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Greatest CS 1.6 teams and his equallity nowdays
Brazil WisiestBrazilian_in_HLTV 
That's a question for the old ones here on forum, since i dont follow the 1.6 scene i want to know by you guys, who was the greatest 1.6 team overall, and they was like Astralis nowdays? yet: Who was the biggest rivalry? The scene was stacked as nowdays or only few teams was really good? Who was the S1mple at the time? - i heard about SpawN and NEO and also F0rest Any information about these gold times will be welcome.
2020-10-19 17:11
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United Kingdom MorrisonMan
ask mr sunot
2020-10-19 17:13
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ty i will
2020-10-19 17:18
#27
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Malaysia Suno[t]
he didnt :(
2020-10-22 11:46
4 replies
:c
2020-10-22 16:39
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"like astralis" Astralis is next to dog shit
2020-10-26 10:43
2 replies
????? You alright? I never mentioned astralis
2020-10-26 11:43
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I.... guess he means the OP? Idk, the guy seems drugged tho.
2020-10-27 04:14
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Brazil hpaeess1
best teams mibr, fnatic and navi. s1mple at that time probably cogu or markeloff, if you're talking about awpers
2020-10-19 17:14
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Sk, mtw>mibr imo
2020-10-19 17:16
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mibr was nowhere near the best teams. SK (with different teams), fnatic, NaVi, and the golden five (NEO, pascha et al, under different organizations) have been the best teams I remember. mTw has had some good teams, but I remember only a short "dominant" period with a danish team.
2020-10-19 17:48
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I agree on this with the teams you mention ed. mtw's year was 2008 when they were almost unbeatable. They continued to be among the best the following years getting tons of 2nd places all the time.
2020-10-24 20:06
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United States Magma_44
sounds like team liquid's path but reversed
2020-10-24 23:37
1 reply
Yeah pretty much
2020-10-25 09:10
#124
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Denmark ITerry
Never was able to beat Navi :(
2020-10-26 16:13
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True that.. I hated on navi for that haha!!
2020-10-26 16:44
Sk fnatic Same team
2020-10-26 11:53
NoA, 4kings and mousesports were also good.
2020-10-28 19:54
MIBR had a good moment and that was it isnt? like Mouse wich win some tournaments but its not a real top 5 at CSGO all times
2020-10-19 17:19
mibr? oh god...flag checked
2020-10-19 17:36
You can put mibr out of that list. They were not considered among the best teams sorry to say.
2020-10-24 20:03
mibr is nowhere near the best 1.6 teams, not even top 20. they had cogu who was a great player, but the team was for the most part garbage.
2020-10-25 20:33
MiBR won like one notable tournament a few medium sized ones, how could they possibly have been on the same level as fnatic, Na'Vi and MYM (and all the other orgs pasha, NEO, loord, kuben and TaZ played for). Even the Swedish SK rosters headlined by SpawN and RobbaN were objectively a better team than MiBR.
2020-10-26 10:50
mibr lol
2020-10-26 12:04
Markeloff yes but cogu was more of like a prime Ska. He was still easily a top 5 AWPer but I felt there were others that you could put ahead of him and it would still make sense.
2020-10-26 16:06
Markeloff
2020-10-19 17:14
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That's a strong name, heard about him a lot too
2020-10-19 17:20
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Asia Blitzer
goat teams - hard to choose between fnatic and sk goat player - f0rest the scene wasnt stacked as nowdays, the players/teams/organizers did wonders with what they got at the time
2020-10-19 17:15
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Nice, ty sir for the informations i remember F0rest as a legendary 1.6 too, i dont follow scene at the time, but when ppl was talking about CS, they talked about him as the GOAT
2020-10-19 17:23
Fnatic, NiP, SK, the Golden 5, and mTw were all really solid teams. I think SK probably leads the pack though. They never had a roster that felt weak, atleast in early to mid 1.6
2020-10-26 16:07
#137
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Kuwait roye
haha no f0rest not the best its either spawn or neo
2020-10-27 02:31
Teams, like Astralis. Probably Na'Vi 2010, SK 2003-2005, Golden Five\ESC. s1mple? Don't know, back then didn't even exist "bait" termin. SpawN was more like ScreaM, but greater. Anyway, goat player is elemeNt no doubt.
2020-10-19 17:18
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s1mple of 1.6 was markeloff in awping.
2020-10-19 17:20
+1 about spawn, was a highlight player but won a lot of tournaments
2020-10-19 17:24
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But SpawN didn`t really play the game for that long, did he? I remember him only in the early stages. elemeNt`s period was even shorter. Back then, the scenes were also a lot more local. There were some great German rivalries between teams (in particular attax vs. mouz in Germany, with mooN, roman, CHEF-KOCH as attax core, Roman R., gore, Tixo, gob b, cyx, Kapio, etc. on mouz side), and before that mtw, dkh, tamm, ocrana, pro-gaming, son-y, etc...
2020-10-19 17:54
#128
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Denmark pluskyyy
element? LUL
2020-10-26 16:22
2 replies
more respect
2020-10-27 02:39
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#155
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Denmark pluskyyy
Respect what? If you think element was better than NEO then you know shit about cs
2020-10-28 18:01
If you really want to push a norwegian player into the mix for goat, the only one who you could realistically argue for is REAL. That guy was insane, too bad he came about when Norwegian cs was on a downward slope.
2020-10-29 16:01
Events on lan in 1.6 era weren't so big and famous and there weren't that much teams like now. But best teams were Navi , fnatic. The equivalent of s1mple in cs 1.6 would be markeloff.
2020-10-19 17:19
sk fnatic navi nip mtw.dk mouz vp noa hard to pick the "greatest"
2020-10-19 17:22
4 replies
Virtus pro??? Naaah i wouldnt say so. They didn't acheive much as far as I remember.
2020-10-24 20:10
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sry im talking about the core lineup, neo etc. / frag executors, ecs, pentagram or whatever name else they have played for
2020-10-25 17:21
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I understand you. But im pretty sure they werent playing under the Virtus pro org in 1.6. Virtus pro was some russian team with lex and hooch.
2020-10-25 20:07
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#138
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Kuwait roye
lol dude mixed up virtus pro no names
2020-10-27 02:33
Tons of great lineups, but in terms of raw skill on top of best strats/tactics then mTw/NaVi in 2010 would be my pick
2020-10-19 17:21
MIBR best ever
2020-10-19 17:21
Anyone saying anything other than Golden Five and Neo deserves permaban on HLTV.
2020-10-19 17:22
3 replies
especially the ppl mentioning spawn as goat lmao (still a killer player obviously) edit: no one mentioned him yet but they will come
2020-10-19 17:35
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SpawN was arguably one of the best players based on raw aim. However he was never a very all round type and mostly just famous for crazy flicks and one deags.
2020-10-26 10:53
indeed. fnatic f0rest and goldenfive neo. Nothing comes close
2020-10-22 11:49
taz, neo, kuben, loordb, luq/pasha if you say something other we cannot be friends
2020-10-19 17:23
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#74
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Asia dyunman
+1
2020-10-26 10:16
Taz in tears after that win Where'd those days go when the game was all about passion and not money
2020-10-26 11:59
2 replies
yea. So sad most of hltv users have no idea how good those days were.
2020-10-26 15:58
1 reply
+1 Literally in every argument, they say he earns more money than blah blah by just playing videogames. When in reality, this game shldve never been about money, it shldve been about respect, passion, emotion tears, the hunger to win............and the tears after a win
2020-10-26 16:09
Sk was the best, no doubt. But on a totally biased note, watching g3x was da bomb, man.. KIKOO, c0gu, pava.. gaules.. good times
2020-10-19 17:25
6 replies
what was the best sk lineup?
2020-10-25 20:39
5 replies
HeatoN Potti Fisker SpaWn Ahl
2020-10-26 16:14
4 replies
thx
2020-10-26 17:54
3 replies
Second best was Get_Right F0rest Carn Delpan Robban
2020-10-26 18:29
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#143
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Argentina atriX^
Hold on. cArn never played for SK and RobbaN never played for fnatic. I think your second-best lineup never existed. Are you confusing cArn with face maybe?
2020-10-27 03:49
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Yes maybe I always do get confused between face and carn
2020-10-27 05:18
elemeNt 😎👌👍
2020-10-19 17:35
f0rest vs neo personal ingame rivalry is legendary for GOAT neo has got more significant trophies of old times (ESWC, WCG) and he shined on that events as well but decent individual perform was on side of f0rest imo for decade and more as we can see nowadays best team overall is FragExecutors aka GoldenFive/MYM.Poland/Pentagram G-Shock in terms of winning tournaments SK vs fnatic is El Classico of Sweden CS - The truly homeland of CS 1.6
2020-10-19 17:38
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nip-fnatic is the rivalry dude. Sk used to be a mix-up between these two teams' players.
2020-10-28 20:00
#29
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Malaysia Suno[t]
SK.swe = Astralis. I think they won everything since the inception of cs1.3/1.5 I think its disrespect to call Neo=S1mple but the GOAT of the game was definitely him. He was the most consistent player in the world not even s1mple can wipe his boots today. The scene was stacked af and I dont care how many z**mer say cs1.6 was easier back then trust me it wasn't. I guess if you want to really look at it you can seperate it post-CGS era and pre-CGS era. CGS is where in 2007 in NA they made this league which killed NA 1.6 scene and a few notable players like Zet so anyway here we go: I think in terms of stacked teams definitely 2005 and 2006: 2005: For starts lets start with CPL winter 2005 a 1.6 major, you had a korean nobody, lunatic-hai making in 2nd in the team. Now you can say they are lucky with the bracket and stuff like that but I dont think you can take it away their achievements. Then you have a very good looking NA team coL with #1 player fRoD winning ESWC 2005 Then you have NiP who has legends like Potti and HeatoN still in them. Then you have begrip that had tentpole, f0rest and robban in them. All no namers at this point but they were showing very much potential. Then you had the poles ie PENTAGRAM with neo, zibbi, luq, taz, napalm/rulon/mirri/redrum which were basically nobodies at the time and they won I think one event that entire which shooked everyone because they were so bad online with their garbage pings to servers and when they went on LAN they went crazy Then you have a strong 3D team that features the two impressive and arguably the best players of NA in 2004 in the form of Mikey Method and Griffin 'ShaGuar'. A top 1 rifler and top 1 awper at the time. Then you have the finnish Astralis and Wings which were doing so and so but still pretty good. Project KR a korean team that was growing but that team would become e-STRO later on which had several deep runs into tournament going 2nd in ESWC 2008 only losing to the poles. Then you have mibr which was growing at the time I think elemeNt went there at one point. Speaking of elemeNt, this norwegian kid who had like 3 major wins and 4 major runner up at the time were hopping teams like theres no tomorrow lmao NA was pretty stacked af too they had Rival, zEx, united5 etc on top of having 3D and coL as top 10 teams in the world Then you had the germans aTTax and Mouseports Then you had XeqtR one of the best IGL of that era leading his new team NoA with the danes later on in 2006 Then you had best norwegian player rifler of all time in the form of REAL upsetting NIP and winning t he event with team9 4kings with british people that were okay and mediocre but hey theres an actual UK Sscene LMAO Catchgamer with bsl and the norwegians This is pre CGS era and imo one of the most stacked era in cs history I think nothing will ever come close not even in CSGO
2020-10-22 12:01
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ahahah, elemeNt was like bratty little kid) But genius.
2020-10-24 21:33
4 replies
#44
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Malaysia Suno[t]
yes he was haha he admitted himself too. I was looking through the gamesurge comments and some of the users were complaining he was talking s*** to them on LAN or something LMAO
2020-10-24 21:36
1 reply
ahahahha
2020-10-24 21:37
Xaxaxa +1 Incomparable brat unlike those today
2020-10-26 12:02
1 reply
I think he was like arrogant, but in good way. I mean, he was feeling that he's so strong that he can change his teams whatever he like to. Mastermind ang super GOAT IGL himselft...or even ITSELF!!! haha
2020-10-26 12:45
+1 when NEO was in pentagram and then went to LAN and battered everyone was class. I remember the general talk was that Pentagram as a team wasn't all that but they had NEO, a CS God.
2020-10-26 11:07
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#107
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Malaysia Suno[t]
damn man I really wonder what that was like. It must have been like NAVI in 2010 just smashing everyone lmaooo. They were REALLY REALLY aggressive too damn. People say virtus.plow all the time when the poles were winning in :GO but they don't realize the plow had already been trademarked when they were just destroying everyone back then
2020-10-26 12:45
#30
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Malaysia Suno[t]
POST CGS ERA 2008-2012 This was the highest skill ceilling of cs(including csgo) era of CS history. mTw mTw formerly NoA before this had couple of close runner ups in majors placing second in both majors, WCG 2007 and ESWC2007 losing to the french emuLate! and poles PENTAGRAM. Thats the problem tho, they were just runner ups and keep getting beaten in the finals a trend they would restart in 2010 against the ukranians of NAVI. Anyway in 2008 they acquired the #1 danish player at the time which was WhimP and finally broke those streak of losing records and went on to win tourneys with him in 2008. In 2009 they would only win two tournaments before succumbing to defeat to fnatic like everyone else during that year. In 2010 they replaced MJE and WhimP because both had either college or work to do and replaced with trace and minet both young hot shot danish prospect. They were good addition but not enough to close up the finals against the unstoppable NAVI at the time. fnatic In 2007 they won a string of tournaments with the exception of majors which is kinda a trend for them but who cares f0rest was on his prime and they wonnered lots of things. 2008 would be a difficult year for them as they were struggiling with old players that were losing motivation in the form of veteran player ins and archi. IN 2009 they both got replaced by a certain christopher get_right alesund and gux. They would continue to dominate the scene in 2009 winning at least 80% of those tournaments that year only to lose a few events most notably the WCG 2009. In 2010 they were struggling again as they did in 2008 and get_right had a major fight with cArn and to this day he refused to speak about it. Gux left fnatic to join SK-gaming and was replaced by threat. In 2011 gtr and f0rest went to sk-gaming whilst fnatic added delpan and pita. They would later lose delpan to SK and got a certain guy called xizt from h2k gaming which improved the time a little but far from their peak. In 2012 after carn retired, the team that consisted of trace, modii, friis, xizt karrigan would continue their 2009 legacy by winning a majority of those events that year. navi Absolute nobodies that won 3 majors on the trot. A feat never to be repeated again only probably SK2003 hold those credentials. Markeloff was the best player in 2010. In 2011 and 2012 they were far from their dominating position but still able to nick a few wins here and there. ahh I got lazy MYM/again/frag executors/ESC-gaming They had a turmoil in 2008 which they kicked kuben for pionas then they added back kuben in 2009 and after a string of defeats they won unexpcpetedly against fnatic paying their own expenses. Later on they kicked luq after 5 years together with him and replaced him with pasha. They would struggle in 2010 and would only manage to regain their good form in 2011 and 2012 by winning the major WCG 2011 and a couple of IEMS. Sk-Gaming By this point in time spawn had just retired and they added get _right for a little while but then he got kicked or something like this so they had tentpole as their man. Zet just came back from NA cgs but he wasnt the same beast as he was so SK had this period from 2008-2010 where they would just mostly lost to fnatic in the finals or other teams. They were still good but they weren't winning tournaments. It was allen, walle, zet, tentpole and robban. They managed t o overcome this losing form by adding the likes of f0rest, delpan and gtr into the line-up and just wonnered 2011 events easily and regain their old form. Other notable teams: e-stro power-gaming WinFakt MoscowFive lemondogs ESC-gaming.swe mousesports mibr firegamers coL myeg x6tence k1ck k23 mayube I will add this if I have the mood xD
2020-10-22 14:30
12 replies
Maybe you can add wnv to the list. Good list btw
2020-10-24 20:24
6 replies
#37
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Malaysia Suno[t]
true! I think I missed out a few danish teams too like THE TITANS, SK.dk and SoA, H2k.dk, GravitasGaming.dk maybe you can give me more insight ^_^
2020-10-24 21:32
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#57
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Russia AlexFrutis
damn how many olds are there in this thread :D
2020-10-25 17:31
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#62
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Malaysia Suno[t]
im considered still new haha only started in 2008. I think guys like #36 started way back in early 00s
2020-10-25 19:13
3 replies
I thought you had followed the scene for many more years since your knowledge is so good. My self i started where it all began. But im also 34 years old now haha. Been playing for 20 years now
2020-10-26 10:15
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#104
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Malaysia Suno[t]
yeah man you mentioned to me you used to play with crashjack/vicon in one of the danish lans right haha. What's funny is I used to just troll around on gotfrag lmao but I had obsession with frag movies even with my 10kb/s speed. I remember even going to mym website to download frag movies. I was massively obsessed with the poles, norwegians BECAUSE of eoLithic and PENTAGRAM G-SHOCK POLISH STYLE movies haha. So I think subliminally I learned who was getting fragged etc. Also like to watch thorin interviews with the old cs players or even when he discusses 1.6 so thats a cheat code right there lol.
2020-10-26 12:42
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Aaarh you watch thorins videos. Those are so entertaining. Its crazy what he remembers. Hes like the encyclopedia of counter strike. Nope that wasnt me. But ive stumbled upon some pros in the early years of cs online. And ive played some onedaycups against players you would know (Karrigan, Suranga, friis, telli, cajunb etc.) And whimp has spotted me a couple of times in the local gym, plus i won a headset in a 1on1 aim challenge against him, because i was the one who got the most kills.
2020-10-26 15:40
Very good read sunot! Same goes for #29, both of them are very good reads!
2020-10-26 10:40
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#102
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Malaysia Suno[t]
thank mr plecktrikal glad you enjoyed it haha
2020-10-26 12:38
alternate attax was also dominating for about 1 year
2020-10-26 12:17
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#103
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Malaysia Suno[t]
you mean in 2006 right? I'm unsure were they really dominating to my knowledge they only won a couple of events here and there. Still good team regardless
2020-10-26 12:39
#144
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Argentina atriX^
Thanks for the stroll down memory lane. :D
2020-10-27 03:56
Na'Vi was the beasts
2020-10-24 20:06
Roses are red Violets are blue Suno[t] I'm calling for you
2020-10-24 21:32
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#40
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Malaysia Suno[t]
#29 #30 :P
2020-10-24 21:33
#41
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Malaysia Suno[t]
nice poem btw LOL (no homo)
2020-10-24 21:33
Best 1.6 team is Fnatic 2011 because GOD XIZT
2020-10-24 21:33
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#110
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Malaysia Suno[t]
fnatic 2012 bro IM DISAPPOINTED IN YOU HAHAHAHA
2020-10-26 12:46
#46
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Poland Necro666
VP NaVi and SK was the lastest cs 1.6 kings, but in the deep past, NiP, fnatic, 3D, mymTw, mibr.
2020-10-24 21:51
5 replies
Nope. Fnatic was the lastest 1.6 kings
2020-10-24 22:40
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#48
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Poland Necro666
am not sure i think last two yrs of cs go was between SK NaVi and VP . but still respectfully to fnatic :D
2020-10-24 23:35
3 replies
I thought you meant what team were the best the very end of 1.6.
2020-10-25 09:08
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#59
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Poland Necro666
for sure not fnatic homie
2020-10-25 18:50
1 reply
Yes for sure. My 1.6 memory is quite accurate.
2020-10-25 20:08
SK, fnatic, Na'Vi and the Polish golden five The danes had good moments and the brazilians had also. f0rest AND neo as one of the greatests.
2020-10-24 23:44
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#56
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Russia AlexFrutis
+1 imo f0rest is best player of cs in general
2020-10-25 17:28
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#83
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Germany Booya
+1
2020-10-26 10:58
I havent followed the scene, but people say GOAT is Neo, and 2nd GOAT is f0rest
2020-10-25 17:23
1 reply
There is only one GOAT and that is s1mple
2020-10-26 12:11
#55
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Russia AlexFrutis
Na'vi ofc. We can say that they won grand slam of cs 1.6. And before na'vi era is Fnatic probably
2020-10-25 17:27
Pentagram/MYM,NoA,SK,Fnatic era best era
2020-10-25 17:38
goats: f0rest, GeT_RiGhT, neo best era: Na'Vi sickest play: Edward vs fnatic pistol ace on tuscan
2020-10-25 19:01
#61
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United Kingdom pnuTblyat
ask the esports historion thoooorin
2020-10-25 19:02
1 reply
Blyat I'm back baby
2020-11-07 12:36
#66
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Estonia qoznyyy
that reminds me that i used to download walle's cfg every time after fresh install of cs thinking my shots are gonna be more accurate
2020-10-25 20:22
Biggest rivalry at the end of cs 1.6 has to be NAvi vs polish squad (polish VP basically) Also NEO was goat of 1.6 if anyone says otherwise (except forest who was pretty close) they are biased. Also simple isnt goat
2020-10-25 20:30
Greatest team was probably the golden 5. Goat NEO easiliy, forest close second though. My personal favourite players were colon and delpan
2020-10-25 20:56
best team i would say Na'Vi, they had edward,zeus,markeloff,ceh9 and starix. The s1mple of 1.6 maybe NEO or f0rest and rivalries i have no clue
2020-10-25 21:27
#75
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Asia dyunman
6 majors golden 5
2020-10-26 10:19
guys focus on present and future not the past if your favourite team was good in the past but not playing actively or not with the same org/roster then that is the past. astralis results are not the past as all 5 players still playing (from next event) for the same org just an actual looking in past/present for a good argument sk/luminosity/mibr are very differetnt for one 2 of these orgs in csgo do not exists the third don't more than 1 of those legendary rosters so focus what is on and what is next rather than crying about the past
2020-10-26 10:21
Thoorin has a lot of Videos on 1.6 on his Channel, including Interviews with Pros and such.
2020-10-26 10:45
#82
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Russia Rapu
Navi 2010 were like Astralis and markeloff was like S1mple.
2020-10-26 10:56
MTW Danny "zonic" Sørensen (born July 30, 1986) is a Danish professional Counter-Strike: Global Offensive coach and former professional Counter-Strike: Global Offensive and Counter-Strike player. Arguably the greatest Danish 1.6 player of all time, zonic had huge success with several Danish teams, winning around 110,000 dollars in prize money. He was one of the founding members of the legendary mTw.dk, one of the most dominant 1.6 teams in history. youtube.com/watch?v=z1LE-CmxsVY
2020-10-26 11:00
pasha neo taz kuben loord
2020-10-26 11:01
tbh before 2008 it's not that relevant for me personally (+respekt for #29 guy tho), so judging by that I'd say sk/fnatic, na'vi, golden5 (with all their org names) & mtw are solid candidates. I'm not taking late mousesports (2011-2012) into consideration, but very solid team I'd watch mtw trace all day, I don't know what happened to that guy but he was like #1 danish player :( neo goat, f0rp god, gtr fav <3, markeloff > p1mple, edward pistol king on tuscan. We need de_tuscan bros My all-star line-up for 2008-2010 cs would be trace, neo, f0rest, markeloff, get_right. To answer your question - goat 1.6 team would be Na'Vi Where is trace now my danish comrades?
2020-10-26 11:04
#88
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France pol44r
source better mens)
2020-10-26 11:08
1.Pentagram/MYM/VP polish line up, these guys weren't the best individually but boy they knew when to step up and grind their way to victory and watching NEO (IMO the best 1.6 player) was an absolute joy to watch. 2.fnatic were the most talented group and very very good. 3.NAVI/mTw
2020-10-26 11:10
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#109
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Malaysia Suno[t]
pentagram poggers!!
2020-10-26 12:45
NAVI/Fnatic/MTW/Golden Five/SK
2020-10-26 11:55
Navi
2020-10-26 12:09
2 replies
+1
2020-10-26 12:10
#116
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2020-10-26 16:01
Just like CS:GO NaVi was the best team in CS 1.6 as well.
2020-10-26 12:10
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#105
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Brazil chico12
majors?
2020-10-26 12:43
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#114
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Serbia LtN))
4
2020-10-26 15:59
#117
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2020-10-26 16:01
4teams come to my mind as best ever in 1.6 neo,taz,kuben,loordb,pasha f0rest, get_right,delpan, robban, face markeloff, zeus,starix,xeh9,edward f0rest, get_right, carn, dsn, gux As great players f0rest and NEO are obviously the best 2 in cs 1.6 history but players like get_right, markeloff, zonic or Sunde deserve honorable mentions.
2020-10-26 12:20
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#118
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Serbia LtN))
f0rest, neo, markeloff gods
2020-10-26 16:02
1 reply
You cannot put markeloff near f0rest and NEO, not because he was not good enough nut simply because f0rp and NEO were doing it for a longer period of time.
2020-10-26 16:17
Could you remind me under whitch org(-s) were two Swedish rosters you mentioned at the time?
2020-10-27 02:46
1 reply
1st one is 2011 SK, 2nd one is 2007 fnatic
2020-10-27 08:08
#106
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Brazil chico12
SK😎👍
2020-10-26 12:44
#111
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Thailand hahahoha
idk who s1mple would be, but zywoo = 2009 get right
2020-10-26 12:51
1 reply
Zywoo = neo.
2020-10-26 16:03
#115
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Serbia LtN))
NaVi bestest 1.6 team if they were formed before 2009/10 they would win more than 4 majors for sure.
2020-10-26 16:01
#120
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France Nicolito
Best Teams: SK, fnatic, mtw Best Players: Neo, f0rest
2020-10-26 16:05
In the 1.6 days swedish cs was best no doubt. but you cant put it up against cs-go of today. if you take the best team from that time with the players as they where back then. every top 30 team today would be able to beat them. Cs have gown and changes so much, so much more teamwork and set ups. everything has become much better. Back then most of the teams where also "none pro" just people playing together for "fun", the swedish teams changes that. but it also meant that they didnt really have much competition to begin with, so the stats and things, however impressive it was, and its still some of the most important to happen to cs. however it has more to do with that the other teams where just beginning to form at "pro" So what Astralis did with their 1-2 year run, was far more impressive because the other teams put up more of a fight, and the whole scene has improved much more to make it less possible to do what they did. So overall. any team if you take the players as they where back in 1.6 would lose to any top 30 team of today. and the whole scene was just different the way the game was played was different so cant compare what was done back then to things being done now that is or should be close to impossible. this dont take anything away from what was done back in 1.6. it was not only impressive at the time. it was also super important for cs, and cs would not be where it is if not for those things. they chagned the way the game was played, the same way astralis did in a big way two years ago and done with minor things since.. But yea. there is nothing to compare with teams of the time against teams now a days. its like taken a football team from the 1930 against a pro team of today they would be destroyed.
2020-10-26 16:19
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#134
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Malaysia Suno[t]
I disagree. If you are talking about cs 2000-2002 maybe. But from 2003 onwards it was really competitive. Saying stuff like the elites of 1.6 esp the period from 2010-2012 can handle no candle to top 30 CSGO teams is ludicrous and absolute mockery of the scene. You have no evidence and proof to back it up at all. The fact that some of these guys trained while maintaining 2nd/3rd jobs with low paying income is a miracle to keep that level up for that long.
2020-10-27 01:29
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many things back it up.. 100+ years of all sports.. Every sport evolve. and gets better every aspect of it change and get better. every detail gets better and more practiced. new things are found and exploited its a commen and natural thing. And with E sport this goes very fast because its very new. how the game was played during the 1.6 days was miles away from how it is now. the level that goes in to every point on the map, every move and choice. So its backed up. its not ludicrous. Yes its not something that anyone can say 100% one way or the other. but not only the science behind it. but the core understanding of the game. and how it changes from 1.6 to know. even how its changed from the first year of cs-go to know is an insane gap. So its not just some random thing, its something that many have done research about over the years for many things with this sort of things. And it applies to cs to. and e sports in general. Take that and if you know and understand the aspects of the game and use that to see how the game is being played and have been played in different times its really clear. Its not hocus pokus or anything. its a commen understanding of things and how they work. Still im not saying they where bad in 1.6 they where better than anyone ever been before. but still no skillset can make up for the concept of time. its not speaking bad about those people. its just speaking of how sports work. how cs is. All very simple. But all that aside. you are more than welcome to disagree all you want. Wont change anything either way.
2020-10-27 02:17
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#136
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Malaysia Suno[t]
But we are not talking about 100 years here and we are talking about esports which is also different. Let's say boxing, they don't even go to 15th round these days. Backtrack to 70s Ali and Frasier were pounding each other until the 15th round on what was called the greatest fight of the century. Then you backtrack to the early 1900s you have guys pushing to 60-70 rounds of boxing. Would you call Mayweather greater than any of these guys? ofc not. Same with F1. Von trips in the 40s were dominating the sport, along with Jim Clark in the 60s. They would still hold very highly towards today's standards. The feat that Clark achieved in the 60s will never be repeated again in F1 history. Not even Lewis Hamilton with 91 wins can hold a candle to him. Having that said, this is such a z**mer argument with no basis nor context for competitive 1.6. Just because you get paid more and prizepools are in the millions does not make today CSGO pros better than 1.6. You can even add they are FAR worse off. You are expected to win in tournies and how many times have you heard upsets in the majors. CSGO teams are one of the most inconsistent teams in history. If you look at the top 5 teams in CS1.6 history, they are legit top 5. They either run in deep or go into the semis. Then you look at TOP 5 CSGO teams they sometimes will be out in groups and beaten by no namers. This will never happen or happen rarely in 1.6. You CSGO fans thinks you are so much better than everyone else and that 1.6 were dumb players than only know how to use ball mouse w/ 0iq strats.
2020-10-27 02:28
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CS is Esports.. And its a new sports. with a computer so the change happens faster then a bunch of people on a football field. think of cs a cyckling.. 1.6 is heavy iron bikes.. best at the time. cs go is then carbon frames.. Both had changes happen to them to make each bike better, but the carbon bike would always be better to race on that then iron bike. In a race that would win even if the person riding it is worse than the iron bike. Because of the changes made. its how things progress. And you trying to make it about money or time has nothing to do with anything, you are making it personal.. it has nothing to do with any person. its just based on commen facts of how things work. its about the understand of the game at the time, and what it took to be pro at the time how the game was played as a pro. if you use those tactics today. you would fall through because they are massively outdated because way better things have come at every level from how team train, call and move and set each other up. its was simple not something you did 1.6 the same way. they played the game different. in csgo things are done that was not considered in 1.6 its a completely natural thing,. has nothing to do with talen, or people or anything. but natural progress.. has nothing to do with you socalled zomer what ever. those words are garbage to describe anything anyway. its a natural thing. nothing more. nothing less. You view it as a fan, you put your emotions into it when the core of it has no emotions. its not about being a fan, or talking about persons. Its game progress. and understanding on how to optimise how you play it. But as said you are more than welcome to believe what you want. Do not change anything either way. To me it wont change what its clear and a very commen thing throughout such things. No personal anything, its just is how things are. And then you can get angry and personal and call me things all you want. it wont change anything either way.. you take it personal and make it into something its not about. No one is saying 0IQ strats.. well you do .. It has nothing to do with my point. im not talking about them being bad players. So you misunderstand the point because of your personal view on it.. and thats fine. But it also shows why the argument holds from my point of view. and why yours dont. And what you call inconsistent could also show how there now are many teams at a much higher level. in 1.6 there was in the start no pro team. then the swedish teams started to go pro and got far ahead of the others so there was no competion really. has nothing to do with inconsistanty.. today every team in top 30. is among the best in the world. super high level. and that is what shows.
2020-10-27 03:32
elemeNt forgotten :(
2020-10-26 16:45
The best team overall were the Golden 5 from Poland: Neo, TaZ, Kuben, Loord and one more (Pasha joined later) but they weren't consistently good. Navi 2010 were like Astralis 2018/2019 had an insane year Neo was the best player by far, markeloff was like Simple with the awp
2020-10-26 16:48
#140
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Kuwait roye
S1mple at 1.6 was probably someone like Sunde and best player in cs 1.6 was Neo and Spawn
2020-10-27 02:39
Shaguar was like zywoo now
2020-10-27 04:01
The best team would have been NaVi, they really dominated that scene, and Markeloff was the best awper according to a top 5 video on awpers from 1.6
2020-10-27 04:16
#148
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Argentina atriX^
hmmm When it comes to players in general, neo or f0rest. I personally prefer neo. For awper I'd say markeloff for sure. Na`Vi was completely dominant in 2010 and he was a big part of his team winning everything. If 1.6 had lasted a few more years, nobody would even doubt him as top1 awper. Biggest rivalry was the Swedish derby SK-fnatic. Dominants teams were Na`Vi, Golden 5, fnatic 2009, fnatic 2012, mTw 2008, early SK but they had many legendary rosters across the years.
2020-10-27 04:26
1) Depends on time period. I'd say SK/NiP vs 2nd best swedish team (2001-2004) - at that time most of the top CS was played in Sweden. Then 2005-2006 there were a lot of good teams, but I'd say fnatic were the best out of them. 2007-2009 Poles (Team Pentagram/MYM/Frag Executors/Again) vs fnatic, and finally 2010-2011 famously NaVi vs fnatic. Out of these teams SK were pretty much unstoppable in 2002-2004 and the Poles have won all the major events in their prime even though they didnt win everything. 2) 2001-2006 the scene was stacked thanks to swedish CS. Later on there were a lot of good teams from all over the place, kinda like today but since there were less well funded orgs the number of those teams could be higher. 3) SpawN was huge, elemeNt before him, but I guess very few people remember. NEO was good, but I wouldnt attribute it all to mechanics. Then we have f0rest and GeT_RiGhT: f0rest is just a goat of CS1.6 and GeT_RiGhT was a player very similar to NEO - nothing mindblowing in mechanics but excelling everywhere else. 4) There were actually very few teams who played tactical CS like Astralis do now. Out of consistently good teams I can only point out fnatic back when they had THREAT (current NiP coach) and mTw (with zonic, even though he wasnt an IGL).
2020-10-27 04:49
Easily SK or Fnatic But EG was also really solid too
2020-10-27 04:58
Navi /closed
2020-10-27 05:12
mtw/navi
2020-10-27 05:24
Im just gonna drop this here youtube.com/watch?v=WDUMQMLNFvA 50 best cs 1.6 players of all time!
2020-10-28 19:50
If you came here in 2008-2011. and asked who the goat is, you'd be spammed with fox. Portuguese were in 1.6 what Brazilians are in csgo. Except, you know, Brazilian players actually accomplished something in csgo.
2020-10-29 16:12
#161
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Ireland cruddi
zneels 1 taps
2020-11-07 12:29
can u tell me every player who won a major in cs 1.6
2020-11-07 12:34
SK with spawn Fnatic with f0rest Polish team with neo Danish team with zonic
2020-11-07 12:37
Was very year to year kind of a thing in my opinion. 2005-2006 NiP (with Zet, walle, robban...) was really good. Fnatic started getting noticed in 2006 though. 2007- Fnatic with forest,carn, dsn, archi and ins. Mym/Golden 5 with Neo, Taz, Luq, Kuben and Loord 2008- MTW were too damn good with Zonic, sunde, ave, mje and whimp. They were one of the most tactical teams in 1.6 in my opinion (similar to Astralis) and Sunde was insanely skilled. Mym/Golden 5 with Neo, Taz, Luq, Kuben and Loord 2009- Fnatic's year when they kicked Archi and Ins for Get right and Gux winning multiple events like Kode5, IEM global finals and another 3-4 that I can't recall. Though they lost 2 big events to Neo's team (WCG and one more that I can't remember). 2010- Navi's legendary lineup with Markeloff , Edward, zeus, starix and ceh9. Post this I stopped following CS regularly. But during all this time, I feel the most consistent team was Neo's team. Golden 5, Mym or whatever name they went by. They normally didn't win the most trophies in a particular year but they had this tendency of showing up to the big events and winning them. While they lost to fnatic and MTW in some of the smaller events, they beat them during the big events from 2006-2008. I'm a forest fanboy but I have to admit that I feel Neo was the best 1.6 player with forest in 2nd place.
2020-11-07 14:22
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1.28
Sprout
3.56
FURIA
1.06
Isurus
8.40
Heroic
1.24
Endpoint
4.10
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