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magixx | 
Russia R3YBAH 
twitter.com/Jerrycsgo1/status/1317857583.. translation: According to the rules of this RMR tournament, the team must contact the opponent during the transfer and agree on the transfer. No one contacted us and just put us in front of the fact. imagine this would happen with anyone on the opposite side (Espada for example) nobody would postpone it. That's biased af.
2020-10-18 18:03
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Navi is just disgusting
2020-10-18 18:04
#127
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United States loganipad
cry harder bro covid is special case
2020-10-18 20:10
NaVi disgusting, their fans - even worse
2020-10-18 18:05
MIBR fan from Brazil talking 🤣
2020-10-18 18:06
Navi fans worse btw
2020-10-18 18:07
Baguette talking lol
2020-10-18 18:08
0 majors lol
2020-10-18 18:12
kids you are idiotes - ALL
2020-10-18 18:15
ok boomer
2020-10-18 18:19
fake youwrong?
2020-10-18 18:37
im not mibr fan ?
2020-10-18 18:12
#58
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Russia Tank0v
+1
2020-10-18 18:26
+1.
2020-10-18 20:09
Yeap, as we all knew Na'Vi has some strings in ESL and they will be granted with delay. Rule are rules and I support giving Na'Vi a technical lose. I hope people will stand for this and first of all ForZe owners as they did with lmbt.
2020-10-18 18:06
Tech lose ain't a thing in this case, they should play with B1ad3 and that's it
2020-10-18 18:07
They will never do it in RMR, we saw North did it and lose 20% of points just for stand-ining coach, and Na'Vi wouldn't like to lose points, so they would rather choose not to play ---> Tech lose.
2020-10-18 18:08
Wait are they losing points for a coach instead of a player?
2020-10-18 18:09
no idk what the fuck he is talking about when did north lose their points lmao
2020-10-18 18:23
#69
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Pakistan LoOuU2
2020-10-18 18:30
When they subbed kjaerbye with their coach. Lmao some people here are so short minded
2020-10-18 18:31
#68
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Pakistan LoOuU2
At any moment in a RMR tournament match, if someone else aka a 6th person fields in place of the original 5 linuep which were submitted before the tournament, the team will lose 20% of their points. Same happened with North where Kjearbye couldn't play because of medical and they had to play with their coach Kristou and hence, lose their points.
2020-10-18 18:30
I didn't know that team can lose points playing with a coach, I thought that the coach is the part of roster, thanks for that info :D
2020-10-18 18:31
#79
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Yea it really is a dumb rule tbh, at least coach should be allowed to field in for a player without any sort of penalty, but it is what it is.
2020-10-18 18:36
Thank u man for explaining this instead of me, you have my respect.
2020-10-18 19:09
#111
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Pakistan LoOuU2
No problem Mr. Ruski, I got your back 😉
2020-10-18 19:10
#115
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Norway TrippleS
probably is to prevent teams just having 6 man roster and no actual coach, and rather a real player, lets say astralis just said fuck it to zonic, the event atm is online anyways, so they can cheat and have zonic in the room and be coach and then field this team, and just swap players, without losing points, would just make teams without coaches abuse it by having another real player bubzki (coach) device glavie dupreeh es3tag magisk
2020-10-18 19:17
Yeah, that's an obvious reason, but with the recent popularisation of 6th player there will be a space for him (or it will work like it's either a coach or a 6th player)
2020-10-18 19:18
Yea they r - look at first RMR i think North-Movistar Riders match i think, and then look it at Liquidpedia
2020-10-18 19:10
surely you are aware that a deadly disease is a different case than them just "deciding to postpone it" right
2020-10-18 18:07
You can easily play either with a stand-in or with a coach
2020-10-18 18:07
Yeah , thats what forze wants, so they can win. Theres why they are so mad about it , they thought they would play with coach , and get a ez win, bunch of fucking russian bots. This is a desease , that could had be predicted in advance, not the same as someone doesnt wanna play or is not home today, its a different situacion , so deserves a diferent solution.
2020-10-18 18:14
u think he will cure corona in 1 day ?
2020-10-18 18:14
Read again. Where did i said that? But maybe tomorrow he is felling better and maybe wants to play it. Theres something that needs time to find a solution... not just 30 minutes before the match , think about a quick solution and then lose to fucking forze..
2020-10-18 18:16
"maybe tomorrow he is felling better and maybe wants to play it" lol... or maybe not.. guys im feeling sick today lets play tomorrow or maybe in 2 days brooo i hope u realize how ridicolous this is XD its a sport, if u are not ready to play - forfeit, no one is going to blame you, why tf they deserve to find a BETTER standin?
2020-10-18 18:19
0iq foreal man
2020-10-18 19:56
#123
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Argentina Joedash
Forzar knew perfecto had coronavirus today 30 mins before match.
2020-10-18 20:00
#124
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Argentina Joedash
It doesn't deserve a different solution. They literally presented the problem 30 mins before the match. They deserve a penality for not letting a team who got prepared for the match and could have spent time in other ways, know the problem atleast 2 days before.
2020-10-18 20:03
stand ins are not allowed
2020-10-18 18:16
so coach is a perfect replacement, known igl in the past so it wouldn't be any problem for em
2020-10-18 18:19
I mean a player catches a COVID. They are in the same building btw. You think they should ignore Perfecto's state of health and just play CS?
2020-10-18 18:22
They are at their homes. Bootcamp belongs to dota 2 roster rn s1mple and electronic both were at home, boombl4 had covid test recently which wasn't positive, so yes
2020-10-18 18:31
#89
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Europe Baunsator
deadly disease xd 0,14% mortality
2020-10-18 18:47
please dont be a moron
2020-10-18 20:21
deadly disease lmao dudes 20yo and healthy could have gotten lfu just as well
2020-10-18 19:14
? it hurts alot, you have to self isolate, and can spread to whole world + kills old people, dont be stupid
2020-10-18 21:14
everyone is blaming navi for this, when it was surely a esl decision ruski brain ofc
2020-10-18 18:07
I would kindly ask you to point out any blames from me
2020-10-18 18:08
jerry’s tweets, xsepower’s tweets are all addressed to navi and how they are the bad guys no one tweeted to esl tho, seems like those idiots just want attention rather than to find a solution lmbt’s reaction was nice tho, fair play to him, looks like he is the only one with more than 90iq on the team :)
2020-10-18 18:10
Well they're human beings and people tend to have emotions so that's fine (I agree that it's not good for such a person to behave like that but this case is totally unfair for their team so it's kind of a tie)
2020-10-18 18:11
I understand that, just surprised that grown men who are in esports for a long time haven’t figured how this business works and what is more concerning, prefer to cry instead of solving problems
2020-10-18 18:13
xsepower is known toxic. Always crying about something.
2020-10-18 18:13
they say ESL is treating NaVi differently, but they are not blaming navi
2020-10-18 18:20
Jerry: “ But when it comes to Na'Vi all re-schedlue it's all good for them. 1/2” xse: “ Game against @natusvincere , rescheduled, this is bullshit, if there was any other team, it would be TL, or played with a coach)” dont see them tagging esl do you?
2020-10-18 18:23
no but maybe read ? if they tag navi doesnt mean they are putting the blame on them anyway navi deserve every single bit of hate, piece of trash org and team, i remember when s0mple didnt agree to change the server because he would have 20 more ping vs pro100 XD scumbag
2020-10-18 18:25
yeah yeah yeah all u guys do is cry on twitter and hltv how navi is bad anything changed? no stay mad :)
2020-10-18 18:27
anything changed? yes they are most hated team in their region, their fanbase consists of <14yo kids or <60 iq subhumans
2020-10-18 18:29
that is factually incorrect but I appreciate ur contribution to this discussion
2020-10-18 18:30
this is factually correct 1. open NaVi fanpage in vk 2. click on 20 random people in the comments 3. enjoy
2020-10-18 18:32
if you would bring up cs go hs vk page most of them are just baiting (can't say anything for other groups tho)
2020-10-18 18:33
danya zadorozhny legenda
2020-10-18 18:34
jerry again twitter.com/jerrycsgo1/status/1317856931.. all salty about navi
2020-10-18 18:26
ahhh so ure ruski, i see now, stupid navi fanboy LUL
2020-10-18 18:27
yep showed ur intelligence with one response cry is free my friend
2020-10-18 18:28
#125
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Argentina Joedash
Every single tweet jerry says something, is about how disastrous navi were, that they let knew fire 30 mins before the match, that they had problems and ESL decided to reschedule the match without even asking forze for an agreement with both teams. He blames both navi(they have part of the problem), and how biased ESL is. Navi org will look awful after such bs move.
2020-10-18 20:08
Stop crying , its business , navi has the biggest amount of viewers , this is a big loss for esl to give navi tech lose
2020-10-18 18:09
first of all, it is a sports competition, not a business
2020-10-18 18:08
Its for you sport but not for esl and sponsors
2020-10-18 18:10
Xd
2020-10-18 18:10
#21
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Serbia TheSerb
Its a business they invest milions of $ for you to watch so stop with this peanut brain comment
2020-10-18 18:11
There are rules in a rulebook and if you create them u have to follow them in equal form
2020-10-18 18:13
#15
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Ukraine McSwell
Forze players continue malding instead of preparing for tomorrow match.
2020-10-18 18:09
That makes sense for any other case- e.g. is he had a stomach ache or tooth ache but with COVID they have to quarantine, all the players together, coach,staff etc. get tested, they have to notify the people they were in contact with that they have covid- it's stupid to put a video game ahead of letting people walk around and interact with other people not knowing they could have covid- that's why covid cases are so high because nobody fucking knows they have it and decide to go integrate in large crowds.
2020-10-18 18:09
I have to remind you about Na Vi vs pro100 game where dimasick got ping issues on a dedicated server and when he informed ESL about it, ESL asked Na Vi firstly if they wanna change the server to the one which is situated in Moscow, they refused it due to s1mple's high ping (it was smth like it would increase from 20 to 55, not that big of a deal for him) Here's another case, other team didn't get asked about re-scheduling n shit, ESL has done it without asking Na Vi's opponent Though there's no rule about COVID so it ain't fair (biased) towards forze
2020-10-18 18:18
a) 55 ping is massive in the professional circuit... don't be stupid... b)s1mple played on a high ping for a large majority of this online period at the start, his fans were making excuses and he himself tweeted out saying that he can't blame the ping because they all played badly so i doubt that story is even true or if there is a lot more to it c) That makes sense... why should someone sacrifice their own gameplay to better suit someone else's? this isn't the same situation.. it's not liked the game started, navi were losing 13-2 and then called to reschedule at the half... it was called before it started d) Perfecto was in a bootcamp with other people, the players,coach,staff. he was probably also outside and socialising with friends, if you have covid in Britain you must immediately let everyone you've been in contact with know, they have to then go and get tested. His tweet also said he was very sick, we live in times where "normal" isnt normal... some things transcend a video game.
2020-10-18 18:25
seems like you didn't get my point rules say: ''every re-schedule'' must be coordinated with the opponent, but nobody has informed forze about it what about others boombl4 isn't sick (recently he passed the test) and s1mple with electronic were at homes, b1ad3 ain't sick indeed so, there's no problem in playing a single game Once again, rules are rules and I see a way this match being played with a coach at least. Just biased behaviour
2020-10-18 18:29
Accoding to the players nobody was informed about it, the players dont have a say in it- the organisation forze, the governing body,the coach do, they might have agreed to it. And how do you know people aren't sick? I'm guessing you don't have a superpower that lets you know how others are feeling? Also Boombl4's test was over 5 days ago... the virus doesnt decide to not appear after you've had a test... my neighbour tested negative 1 day then tested positive 2 days later... that happens often... Seems like you lack any deep thinking that requires you to use more than two braincells to think about how a scenario differs from another
2020-10-18 18:33
Are you retarded? s1mple was at home (so as electronic) boombl4 got his negative test recently ( twitter.com/Boombl4CS/status/13164467600.. ) the only player who can be sick is flamie but seems like he's not cuz he feels himself well they didn't agree on anything that's why they got mad at esl ( vk.com/wall-113066361_3315874?reply=3315.. ) translation: use translator, translation there is pretty accurate 5 days ago, wooooww!! at this point let's test every single player from every single team every day and postpone any match with covid infected ones without any agreement, fuck any rules, that's it right? PS. I don't think forze wouldn't postpone match, they are mad because of the way this shit happened, nobody asked them about anything, and for them it seems like if you're Na Vi u're allowed to do anything
2020-10-18 18:41
Read the comments ffs... i just told you the player's dont have the final say, the org does Forze and the coach might have agreed to it without the player's knowing, or ESL might have intervened and done what they thought was best in this scenario... what is so hard to understand about that? Besides you're actually fucking stupid... THE TEST WAS OVER 5 DAYS AGO IDIOT... IT TAKES TIME FOR COVID TO GET IN TO YOUR SYSTEM, THE TEST DOESNT PICK UP ON THAT, OR HE MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN IT IN THE PAST 5 DAYS. And where does flamie say he feels well? Literally making shit up...
2020-10-18 18:42
Have u ever seen anything like that? When org just makes a decision without saying shit to players? I didn't >or ESL might have intervened and done what they thought was best in this scenario... there are rules that say if you're not ready to play u can make aN agreement on the postpone, I am sure forze players would have agreed on that. Do you even realize why I call it biased towards Na Vi?
2020-10-18 18:58
#129
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Argentina Joedash
Acording to info. Forze didn't have a word for an agreement, navi said "perfecto is sick, pls reschedule" and ESL immediately agreed with them.
2020-10-18 20:12
#96
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Uzbekistan zMo_z
1) ping for pro100 players was ~100, for s1mple 20. he refused to play on 50 ping server for both teams. 2) They are not in bootcamp, as mentioned above dota2 team is bootcamping rn in that place. You could see flamie is playing from home at last match. 3) their coach also tweteed that he is confused with this treatment.
2020-10-18 19:01
well you can read nad you can go look for facts so why yo udidn´t look or them ??? there oposition said it is ok nad that they understand
2020-10-18 18:11
#24
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Serbia TheSerb
What happened?
2020-10-18 18:11
Game got postponed cuz Pefecto's COVID test went positive
2020-10-18 18:12
#34
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Serbia TheSerb
In that case the match should be postponed becouse its a health issue
2020-10-18 18:15
rules are rules it doesnt matter if u have a headache or if u dont have internet connection
2020-10-18 18:21
but he could have infected boombl4, flamie blad3 and manager... They need to be tested as well before they can play cuz they have to know how to deal with the situation. So in such cases the TO have the freedom to decide. Also Valve had made this rule for the TOs maybe??
2020-10-18 18:46
from his own apartment? xD
2020-10-18 19:01
You can infect people before you have any symptoms up to 14 days in extreme cases 21 days.
2020-10-18 19:02
#104
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Uzbekistan zMo_z
they left the bootcamp after the final vs. Astralis. that was exactly 14 days ago.
2020-10-18 19:06
the only one who can be infected is flamie but he's not complaining, therefore, he's ok to play
2020-10-18 19:07
not complaining =/= not infected
2020-10-18 19:08
at this point test everyone who's playing on esl events and postpone every single match where covid infected player will be found and as 104 mentioned 14 days has passed
2020-10-18 19:09
defecto got covid and navi wanted auto win because as they said "we would win easily 2-0, so lets save time"
2020-10-18 18:13
#76
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Perfecto got tested positive for Corona, half an hour before their match Forze were made aware that the match is being postponed. Forze players are claiming that ESL didn't contacted them regarding this situation like it states in the rules and made the decision on their own and also calling out their biasness towards NaVi for favoring them while in similar situation, other teams would have been forced to forfeit or play with a stand in
2020-10-18 18:34
How many teams had Covid cases during a tournament?? Jerry assumption can't be proven or checked by experience cuz it is the first case.
2020-10-18 18:44
#90
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Pakistan LoOuU2
2020-10-18 18:47
2020-10-18 18:48
what's wrong with Jerry and xse I mean your colleague and co-citizen caught a deadly disease and you are shitting on him on the Internet because of one game. man, that's awful
2020-10-18 18:18
perfecto now ukrainian man, thats why they hate him
2020-10-18 18:20
twitter.com/Jerrycsgo1/status/1317862135.. nobody shitted on him, his point ain't stupid and makes perfect sense in this case
2020-10-18 18:21
twitter.com/xsepower/status/131785000468.. "nobody shitted on him, his point ain't stupid and makes perfect sense in this case" ok
2020-10-18 18:28
read the tweet I linked once again
2020-10-18 18:29
nobody really shitted on him and yes it makes sense explain why it doesnt?
2020-10-18 19:17
deadly XD
2020-10-18 18:22
Can someone explain the situation? I think it would be fair to postpone the match,like come on,Perfecto got a potentially deadly disease,the team might have to be in quarantine,they could grant the team a postpone by sympathy.
2020-10-18 18:24
i think navi should disband after this
2020-10-18 18:24
But organizing everything again isn´t the easiest process. Both teams have Monday and Tuesday free for official games, but still not the easiest possible.
2020-10-18 18:29
#80
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Pakistan LoOuU2
#76 Problem ain't Perfectos rona, it's rules being differentiated for different teams.
2020-10-18 18:36
covid isn't mentioned in the rules.
2020-10-18 18:42
#88
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Doesn't matter, the consequence of the problem on NaVi's side is same which is a player not being able to play for whatever reason. VP recently got punished for that, NaVi should be too. Instead ESL doesn't even follow their own rulebook of consulting with the opposition team and made the decision on their own. It's bullshit, don't defend this. Just get the coach to play in, only 30 minutes are left and you do such a decision at the 11th hour Hope Perfecto recovers soon
2020-10-18 18:47
The reason is obv they need to test the flamie, boombl4, blad3 before they can make a decision about the match. Imagine boombl4 has no covid but then blad3 steps in and infect boombl4 and boombl4 dies yeah nice all for a fucking RMR match. No one from ESL would take that burden.
2020-10-18 18:48
#93
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Pakistan LoOuU2
I am not aware if some of these NaVi guys are still boot camping or nah, but it wouldnt take more than half an hour to set up Blade in some other room, away from Flamie and Big Boom so as to keep them away from each other. Wtf argument Jerman guy
2020-10-18 18:57
and to change all this room stuff happens without any contact with other people?? LUL yeah magic exist at least in Ukraine.
2020-10-18 19:03
#101
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Pakistan LoOuU2
Blade can do a short technical crash course online and carry all the things himself to the other room Kappa
2020-10-18 19:04
#100
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Uzbekistan zMo_z
they're not bootcamping rn. they're playing from their own apartments.
2020-10-18 19:04
and since when?? cuz 14 days time to spread it easily without any symptoms.
2020-10-18 19:06
#106
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Uzbekistan zMo_z
since last event. that ended 14 days ago.
2020-10-18 19:07
#130
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Argentina Joedash
Jerman, open your mind and understand something. Navi DIDNT reach to an AGREEMENT with forze ORG, and ESL immediately RESCHEDULED the game WITHOUT ASKING forze what would be the best solution.
2020-10-18 20:18
#120
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Serbia TheSerb
They didint get punished for that, vp played in flashpoint qualifier and were late 15 min becouse they didint finish in time, this punishment is ok becouse flashpoint is iem rival league, perfecto being positive to covid is smt different since they all need to be tested then.
2020-10-18 19:46
s1mple and electronic were playing from their homes, therefore, they're not sick (unless they caught it somewhere else
2020-10-18 19:51
What do you mean exactly by that?
2020-10-18 19:04
#102
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Pakistan LoOuU2
2020-10-18 19:05
Yeah,that was scummy from them tbh,they should've asked Forze about this situation,they would've surely agreed to a postpone.That puts the entire thing in a different light.
2020-10-18 19:19
The TOs decide they pay. And in times of Covid it is better the TOs decide. Otherwise, some teams would abuse it to get free wins. As forze try to do now.
2020-10-18 18:41
f**k froZe they lost to neXus and now they complain about they have the opportunity to not lose against navi lol, btw this was a different scenario bcs Perfecto is sick is not the same like VP when they had a "busy day" so make the difference dumb ass and about fr0ze playes who complain l2p hltv.org/matches/2344633/forze-vs-nexus-..
2020-10-18 19:13
rules are made to be broken
2020-10-18 19:44
Imo it's not that this game shouldn't have been postponed, it's that any other team in this situation should also have match postponed.
2020-10-18 20:10
#133
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Hungary Karpatia
Sadge.
2020-10-19 15:10
#134
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Ukraine GluckFM
Standard procedure in case of postponing a game is asking opposing team for postponement, but if they object, you have to play with coach or forfeit. But it is a procedure for normal cases, like VP having scheduling issues. Now COVID is a very serious shit, a force major, in which case it is up to ESL to decide and they make their decision considering all factors, which they made in favor of Navi. We don't really know if this decision was biased towards Navi. If smaller team would get postponement due to COVID no one would complain. ESL may have just decided to avoid negative publicity due to disregarding COVID situation. Imo everyone should try to be flexible in finding solutions in this pandemic reality, consider all factors and in the end its is not such a big problem for Forze to reschedule, but it is a big deal to Navi, they couldn't even play with coach because of automatic RMR points loss (same as happened to North).
2020-10-19 16:05
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