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Mir, Qikert and Fl1t
Israel MongoBongo 
These guys always pop off, would love to see 1 or 2 of them join NaVi.
2020-10-14 17:36
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#1
ropz | 
United States omaega
two of those already had a chance to join but said no, i'm not sure about mir tho
2020-10-14 17:37
qikert said no, forze refused to sell fl1t for less than his buyout which suggests he may have wanted to
2020-10-14 17:50
#23
ropz | 
United States omaega
didn't fl1t have an interview where he said he wanted to stay and develop with forZe?
2020-10-14 18:01
and you believed that
2020-10-14 18:11
He would never say "I wanted to join navi but org didn't let me go"
2020-10-14 22:45
forze wanted $1.5 million from NaVi for fl1t, NaVi declined it and fl1t was like #46 edit: #88 said the same thing before me, sorry
2020-10-18 17:22
I think Qikert was jus the same as fl1t and forze imo.
2020-10-17 21:50
#61
SANJI | 
Sweden ALVO
Qikert didn't wanna NaVi cuz he really wanted to keep playing with his mates and beleive in his team. So Boombl4 was was their second pick.
2020-10-17 21:58
Like I mean was that actually true or did VP/Avangar just block the transfer so he said this to keep his mates happy? Didnt make sense back then and doesnt make sense now. he should have been like floppy (if he had the choice that is)
2020-10-17 22:20
#74
SANJI | 
Sweden ALVO
You want me to link the article?
2020-10-18 00:32
you misunderstood. I agree with what you said I believe that Qikert said that, but imo I think that he just said that because the org but an insane price tag on him so Navi cant buy him so he says that.
2020-10-18 01:24
#86
SANJI | 
Sweden ALVO
Yeah I see your point but sounds very strange cuz Avangar is/was an very small org compared to NaVi and dosen't have to think about their reputation in the same way. Tbh I think they actually can be honest to the community and say that if it was so. Im maybe wrong tho, but that's just my POV of ¨the situation¨ :)
2020-10-18 01:48
yeah, but I think we can assume for sure there is fuckery with buyouts in the CIS scene. I mean perfecto turned out to be good, but like NaVi reaching that far down for a player? doesnt add up. Its like if old SK wanted a new player but they had to go down to the 5th best BR team to get em lul.
2020-10-18 02:33
#93
SANJI | 
Sweden ALVO
In the end of the day it's all buiness...
2020-10-18 10:42
fl1t decided himself to stay in forze
2020-10-17 22:03
you are believing CIS PR dogshit? Next thing you tell me is that AST never told a lie
2020-10-17 22:20
Flair checks out
2020-10-18 13:22
#128 men #88
2020-10-18 17:22
buyout for FL1T was 1 million. When contract over, he will probably come to Na'Vi dexerto.com/csgo/forze-reportedly-set-1-..
2020-10-18 02:37
qikert topkek
2020-10-14 17:37
he has been in more major finals than navi lately LUL
2020-10-14 18:14
yeah sanji too
2020-10-14 20:05
Just saying that quikert is actually really good player and i think him staying with VP wasnt stupid move. Like he would be forced to play soemthing he isnt comfortable with (either role or teammates) why ruin your career like that?
2020-10-14 20:09
i didnt say it was bad decision but i think that buster, yekindar, jame > quikert
2020-10-14 20:17
Depends, i think jame is more valuable to the team but as fragger not really, I havent watched a whole lot of VP but qikert is instrumental in their success.
2020-10-14 20:26
No
2020-10-18 03:07
lmao vp is just fluke team like cloud9 or gambit
2020-10-17 21:25
FLuke team just 2:0 NAvi LUL
2020-10-18 00:24
yes lol u didnt see how many times vp just killed through smoke or wall?
2020-10-18 00:27
If navi were so much better but unlucky they would have taken atleast map from them. VP are good team and lets be honest Navi won lots of maps because of dumb lucky kills trough smokes.
2020-10-18 00:28
XD if vp is good team why they cant win good tournament or at least take top 4? Cuz they r avg team which can win only vs navi
2020-10-18 00:48
"can win only against navi" have been doing pretty good since buster is in active roster. also undefeated in IEM new york CIS LUL
2020-10-18 00:50
they r playing only vs 1 t1 team(navi), in 1 month vp will play like bad team
2020-10-18 11:52
cry more
2020-10-18 15:33
lmao, i am not crying
2020-10-18 15:51
2020-10-18 15:54
but its true?
2020-10-18 16:09
Still sounds like crying
2020-10-18 16:19
no
2020-10-18 17:12
Cry is free
2020-10-18 17:18
Yes fucking cheaters! So is astralis and any other team that beats the uncontested goat team navi!
2020-10-18 11:59
where did i say vp are cheaters or navi goat team? u mad?
2020-10-18 12:24
as if sanji is bad
2020-10-18 10:45
Flamie has been in more top20s than qikert lately LUL
2020-10-18 16:43
Team achievements are better than personal achievemens. Thats why s1mple and zywoo cannot be goats
2020-10-18 16:59
No, they cannot be goats in your mind because your favourite player isnt as good as them, so retards come up with new categories in which they seem to think falls under the title of best player..
2020-10-18 17:02
Qikert is not my favorite palyer LUL i just said that team achievement are more important than solo achievements.
2020-10-18 17:18
You said they'll never be seen as the greatest PLAYERS because they dont have team achievements... in what world does team achievements define how good a player individually is? And i didn't imply Qikert, you're probably a fan of dev1ce i was guessing.
2020-10-18 17:20
Greatest of all time doesnt mean greatest single performer. In means greatest palyer overall. In every team sport team achievements are also taken into consideration. Thats why same applies for CS. Fan of device. holding angles is very hard.
2020-10-18 17:22
-flamie -boombl4 +mir +chopper ez top1
2020-10-14 17:39
#5
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United Kingdom zyrexxi
get to the choppa
2020-10-14 17:39
nao
2020-10-14 17:42
#9
vanity | 
Finland vjlle
+1
2020-10-14 17:43
#4
PAGO | 
Poland Kazk
Qikert is happy to Play with his friends :)
2020-10-14 17:39
#6
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Russia VelsVivard
Mir is high above these two if I'm being honest, although I agree they're good as well. Qika is also an IGL, or was, for a long time. But he doesn't always go off in a huge way.
2020-10-14 17:42
#58
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Europe legal2333
why do you overrate mir that much? He is a very good player but you describe him like he's something special Yekindar=mir
2020-10-17 21:30
#89
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Russia VelsVivard
Because he's indeed something special, in a good team environment he always delivers, no matter the tier of the opponent. He's very reliable and high skilled. Much more experienced than YEKINDAR and surely a lot more consistent. Right now mir is above all the rest.
2020-10-18 03:00
Mir was given chance in Gambit hltv.org/stats/players/matches/8789/mir?.. Lets be honest he wasnt really good. If he cant prove himself with spirit what is the point to get him for NAvi?
2020-10-18 01:00
#90
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Russia VelsVivard
I think you phrased it wrong, it's Gambit who was given a chance with mir, that team was on a downward spiral ever since Zeus left, you can't blame the players for not performing. Mir doesn't have to prove anything, he was great in Vega, he is great in TS, teams that are built properly and have a solid foundation is where he belongs and he never lets down. And I'm really not saying that he should go to Na'Vi, that team is on thin ice, I wish he stays in TS, much better for him.
2020-10-18 03:03
fair enough on the point that spirit is better place for him
2020-10-18 03:52
#82
mir | 
Russia M13F
according to Jame today, qikert was IGL 2 years ago, just for a couple of months
2020-10-18 01:10
#8
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Nah, instead we should get other CIS teams to get these guys so that other than NaVi can represent CIS at higher tier tournaments. Spirit seems to be reaching that level
2020-10-14 17:42
#55
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Russia Strikeshow
i think vp>spirit
2020-10-17 21:24
#64
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Current VP is sure as hell looking quite scary but Spirit is giving tough fights to T1 Euro teams for some time now, I think not a fair assessment. Hopefully we get to see both teams going at it in this RMR event
2020-10-17 22:16
VP is top 15 team for sure. they 2:0 godsent at flashpoint qualifier and godsent is giving proper t1 teams big problems on EU scene so...
2020-10-18 01:04
#83
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Well Godsent is for sure a T2 EU team, and Spirit actually managed to defeat teams like NiP, Vitality and Faze not too long ago, gave time tough to Astralis as well as almost took down Faze before the playerbreak when they were actually playing pretty good. But yes current VP sure does look hot
2020-10-18 01:17
Godsent beat Nip, Faze , G2 not too long ago too. Gave tought time to big for example. Godsent is on verge of t1/t2
2020-10-18 01:38
God Qikert and Mir are happy to play with their friends They don't need to come in NaVi
2020-10-14 17:44
+ mir + fl1t + sh1ro - flamie - boombl4 - perfecto
2020-10-14 17:46
if you think in removing perfecto , you must have bellow 0 iq. even some pros like karrigan and his team are always praising perfecto , for how good he fits navi, lul
2020-10-14 17:49
+1
2020-10-14 20:18
+1, perfecto instrumental to navis success....dude gets shitty roles and drops guns all the time so he hast to play with deagle or some other Shit and still manages to have big impact
2020-10-18 12:02
Why kick Boombl4 ??
2020-10-14 18:00
#33
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Croatia mds818
and who tf would shiro replace? dude ur delusional
2020-10-14 18:22
-s1mple +iDISBALANCE -flamie +magixx eztop1
2020-10-14 17:47
Ez out of top 30
2020-10-14 17:57
qikert has negative IQ didn't he decline an offer from Na'Vi
2020-10-14 17:47
Why would he want to become s1mple's bait? He can have much more freedom in VP
2020-10-14 17:54
Aah another person saying simple is a baiter. Go on tell everyone he is a baiter. You are different my friend you are not like the mass who think simple is actually good. Wake up and watch a couple of games before showing your room temperature iq.
2020-10-14 17:57
Go and keep sucking s1mple's dick, name checks out btw
2020-10-14 18:01
#29
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
if you dont suck s1mple dick, you do not know what you're missing
2020-10-14 18:17
S1mple is good, he propably is the best, now zywoo is in contention as well, but i can understand that players wouldnt join navi to become the guy sacrifising his performance for the star....look at perfecto, hes getting so much hate although he is the best looking in navi besides s1mple imo, he just has to play the bitch roles and drop guns
2020-10-18 12:04
That's pretty much obvious... S1mple could go to any team and be the star player... the other players on that team would have to sacrifice to utilise the teams biggest and best weapon- s1mple. They do it for the team because he is their best chance to win... Look at electronic.. he could be the best player on any other team but stays on navi in s1mple's shadow..
2020-10-18 17:04
Yeah everyones own decision but ppl have to understand that if u see the potential in urself to be the best u cant just play for the best, u habe to surpass him and thats pretty hard for anyone from navi or vitality for example Sometimes u have to take risks, for some they pay off, for some they dont.
2020-10-18 17:11
Yh but how do you know what that player is thinking? There is a certain skill ceiling for every player, some players have a very high ceiling, some have a lower ceiling, he might know that he's never going to be the best, that might not be his role fl1t was an igl nobody relies on them to frag out like crazy. He probably wanted to move to navi- the biggest org in the CIS region to try to win t1 titles or even just get paid a lot, every player looks up to them and dreams about playing for navi, Forze probably just didn't want to let him go. Not everyone can be the best player- you've got to try to be the best version of yourself, too many people are caught up on trying to compare themselves with other people, not everyone has the same journey, same work ethic, same morals etc.
2020-10-18 17:15
Yeah, wise words, i was just trying to tell ppl that not ppaying with navi isnt a stupid decision for everyone;D
2020-10-18 17:52
Now hes getting baited by jame lol
2020-10-14 20:19
Jame doesnt bait, he just save the awp %90 of the rounds
2020-10-14 22:37
0/8
2020-10-15 06:14
he decided to stay, and went through major final. Now they have new blood in VP, maybe the can be a stable top 2 cis team. Na'Vi won 1 normal tournament since berlin major
2020-10-14 18:21
How much vp won from blast?
2020-10-18 16:47
i would love -flamie + fl1t but is never gonna happen :(
2020-10-14 17:47
Nah fl1t is baiter. mir would be actually perfect fit. He plays aggressive and thats what they need in T. And he plays alot of same positions as flamie. Would easily work. But I think NAVI will get m0nesy/b1t next year, if cs stays alive.
2020-10-14 18:10
thats true , but flamie also is a baiter , always baiting perfecto (talking about ct side setups), but is a terrible baiter , if they replace him with a baiter who can actually frag , then would be a massive upgrade
2020-10-14 18:39
Tier 3 CIS team.
2020-10-14 17:59
They could make a good lineup fl1t qikert mir sdy jame/xsepower Actually looks better than Navi
2020-10-14 18:16
It doesnt look better than navi but looks like a solid top 15 team
2020-10-14 20:20
VP is already solid top 15 team
2020-10-18 01:09
Top 27*
2020-10-18 16:47
Them not having points doesnt mean they are not top15 NA has 3 teams in top 10 while only 1 deserves to be there for example.
2020-10-18 16:58
Yekindar 😮
2020-10-14 18:16
mir had a chance in Gambit, before gambit he had the same perfomance in vega as he showing as in spirit.
2020-10-14 18:18
#57
mir | 
Russia H833
In Gambit, he played 1v5 always
2020-10-17 21:30
Qikert could have been in Navi, but he might have ruined his career by staying in Avangar. Those guys havent had any results to speak of since the major run, which lets be honest, was a fluke.
2020-10-14 18:20
Perfecto>>>qikert
2020-10-14 20:21
#42
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Kazakhstan axakz
lmao
2020-10-14 20:26
#44
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Brazil setsz
+1 Ax1Le too
2020-10-14 20:57
It's pretty amazing everytime people think that you can build a team of top fraggers. Quite dumbfounding that people here never understand that any given 5 man roster has 1-2 people that are in position to "pop off", depending on map/side. Everyone else has to be a sidekick.
2020-10-15 06:18
#49
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Namibia doggc
Mir = tier 1 qikert and flit = tier 2
2020-10-15 06:21
they were at some point asked by navi qikert denied the offer and thats why he is in VP now mir and flit were potentials like sdy
2020-10-15 06:26
Mir a bit old
2020-10-17 21:00
>24 >old wtf
2020-10-17 21:05
yekindar too
2020-10-17 21:12
+mir +jerry -boombl4 -flamie But elec is playing not that good, he is either god or bot. s1mple pretty decent awper. perfecto really solid support player. They lack strats and jerry will help them alot. And Jerry will help on ct by not giving entry every round. Mir will help doing entry in T side. BUT CSGO is dead, so no point about thinking this.
2020-10-17 21:18
#67
mir | 
United States smeeshi
lol elec is still one of the best players in the world watch a demo
2020-10-17 22:21
yes he does support really well, maybe even help boombl4 in mid round calls aswell. But he is not able to have that much impact as a rifler.
2020-10-17 22:37
#71
mir | 
United States smeeshi
he has some of the best ct site holds in the world imo
2020-10-18 00:28
Boombl4 > Jerry
2020-10-18 10:44
never touch VP,Spirit and forze...you can send on mail navi coache and join them..never tell that any players of this teams join to Na`Wi..full trash
2020-10-17 21:55
#98
B1T | 
Ukraine devitt
yea navi full trash but somehow the only top tier CIS team that able of winning T1 tournaments and going far at them. The only time I saw other CIS team going far at t1 events were AVANGAR(once time) and old Gambit. So now i wonder who is trash between all these CIS teams????.....
2020-10-18 11:57
#62
Dima | 
CIS Veyles
NAVI ruining carriers -seized -Guardian -kibaken -flamie -perfecto
2020-10-17 22:02
#73
mir | 
United States smeeshi
perfecto went from being on an extremely mediocre team getting paid probably like 3k a month to being on a top 5 team getting paid at least 10k a month. if that's what ruining a career is then sign me up lol
2020-10-18 00:29
And also he became a champion of IEM Katowice with Na'Vi.
2020-10-18 10:45
Dont agree with perfecto he fits the team pretty well.
2020-10-18 01:07
what a retard xd
2020-10-18 12:05
Guardian made his career on navi lol... seized is washed up... he shouldn't have tried IGLing, that ruined his career. Kibaken- who tf is that? Flamie has been on navi for 5 years and been the same fucking guy- good for a series, bad for 3 series, good for another series, bad for another 3 series, his inconsistency is his biggest personal problem alongside his old habit of tilting. Perfecto is like 20, his t1 career only just started this year and he has arguably one of the biggest and best t1 trophies in his cabinet already.
2020-10-18 17:08
New superteam: mir Yekindar Fl1t iDisbalance qikert
2020-10-18 15:58
+1 Too bad they're too nice
2020-10-18 15:59
+1
2020-10-18 16:22
#116
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China L0n35
sh1ro?
2020-10-18 16:53
mir to navi
2020-10-19 19:36
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