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shroud CSGO is dead
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031 
Just beacuse people in NA switched to valorant or stopped playing that doesnt mean its dead lol. Maybe he wants CSGO to be dead since NA scene is close to it. Shroud stopped playing cs to stream and probably doesnt even follow the scene unless liquid or eg are playing something. People who think that he is right are delusional.
2020-10-20 17:29
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csgo was never alive in na
2020-10-20 17:30
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we have a lot fewer players than people realize, we have been overrepresented in the pro scene for awhile to be honest (maybe because we have a big potential market)
2020-10-20 17:32
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Honestly though, the Tier 2 scene just needs more competition as well, just look at EU and you can see NineToFive and Malta Vibes tournaments every week, we need more of that stuff here in NA, if you are a T2 team, it is so hard to really grind officials.
2020-10-20 17:35
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#38
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Brazil LukFD
Agreed, here in Brazil we have GC Masters, GC Open, GC Amature, Tribo to Major now, a lot of Loot.Bets, Dell camps, CBCS... I know there is MDL in NA and others but I see players prefering to play FPL than some camps
2020-10-20 17:46
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Yeah, the only real T2 competitions are the cast cups offered by FPL and ESEA, and that's about it, its like once a month over the span of 2 days
2020-10-20 17:47
#56
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Brazil urm@m
No way. Those arent even tier 2 tournaments. Tier 2 is something like flashpoint. Those 9-5/etc. tourneys are all breeding grounds for match fixing.
2020-10-20 18:19
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I didn't expect to find an angry bettor in this thread, but here we are...
2020-10-20 18:27
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#61
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Brazil urm@m
Not at all, I don't bet on those games. But theres no denying that those tournaments are so insignificant in the competitive environment that teams might aswell throw them. Most of them give fairly laughable prize pools (like $10k for 1st place, if that) and give 0 RMR points. No incentive for teams to try.
2020-10-20 18:30
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Just because they could do it, doesn't mean they are. Also I still have yet to see definitive proof of matchfixing, so there's that
2020-10-20 18:32
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well we have seen it done in tier1 so why couldnt it be done in tier 3. I dont believe that it has been done often but it probably has been done in some irrelevant tourneys
2020-10-20 21:48
american technology product consumption is insane so theres alot of sponsor potential too bad the players suck
2020-10-20 17:35
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yeah, the competition isn't nearly as strong, I'm surprised this region has been as competitive as it has been maybe the NA teams will be better if they move to EU (for example, if Liquid players move into the new facility the org build in the Netherlands), but at that point maybe just build a European team, it would be easier
2020-10-20 17:39
Single european countries with MUCH fewer people than the US has, have produced much better teams than NA. Denmark has 5 million people and destroy everyone, bad excuse
2020-10-20 17:44
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yes, because you play with other europeans collectively, europeans have the largest player pool, creating more competition and raising the highest level of play in fact, small countries with relatively large player pools like denmark have the biggest advantage, because it much easier to form teams, create LANs, etc.
2020-10-20 17:55
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hahahaha that's such utter bs. whatever you need to say to cope tho
2020-10-20 17:56
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#51
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United States dusq
imagine being so confident in being wrong lol
2020-10-20 17:59
he´s right though, specially on the last sentence.
2020-10-20 18:03
7 replies
How is he right? CSGO isent even the most popular game in Denmark, far from it, we don't have a lot of players despite what people think. How on earth can having 100x more players than Denmark be a disadvantage? so delusional
2020-10-20 18:57
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#72
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Netherlands WitnessMe
OK so USA might have 100x your players, but did you know that Denmark can fit 228 times in the USA? Do you now understand that you have a higher player per square kilometer ratio?
2020-10-20 19:02
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Oh a higher "player per square kilometer ratio" is more important than having 100x the players to pick from. That's just insane, sorry. And please tell me how many of the new danish stars met at LAN's or small tournaments please. We have VERY few national tournaments a year, so that again makes no sense.
2020-10-20 19:05
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#75
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Netherlands WitnessMe
I don't know why you change the subject as I've only stated a fact above :^)
2020-10-20 19:14
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You're somehow trying to argue that being a smaller country makes up for having 100x the talent to choose from. Just stop
2020-10-20 19:53
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#87
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Netherlands WitnessMe
No I didn't
2020-10-20 20:12
you may not meet on LAN´s,. but ur country must have the biggest amount of 5 stacks on Faceit.
2020-10-20 19:25
#90
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Argentina atriX^
He's right though and population amount has nothing to do with it. We have an over 7x higher population than Denmark and yet we don't have any decent teams because competition here is very low and therefore so is the skill level. Most of the highest level tournaments are hosted in Europe and only some of them in the US. None in South America. Rio major is going to be the first really big event here. Teams can't travel without money and no money without sponsors. It's the sad truth.
2020-10-20 20:26
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i'll agree on south america. i won't agree on NA, Besides, upcoming teams who get picked up by good orgs do so by doing well online, not by going to LAN's
2020-10-20 21:23
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#95
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Argentina atriX^
Well, NA is on a completely different level than SA. They have EG and Liquid as their main teams. Liquid is now having a rough patch but they used to be a very strong team. In Europe, there are far more teams of the same or higher caliber as them. It's a combination of both online and LANs and the US has a good amount of high tier events.
2020-10-20 21:44
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Israel ROSAAAAAAAN
shrouds washed and became a very stale streamer, or i think he always was kinda no personality guy i guess idk, hes kinda gay ngl
2020-10-20 17:30
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#5
NiKo | 
Croatia mimi031
went to stream beacuse of the money and then talks about csgo being dead...lol.
2020-10-20 17:32
6 replies
IDK I saw him playing Valorant with Summit the other day and it just seemed so obvious that they were paid by Riot to stream Valorant. Greedy snakes.
2020-10-20 17:34
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all games that shroud plays on stream were paid by their companys. Only game that he didnt get the money for was csgo.
2020-10-20 17:36
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yeah, true for PubG, true for countless other BR games I can't remember the names of
2020-10-20 17:48
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United States Slyckz
lol ur a fucking idiot
2020-10-20 17:36
2 replies
are you implying that popular streamers don't get paid to play certain games on stream by developers?
2020-10-20 17:48
1 reply
To be fair the good practices is to tell the viewers if they are being paid to play a game. But then again underhanded methods may exists so fingers crossed.
2020-10-20 18:06
#4
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Algeria LOBYA6AJIN
damn, shroud betraying csgo while its the game that made him famous, only cares about money and was never relevant in csgo anyway, he didnt even deserve a spot in cloud9 , only good at getting kills in na mm or faceit
2020-10-20 17:32
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shourd at his peak wouldnt even be top 20 player today
2020-10-20 17:33
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#23
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Algeria LOBYA6AJIN
he wouldnt even be top 20 players even back then, people overrated him so much, calling him best player , better than s1mple , best aimer this kids are delusional he was never a good player, washed up player who only got clips from mm and faceit and not pro games
2020-10-20 17:38
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+1
2020-10-20 18:07
top 20? Maybe top 200 at his peak.
2020-10-20 17:38
#26
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Canada sad_face
+1 mens its all true
2020-10-20 17:38
Shroud at his absolute top was pretty decent in the pro scene but damn he like never showed it on lan
2020-10-20 17:55
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he didn´t have the cojones to play on LAN. Just check his aim, more shaky than Kjaerbye.
2020-10-20 19:27
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Nah when he was on lan (especially majors) he didn't really do shit
2020-10-20 19:57
This situation of 2020 resembles Nuke TR side. It can kill our spirit and will, makes it seem like the end is certain and near... Then comes the CT side and everything is good again. #ComeOnAlready2021
2020-10-20 17:32
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Russia Evil_DaviD1
Yes! More, more threads about shroud, the most overrated player in history of CS and even probably in esports.
2020-10-20 17:32
It doesn't matter what he says, he is just another dude with an opinion.
2020-10-20 17:33
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i guess ur right...i guess attention seeker...its not enough
2020-10-20 17:34
SHroud is a boring old fossil
2020-10-20 17:33
#11
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United Kingdom tank6123
more like shroud's channel is dead
2020-10-20 17:34
North americans are self-centered. Don't mind them.
2020-10-20 17:35
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LUCAS1 | 
Brazil Urag
Online CS are boring af. Thats why he said that. CS will reborn when covid over
2020-10-20 17:35
Who tf cares what Shroud has to say about CS
2020-10-20 17:35
#21
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Canada sad_face
Still Fortnite is much more popular in NA than Valorant and CSGO compared.
2020-10-20 17:36
#22
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United States Slyckz
its funny that people actually think its dead in na because a bunch of tier 2-3 players are chasing a bag in valorant its affecting the top pro scene but valorant hasn't changed much for the actual total players in na
2020-10-20 17:37
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So true. Show me a time when NA had 2 teams as strong as Liquid and EG capable of world #1 and competing with EU. Never.
2020-10-20 17:42
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#92
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United States Slyckz
also chaos is on the same level as the top na teams used to be years ago geng too but they dont have an actual roster yet
2020-10-20 21:37
The funny thing is it's not Valorant that's really hurting NA CS it's really Covid. There's more hype around the new game for sure and some players certainly would have left. But if teams could still travel you wouldn't have seen nearly the exodus you have out of the continent. Regardless the playerbase *is* relatively small but it kind of always has been compared to EU. It's not dead and once travel/LAN are something the ESL's and Blast's of the world do again it'll come back. By this time in 2021 you'll likely have Complexity back in their fancy HQ. New C9, Liquid, EG, Furia etc. And someone if it's not Gen.G themselves will come back and pick up the rest of the players that can play Tier 1 or shown tier 1 potential (Obo, Osee, Xeppa etc)
2020-10-20 17:37
Shroud: pubg will kill cs. Pubg: dies Shroud: apex will kill cs. Apex: dies Shroud: warzone will kill cs. Warzone: dies I think I see a pattern...
2020-10-20 17:40
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+1
2020-10-20 17:42
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#39
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Algeria LOBYA6AJIN
+1 so true lmao
2020-10-20 17:46
+1
2020-10-20 18:46
#86
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Hungary REDUCTiON
+1 lol
2020-10-20 20:08
#88
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT
has he really said these things?
2020-10-20 20:15
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Idk about Warzone and Apex, but i remember that he said such a thing about PUBG.
2020-10-20 21:44
He said that the NA scene is dying but the article spun his words ))
2020-10-20 17:40
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He is wrong. NA has the biggest player base in the world. Only US scene alone is bigger than russias.
2020-10-20 17:43
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Russia SW@G_2
shroud, steel, summ1t are all cucks with massive na burgers for brains. why people watch them is beyond me
2020-10-20 17:40
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Steel's reason for leaving cs is understandable tbh. I don’t even think he wanted to leave cs, valve just screwed him over
2020-10-20 17:43
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agreed +1
2020-10-20 18:20
he screwed himself over by throwing games. well deserved
2020-10-20 21:48
When Shroud says it's dead he's talking from his position as a streamer. Valve aren't sponsoring him and his girlfriend to play their game basically.
2020-10-20 17:40
shrimp
2020-10-20 17:42
Shroud is dead streamer with his ridiculous looking goatee
2020-10-20 17:46
you all are retarded xD He just states obvious facts and you are bashing him because he decided to quit cs and stream. CSGO in NA is dying, teams are considering moving to Europe because there is no one they can play against.
2020-10-20 17:52
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malding shroud fan KEKW
2020-10-20 18:21
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I'm not his fan, never was. I don't even watch his stream.
2020-10-20 22:44
he has a point about numbers being down while money stays the same / increases. Not saying that the game is dying, but it is shrinking for the moment what with COVID and the online era. NA could be such a powerhouse if there was some sort of scene development outside of MDL. Too bad that Americans are not as interested in playing Pro CS as other smaller European countries.
2020-10-20 17:52
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#64
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Germany bowski23
which numbers are down?
2020-10-20 18:34
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I think shroud was referring to viewers over time or something? I havent looked much into the statistics myself, but he could also have been referring to the current state of NA/other regions in csgo - very few teams that are actual contenders outside of EU (asia has never been top tier, NA and BR are shrinking outside of a couple teams each) will that lack of regional CS outside of EU make for less people watching outside of EU? Maybe
2020-10-20 18:51
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#80
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Germany bowski23
Yeah because average viewer count(non major months) is actually higher then ever since April except for July. It's the same with player count. So actually cs is doing pretty well. The opposite is true for Valorant. It's viewership is steadily declining since release.
2020-10-20 19:45
i remember him saying csgo is a dead game after he retired then there was an increase in the playerbase, he just doesnt want to acknowledge the fact he couldnt make it anywhere in the csgo scene so hes salty
2020-10-20 17:56
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#65
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Germany bowski23
+1 lol
2020-10-20 18:34
I have been playing CS for 15 years and I hear that CS will die every year. The only thing I can see is that there are new games that pops up every year and disappear after a few years but CS is still here... Don't listen to this people
2020-10-20 17:59
People value Shroud's opinion? Dude is just another streamer, never was relevant in cs so he utilised his talents streaming and made a lot of money. But when it comes to talking about cs nobody with a brain values his input, an average pugg-ish player who made it on a shitty NA team and was overrated a fuck ton... achieved nothing in the scene so just stuck with streaming and it worked for him.
2020-10-20 18:15
NA CS died with IBP, they never came back to life after that.
2020-10-20 18:22
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tarik | 
Indonesia ro2a
the only thing that already died is MIXER lmao
2020-10-20 18:33
Dude literally wasted his career by not caring, stole about a hundred checks in C9, got one spot named after him which only people in NA call shroud, then retired. He never seemed to love the game honestly with how quickly he jumped ship to playing PUBG and so on. In fact he has not talked about Counter-Strike in a positive light even when he was playing. I don't think it's worth talking about him for a reason. He's just a businessman, and businessmen say whatever will get them money in their craft. In his craft money comes from getting more clicks. That's what he's getting. My point. Fuck shroud. Fuck everything he represents. And fuck everyone who thinks he's got a space in our platform. He's a boring, bland streamer with a severe lack of personality and above average skills but nothing too fancy. If you want to watch streaming go watch Ninja or DrDisrespect. If you want to watch skilled cunts go for the pro players of the games. If you want to watch an allrounder who is similar to shroud in skill but a hundred times better as a content creator go watch summit. And ofc watch Imaqtpie because that homie is just a living meme.
2020-10-20 18:45
lmao shroud is right, csgo is in a declining phase , it s been 6 years i dont understand why you guys are so mad about it. csgo is not dying because valorant or pubg but other internal factors ( lack of support from community except in EU, skin betting , majors are overrated at this point ) ofc corona kinda fucked everything up because there s no LAN Event but still you can see a lot of negatives happening in csgo competitive environment now
2020-10-20 18:59
Most overrated player of all time
2020-10-20 19:01
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I must agree with that statement
2020-10-20 19:04
I'm tire of people in the Valorant community calling him "one of the greatest FPS players of all time" bitch, he wasn't even the best player in Cloud9. He never had the talent to be a pro at any game besides CSGO. Sure, his ability to adapt quickly between games is astounding, but he's still FAAAAAAAR from "one of the greatest"
2020-10-20 19:59
most games are dying due to corporations greed, mayb kept alive for money making but the soul is long gone.
2020-10-20 19:26
Shroud always had retarded takes so this braindead comment by him is nothing new. Remember when he said Blackout was the best Battle Royale and it would kill PUBG and Fortnite and shit? Or remember when he said that PUBG would kill CS or when he said CSGO was dead in 2018. The guy might've played at the top level but he doesn't know wtf he's talking about in the slightest. Only thing he's good for nowadays is overhyping and shilling for games and shittalking CS because he's jaded towards CS and he takes every chance he gets to call the game dying or dead.
2020-10-20 19:31
Shroud has been saying that for the past 2 1/2 years. In the meantime he has played: PUBG, Fortnite, Black Ops 4, Warzone, Apex Legends, and many others. All of those games have lost their popularity while CSGO is still one of the most played games on Steam and watched on Twitch. He's delusional and should shut his mouth and keep playing which at least he's good at that
2020-10-20 19:56
#85
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Portugal hybridz
i understand that u guys don't like shroud , i'm ok with that , but defending this game is the most ridiculous thing ever , imagine the community that plays the game asking for better servers and anti-cheat for +5 years and valve not giving a fuck to that and only throwing skins and cases to your face ... its clear that they don't give a fuck about their player base , look at riot ... look at what riot has been doing to LoL and now valorant ... stop with the " ohhh cs is so good , not a dead game " and then you sit in your chair raging at a match because u are playing against a cheater in a shitty 64ticket server
2020-10-20 20:06
He might be getting that Riot skrilla... telling me that the game with highest peak + player count on steam is dying? fuck off man, everyday these entitled streamers be spitting shit and the brainlet viewers that can't think for themselves go on sharing the same stupid opinion
2020-10-20 20:26
nah csgo will die when the queen dies fucking never
2020-10-20 21:41
He's just an another hot BAITER like you Or he's trying to trigger kids like u
2020-10-20 21:42
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