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GUARDIAN v NIKO
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United States skroobdoober 
Rivalry recently posted videos of both Niko and Guardian talking about former teammates and other players: Niko: youtube.com/watch?v=uxj96kmX64A Guardian: youtube.com/watch?v=PZKpVdRJ7QM Both are very enlightening about their thoughts on FaZe's decline in 2018, with notably Niko calling Karrigan the most overrated player he's played with and Guardian calling him the most underrated. Niko goes on to say that it makes no sense that people accuse him of getting Karrigan removed first as IGL and then from the team, which seems to be contradicted by the fact that Rain and now Guardian have said that kicking him was a mistake. I don't know how Niko manages to still be so arrogant and oblivious about the situation, but because of it he still ranks as one of the most tragic wastes of talent in CS that has continuously kneecapped his own career and legacy. What do you mens think about their points? I'm curious to know TL;DR Niko calls Karrigan overrated, Guardian calls him underrated, Niko seems to want to waste his talent
2020-10-20 18:05
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#1
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Israel ROSAAAAAAAN
niko is an authority figure, he can say that, hes that good
2020-10-20 18:07
2 replies
#53
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Indonesia begalracer
no
2020-10-20 19:48
Lol he is a garbage IGL and as a player he is declining like hell
2020-10-20 23:51
#2
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Latvia tibr0
nice major choke
2020-10-20 18:07
17 replies
NA still only 1 major LULW
2020-10-20 18:29
16 replies
#23
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Latvia tibr0
+ actually could have 0 freaking tarik and stew got major so shit
2020-10-20 18:33
15 replies
Yes, totally not deserved imo. tarik peanut brain and school cheating stewie got an undeserved fluke major. Guardian should have won that
2020-10-20 18:34
14 replies
#28
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Latvia tibr0
+ more deserved
2020-10-20 18:39
#34
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Pakistan hawrU
+1 he deserved
2020-10-20 19:10
+1 But NiKo choked hard at this grandfinal.
2020-10-20 19:13
Tarik was playing out of his mind that major. He might be shit now, but then at that major, him and Skadoodle played insane.
2020-10-20 19:29
+1 Edit: Have a good day!
2020-10-20 19:59
Whoever wins it deserves it. They made an insane comeback and beat 3 top teams in playoffs.
2020-10-20 20:31
That's something losers tell themselves,what matters is who won in the end. Obviously it sucks for Guardian,a player can stilk do his best and lose because its 5v5 but still
2020-10-20 20:39
yeah but they didnt LOL they are bot chokers that lost to na. simple
2020-10-20 20:53
#89
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Sweden Trkmag
+1
2020-10-20 20:57
+1!
2020-10-20 21:31
There is nothing like he deserves more than him. C9 were playing out of their minds at that time , they won fair enough. Stop crying .
2020-10-21 06:45
Guardian deserved it but NA deserved it more, after years of getting laughed at we finally proved them wrong
2020-10-21 07:24
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#141
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Latvia tibr0
i only give this major title to skadoodle cuz he actually deserves but yea..gg
2020-10-21 16:55
1 reply
Yeah to this day I’m surprised mr content and stewie10am still won a major
2020-10-21 17:12
Niko is a narcissist, he doesnt know or understand that his ego is huge.
2020-10-20 18:08
9 replies
+1
2020-10-20 18:08
+1
2020-10-20 18:29
He does. He admitted that he has a big ego altho he said he earned it , which imo is true , he is NiKo after all.
2020-10-20 19:24
4 replies
+1 people say he has a big ego because he didn't step down from igl, truth is no one else wants to igl in faze. Niko doesn't get the credit he deserves.
2020-10-20 20:07
1 reply
The truth is no real igl will join faze to ruin their career. As for credits for Niko, the only credit he should get is for ruining Faze.
2020-10-21 06:53
If he believe ego his something you earn, then you don't understand what ego is. And so you can't acknowledge yours
2020-10-20 23:47
That is not how it works...
2020-10-20 23:52
+1
2020-10-20 20:55
+1!!
2020-10-20 21:31
-karrigan was a good move, +adren wasn't /closed
2020-10-20 18:08
13 replies
/open +who then?
2020-10-20 18:08
3 replies
an igl
2020-10-20 18:13
1 reply
No good igl will join faze, everyone is well aware Niko plays for stats only. When you play for yourself instead of playing for the team there is no point in having an igl.
2020-10-21 06:58
#35
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Pakistan hawrU
gla1ve
2020-10-20 19:10
he had the option to get aleksib or alex, there were no other igls he could have gotten, maybe msl. but niko said he didnt even consider aleksib lmaooo. so ofc he pick a washed major winner instead. if u gonna kick karrigan, and you dont even consider picking up a new igl then kicking karrigan is bad move.
2020-10-20 18:10
8 replies
Yes i agree with you, but my comment wasn't counting on external factors like not considering picking up an igl
2020-10-20 18:13
2 replies
Well if you plan to kick someone, you should have some candidates in my to replace him. And they picked fucking adren and neo lol. Didnt want to consider aleksib or alex. Its ridiculous.
2020-10-20 18:14
1 reply
Actually Alex was considered
2020-10-20 19:50
he asked fucking ALLU about aleksi and obviously allu told him not to sign aleksi but its fine because now OG exists which is just a better faze
2020-10-20 19:12
3 replies
Yes but why the fuck would he listen to allu.
2020-10-20 19:33
1 reply
because niko brain go bRRRRR
2020-10-20 19:34
Last time faze won 3-0 against OG tho, but I can say that trusting allu was bs. Aleksib is a great Igl.
2020-10-20 19:51
When they kicked karrigan aleksib and alex were on silver rank. You're mixing timelines to follow your narrative. When they kicked karrigan, niko was already calling alternating with karrigan and they've got much better results under Niko than under Karrigan by that time. I'm totally agree that a proven IGL was the right thing to do, but there was none by that time, that's why they picked adren and NEO who was an IGL and they did it terrible with him.
2020-10-20 20:46
niko is like a rich kid that his parents give everything for him, so he thinks he is better than everyone kicking the igl was the ultimate retard move that killed choke clan, guardian is a solid star awper that did a lot in CS, niko never did anything expressive outside individual rating, he choked on too many key matches to be a legend, also he complains, he cries, he rages, bad influence for young guys, and he is a weird nerd, that video at a night party proves my point. niko overated guardian LEGEND #overated #znajder_1_major_ChoKo_0_major #thecryisfree #karrigandidnothingwrong #FREERAIN #guardianLEGEND #chokoCHOKER
2020-10-20 18:08
5 replies
Funny that a Brazilian says this, fair enough.
2020-10-20 19:52
4 replies
I dont understand your point lol why is that funny...
2020-10-20 21:14
3 replies
"also he complains, he cries, he rages, bad influence for young guys, and he is a weird nerd, that video at a night party proves my point.". Br have been the scene that cried the most in csgo.
2020-10-20 23:43
2 replies
we have 2 years of domination tho, 2 majors, top1 player 2 years in a row, choke clan cried and biggest choke ever in a major final so nt choko is a joke lmao
2020-10-21 03:50
1 reply
?? "Br have been the scene that cried the most in csgo" your response: "Br scene won 2 majors". Your IQ to actually respond accurately seems pretty low if you cant respond to what you are supposed to answer.
2020-10-21 15:38
he would change his view about karrigan 100% if faze would've won the boston major lmao
2020-10-20 18:09
17 replies
and the best part about that loss is that it was NiKo who was bottomfragging in the final, not karrigan. Actually karrigan and GuardiaN had the two most important rounds to keep FaZe in the match on inferno in OT.
2020-10-20 18:31
4 replies
GuardiaN carried FaZe on the whole major, not only on the finals.
2020-10-20 18:36
1 reply
how is that related to my post?
2020-10-20 18:44
Karrigan bottom fragged and made a stupid call in an important moment. Niko's only bad map was overpass.
2020-10-20 20:12
hltv.org/matches/2318632/faze-vs-cloud9-.. niko underperformed greatly but played fine on the 3rd map karrigan bottom fragged not niko, also his calls on t side inferno were stupid
2020-10-21 03:55
#22
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Asia Tachi22
They would have won it had NIKO not choked. Pointless to think about possibilities
2020-10-20 18:31
10 replies
NiKo didn't choke a 15-11 lead and called a rotate from top mid all the way to b with zeto info with 20 secs left.
2020-10-20 19:22
8 replies
#51
JW | 
Asia Tachi22
NIKO choked the entire game, so ofc he choked the 15-11 lead. The blame is on the entire team. Karrigan for shit strats. And NIKO and rain for MIA in a crucial effing map. All it'd have taken is one round of multi kills from any of them in that 15-11 lead.
2020-10-20 19:43
7 replies
niko choked game ? best player on inferno hltv.org/matches/2318632/faze-vs-cloud9-..
2020-10-20 20:02
1 reply
#72
JW | 
Asia Tachi22
It's not the stats that counts. The impact. He had zero. Other than that one smoke play in banana. He was missing.
2020-10-20 20:22
Only map he choked was overpass xD
2020-10-20 20:11
Shit strats dont make it to the major finals -1 dumbest comment ever
2020-10-20 20:24
3 replies
#74
JW | 
Asia Tachi22
In case you don't know to read, I was talking about the strats he pulled in 15-11 lead.
2020-10-20 20:24
2 replies
In case you dont know how to spell you wrote "Karrigan for shit strats" he evaluated the situation wrong but it was on NiKo he is the star player young gun yet he was at the bottom of the scoreboard up until Inferno. Where he just barely had a equal score/kd-ratio
2020-10-20 20:26
1 reply
#128
JW | 
Asia Tachi22
Yes, i wrote karrigan for shit strats after 15-11 up . If you watch his interviews regarding Boston major. He admits he could have done better. Had they done an eco despite the 15-11 lead, they'd have had better economy for full buy rounds. But they didn't feel like doing it just after winning a round. It was in Karrigan's hands to decide. As for NIKO, i have told it myself in the previous comment , he hardly had any impact despite being a star player along with rain.
2020-10-21 04:46
0/8
2020-10-20 20:29
Boston major, the famous major of "Its Guardian v X". Can't remember how many times it happened lol.
2020-10-20 19:22
#9
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Europe darthcastor
Niko is right, Karrigan is so overrated as player and igl. Unfortunately Niko is a bad igl too and but he is a great player, he is wasting his talent with this role.
2020-10-20 18:09
9 replies
-10000000000
2020-10-20 18:15
0/8 expected from Astralis fan
2020-10-20 18:56
2 replies
Don't categorize fans lol...Astralis fans don't think karrigan is overrated, this idiot is an exception
2020-10-21 03:08
1 reply
Ok, sorry for misjudgment bro, have a nice day
2020-10-21 11:57
Guardian is right Karrigan is the smartest player and was hardly underrated in the team. Even Rain said the same about Karrigan.
2020-10-20 19:55
3 replies
He was. But not at the end of his career in faze. Even karrigan admitted that he was sucking in the end of faze's career, like, wtf.
2020-10-20 20:10
2 replies
Guardian and rain disagree.
2020-10-21 02:53
1 reply
Then again, even if guardian and rain disagree. Karrigan himself accepted that he at the end of his career in faze wasnt at his best mate.
2020-10-21 15:36
I really believe that Karrigan is overrated. Look at mouz when they got top 1, woxic frozen and ropz were just clicking, even ChrisJ was hitting shots. I've watched some open qualifiers when mouz (with woxic) was newly formed and man Karrigan was like walking through smokes/ pop flashing smokes and sort of those plays. When they're desperate they're just like that. I'd say even GOLDEN >>>>> karrigan right now.
2020-10-20 19:56
GuardiaN just rekt s1mple in this video ranking NiKo above him as a better individually skilled player and better aimer too ahahha I cant say this is wrong because NiKo is a better player than s1mple
2020-10-20 18:25
1 reply
I think he said that because he played with simple and maybe knows why simple has such a good rating. Also he didnt really diss him, he was being honest.
2020-10-20 19:08
Damn, just look at Ladik's face when he's talking about karrigan..... P.S. Only i noticed that everyone is telling only good stuff about rain? Seems like he's a very nice and chill person in real life.
2020-10-20 18:30
2 replies
+1
2020-10-20 18:27
#39
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1
2020-10-20 19:18
guys ... look at niko in this video ... ist he on drugs? (serious question) bro ... he looks like using mdma or cocaine or something like that !?!?!
2020-10-20 18:29
5 replies
Hahahaha, probably, who knows)
2020-10-20 18:36
#38
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Slovakia Daev0n
He always looks like that in the videos. Probably always on drugs
2020-10-20 19:18
3 replies
view the video one more time and only look on his jaw bro it goes left and right and left and right and left and .... like a true amphetamine junky
2020-10-20 19:20
2 replies
#42
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Slovakia Daev0n
I know I noticed it before in some other video. Could have been filmed in the same day. Do the pros take drug tests before a tournament?
2020-10-20 19:21
1 reply
you are right ... on the channel is another video (released a few days before) in the same setting ... there you can see it too sure pros have to do drug tests on lan events since the cloud 9 adderall scandal ... online idk
2020-10-20 19:34
#26
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Poland kruky
- niko + Karrigan
2020-10-20 18:36
notice guardians face when he was talking about karrigan, he still must have bad dreams about boston major
2020-10-20 18:44
6 replies
Looks like he understands that he wronged him and feels sorry about it.
2020-10-20 19:08
5 replies
#40
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Slovakia Daev0n
Unlike NiKo who looks like a dog chewing on a dog toy when he's talking about anything.
2020-10-20 19:20
4 replies
Don't let your hate towards Niko shine so much xD
2020-10-20 20:05
3 replies
#94
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Slovakia Daev0n
Tell me he doesn't. I like his skill, not his personality. If you do, you're a trashy human being.
2020-10-20 21:29
2 replies
I'm not trashy, but his attitude isn't the worst I've met. The guy is very egocentric yes, but he isnt, let's say... A s1mple, whose attitude is way worse.
2020-10-20 23:47
1 reply
Ahahaha
2020-10-21 07:37
he called karrigan overrated during the last period of him being in faze.
2020-10-20 19:35
Niko says in the same vidoes IGL dont get the credit they deserve and call karrigan then overrated and call himself underrated. This guy is actually insane.
2020-10-20 19:45
18 replies
If u listen close, he says at the end of the career, not that he was an overated player, just at the end of his career with Faze.
2020-10-20 20:04
12 replies
At the end of his career with FaZe, Karrigan was still micromanaging and co-ordinating areas of the map while NiKo made the main call! Karrigan was actually underrated at the end of his career with FaZe. NiKo also goes on to say that he's underrated at the moment. Additionally saying that if they win 12 T rounds then lose the CT side, it's essentially not his fault as an IGL. He's the most overrated and deluded sack of shit in the entire scene.
2020-10-20 20:20
11 replies
Karrigan was IGLing in Boston, Niko only igled once and actually won the tournament with his IGLing. Karrigan was deadweight at the end of his career in Faze which means he was overrated because everyone said he was the best IGL ever (I'm karrigan fan also). And Niko is underrated because he is the one taking hard roles and being IGL because no one in the team wants to be IGL or agree to get one while Niko tried to get Alex.
2020-10-20 20:23
6 replies
Let me break down why you're retarded. After being removed from the IGL role, Karrigan was still co-ordinating takes and doing more work than NiKo will ever give him credit for. I'll give you an example: NiKo as an IGL usually lurked on B mirage for his T side. If he wanted mid control, Karrigan would be the one micromanaging players to take mid and controlling how they took mid. Karrigan would be doing a lot of the work while NiKo made the finishing call. NiKo isn't underrated because he's wasted 2 years of all his teammates time by throwing pretending he can IGL. And don't come at me with New York, an online tournament and the first time FaZe show good form for 2 fucking years. Go and listen to Guardian's video with Rivalry and how he talks about Karrigan. Rain has also come forward saying he regrets kicking Karrigan. FaZe are only in the shitter because of NiKo, so don't call him underrated. When he can finally overcome this retarded phase and realise he isn't an IGL, then he can move forward like Shox and become a force to be reckoned with again. TLDR - You should seek medical attention.
2020-10-20 20:31
5 replies
Can u chill out? I didn't say a thing, I just said Niko is underrated bcs he is the one taking the IGL Role and doing a lot for the team. Never said it was a good decision, but he is underrated because thx to IGL he isn't fragging and his strats are trash. Then again, you showing why karrigan at the end of his career in faze he was overrated, everyone is claiming he was a godlike player and etc. But even karrigan himself accepted that he did play bad his last moments with faze. Not coming from my mouth but from karrigan AMA he did a lot of time ago on instagram.
2020-10-20 20:51
1 reply
Do you not understand that Karrigan was still managing the team after being removed from the IGL role? Yes, he was individually bad, but he was still doing most of the work of an IGL without any of the credit. NiKo would only be underrated if FaZe were any good. FaZe is shit. NiKo is playing shit. NiKo is calling shit. How can he be underrated if he's shit and dragging the team down with him?
2020-10-20 20:54
Was you on the TS to know who was calling in mid rounds? They've got NEO during this 2 years period and they did worst major ever. Btw, everybody on the team agreed on kicking karrigan, even him said he lost the confidence on calling because every strat was failing and he needed something new. Even all the HLTV experts were creating posts everyday about -karrigan and how he was bot.
2020-10-20 21:10
2 replies
Karrigan has literally come out in interviews over the last few months explaining that he was still co-ordinating this shit in FaZe after being removed from the IGL role. HLTV confirmed I think, but not entirely sure. NiKo is the one pulling the strings in FaZe, he decides what players he wants then the org will tell him yes or no, there's no proper team management in FaZe. Watch the Guardian video with Rivalry, while everyone agreed to kick Karrigan, the team failed him, especially as teammates. HLTV experts, now that is a joke. Karrigan has taken every team he's led into the top 4.
2020-10-20 22:10
youtu.be/F_1aVwXmRXU?t=8131 Here's the source retard.
2020-10-20 22:09
#95
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Slovakia Daev0n
+1 Honourable mention: Fallen
2020-10-20 21:30
3 replies
Almost forgot about FalleN lmao Just goes to show how he'll be remembered.
2020-10-20 22:02
2 replies
#107
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Slovakia Daev0n
Fallen used to be a really nice guy and a very good igl, until the fame got to him. He keeps living in his past which was/is his downfall.
2020-10-20 22:14
1 reply
For sure
2020-10-20 22:26
karrigan good igl,but overrated his calls in Katowice and Boston on last map ruin game
2020-10-20 20:06
4 replies
People aren't listening well imo. Like I said in #61, Niko said that at the end of his career in faze he was overrated because of his calls.
2020-10-20 20:08
He made teams successful since 2015 but he has two bad moments and he is overrated? I'd say the opposite,he is underrated because everyone only seems to talk about the choke at the major and with TSM but nobody ever seems to mention when they were shitting on teams in the TSM and Faze era
2020-10-20 20:52
2 replies
Karrigan has taken every team he's led into the top 4. Don't bother listening to FaZe fanboys, they're almost as deluded as NiKo.
2020-10-20 20:57
1 reply
To be accurate,he made every team he led top2 and even top1 if you count ESL ranking,mouz were #1 for a short time in that. It is just sad to see that easily one of the best igls of all time gets almost no credit
2020-10-20 21:07
Dude, what the actual hell u talking about? "Niko calling Karrigan the most overrated player he's played with". Niko literally said that in the end of the career he was overrated, not that he was the most overrated he played with, put your shait together son lol.
2020-10-20 20:03
NiKo's ego is actually so huge it's unreal, he'd be much more successful if he acted like a professional
2020-10-20 20:24
#87
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Chile esanchez47
Those are opinions, and that's all. Nothing wrong there from neither side.
2020-10-20 20:57
well look at mouz now how is karrigan able to hold whole group together... not so much, its not only his fault (coach ban, bad performances, corona and woxic being unable to come to bootcamp...) but still if he is so great to grow talent and perfect IGL and captain he should be able then overcome this circumstances, but nope, he is not. I agree with Guardian that they should help him but he need help even now and it will be interesting how mouz will handle this
2020-10-20 21:16
2 replies
wut he literally remade almost whole mousesports roster and they won like 3 big events in row if i recall correctly. I think its more about corona, woxic playing from turkey, no lans and now theyre obviously rebuilding with Bymas so the bad performances are kinda expected
2020-10-20 21:48
Mouz without karrigan would play now with Oskar and sunny so stfu
2020-10-21 02:56
GuardiaN and rain have always regretted that kick publicly, hell they were saying it back when AdreN and neo were still in the lineup
2020-10-20 21:33
5 replies
yeah i think it all came down to that Boston major choke and public pressure.. Like they were not winning everything, but they were constantly still getting semis, finals and winning some events...
2020-10-20 21:49
4 replies
I remember some interviews where they were saying "oh the Boston one was bad enough but in Katowice we were definitely expecting to win" and apparently during that 2v1 with olof and guardiaN vs flusha to win the bo5 the team was arguing so much that it made it hard to win the clutch
2020-10-20 21:55
3 replies
ohh the legendary Flusha flank, one of the best moments, hard to forget :D
2020-10-20 22:09
2 replies
I'm referring to flusha's second ace on train to push OT when faze was on match point but yeah that flank was sick
2020-10-20 23:47
1 reply
yeah i meant the same one, he sneaked on B behind guardian and killed them all
2020-10-21 15:38
#104
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Canada sad_face
Niko was always arrogant, just check his streams
2020-10-20 22:05
5 replies
Why would I want to lower my IQ by 20 by going to his streams
2020-10-20 23:53
4 replies
well you already do anime :/
2020-10-21 03:15
3 replies
Exactly! My IQ has been steadily increasing because of that and I dont want to lower it by going to NiKo streams
2020-10-21 03:46
2 replies
try Shakespeare or Rabelais - you might become a nobel prize winner !!!1!!1!1!!
2020-10-21 03:48
1 reply
shakespeare's ghostwriter u mean
2020-10-21 03:55
#120
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Malaysia Suno[t]
either you believe niko or you dont but as always hltv user always want to h8 on my man niko :(
2020-10-21 03:22
2 replies
=( NiKo always comes off as arrogant and a prick who ruins peoples careers and blames others even when it is his fault. Think about Thorin, he is really smart and is one of the most influential people in the esports scene, and yet so many people hate him, why is that? Well he comes off a prick and arrogant.
2020-10-21 03:48
1 reply
+1, both of them lack social awareness
2020-10-21 03:55
just w8 till he joins g2 everything will be proved when g2 becomes utterly shit after his joining
2020-10-21 07:15
As much as I'm a NiKo fan, I comply with Guardian's (and rain's) statement that kicking karrigan was mistake. Also NiKo simply can't place all the blame on karrigan when he himself didn't perform well in that series. I mean, his performance wasn't bad by any means, but considering he was FaZe's flagship player back then, him not showing up in such crucial hours, and Guardian having to do all the heavy-lifting was quite appropriate. A bulk of NiKo's 1.25 rating came off his performance at Overpass, a map FaZe lost 16-10.
2020-10-21 07:23
I think olofmeister was with NiKo in decision to kick karrigan Rain always listen,so he joined NiKo,but now he admits a mistake
2020-10-21 15:38
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