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Gen.G
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Poland SebL 
Gen.G is reportedly in talks with 100 Thieves about the transfer of Liazz. Liazz has been a part of Renegades/100 Thieves since almost 2 years, joining RNG in late 2018. The 100 Thieves roster won't stick together, as jkaem officialy left to join Apeks. Gen.G entered CS:GO late last year, and have already made 2 changes in their roster. If the move happens, Gen.G will be : BnTeT autimatic koosta Liazz First of all I don't think Liazz is a good pickup for Gen.G, for me he just plays bad and isn't a good choice for Gen.G. I would also remove autimatic, because he has been playing really bad lately, and I would build a new team around the duo od BnTeT and koosta. Honestly I would love to see them taking 3 players out from NEW, their leader ben1337, their AWPer PwnAlone, and their rifler Bwills, and see how those young talented players work with BnTeT and koosta. Honestly that would be a risk for sure, but I think it's better than to take medicore players that has already had time to prove themself. Give those guys a chance. My roster would be : BnTeT ben1337 koosta PwnAlone Bwills I know this lineup will be very controversial, but still I would like to hear your opinions about the transfer of Liazz, the whole roster overall and what changes would you make/what players would you take. Write bellow.
2020-10-22 08:32
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2020-10-22 08:33
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#5
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Poland SebL
This sounds like Audi RS5, right?
2020-10-22 08:37
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#56
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Netherlands RiberiA
It sounds like, no-one cars.
2020-10-23 14:46
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#59
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Poland SebL
60 replies almost, actually it's not bad.
2020-10-23 15:07
XAXAXAXAXAXAXAXA
2020-10-24 16:51
Guess who just copied half of the official HLTV news post and posted it on the forum
2020-10-22 08:37
7 replies
#4
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Sweden quacke
+1
2020-10-22 08:37
#7
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Poland SebL
I made shorter version because most of the ppl don't read the whole HLTV news so that's like TLDR version.
2020-10-22 08:38
4 replies
It seems like you didn't read my comment did you? I clearly said "half of the official HLTV news post" because that's basically what it it. Never stated that it is the whole news post.
2020-10-22 08:42
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#14
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Poland SebL
And what's wrong about it? I think nothing.
2020-10-22 15:46
2 replies
Can you tell me where I said that there is something wrong about it?
2020-10-22 16:38
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#26
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Poland SebL
So wth do you want?
2020-10-22 19:56
#69
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Denmark Xipingu
These forums in a nutshell, really.
2020-10-23 19:17
#3
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Finland ManLikeRopz
Okey this has to be bait now. If not, I think Liazz is good enough and if they don't need IGL then they could take oBo, wrath or oSee as 5th.
2020-10-22 08:36
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#8
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Poland SebL
They defienietly need an IGL.
2020-10-22 08:38
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#10
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Sweden quacke
#6. koosta already confirmed to be IGL.
2020-10-22 08:44
7 replies
#15
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Poland SebL
Oh jesus, that's really not an good idea for me, he is a star player not an IGL.
2020-10-22 15:46
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#20
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Sweden quacke
He was actually calling when they were playing with cxzi, and they beat some pretty good teams, like 100T. It's gonna work out pretty well, I'd imagine. BnTeT also said that koosta was doing 2nd calls even when daps was on the team, so he's definitely up for it. Even if he wants to stop calling at some point in the future, BnTeT and autimatic can both IGL well enough to take over.
2020-10-22 16:34
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#21
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Poland SebL
2nd calling is not the same as being an IGL. And BnTeT shouldn't comeback to IGLing, it would be interesting to see autimatic in that role tho.
2020-10-22 16:37
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#24
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Sweden quacke
2nd calling is the pre-stage to becoming an IGL. Most IGLs spent some time as a 2nd caller before they transitioned into being a full IGL. Why shouldn't BnTeT go back to that role? And also, the debate is pretty pointless, koosta is already decided and the players on the team have faith in him as an IGL. He's done it before.
2020-10-22 16:42
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#27
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Poland SebL
Because he ended with that role and he is doing ok now. And for koosta it's never worked before, so I don't think this is a good idea.
2020-10-22 19:57
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#29
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Sweden quacke
How hasn't it worked before?
2020-10-22 19:59
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#32
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Poland SebL
Their game style has been clearly based on individuals after daps left, and long term it never works.
2020-10-22 20:06
BnTeT or koosta not good enough?
2020-10-22 08:46
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#16
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Poland SebL
Yes.
2020-10-22 15:46
#6
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Sweden quacke
PwnAlone is 29 years old. Any team building for the future would not want to pick him up. Also: -Liazz is basically confirmed, BnTeT said on FP QnA yesterday that they were doing the first day of prac with the new team, so the squad was confirmed. The report coming in on the same day basically confirms the Liazz deal to be true. -He also confirmed koosta will be IGL:ing. So they are not getting ben1337 (they wouldn't get him anyways when AZR and JT are both availible, among others), AZR, JT or any other IGL for that matter. -Someone said that autimatic wants to keep playing AWP, according to his own stream. That's the main issue in Gen.G, because his AWPing is pretty bad but he refuses to give it up. If he's changed his mind, they could sign oSee, Gratisfaction, Kaze or Junior. -Most likely, they'll sign oBo, wrath, czxi (we still need to consider him), Sonic, Infinite, or even one of the Chaos players.
2020-10-22 08:44
15 replies
He’s only been playing for like 2 years tho, unless he has a kid or sumn he’s technically a young talent
2020-10-22 15:47
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#23
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Sweden quacke
If he was on EG or Liquid, you could compare him to JaCkz, but considering that he's not in one of the top teams you can't really make the comparison. Again, it's not about youth, it's about building for the future. Generally speaking players drop off when they get older, there are families and responsibilities, as you say, kids for example. Obviously it's not 100%, maybe PwnAlone can keep kicking it in full performance until he's 50+. But it's not a guarantee. Signing a younger player guarantees some future-proofing for the team. They know that he's most likely not going to fall off or have to leave due to other circumstances. Signing a, say, 20 year old player gives you a lot of time to develop him and as long as you can keep him on the team he's not going anywhere.
2020-10-22 16:41
2 replies
True, that’s sorta why I hope he gets picked up before he eventually has to retire
2020-10-22 20:16
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#39
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Sweden quacke
I doubt he'll go anywhere other than NEW, and they'd be really happy to keep him. His best bet is probably trying to do a Chaos-move and develop the team.
2020-10-22 20:19
#18
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Poland SebL
Anyway I don't think it's a good decision from Gen.G to take Liazz. And not taking IGL is a mistake imo., if not ben1337 then AZR would be even better, but they prefer to make their star player IGL, weird for me. Replacing autimatic with Kaze would be lovely. And oBo would be ok to have.
2020-10-22 15:51
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#25
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Sweden quacke
Liazz was one of the hottest prospects coming out of Australia before 100T put him in shit roles. He can really work as a star player. Also, koosta was never intended to be their star player, he just happened to be the best performer in his role compared to the others. Gen.G will not be replacing any of their existing players, they have added two new ones in addition to the three they already have. Kaze, or any other AWPer for that matter, will only be added if autimatic decided to give up the AWP, and according to what I've heard recently, autimatic wants to keep playing AWP.
2020-10-22 16:44
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#28
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Poland SebL
koosta wasn't supposed to be the star player, because it's not like you choose who will be the star, you put players in the best posions, and koosta didn't have it and still he became the best player from the roster. And if autimatic won't start playing better he will be changed most likely.
2020-10-22 19:59
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#31
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Sweden quacke
You do choose who is the star player. It is literally the role of, say, XANTARES. A way to describe his role is "star rifler". Most teams have a "star AWPer". koosta is good as fuck and there's nothing saying he will get worse just because he is calling. He managed to be the best player on the team even though he was second calling. So he'll still be good. I wouldn't say it's the most likely outcome, Gen.G do not want to lose any more players.
2020-10-22 20:02
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#34
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Poland SebL
You don't choose who will be the star player, you can put player in star players position, but it doesn't mean that he will be the star player. And secondary calling and being an IGL is huge difference. And Gen.G should make more changes if they want to recover from this.
2020-10-22 20:08
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#35
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Sweden quacke
We're talking about two different things. Yes, you can place them in star positions. That's what I'm talking about. But koosta being a top performer does not make him the star player. He's good, but not THE star. Yes, there is a huge difference between then, but both are craving. I'm saying if the change wasn't even noticeable when he was 2nd calling, then the change won't be massive when he is IGL:ing. Why are you calling for roster changes before we've even seen the new one? Have some patience. Being hot on the ball does not make you a genius.
2020-10-22 20:11
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#36
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Poland SebL
Ok, then we agree but we missunderstood basically. And I think you don't realise that being IGL isn't only mid round calling. And in this world of CS it's better to make changes to quick than to late, you can't lose trophies because maybe this player in new roster will play better. And losing opportunities to win just because you give player a 3rd or 4th chance doesn't make you a genius.
2020-10-22 20:15
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#38
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Sweden quacke
I understand perfectly what the IGL role entails. But there are plenty of examples of IGLs that can perform well despite being calling. blameF, arT, nexa, Boombl4 during Katowice, gla1ve, cadiaN, apEX, tabseN, NiKo, AZR (in 100T), chopper, Jerry, Jame etc. So why couldn't koosta?
2020-10-22 20:18
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#40
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Poland SebL
And naming those players that can frag well while IGLing doesn't mean that koosta will be a good leader lol. And koosta honestly I don't feel like he will be a good leader, he has some experience, but he is still young, he is player that has been seen raging etc., and just overall I feel like he is not a good material to become a leader.
2020-10-22 20:21
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#41
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Sweden quacke
No, it doesn't mean anything, but the fact that the org and team are putting that faith in him when they could essentially get any IGL they wanted really speaks volumes more than you ever could. Wait and see so you don't have to be proven wrong.
2020-10-22 20:22
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#43
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Poland SebL
Ofc. I will wait and see, because what else can I do, but I'm just not positive about making him IGL.
2020-10-22 20:29
#12
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Australia Cheesle2
Liazz was put in the shittiest roles on 100T and still performed pretty well. They were also different roles from him past teams where he played more like jks.
2020-10-22 08:48
3 replies
+1
2020-10-22 08:52
#19
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Poland SebL
He will have also have shit spots in Gen.G most likely.
2020-10-22 15:51
1 reply
Doubt it if they want to be a top 10 team bntet will entry followed by obo and liaz is third with koosta support/ lurk and auti awping
2020-10-24 18:12
#30
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Serbia TheSerb
True but liazz proven that he can play t1 t2 cs they should pickup osee or motm from ex c9 they are much bettet than the players you m3ntioned
2020-10-22 19:59
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#44
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Poland SebL
LIazz proven that he isn't able to play well at higher level, and those players aren't better than the players I mentioned.
2020-10-22 20:30
6 replies
#48
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Serbia TheSerb
Yes they are otherwise they wouldnt play on new england weelers
2020-10-22 22:22
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#52
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Poland SebL
Every young player has at some point played in a team like NEW for example, and so they weren't good? wtf is your logic.
2020-10-23 14:43
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#61
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Serbia TheSerb
Reported for toxicity
2020-10-23 15:17
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#63
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Poland SebL
Toxicity? LOL
2020-10-23 15:19
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#64
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Serbia TheSerb
Reported again bb
2020-10-23 15:32
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#65
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Poland SebL
XD
2020-10-23 15:32
0/8, auti >>>>>>>>>>>>> pwnalone and much younger, koosta is a much better IGL than ben, and bwills isn't that good I would do something like auti/bntet/koosta/oBo and then dexter or osee
2020-10-22 20:07
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#45
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Poland SebL
Take both dexter and oSee and remove autimatic, and this roster looks great.
2020-10-22 20:31
1 reply
0/8
2020-10-24 15:15
kinda true
2020-10-22 20:22
1 reply
#53
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Poland SebL
kinda
2020-10-23 14:43
This is a great move
2020-10-22 20:31
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#54
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Poland SebL
+Liazz? I don't think so.
2020-10-23 14:44
2 replies
I dont know i didnt read, i was farming comments so i could open thread.
2020-10-23 14:48
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#60
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Poland SebL
Ehh ok I guess.
2020-10-23 15:07
#47
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United Kingdom Ad4mmm_
ben1337 kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk
2020-10-22 20:33
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#55
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Poland SebL
I know he isn't fragging well, but he is a good IGL.
2020-10-23 14:44
0/8
2020-10-22 22:24
1 reply
#66
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Poland SebL
It's not a bait.
2020-10-23 19:11
#50
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Europe Cirros_V2
U expect too much from hltv
2020-10-22 23:06
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#67
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Poland SebL
There are some really smart ppl, I like to talk with them.
2020-10-23 19:12
i still put my trust on auti for AWP , he just played passive when he played with daps. but when he played aggressive, surely he's pretty damn good bruh... so, hopefully koosta being IGL and can make a good role for other players and let them play free as they want too excuse my english please
2020-10-23 05:33
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#68
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Poland SebL
Honestly I don't like the idea of making koosta IGL, his aggresive style when he just focuses on frags is great. And I know those problems with English bro :)
2020-10-23 19:12
2 replies
when he being IGL it was pretty good tho he also fragging too
2020-10-24 03:31
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#80
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Poland SebL
Fragging is the best part of his game, and I don't want that to be broken by becoming an IGL.
2020-10-24 12:06
liazz is very good, probs the best on the team if they get him. he was playing bad because jks has all of his roles.
2020-10-23 14:49
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#72
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Poland SebL
Liazz would be a support player on this roster aswell.
2020-10-23 23:11
#62
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Serbia bakedcs
Solid bait
2020-10-23 15:18
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#73
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Poland SebL
It's not a bait.
2020-10-23 23:11
Liaz went from star to support and still carried some events. He's a really good player and deserves a chance fragging hard again. They need to sign an awper IMO. Auti is good as a secondary awper and rifler but he just has no presence with the awp. There's a few good awpers in NA available and if they wanna branch out, try and save Kaze.
2020-10-23 19:20
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#74
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Poland SebL
They defienietly need an AWPer. Kaze would be lovely.
2020-10-23 23:12
i dont like your idea
2020-10-23 19:29
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#75
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Poland SebL
I understand it and I respect it. It's very controversial I know.
2020-10-23 23:31
Gen g is such random chinese player based team, they are so random team why cant they just disband. they are at top 30 but u never hear anything of them lmao. Also Gen G sound so stupid team name, also their logo isnt nice looking. such a random team wow... have they even achieved anything?
2020-10-23 23:36
2 replies
im not their big fan but the way you talk like you really know nothing mate lmao
2020-10-24 03:33
#81
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Poland SebL
The name or logo has nothing to do with the team. And that they didn't achieve anything yet doesn't mean that they can't do it in the future.
2020-10-24 12:09
nice b8 i hope, seriously though, ben1337, the guy that literally drops .8 ratings against top 50 teams
2020-10-23 23:42
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#82
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Poland SebL
He isn't a good fragger, but honestly I feel like he is a really good leader.
2020-10-24 12:09
#83
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Sweden Lagge15
I really enjoy your threads and like that you're doing this But I rarely agree with your conclusions and analysis. Quite often you forget role suitability, personality and skill set in your analysis. For instance: Liazz was brought into Renegades to fill a role he wasn't suited for, but still did a decent job. So imagine if GEN.G didn't pick him up for how he played in Renegades/100 Thieves, but for how he was before that. Sudden you get a good/decent rifle who is able to play multiple roles, but with the cerebral play of a support player. He will know how to play aggressively while still have as much impact as possible for his team. He know how to utilize his teammates much better than he did while being in Order.
2020-10-24 12:53
9 replies
im pretty sure he just looks at their stats, and doesnt take into consideration what roles people play.
2020-10-24 12:55
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#87
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World Beard43
Nah mate I'm pretty sure he's baiting, if not he has no idea what he's talking about.
2020-10-24 13:12
1 reply
#88
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Sweden Lagge15
It is not bait. He does this for a lot of roster changes either rumored or confirmed.
2020-10-24 14:20
#89
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Sweden Lagge15
Perhaps Or he watches the streams and just listen to the casters, and the casters only watch the matches they cst, which means it is rough to see the whole picture
2020-10-24 14:21
#91
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Poland SebL
I'm not profesional analyst and I know that I make a lot of mistakes, but for me it's fun to discuss with ppl etc., and I know that a lot of those sounds stupid for most of the ppl. And Liazz is going to be a support player in Gen.G, just like he was in 100T. I don't know, Liazz just isn't it for me.
2020-10-24 16:44
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#96
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Sweden Lagge15
Doesn't matter if you "are wrong" or make a lot of mistakes, I still like your threads 100x more than the regulare things on HLTV Forums. I doubt Liazz will be supportive player. If we talk about the roles explained by Thorin back in 2015: youtu.be/ZtOARSYZAtU I think Koosta will be IGL and Entry Autimatic will be AWPer and middle man Liazz will most likely be 2nd entry/follow-up BnTeT should be lurker, since his coms are a bit "slow" The last one should be support, unless they let BnTeT be support.
2020-10-24 16:58
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#98
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Poland SebL
Nice to hear men, I love your threads also. And honestly it's hard to predict how roles are going to look now because we don't know the 5th.
2020-10-24 17:34
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#99
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Sweden Lagge15
Should be announced soon, they started praccing/scrimming a few days ago and will be travelling to EU next week.
2020-10-24 18:03
1 reply
#101
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Poland SebL
Interesting.
2020-10-24 20:39
Actually don’t think Its a bad pick. Hes still very Young and if i remember correctly, he was on the front of the stats Page a lot when he was in order. He was just forced into a different role in rng i think
2020-10-24 13:00
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#92
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Poland SebL
It's true, but he will have same role in Gen.G that he had in 100T.
2020-10-24 16:44
2 replies
#94
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Indonesia lukerey
You can't just assume that. He certainly can be a star player. BnTeT as a player who already on the team since day 1 will take a step back and playing more support role. And liazz should be capable to be a star player. He used to be very great on order.
2020-10-24 16:48
1 reply
#97
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Poland SebL
BnTeT is playing well in his positions now, and I don't think he is going to change it. And Liazz played on ORDER 2 years ago, it doesn't mean anything that he was a star player back then.
2020-10-24 17:32
#86
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World Beard43
0/8
2020-10-24 13:09
1 reply
#93
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Poland SebL
It's not a bait.
2020-10-24 16:44
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