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GOAT of csgo
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Brazil fallenShere 
- coldzera - device - s1mple - Get_Right - olofmeister - Zywoo - FalleN GOAT candidates are those, and its not up for discussion. Who do you think GOAT is? imo its coldzera, because he is the only one who got #1 twice, along with GTR, but he played in the most competitive era of csgo unlike GTR. After them, dev1ce and s1mple are #3 and #4 in my opinion. What are your thoughts?
2020-10-19 13:36
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Why is this even a question, this is Device hands down He has actual impact on his team sweeping the entire scene What has Zywoo and Simple won? Nothing. They are nobodies and dont have a winning instinct. Theyre alibi players.
2020-10-19 13:37
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s1mple is BOAT (best of all time). dev1ce is GOAT (greatest of all time)
2020-10-19 13:38
12 replies
S1mple is not best of all time lul. f0rest getting trophies left and right, while S1mple is still getting breastmilk
2020-10-19 14:00
9 replies
U are retarded. #61 is implying that boat and goat are 2 different things and u are using the same definition to hate on simple
2020-10-19 14:35
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+1
2020-10-19 17:57
+1
2020-10-19 18:09
+1
2020-10-20 13:56
+1
2020-10-20 14:04
#76
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North America 007DBR9
s1mple is better at cs dev1ce is better at winning
2020-10-19 14:53
3 replies
s1mple better individual skill player device better team player
2020-10-19 17:23
2 replies
*device better team
2020-10-19 21:53
1 reply
that too
2020-10-19 22:15
#144
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Faroe Islands sundby
you misspelled ZywOo as a boat
2020-10-19 18:20
+1
2020-10-19 20:19
coldzera won more than dev1ce as individually
2020-10-19 13:38
25 replies
Device has more majors in 1 year than coldzera+s1mple+zywoo combined have in their entire careers nt tho BR flag
2020-10-19 13:40
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how many #1 hltv did device win?
2020-10-19 13:46
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how many top 20 did cold even make ? #1 twice is good as he was at his peak form. 2018 and 2019 went only baiting. device is truly an example of a team player and consistently putting numbers on board. being top 5 for last 5 years is a record itself. not to mention mvps and evps and also with all the injuries going thru.
2020-10-19 18:27
I guess he is talking individually, and you cant win a major alone
2020-10-19 22:12
did he? device has 15 mvps, cold 8. device has 3rd, 2nd, 5th, 3rd, 20th place and this year another +-5th place while cold has 10th, 1st, 1st. if we would transfer it to points(1st-20, 20th-1) then device has 68 points(without this year), cold has 50. and device has way more achievments, is relevant for longer period and is more consistent
2020-10-19 13:43
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2020-10-19 13:46
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thats the only aspect where cold is ahead. device is ahead in all other categories
2020-10-19 13:48
6 replies
no #1 hltv = no goat, sorry
2020-10-19 13:49
5 replies
because YOU say so:D? ahahahahaahah dont make me laugh
2020-10-19 13:49
2 replies
how can he be the greatest of all time if he isnt the greatest of one year? lul
2020-10-19 13:49
1 reply
the greatest and the best are 2 different things
2020-10-19 13:50
have u ever figured that #1 hltv is also the greatest baiters of the year. vitality only sets zywho up for kills and s0mple just bait knife. dev1ce hasn't been #1 because he's a team-player and actually trusts his teammates setting them up for frags. dev1ce goat .
2020-10-19 15:37
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+1 dev1ce goat. but if ur gonna make #1 the goat, its hands down olof.
2020-10-19 18:29
Nah, 5 Times in a row top5 (will be 6 with this year) is better than 2 #1s and 10th..
2020-10-19 13:45
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#54
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Brazil de_viLL
He's playing in tier1 cs:go since 2013, cold since 2015 and individually won better places and made more impact on the scene than device.
2020-10-19 13:55
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Well thank god we are looking at greatest of ALL TIME and not greatest SINCE COLD BECAME RELEVANT or greatest in the 2 years that cold was super good and not in the rest where he is dogshit mediocre. The Astralis team/players have made more impact to the scene than any other team. They defined how to play maps, advatanges, nade usage and if we are speaking about device individually he defined both how to be consistently putting on the stats/kills and how to awp (not saying he is/was the best Iam just saying he defined what the best way to do it is). edit: and in regards of better places 5 top5 is better than 2 1st especially when you compare the number of mvps, the number of majors and the number of trophies.
2020-10-19 15:01
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#112
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Brazil de_viLL
ask to any pro player if he prefers to be the 1st (especially 2 times) or 5 times top5
2020-10-19 17:19
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Dude why not just ask hltv for a GCOAT you seem to dont care what anyone says lol
2020-10-19 17:26
Where is all these delusional brazilians suddenly coming from? Coldzera being better than device is just the laugh of the year, go back to your caves
2020-10-19 17:27
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#122
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Brazil de_viLL
No, the laugh of the year is BIG being top1 team of the world.
2020-10-19 17:56
1 reply
True that
2020-10-19 17:56
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7592/devi.. pretty easy to see that device is better than cold but ok top 1 doesnt equate to trophies
2020-10-19 18:11
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#140
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Brazil de_viLL
Compare then to s1mple, so he's the GOAT? I'm not changing my opinion, only two guys had the #1 twice, pick yours.
2020-10-19 18:16
Thats just plain wrong
2020-10-19 13:50
#49
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Pakistan LoOuU2
not true , at all.
2020-10-19 13:54
#19
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Finland AleksiBOT
+1
2020-10-19 13:39
#2 behind stewie
2020-10-19 13:55
'impact' haha
2020-10-19 15:11
device is mediocore sniper without astralis xyp has quit, -0.10 hltv rating
2020-10-19 17:36
Xizt because Xizt has won more than Device
2020-10-19 18:03
#206
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Sweden FujinWoW
S1mple is the goat, just bcs device won more doesnt mean he is the goat. Its like saying Bill Russel is the goat bcs he has 11 rings, instead of MJ
2020-10-19 21:56
"Why is this even a question, this is Device hands down" This is still strictly an opinion, friend. Attempting to define a one true "GOAT"/"BOAT" contender is impossible due to the possibilities and probabilities needed.
2020-10-19 22:02
i agree device has won so much and has been consistent all the time
2020-10-20 00:49
#3
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France ProfNori
ecovice hard to have to say this but he's hella consistent
2020-10-19 13:37
no flusha nt
2020-10-19 13:37
19 replies
+1 no flusha but he put baiter like coldzera xaxaxaxaxa
2020-10-19 13:37
no flusha because he never really had an impact in the scene, and he doesnt have enough individual achievements
2020-10-19 13:38
15 replies
haahhahahahahahahhahahah
2020-10-19 13:44
don't disrespect senor vac :D
2020-10-19 13:47
#77
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North America 007DBR9
lmfao
2020-10-19 14:55
lol He destroyed it in the majors during the fnatic era. WTF you been drinking?
2020-10-19 14:57
?? Content
2020-10-19 15:12
flusha is the reason why Brazil won many trophies, 2 majors and has a scene lol fake flagger or not?
2020-10-19 17:33
6 replies
what did even flusha do? fallen is the reason we were the best team for 2 straight years
2020-10-19 18:32
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flusha gave his prize money to the KaBuM so KaBuM could go to Poland and qualify for the ESL One Katowice 2015 Major, KaBuM qualified to the Katowice 2015 and then became Keyd Stars and they impressed everyone in major by reaching to the playoffs, later you know the story, then they became Luminosity, Taco and fnx joined, won majors. the thing is, Katowice 2015 major has a big role in fallen's and fer's career, they become much more confident and they became hungry for more success. that's why flusha has a big impact on LG/SK's success, of course, flusha isn't the %100 reason of LG/SK's success, FalleN did a lot for this success but without flusha, this most likely would have happened very hardly. hltv.org/forums/threads/734049/flusha-do.. reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/4a..
2020-10-19 18:44
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Yeah, I know the story, but you cant say "flusha is the reason brazil won 2 majors", they still would have find a way to go to majors. I thank flusha for his support, but if I add him to my list only because of that, I would be biased
2020-10-19 18:47
1 reply
yes i agree
2020-10-19 18:49
#204
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Croatia mds818
story which people forget and keep whining fluuusha cheeeeater
2020-10-19 21:55
1 reply
+1 mens i agree
2020-10-19 22:06
-1 flusha had great impact on fnatic
2020-10-19 18:00
Not at all. Only 3 major wins and 2 eras. He definitely wasn't the real top 1 in 2014 either.
2020-10-19 18:33
#212
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Switzerland Titan))
??? pls get brain sir reply needs to have actual content
2020-10-19 22:04
+1
2020-10-19 13:45
#209
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Switzerland Titan))
+1 revise post and include Flusha or this is a joke
2020-10-19 22:02
coldzera fallen only relevant for 2 years aaaaaaaaxaxaxaxaxa zywho? aaaaaaaxaxaxaxaxa bait list
2020-10-19 13:37
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#59
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Brazil de_viLL
"only"
2020-10-19 13:56
3 replies
csgo 8 years old
2020-10-19 15:06
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#111
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Brazil de_viLL
The best by far in 2 years, playing in tier 1 CS since 2015. wow...
2020-10-19 17:16
1 reply
only best in 2017 lul they had top 1 for like 1 year in total (maybe a bit more)
2020-10-19 19:29
most competitive era of csgo is now since the competition always grows and never shrinks
2020-10-19 13:37
6 replies
+1 but fnatic and sk fans are never gonna admit that.
2020-10-19 13:38
online era most competitive? lul
2020-10-19 13:38
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#20
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Finland AleksiBOT
+1 Germens Onliners
2020-10-19 13:40
that's not entirelly true. If you take as an example what happened in 1.6 era , that wasn't the case. The 1.6 era of 2003-2006 was more competitive than the 2009-2012 era of 1.6. Obviously competitiveness is not always described by the popularity of the game, rather than by the skill and performances that are existing and makes almost every game look like a derby. In my humble opinion , i don't think that the most competitive era in csgo is now, since i have witnessed more competitiveness being displayed 2-3 years ago and especially when LAN events were possible. The physical presence of the players on a stage always advances the competitiveness in and around the game.
2020-10-19 15:09
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#202
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Croatia mds818
don't bother, people think that "competitive era" means how many players there're in a team with superstar performance rating, 1 year ago "it's most competitive era", 2 years ago "it's most competitive era".. it's always "most competitive era"
2020-10-19 21:51
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I might be biased now. But 2014-2015 had the best era in CS. LDLC/EnVyUs, Fnatic, NaVi, Virtus Pro, TSM and NiP battling it out. With teams like Hellraisers, mousesports, Cloud9, iBUYPOWER and Titan as well. Eventhough Fnatic were dominant, you never really knew who would come out on top of every T1 tournament. Which is why all of the “legendary” teams is from this era. Unlike Astralis in 2019 that won everything. You can’t count current era as most competitive with the lack of LAN. Teams like BIG and Heroic would crumble in a LAN environment. Which is why these teams sucked before 2020. A big reason why there are so many “top teams” today is because of teams getting carried by one or sometimes two good players. Like what would teams like NaVi or Vitality be without a ZywOo or s1mple? Just go back and look at Fnatic in 2015 for example: Olof, JW, KRiMZ and flusha, four of the best Swedish players of all-time. Or EnVyUs: shox, NBK, Happy, kennyS etc. Pretty much all of the best French players in one team. Unlike today were instead of having one incredible national team with only star players, you have 2 or more with one or two star players spread out along side worse players in separate teams. Combine the best players of the big nations and you would have around 10 T1 teams today and the rest would be T2 at best. Which is how teams looked back in the mid 2010s. Before international teams was a thing. Astralis - Denmark Furia - Brazil EG with EliGE over tarik - NA VP team with s1mple and electronic under NaVi org - CIS Fnatic with nawwk and REZ/Plopski over flusha and JW - Sweden BIG - Germany ENCE with zehN and Aleksib - Finland Vitality with French G2 players over misutaaa and apEX - France FaZe with ropz, nexa and huNter over coldzera, rain and Kjaerbye - EU Everything else would not be close except for maybe a second danish team.
2020-10-20 01:17
olof
2020-10-19 13:37
2 replies
+1
2020-10-19 13:43
#195
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Turkey TheKaiser
+1
2020-10-19 21:30
forsaken
2020-10-19 13:38
#13
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Denmark zT_Pure
Me. Just baiting. s0mple
2020-10-19 13:38
AdreN
2020-10-19 13:38
Definitely not device
2020-10-19 13:39
1 reply
name checks out
2020-10-19 18:12
fallen might be the goat of BR cs but not overall
2020-10-19 13:39
9 replies
No it's arT or hen1
2020-10-19 13:48
8 replies
Definitely a newfag FalleN is a guy who made Brazilian era and Brazilian scene look relevant and best in the world for a time period, nobody is even close to the impact which FalleN has put into Brazilian cs
2020-10-19 13:49
7 replies
And where is he now?
2020-10-19 13:51
6 replies
Does it matter? His achievements are unbeatable rn, as he managed to become back to back major champs with his squad from literally nothing (You probably don't know but flusha paid for their tickets and shit (donated money to them when they were collecting it online) so these guys can come on lan)
2020-10-19 13:53
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I know that he did that it's nothing new but FURIA is carrying br scene rn, and they will do it for some time
2020-10-19 13:55
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well if we bring up your logic f0rest cannot be a goat too
2020-10-19 13:56
2 replies
but f0rest is still good compared to fallen
2020-10-19 14:25
1 reply
U can't really know cuz he's inactive for a while
2020-10-19 14:33
>GOAT >Where is he now?
2020-10-19 15:14
ZywOo after winning the major and being top 1 for the 3rd time in 2021
2020-10-19 13:40
zyw00 xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
2020-10-19 13:41
f0rest>GTR, devvy GOAT ofc
2020-10-19 13:51
ez for olof. won it all. most trophies. deadly with every weapon. the only one in the list who was equally deadly with rifles, snipers and pistols.
2020-10-19 13:43
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#75
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United Kingdom alcazar4
xizt has the most trophies
2020-10-19 14:38
GTR stole flusha's no.1 in 2014. If you guys actually watched back then you wouldn't ever consider missing flusha on a GOAT list.
2020-10-19 13:44
dev1ce GOAT
2020-10-19 13:46
Olofmeister or Device
2020-10-19 13:46
#36
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Netherlands dabadpad
GODsia.. no others
2020-10-19 13:46
fallen ahhaha xD flair and flag checks out
2020-10-19 13:47
fallen and coldzera are you fucking trolling
2020-10-19 13:54
7 replies
Why would he ? coldzera 2 times world best IN A ROW,fallen #2 and #6,considered one of the best awps in cs history,tons of tournaments won NOW FAN OF CLOWNPLEXITY TELL ME WHAT THAT SHIT ORG AND PLAYERS WON IN CSGO LUL
2020-10-19 14:05
6 replies
Did he say a single time that complexity/the players are GOAT contenders?
2020-10-19 15:15
2 replies
dont car men
2020-10-19 15:33
1 reply
K
2020-10-19 15:33
#214
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Switzerland Titan))
another toxic bra7ilian. pls stop
2020-10-19 22:11
2 replies
no
2020-10-19 22:19
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#223
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Switzerland Titan))
?? yes
2020-10-19 22:41
cold or dev1ce. i think I will go with dev1ce I mean he's so consistent in the play-offs / semi / finals. steps up when it matters the most
2020-10-19 13:55
Stewie2k
2020-10-19 13:56
f0rest GOAT of counter-strike (1.6 and csgo)
2020-10-19 13:56
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i agree, but coldzera goat if you only look at csgo imo
2020-10-19 18:42
device in cs go, gtr overall with f0rest.
2020-10-19 13:58
device is literary playing for modern IBP nice goat lmao
2020-10-19 14:01
1 reply
what?
2020-10-19 14:55
S1mple and device
2020-10-19 14:04
fallen cold for brcs nothing ska stew for nacs zeus and Edward for cis azr and jks for aucs s1mple was induvually the greatest but device is easily the GOAT and obvio the Swedish Players like olof gtr forest flusha are also in the Goat category Igl: pronax zeus glave karrigan nitr0 (best na igl?)
2020-10-19 14:04
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nitr0 is not the goat NA IGL, I'd personally say seang@res but almost any IGL is/was a better IGL than Nitr0. Karrigan is alright but a bit overrated, Obviously gla1ve is a beast, Zeus also deserves a mention, same with pronax, but Xizt has won more than all those nubs and is a better player than all of them.
2020-10-19 18:06
14 replies
name and flair checks out 0/8 bait
2020-10-19 18:14
13 replies
Xizt has won more than all of them
2020-10-19 18:15
6 replies
xizt 1 major in 2014 and got carried grand slam in 2019 > major in 2014
2020-10-19 18:21
5 replies
1. No 2. No
2020-10-19 18:22
4 replies
you can fluke a major because it's one event. gambit and c9 proved that you can't fluke 4 big event wins in a row
2020-10-19 18:23
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1. He made more major finals than the entirety of the NA scene in CSGO 2. Yes you can
2020-10-19 18:24
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he made 2 major finals and won 1. na also made 2 major finals and won 1 and if you can, explain why only teams that were dominant won grand slams and why no team since won one ik xizt wont be winning anything else ever again, he cant even beat random tier 5 serbian mixes hltv.org/matches/2343887/dignitas-vs-lvl..
2020-10-19 18:26
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DreamHack Winter 2013 ESL Major Series One Katowice 2014 ESL One: Cologne 2014 DreamHack Winter 2014 ESL One: Katowice 2015
2020-10-19 18:29
Xizt has won 23 LAN trophies and 1 major, so 24 large tournaments (not counting 1.6), FalleN has won 13 and Nitr0 has won 10. 13+10=23. Xizt has won more than FalleN and Nitr0 combined
2020-10-19 18:17
5 replies
lans with 10k prize money in 2013-2014 would be tier 50 online events in 2019 what has xizt won when csgo became competitive? iem oakland twice and then became irrlevant
2020-10-19 18:22
4 replies
Hahhahahahahhahahahah 0 IQ idiot making excuses because you know he is far better than any other player could even dream to be
2020-10-19 18:23
3 replies
0/8 bait, reply must have actual content hltv.org/stats/players/884/Xizt?startDat.. how can you be paid 20k a month for this kind of performance?
2020-10-19 18:24
2 replies
You're right he should be payed 100k a second
2020-10-19 18:25
1 reply
reply must have actual content
2020-10-19 18:27
elige is na goat, even tho stewie has a major elige is just a much better player than stew
2020-10-19 18:15
2 replies
N0thing is better than both 😎
2020-10-19 18:18
true but stew has achieved more 2mvp medals major winner 2 esl proleague wins first na player to cross 1mil in prize pool money grand slam winner cologne win blast win multiple finals huge fan base
2020-10-20 13:50
How can dev1ce be the goat or even in top 3 contention if he's never been the best player in the world for longer than 2 weeks... danish fan boys make no fucking sense... s1mple coldzera Olof dev1ce Gtr/anyone else
2020-10-19 14:08
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rent free
2020-10-19 14:55
2 replies
He's living rent free in more than your head.
2020-10-19 18:00
1 reply
such a shitty comeback.
2020-10-19 19:14
By your logic how can simple be goat without the Best trophy (major)?? Lol think before write
2020-10-19 17:31
20 replies
What an idiot... my logic is about defining what makes someone the goat... players dont win majors, teams do. I don't think danish fanboys have gotten that through their thick skulls yet...
2020-10-19 17:59
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Haha you try to sound smart when you leak arrogance lol, if you are one of those Who say device aint goat cause of 0 #1s (which is ok) but then pick one Who is better for sure but havent won a major? far from the goat lol he isnt Even next in line for it..
2020-10-19 18:03
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He is the Best tho (simple) I dont think anyone think otherwise
2020-10-19 18:03
Did you not see my fucking list?? The best player is someone who has shown prolonged top level play over a series of months/years. S1mple has shown the highest peak, been a top 2/3 player for arguably the past 4 years on top of carrying his shit team. Coldzera is only the 2nd player to be voted the #1 player in back-to-back years and was also the best player at majors before mibr went to shit. Olof dominate for like 2 years as well and has been relevant for over 7 years, fell of after playing the bitch role but still impactful. Dev1ce is either 3 or 4 in the list, i put him at 4th because there was never a moment in time you could say he was the best player in the world, he's always stuck with the same players who have also been the best in their roles and they've come together to form a super-team, outside of Astralis it's doubtful dev1ce would be able to carry a team the way s1mple/cold/zywoo have done, he's arguably not even been the best Astralis player for several months in the past 2 years since they brought on magisk. Gtr pioneered the game back in 2013, was also b2b #1 rated player, fell off hugely in the past few years so he's only ranked 5th in my ranking. Now go on, i told you where i would rate each player based on individual performance and solid statistical data, tell me why i "leak arrogance" for making a valid argument as several t1 pros and analyst have already made...
2020-10-19 18:10
12 replies
sheesh you just rektered that poor man
2020-10-19 18:18
2 replies
Learn to spell that Word else its more a joke than a burn:))
2020-10-19 20:52
1 reply
tf u talking about were on hltv idgaf if i spell wrecked right or not dont have to get all salty bcz the dude destroyed you lmao
2020-10-20 01:34
And as you would know IF you listend in on the analyst during tournaments whenever it comes up they always bring device up but I can live with you dont think its him perfectly but simple have not been good in a same period as device have (fact) I agree simple can be the goat if he keeps this going and zywoo dont pass him but as of now? No
2020-10-19 20:55
8 replies
But thats just My opinion ofc
2020-10-19 20:55
S1mple has been a top 2/3 player for the past 4 years while carrying his team.. tf do you mean he's not been better than dev1ce lol..
2020-10-19 21:10
6 replies
Simple have not been top 2-3 last 4 years lol and that statement alone shows your brain lol.. This aint leading anywhere have fun
2020-10-19 21:14
4 replies
You gonna act as if he aint had a top 2/3 rating for the past 4 years????? That's facts lol... not opinions...
2020-10-20 00:02
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hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s0mple?start.. bot. more frags but worse impact rating. expected from overrated baiter choker statpadder s0mple
2020-10-20 01:05
dev1ce fan boy is back... Actually pathetic that you're filtering it to the one filter where dev1ce is ahead lol. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. While carrying a NA team to a major semi and a major final then being out for like 2 months and playing on a team without an igl with 2 bots... hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. Literally no filter there favours dev1ce... hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. 1.1 rating vs top 5 teams... even in big events he's behind s1mple lol.... hltv.org/stats/players/7592/device?start.. hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. S1mple is ahead in every other filter but because of navi never reaching finals he had less maps player vs top 5/10... didn't want to give you another excuse after showing you the statistics so i just filtered it to top 30... dev1ce fanboys cannot accept the truth... S1mple is just a lot better as a player, he carries a shit team while dropping those stats, just accept it... every t1 pro and analyst has, why do you danish fanboys have to try to argue... dev1ce's own teammates have acknowledged other players as the best...
2020-10-20 01:21
4 years lol
2020-10-20 00:46
#180
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Asia SWARN151
Exactly! Nate2Aid's argument that a player can't be goat without a major, is a completely false one. Major is a team achievement, not an individual achievement. There are teams where all the players fit perfectly with one another, perform their roles in perfect synergy, have great IGLs, coaches, etc, and thus become a super-team. This team will win the big tournaments. No matter how good an individual player is, he can't single-handedly win a major, because it is a fcking team sport, not an individual sport. At the same time, there can be prodigies-players who are the talents of their generation, but could not be a part of super-teams (due to whatever reason), and hence they never win the biggest tournaments. If your individual skills judgement system can't recognize these prodigies and even for individual players, set the criteria as number of majors/world-cups won, it is a failure of the system. There's a reason why Messi/Ronaldo are considered greatest of all time, even though they never won the world-cup. Winning Ballon d'or, Euro-Cups, being nominated the best players of the years, winning awards after awards (individual) cement these players as the greatest, even if they don't win the world-cup. My point is, individual skill is not equal to team achievement. Dev1ce has never ever been the best (#1) player in the world. When Gla1ve and Xyp9x left, forget top1, Astralis was not even in top-10, even though they had 3 multi-major winners on their team. Dev1ce can never carry like the way s1mple and Zywoo can, simply because his individual skill has never been that good. s1mple has been carrying shit teams all through his career and has still been at top of the scene, including #1. Dev1ce has been playing very consistently for very long, but was he ever the best 'individual' player? The answer is a resounding 'NO'. When he doesn't have the individual capabilities and skills like s1mple and Zywoo, it is objectively clear that he can't be the greatest individual player of all time.
2020-10-19 20:58
3 replies
And where pray tell did I say he ever was the Best?
2020-10-19 20:51
And My argument was if device needed #1 to be goat then simple needs his major and major mvp in return lol
2020-10-19 20:57
1 reply
#190
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Asia SWARN151
And my argument is exactly negating this. Take Dev1ce out of Astralis. Do you think Dev1ce can win the major now, or even reach the grand finals by carrying a team literally on his own? When you say 'Dev1ce won majors', it is not an individual sport where Dev1ce beat every single player single-handedly and proved he is the best. His team outclassed every other team and hence Astralis won the majors. Put Dev1ce on another team, or just take a couple of players out of Astralis, like Gla1ve or Xyp, Dev1ce won't make a damn difference (which we have already seen actually happen). s1mple carried an NA team to major finals for the 1st time ever. He carried his own team to major finals and semi-finals multiple times. Even when his team did badly, he was MVP of a tournament so many times. s1mple is a GOAT player, even without Navi because he puts up those individual achievements. Dev1ce is something only because of his team. I don't hate or blindly love any player. While number of Major MVPs is a valid argument (since it concerns individual skills), the argument of needing to win majors to become the greatest individual players, has no meaning.
2020-10-19 21:11
#196
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Asia SWARN151
As much as I love dev1ce and Cold, this is a very valid argument. Greatest individual players are the best performers in every sense, no matter which team they are in. Dev1ce would be nowhere without Astralis. Cold would not even be at the top or a major winner, without the old SK gaming roster. He couldn't even get anything done being on the same team with Niko, Olof, and Rain, and disappeared from the top-scenes in 3 years. Old Fnatic, SK Gaming, the major-winning Astralis, etc were all phenomenal teams in their prime, that defined the epitomes of teamwork and hence won majors. However, nobody, not Olof, not Cold, not GTR, not dev1ce can carry Tier3 teams to Tier1 and then to major finals, the way s1mple and Zywoo can. Even in relatively worse teams that get knocked out, s1mple and Zywoo perform tremendously and have always won MVPs and EVPs. s1mple carried an NA team to Major finals for the 1st time in history. Carried his own team (NAVI) to major semis and grand-finals many times, with dead-weight players. Carried Tier2 and Tier3 teams to Tier1 level back in the day. Is the highest-rated player so many times and tops the overall rating and impact rating not just on his team, but on the server. Leading stats in most categories in every tournament. 3rd highest rated player in 2014. At the very top notches in 2015 and with Tier1 CS since 2016, s1mple has been #4, #8, #1, #2, even being in bad teams or with underperforming dead-weight players. Amongst all HLTV#1 players in CSGo history, s1mple's rating (2018) is the highest ever. This year again, #1 or #2, logically speaking. Here's the compilation of the official rankings: liquipedia.net/counterstrike/HLTV/Top_20.. Hence, s1mple definitely the GOAT of CS. However, if we define GOAT as the greatest team player with the highest ever consistency, it's undisputedly Dev1ce. If GOAT refers to the Greatest Individual Player of all time, it is definitely s1mple. Zywoo might become the GOAT, if he continues his current form for few more years. With barely 2 years on Tier1 CS scene, it's too early to call him a GOAT, since his 'all-time' is not even 2 years yet.
2020-10-19 21:40
#67
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Germany Booya
f0rest
2020-10-19 14:13
1 reply
#109
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Russia ddiz
+1
2020-10-19 17:07
CS:GO only definetely flusha, CS 1.6+CS:GO GOAT by far is f0rest!
2020-10-19 14:13
#69
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Europe legal2333
coldzera and shox /closed
2020-10-19 14:17
markeloff
2020-10-19 14:28
xantarez
2020-10-19 14:32
1 reply
flag and flair checks out but nt bottares
2020-10-19 22:16
There is no one GOAT. coldzera Brazilian GOAT dev1ce Danish GOAT f0rest Swedish GOAT kennyS or Happy French GOAT
2020-10-19 15:02
s1mple GOAT
2020-10-19 15:03
GeT_RiGhT or cold.
2020-10-19 15:05
Pasha, dosia, kennys, nexa, hunter, flusha, kassad, niko, forest, ynk and maden missing.
2020-10-19 15:07
#93
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Uruguay iNVE14
GeT_RiGhT/Coldzera
2020-10-19 15:10
people are so fucking biased here... it all depends on what u mesure. for me wins dont matter so simple easy. but if u perfer team players its gonna be device. if u perfer fragging its gonna be simple if ur brazil its cold
2020-10-19 15:11
#100
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Faroe Islands AdNauseam
device by far..
2020-10-19 15:23
XIZT GOAT IGL 24 OLOF GOAT PLAYER 25
2020-10-19 15:25
3 replies
Xizt is the GOAT tbh
2020-10-19 18:03
2 replies
24 trophies pogU
2020-10-19 19:58
1 reply
Thats not counting 1.6 btw, he has won the IEM V European Championship Finals, IEM VI Global Challenge Guangzhou, MSI BEAT IT 2011 at DreamHack Winter, and DreamHack Summer 2012. So technically 28 trophies
2020-10-19 20:11
Nip core, fnatic core + olofm Astralis core... Some french players Zeus, karrigan... idk
2020-10-19 15:57
Fallen a goat candidate? Best joke I've heard today :DDDD
2020-10-19 16:35
3 replies
Did you hear about the mathematician who’s afraid of negative numbers? He’ll stop at nothing to avoid them. hahahahahahhahahaha was that a better joke?
2020-10-19 18:30
2 replies
#201
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Croatia mds818
na jokes.... I guess that's one thing they have in common with na cs
2020-10-19 21:47
1 reply
Why you bully me mens
2020-10-19 22:11
#110
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Turkey orionski
flusha
2020-10-19 17:08
flusha, next question
2020-10-19 17:19
s1mple
2020-10-19 17:21
It's Flusha /Closed
2020-10-19 17:26
F0rest
2020-10-19 18:26
2 replies
Flag
2020-10-19 18:29
GOAT of 1.6 and csgo for sure
2020-10-19 18:47
GODreN
2020-10-19 18:48
zywoo xD
2020-10-19 19:06
#175
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Brazil chico12
zywoo playing cs go for 1 year and he is goat?
2020-10-19 20:14
Dosia
2020-10-19 20:15
#178
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Hungary szia
Tizian, kory, or torzsi
2020-10-19 20:23
XANTARES
2020-10-19 20:49
#182
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Russia SW@G_2
why zywoo? feels like it's too early for people to consider him a goat
2020-10-19 20:51
kennyS
2020-10-19 20:53
#192
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Venezuela xoile
no f0rest? mmm
2020-10-19 21:18
#193
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Europe Sbinalla
Krimz is always good and consistent
2020-10-19 21:23
#194
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Serbia eliiiiii_
nexa, best player to ever even glance at the game let alone play it
2020-10-19 21:29
#197
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Sweden EssoNr
- s1mple best player in history by stats in-game - dev1ce 4 time major winner and the most MVP's (haven't been the best player in the world) - olofmeister the player with the most trophies in total of 25 trophies, best player in the world (2015) 2x major winner - ZywOo best player in the world (2019) and only 3 trophies (if you say that ZywOo is the GOAT you really wrong) +more
2020-10-19 21:34
1 reply
#200
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Croatia mds818
+1
2020-10-19 21:45
in terms of induvidual skill: s1mple in terms of achievements: device in terms of legendary status: GeT_RiGhT in terms of tec-9 funny guy: olofmeister in terms of JUMPING DOUBLE: coldzera in terms of those specific two deagle aces on cache: NiKo in terms of best from older cs versions: NEO if you don't agree i don't mind but know you are stupid
2020-10-19 21:43
#199
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Croatia mds818
I don't think that anyone deserves to be a goat because there're way too many factors to made it clear, but if I had to pick someone that's F0rest
2020-10-19 21:45
#205
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Europe Axell6996
Kenny at his peak wasnt too bad tho
2020-10-19 21:55
s1mple (yes flair checks out) he has performed like no one before, still I think zywoo could fight for his position in the next years if he continues delivering at top level f0rest and getright are amazing but as u said they were the best at the beginning which is not as hard as it is now so I wouldn't choose them for that Olof is obvioulsy the only one who by any chance could be on that list device also good but individuall performance not as good as any other in that list, like he is literally a 8/10 player while the rest were 10/10 for at least a year (no hate, i love tom cruise but facts lol) cold could be the goat and I wouldn't argue but we've seen a huge drop of performance so I would think about it twice and fallen can't be, if anything I'd choose cold before him so either s1mple or zywoo IMO, still I would wait 2-3 years to decide
2020-10-19 22:00
1 reply
8/10? thats a bit low tbh. more like 9.5
2020-10-19 22:34
#210
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Albania Maltin
Leaving f0rest out shows how little you know about the game
2020-10-19 22:03
1 reply
I said csgo, not cs
2020-10-20 00:52
I like the fact you added candidates, friend. Attempting to define a one true "GOAT"/"BOAT" is impossible, I made a topic professing this very thing: hltv.org/forums/threads/2338752/the-goat.. So thank you for the that, friend. xD Have a good day.
2020-10-19 22:03
1. device (4x Major winner | 2x Major MVP’s | Having the most amount of MVP awards on one year | Being the most consistent player of all time) 2. coldzera (2x Major winner | 2x Major MVP’s | 2x times #1 Player in the world) 3. olofmeister (3x Major winner | 1x Major MVP | 1x time #1 Player in the world) 4. GeT_RighT (1x Major winner | 2x times #1 Player in the world) Edit: Have a good day!
2020-10-19 22:29
Glaive. Or magisk. Both joined team of underachievers and then won big.
2020-10-19 22:36
15 replies
lul
2020-10-20 08:18
14 replies
Oh yes because astralis core was world class team before karirgan joined LUL
2020-10-20 12:33
13 replies
yes
2020-10-20 13:10
12 replies
LUL 0 trophies before karrigan great team.
2020-10-20 13:14
11 replies
you can still be great without winning trophies...
2020-10-20 13:16
10 replies
Just shows they werent that great. Their only achievement was best danish team.
2020-10-20 13:17
9 replies
sure. apparently g2 isnt/wasnt great cause they didnt win a trophy this year.
2020-10-20 13:19
8 replies
Nice strawman comparing 2013, 2014 to 2020. Also g2 didnt win trophies with nexa and hunter so far they arent doing that great for ammount of talent they have on that roster same goes for faze.
2020-10-20 13:21
7 replies
its not a strawman lol. im comparing two identical situations, just in different teams.
2020-10-20 13:51
6 replies
no lans that give trophies in 2020 2013 and 2014 easy years for established teams which DIG was but "iTs ThE sAmE"
2020-10-20 13:55
5 replies
iem katowice?
2020-10-20 13:56
4 replies
1 tournament vs 2 years is not strawman ok
2020-10-20 13:59
3 replies
no its not. there were also many other great teams that were together for very long but didnt win trophies. i cant see why itd be impossible to be great if youre constantly in semis and your star player is mad skilled, just a choker, especially if you get amazing runs at majors.
2020-10-20 14:02
2 replies
Astralis core before karrigan nothing with karrigan something with glaive even better with magisk and glaive most dominant team ever. Hope this helps.
2020-10-20 14:03
1 reply
no it doesnt. doesnt make magisk and gla1ve the GOATs, especially since none of them are the best in the team or ever were for a longer period of time. magisk in his prime wasnt even the best player in denmark and it lasted for a very short period, after that he wasnt even a top 3 danish player and k0nfig was better than him. gla1ve has done literally nothing before joining astralis except reaching a few finals in 2013 while device was a top 3 player for 2 years straight, won numerous trophies and mvps and dupreeh was one of the best entry fraggers, both of them continue in a similar path. hope this helps.
2020-10-20 14:10
PASHANOJ
2020-10-19 22:45
#225
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Sweden botl0f
olof or cold. they had the complete package. top1 rankings, majors, endless trophies and deadly with any weapon. good at every role, no lackluster departments, very clutch. if i had to choose to be a pro i would choose either in their prime.
2020-10-19 22:50
7 replies
s1mple is better at everything outside of trophies.
2020-10-20 13:58
6 replies
#268
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Sweden botl0f
suddenly trophies become irrelevant when ecovice isn't the topic.
2020-10-20 17:27
5 replies
i never said theyre irrelevant but ok.
2020-10-20 19:08
4 replies
#270
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Sweden botl0f
"they had the complete package"
2020-10-20 20:49
3 replies
achievements dont matter as much as the other stuff when judging individual players. cold is shit and olof wasnt good for long enough.
2020-10-20 21:05
2 replies
#272
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Sweden botl0f
individually device is top 100
2020-10-20 21:06
1 reply
i agree. so are s1mple, zywoo etc.
2020-10-20 21:11
#226
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Finland R3ALMM
Olof goat
2020-10-19 22:51
Skillwise: s1mple Trophies/impact: device /closed
2020-10-19 22:51
f0rest no doubt
2020-10-20 00:50
GOAT Major Player: flusha GOAT AWPer (Pre-Nerf): kennyS GOAT AWPer (Post-Nerf): GuardiaN GOAT Cheater: ForsakeN GOAT Skilled Player: s1mple GOAT Rifler: f0rest GOAT Well Rounded Player: coldzera GOAT IGL: gla1ve GOAT Clutcher: Xyp9x GOAT Impact Player: FalleN GOAT Entry Fragger: shox GOAT Support: KRiMZ GOAT Lurker: GeT_RiGhT GOAT Pistol Player: NiKo GOAT Consistent Top Player: device GOAT Tournament Winner: olofmeister GOAT Early Era (2012-2013): GeT_RiGhT GOAT Fnatic Era (2014-2015): olofmeister GOAT LG/SK Era (2016-2017): coldzera GOAT Competitive Era (2018-2019): s1mple GOAT Current Era (2020-Now): ZywOo
2020-10-20 01:37
#249
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Australia Ataynu5
I suspect give it a couple of years and ZywOo will probably put this to bed so that everyone agrees.
2020-10-20 13:24
Coldzera. Other players are more 'skilled' but during coldzera's prime he was the most clutch. He got better the higher the stakes were, and perfected how to play certain key areas like ladder room in mirage or alley in train. No other player imposed their will on an important game like coldzera did. For example, dev1ce is a statistical machine, and plays textbook perfect cs, but he never seems to take over a game. He's just a reliable piece of the Astralis machine. S1mple is the most skilled csgo player (pre-zywoo) but he's inconsistent under pressure, and notoriously drags teams down morale-wise. Maye new s1mple has grown, idk. Olof was great but fnatic won a major without him, because flusha, jw, and (later) krimz were all S-tier players on their own. GTR was basically farming noobs with f0rest, it wasn't a very competitive scene. So, I think prime coldzera was the most impactful player overall.
2020-10-20 13:36
1 reply
when did coldzera take over games though? device has more carry performances than him.
2020-10-20 13:52
ofc zywoo
2020-10-20 13:38
#255
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Brazil AidoNou
EXTREMELY DELUSIONAL
2020-10-20 13:54
I would add shox, f0rest and kennyS, they were always on top, only in the last two years it is slightly worse
2020-10-20 13:55
f0rest is the goat, device might be close but i think hes lacking individual skill simple and zywoo are the best to ever touch the game, Niko maybe close behind
2020-10-20 13:59
-ve iQ exists
2020-10-20 14:01
its between cold s1mple and device. noone else. i think device for so many majors and titles while being best player in the team, plus the 5 consecutive top 5 of the year. then cold, the s1mple
2020-10-20 21:08
New England Whalers
1.34
Mythic
3.34
OG
1.51
MIBR
2.62
Astralis
1.65
Complexity
2.16
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