on Tricked. But whatever, it's impossible to prove and is just pure speculation. What I don't like is these orgs and coaches acting like it's just a game. When people bet money on their games and stuff like this can ruin any form of fairness. No one gives a shit about the people who might potentially have lost money here. They only care about themselves. That's why I think this decision is like flipping the finger at the fans and community. They don't give a shit about you or me. Only themselves.
2020-10-01 23:01
Yeah I agree. Thankfully at the least we have something which tries to hold people accountable to the best of their abilities. Lets hope someday Valve get involved and then this stuff must be far more elaborate for people to get away with it, but at the same time we dont want the iBP bans again
2020-10-01 23:03
Exactly. I just feel like this was a prime opportunity to have people serve a fair ban and THEN re-hire them and let them redeem themselves. I'm not in favor of lifelong bans but 8 months off the payroll shouldn't make or break people's desire to coach a team. I just think Heroic could've handled it better.
2020-10-01 23:15
so why call out hunden specifically? why not any of the other coaches that stayed in their teams, or ones that never came clean and still claim theyre innocent (starix) but yet he gets no hate
2020-10-02 06:08
Mate I'm willing to give all those orgs some hate too if they state they're gonna keep their coaches banned for cheating on payroll while they serve their ban. No sweat. I'm gonna hate hard on them too if they do that. I'm just only aware of Heroic publically stating that Hunden is still their coach, they've forgiven him his cheating and so forth. If any other orgs does the same I'm gonna hate on them forever, just like I plan to with Heroic.
2020-10-02 07:50
og did, ence did, hard legion did, etc all have been articles the past couple days right on the front page of hltv, if you saw hunden staying you definitely saw the others
2020-10-02 08:01
Sweden quacke
HUNDEN has many valuable qualities outside the server, such as analysis. He can also coach the team in practice, as long as he doesn't do it in officials. It makes no sense for Heroic to let him go with the intention to resign him 7 months later. Chances are in those 7 months he'll get a better offer or simply doesn't want to return to the team that kicked him. If they wanted to keep him, they keep him.
2020-10-02 09:29
Nickel and Dimehom should get banned from this scene would do a lot of good
2020-10-01 22:46
2020-10-01 22:47
Astralis is just all about twitter drama now. If only they could perform as well as they talk these days.
2020-10-01 22:49
2020-10-01 22:52
Astralis is all about twitter drama? How?
2020-10-02 13:59
cry is free
2020-10-01 22:49
nt Astralis
2020-10-01 22:49
0/8 he is not bald. nt
2020-10-01 22:53
He's about to be if he keeps this up
2020-10-01 22:53
might happen to you as well if you cry too much
2020-10-01 22:55
2020-10-01 22:56
not me, I got great hair.
2020-10-01 22:57
for now
2020-10-01 22:58
2020-10-01 22:58
thats nice
2020-10-01 22:59
thx bud
2020-10-01 23:00
ur welcome mate
2020-10-01 23:01
whine in team say - u moron
2020-10-01 22:59
You rly think that Heroic(Nonamers 3 months ago) are legit?
2020-10-01 23:17
flag and flair checks out herioc niko and teses have been playing for a long time
2020-10-01 23:20
Ofc, playing so well that lost 2-0 to Astralis with juggi. Well, lets see heroic on Lan, they will disapoint you
2020-10-01 23:35
2020-10-02 11:58
2020-10-01 23:17
2020-10-02 18:21
Cry is free
2020-10-01 23:30
2020-10-02 18:00
I think astralis should focus on getting more than 14 rounds in 2 maps next time and not dwell on the past. :()
2020-10-01 23:30
2020-10-02 04:59
Haha, +1. And stop making 7 players rosters...
2020-10-02 05:04
2020-10-02 11:09
if im heroic now i would post yesterday match with topic win without hunden.
2020-10-01 23:32
India sp@rk
I am pretty sure they will meet again and get rekt..
2020-10-02 09:33
2020-10-02 16:29
Czech Republic Limacool
No, they said players didn't know about it and they obviously did. They should be banned.
2020-10-01 23:33
nt show proofs
2020-10-02 04:59
Czech Republic Limacool
ok, They should release comms if they didn't know about it, but it's really suspicious
2020-10-02 07:57
nt show proofs
2020-10-02 11:58
Name checks out. Nt m8.
2020-10-01 23:35
He's doing the same think that Fallen did
2020-10-02 05:05
Cry is free
2020-10-02 05:06
nt astralis
2020-10-02 05:07
Astralis best team
2020-10-02 05:07
astralis not even top 2 in denmark, nt
2020-10-02 05:20
imagine them not playing while heroic cheat their way to win and be on top. Omegalul.
2020-10-02 08:11
Astralis 3rd best Danish team xaxaxaxax
2020-10-02 05:08
2020-10-02 05:43
Is your flair that team who lost to ence and got rap** by nip recently?
2020-10-02 09:46
if you mean the team that is 8-1 in pro league and about to win it on sunday, then yes it is
2020-10-02 23:06
Russia VelsVivard
Just in between us... I think it's pretty naive to state that the players whose coaches got banned, didn't know about the exploit and the coach after the exploit just kept it to himself and kept going like nothing happened. It's silly to assume, of course everyone knew. Maybe there's an exception of two with coaches who only used the bug once being actually unaware of what did they discover, but in most cases, it's pretty obvious to me, especially given how filthy the human nature is.
2020-10-02 05:36
Nyholm is an embarrassing moron and everything that comes out of his mouth should always be ignored.
2020-10-02 05:44
Australia zanics
es3tag was the problem i guess lol
2020-10-02 05:45
2020-10-02 05:56
thorin of course is going to try to shit on astralis
2020-10-02 08:33
Those tweets are funny when you know faze isn’t getting rid of Robban. Everyone is a hypocrite.
2020-10-02 05:56
Well.. its quite different with robban. He actually explained his side.
2020-10-02 06:12
I’m suppose to trust the words of a cheater?
2020-10-02 06:51
Wasnt his case from 2016? If it happened again (which we will now) then his story is shit and fk him but for now he looks ok i think
2020-10-02 07:01
Why does it matter when it was from? A cheater is a cheater, whether you believe his excuse or not is not important, he got banned for cheating and Faze chose to believe his story and forgive him. Yet ynk wants to lecture other orgs about integrity, but I guess that is to be expected from the dumbest coach in the pro scene.
2020-10-02 07:15
It matters cuz they only checked 20% of demos so i doubt it goes beyond 2016. And if they wont find anything more on him then his story checks out. The match he encountered the bug fays lost 16-4(?) so it seems hes not lying that he muted his mic. Second time it happened he went to admins and says it never happened again. And if it didnt then he is one of those 0,1% cases.
2020-10-02 08:58
Like I said his story dosn’t matter, he was banned for abusing the coach bug end of story. He could have disconnected from the server instead of sitting the entire match looking at Astralis beaten them while muted. The point is Faze decided to belive Robban’s story even though he has gotten banned for cheating, you do not then get to play the high and mighty trying to shame other orgs for keeping cheaters on their payroll.
2020-10-02 09:54
You can compare his cheating to a runner taking enhacement drugs by accident but never taking part in a race 🙄
2020-10-02 10:21
That analogy only works if he disconnected, but he didn’t. So in this case he did take part in the race but he got savagly beaten and later said he wasn’t trying to win, relying on us believing a cheater.
2020-10-02 10:33
Well, you believe what you wanna believe. GL hf
2020-10-02 14:48
Salty tears
2020-10-02 06:02
For sure
2020-10-02 06:46
Australia FlaKeXD
Wait but didn’t astralis get exposed for using smoke bug.
2020-10-02 06:02
You can go to Nikolajs office and ask😂
2020-10-02 08:49
blah blah blah, Give Heroic its 5 minutes of fame while it lasts. Online lols
2020-10-02 06:04
India sp@rk
Lol, losing to cadian can only boost someone's motivation and astralis need motivation rn. And looking at their faces during the game, these noobs stavn and Borup felt like they have won the major. It's just a playoff game. Beware the next time you face em.
2020-10-02 09:36
Although astralis are literally in their worst form, they were. still beating zywoo, fnc and col. So beating them means a lot to the kids, i m nit saying. this as a an insult to anyone, but no one is gonna remember how bad astralis was rn due to the roster changes Everyone is just gonna remember "Astralis 0 2 Heroic"
2020-10-02 09:49
Denmark nrth_LUL
Blame others for your own short commings great mentality to have.
2020-10-02 07:59
Who cares how old it is. players should still get points reset and get disqualified.
2020-10-02 08:09
Disqualified from where
2020-10-02 09:06
from RMP point tournaments and dont say ence got better. They just cheated with Twista
2020-10-02 10:19
If they had cheated in a RMR, sure
2020-10-02 10:22
Cheaters talking about cheaters lol
2020-10-02 08:26
+1 lul
2020-10-02 08:39
+1 you're a fan of an actual cheater who got banned lul unlike astralis
2020-10-02 09:50
So unprofessional of Asstralis. They should learn to act professionally from NaVi Organization.
2020-10-02 08:29
Haha 7/8.
2020-10-02 08:37
2020-10-02 09:07
Russia ToughGuy
Don't show him new Heroic's t-shirt 😆
2020-10-02 08:36
2020-10-02 08:37
Russia ToughGuy
Check their shop #1 danish team 😆
2020-10-02 08:40 It's Photoshop (or rather Paint) though. nothing here
2020-10-02 08:44
Theet already becoming yellow at their age wtf.
2020-10-02 10:26
Im an Astralis fan to the end but wow.. That is so pathetic😂😂 I get thorin vibes xD
2020-10-02 08:48
They still got rekt, fair and square, at EPL.
2020-10-02 08:53
Poland houzter
expected from Nikolaj "Bad Faith" Nyholm
2020-10-02 09:40
2020-10-02 09:52
he is right lol, are you on drugs?)
2020-10-02 10:32
yes but im still right and he is wrong))
2020-10-02 10:35
I can't believe idiots above defend these cheaters, what the fuck is wrong with you people?? Imagine if someone did the same against you and then claimed they're innocent
2020-10-02 10:41
Heroic keep the cheater so they are cheaters. That is a fact.
2020-10-02 10:43
Wait i dont understand. The entire HLTV community was up in arms to defend Leaf as all the "proof" was circumstantial and didn't actual prove anything. But now when we got a clip that only proves that the coach gave information he shouldn't have had to players people are saying that the players knew the coach was cheating? Sure they should've questioned these perfect calls but that's not a requirement? Thats not against the rules to not question a coaches good call? This is BS man
2020-10-02 12:12
scam artist malding kekw
2020-10-02 12:17
but don't you think it is quite weird that stavn(i think it was) rotated not just ones but turned around multiple times just as astralis turned around from going b to a
2020-10-02 12:27
Poland morosek
Vid shows that players knew so he's right.... right?
2020-10-02 12:48
The vid shows that hunden told the players info, it doesn't show whether the players knew hunden was cheating to get that info
2020-10-02 13:55
omg he very mad for losing wow wtf
2020-10-02 13:43
2020-10-03 14:50
0/8 disgusting low bait
2020-10-02 20:41
0/8 disgusting low bait
2020-10-02 20:52
Poland Recruitn1
Bro trusting in calls is something different than not feeling smth is wrong, they literally are not that dumb to see these calls were too perfect even for a legend and experienced coach. tbh cadiaN is that guy which wanted to shine for too long, wouldn't be suprised if he cheated by knowing this bug exists and hunden told him and they started to use it but hunden felt regret and stopped abusing it and reported it he got caught but players won't becouse theres no other way than publishing TS3
2020-10-03 17:43
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