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Serbia eliiiiii_ 
1-10 baiting for own stats (less is better): s1mple - 7/10 zywoo - 8/10 device - 2/10 clutch reliability: s1mple - 5/10 zywoo - 8/10 device - 3/10 pistols: s1mple - 8/10 zywoo - 8/10 device - 7/10 overall teamplay and setups: s1mple - 5/10 zywoo - 3/10 device - 9/10 raw aiming skill: s1mple - 9/10 zywoo - 9/10 device - 7/10 work ethic: s1mple - 9.5/10 zywoo - 1/10 device - 10/10 being placed in the best positions (higher = better positions more often): s1mple - 9/10 zywoo - 10/10 device - 7/10 call any of these out and I'll explain my thought process behind it
2020-10-22 23:06
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2020-10-22 23:08
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Serbia eliiiiii_
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2020-10-22 23:09
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#47
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Russia INNESOR
text
2020-10-22 23:24
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txet
2020-10-22 23:40
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mathematical formulas
2020-10-23 10:11
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#220
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Turkey TheKaiser
scientific articles
2020-10-25 17:58
text and some random numbers
2020-10-23 10:15
#242
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Lithuania Tocha
if there would be an option to like comments, i would like your comment
2020-10-29 02:47
+1
2020-11-04 19:24
what do you base the work ethic on ?(I mean how would you know how they train)
2020-10-22 23:09
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#9
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Serbia eliiiiii_
zywoo openly said that he doesn't practice or warm up before team practice sessions, and everyone else does that (which doesn't mean he's bad obviously but it's generally bad work ethic) device puts in a lot of time individually (at least what he says) plus astralis' team sessions are around 8 hours long (they said this during the jugi era); obviously gla1ve does the most work there but everyone on that team would get 9/10 or 10/10 for work ethic just for that s1mple is delusional with how much time he spends in practice, however Na'Vi looks like they barely prepare for a lot of matches except finals, hence 9/10
2020-10-22 23:13
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ok thanks for answering mens)))
2020-10-22 23:14
just cuz he doesnt feel like dming is worth is time that means he's a lazy shit ? nice iq mens
2020-10-22 23:16
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#46
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Serbia eliiiiii_
no1 said he's lazy, but it's undeniable that he doesn't put in as much time as s1mple or device
2020-10-22 23:24
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#196
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Egypt w7tv
he surely carry more his team than device and s1mple
2020-10-23 18:31
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carried by sub LMAO
2020-11-04 00:08
He always tries to play a pug or something before a game as warmup just cuz it’s a dif work ethic doesn’t mean it’s a bad one or it’s not one
2020-10-29 03:35
#90
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Mexico evm
He said his routine is 10am to 6pm with two 1 hour breaks in between. That's 6 hours a day only. After team prac he doesn't even play Faceit anymore besides one or two with friends. Other pros are doing 4 hours of just individual practice not even counting team practice.
2020-10-22 23:48
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I think you'll find 10am to 6pm is 8 hours.
2020-10-23 20:42
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#207
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Mexico evm
with two 1 hour breaks. Do you know how to subtract?
2020-10-23 21:20
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shhhh people won't read all of #90 and think im right
2020-10-23 21:28
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+1
2020-11-05 03:20
so when your team forces you to play 8 hours / day you have a better work ethics then when you are in a team that forces you to play 4 hours / day? do you take into account if they keep their body and mind fresh, mental game work, body work? is it better to stream 8 hours / day games vs easy plebs than do half an hour of mental game work? (here simple is lacking as hes known to rage) is it better to stream 8 hours / day vs easy plebs than do 1 hour of body workout (kinda obvious at least one of them doesnt do any body workout) is it better to stream 8 hours / day vs easy plebs than to do research oponnents team for 1 hours (do only IGL do that?) i think your base for work ethics is somewhat off sir funny things is we probably will never find out how good device really is (think he's alot worse than what people think) as he is placed in the absolute perfect environment through his superb teammates where everyone just play their roles close to perfection and understand what they have to do, while both others have weaker team support and have to excel more on their own. (probably ukranian more than frenchie) But why would he leave in his prime(noone would) The only chance I see is if hes a slacky phase, gets forced out and comes back stronger, then we might see if he can play up to the limits zywoo and simple do.
2020-10-23 09:38
S1mple delivers always so you can't project team work on him. Same about device. He had many matches where dupreeh had to carry him.
2020-10-23 10:34
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#171
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Serbia eliiiiii_
how you work along with your teammates =!= how you do individually that's what I'm making a case for here it's .5 points anyways, the most important thing is that the idea is there
2020-10-23 17:42
ZywOo doesnt bait wtf ZywOo better pistol wtf ZywOo teamplayer 8/10 ZywOo best aim ZywOo work ethic not best but not 1/10 best positions s1mple 10/10 ZywOo 8/10 device 7/10
2020-10-22 23:11
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Zywoo is one of the most famous non-baiting players lmao, also Dev1ce positioning is crazy, i swear ive never seen him get flashed EDIT: i reread the thing and i think he meant being placed in the best positions for kills by an IGL not actual positioning
2020-10-22 23:17
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I guess he meant that they are set up or not by "positions" EDIT : nvm
2020-10-22 23:19
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yeah i didn't realize until after lol
2020-10-22 23:20
#48
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I should've added positioning honestly, that's where most of device's frags, stats and hltv placings come from
2020-10-22 23:25
2 replies
+1
2020-10-22 23:27
Yes m8 it's so easy that's why any other team in the history of this fucking game could replicate it... 0/8 device haters are unique retards and newfags who weren't around when his team was choking every semi finals yet he was still top 5 consistently as an aggressive rifler, what Device does isn't easy show me another awper who is doing what he does? I would take the b8 on something so stupid but the fact he was top 5 6 years in a row even when his team was bad and he was rifling just shows how retarded you are honestly. Anyway erase his history and look at his just now and it's obivous as fuck he isn't an onliner, I gained way more respect for him because of this. Also this argument makes no sense, in Na'vi for example s1mple can do whatever he wants, he can go and peak anywhere he wants, he can try to make a play anywhere he wants there are no strats restricting him, he has full reign always so it would like you be saying he doesn't pick the best spots in certain situation because the IGL doesn't tell him where to go... You position is only as good as you, you can put the worst player in the best positions he's still going to get shitted on consistently but these players make it look so easy.
2020-11-05 02:59
#51
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Serbia eliiiiii_
also I meant simply being set up in good positions where you are guaranteed to both get a few frags and get traded, and potentially fall back
2020-10-22 23:26
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oh yeah then ZywOo and s1mple have a good rating for that
2020-10-22 23:27
#23
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Serbia eliiiiii_
1) he does lol, obviously he backs it up but he never gets bad positions and he always gets to trade playmake rather than be the entry (which doesn't have to be bad) 2) 50/50 3) maybe not as low as I put him but not 8/10 4) 50/50 6) maybe a 3 at best
2020-10-22 23:15
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wdym "zywoo baits" he has the second highest opening kill per round % in the last 3 months only beaten by arT
2020-10-22 23:18
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#43
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Serbia eliiiiii_
opening kill doesn't have to be a full on 1v1 aim duel entry, it can be catching someone off guard because their attention was elsewhere
2020-10-22 23:22
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but shooting someone off guard isnt baiting?
2020-10-22 23:25
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#172
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Serbia eliiiiii_
it is if your teammate is the decoy
2020-10-23 17:43
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Pure hating for no reason, baiting is part of the game firstly but secondly he doesn't bait nearly as much as anyone close to his skill level in tier 1, he doesn't save as much, he doesn't get as many exit kills, he isn't consistently the last alive etc. it's so obvious you are a hater bro just watch the game and don't give your opinion it's embarrassing.
2020-11-05 03:04
lmao, so why kids said that s1mple was baiter in 2018 if he had highest open kills %? and even now he is in top 3 "opening kills"
2020-10-23 00:18
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No one said he was baiter lmao, even Device fans accepted he was top 1 but s1mple toxic chernobyl gang insisted on talking toxic shit for no reason.
2020-11-05 03:06
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no one? lmao are you new here?
2020-11-05 13:08
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PPL never said he was better mechanically they just felt in 2018 he achieved more, he had more MVPs, more EVPs, more titles, more majors, highest rated CT player of 2018 on LAN 1.28 rating etc etc like Device easy top 1 in any other year of competitive CS other than 2018. I'm not new here... you just remember it the way you want to I guess and yes even though I like s1mple over dev1ce imo it could of went either way in 2018 seeing how dev1ce achieved a lot more in 2018 as well as having some of the best stats. So no you must be the one who is new here and remember shit the way you want to.
2020-11-06 00:01
u forgot the Overall individual skill: S1mple 10/10 zywoo 10/10 device 4/10
2020-10-22 23:18
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zywoo better
2020-10-22 23:20
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ofc...zywooo is better for all of his fanboys.. thats normal
2020-10-22 23:20
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not a zywoo fan, but he is better.
2020-10-22 23:22
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not a zywoo fan, but zywoo 0 wins..
2020-10-22 23:26
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Zywoo 0 major, s1mple 0 major, device 4 major
2020-10-22 23:37
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werent even talking about majors u fake flagging retard
2020-10-22 23:37
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Fakeflagging.. LMAO seems you're 0 IQ if u thinks so
2020-10-22 23:39
probably a bait but i see what you mean, Dev1ce isnt the most insane aim player he's just really consistent and never gets flashed
2020-10-22 23:20
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plays passive with awp ( its their gameplay , i dont have anything against it as long as it works), he is in best positions in astralis. Zywoo ,s1mple are best clutchers for their team while device isnt even close to being the best clutcher in his team. Device has glaive and zonic, best igl and coach on the scene while s1mple has boombla and blade, both overrated bots...IF zywoo and s1mple werent so individually good there teams wouldnt even be in top 15...
2020-10-22 23:25
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#57
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Serbia eliiiiii_
passive awp =!= easy/easier than aggro find me an instance where device gets flashed and killed because he's flashed, it never happens hence why if I added "positioning" as a category he'd be 11/10 (not discrediting s1mple or zywoo btw, their teams depend on them a lot)
2020-10-22 23:27
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his positioning is done by glaive and zonic...unless device is in 1vX then he thinks for himself. U think that its all device carrying astralis lmaoo. The fact that they have best igl and best coach on the scene who dont need some sick individual performer like s1mple,zywoo,niko,electronic, elige ,ropz etc. to win the games is insane. Just shows how their strats and teamwork is so good...
2020-10-22 23:37
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stop being such a cunt. even when device had a shitty irrelevant coach and the team was shit, he was this good and hardcarried them. hes definitely on a higher level than elige, elec and ropz
2020-10-22 23:38
#174
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Serbia eliiiiii_
his positioning isn't done by anyone, only him astralis players have enough skill, merit and experience together to be able to play mid rounds almost on their own, as illustrated by their team comms this isn't the OG gambit or something where zeus had to orchestrate the entire round and game on his own to compensate for the overall low skill level on his team
2020-10-23 17:45
on t side device actually plays a hard entry role, he has the best t side opening kill stats of all time in the top 20. he’s definitely not as individually gifted as s1mple and zywoo but he is definitely smarter than both of them when it comes to his positioning hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?rank..
2020-10-23 00:56
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#175
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Serbia eliiiiii_
exactly
2020-10-23 17:45
+1
2020-10-23 18:49
You forget that Navi was a top team prior to s1mple joining. While they did peak with s1mple, they were always in top10 ;)
2020-10-23 20:48
perfecto best clutcher on navi shox best clutcher on vitality atleast in 2020 for perfecto with shox it's "all time", idk about 2020 I don't watch them that much
2020-10-25 18:10
hahahahaha
2020-10-22 23:37
flag, flair, name. checks out
2020-10-25 18:08
#260
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Australia bobolati
crazy french man -1
2020-11-03 23:54
lmfao imagine thinking zywoo doesnt bait and that he has better aim than s1mple xD
2020-11-04 19:07
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Canada J47
work ethic: zywoo 1/10 LUL .... but probably accurate
2020-10-22 23:11
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#10
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Serbia eliiiiii_
2020-10-22 23:13
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#19
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Canada J47
to his credibility ZywOo doesn't need it, on the other hand, APEX THO
2020-10-22 23:14
I mean we talkin' bout practise? we ain't talkin bout the game, but about practise?
2020-10-22 23:15
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#41
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Serbia eliiiiii_
we're talking about how much they work with their teams + how much they work on themselves as individual players
2020-10-22 23:22
I don't buy it. There's no way someone as skilled as Zywoo doesn't practice like crazy
2020-10-23 09:24
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#176
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I'm trusting what zywoo says about zywoo more than what a random hltv user says about zywoo
2020-10-23 17:46
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United States poL_aris
in my opinion, s1mple baits the most and device baits the least. I think device is the worst clutch player here though.
2020-10-22 23:12
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#17
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Serbia eliiiiii_
exactly what I said
2020-10-22 23:14
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U said, that zywoo baits more than simple... If simple is 8/10 baiter, then zywoo is 4/10, device - 2/10.
2020-10-22 23:42
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+1 Edit: Have a good day!
2020-10-23 00:28
+1
2020-10-23 09:19
+1
2020-10-25 17:32
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#15
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Serbia eliiiiii_
sexy
2020-10-22 23:13
#8
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African Union smart_polak
Nothing is accurate lol
2020-10-22 23:13
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#11
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Serbia eliiiiii_
go one by one
2020-10-22 23:13
3/10 clutch reliability? wtf. and aim more like 8/10
2020-10-22 23:15
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#25
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Serbia eliiiiii_
doesn't show it that often despite me being a supporter (not really fan) of astralis because I love the tactical style more than the random run and frag from g2 and co.
2020-10-22 23:16
I’d say S1mple has slightly more work ethic than device and he gets the best positions by far but yeah
2020-10-22 23:14
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#27
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Serbia eliiiiii_
s1mple and device both play and practice individually a lot, but one also puts a lot of time with the team and one doesn't it might just be that na'vi's general teamplay is as bad as their comms but who knows
2020-10-22 23:17
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The entire team plays around S1mple and he literally uses them as human flashes a lot At least zywoo has to throw a couple nades occasionally
2020-10-22 23:23
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#60
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I've always felt like na'vi has a better team of individuals but they never get to frag out (except electronic), but vitality has a better team of historically smart and average by fragging players that aren't played correctly
2020-10-22 23:29
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Flamie used to be insane 2 years ago but he got a lot of space taken away from him to make way for s1mple
2020-10-22 23:35
#64
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United Kingdom alcazar4
part of going in last is throwing the flashes, watch a demo pls
2020-10-22 23:30
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I used to watch his demos and he threw like 1 flash and that’s it
2020-10-22 23:32
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#71
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United Kingdom alcazar4
thats just your borger brain playing up
2020-10-22 23:33
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burrrrrrrp
2020-10-22 23:36
#68
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Serbia eliiiiii_
+0.5
2020-10-22 23:32
That is why S1mple has a high flash rate... Maybe read stats before you make random assumptions
2020-10-23 10:36
Zyw0o has quite good support stats as well, he might use utility less in his team than certain players but his efficiency with utility is far higher than any support player btw, he does everything. There is no player like him, he's really a jack of all trades but he's doing everything at the highest level possible, support, carry, opening pick/entry plays, clutches, pistols etc just everything at such a high level no player could ever match him.
2020-11-05 03:15
Just to clarify a few things (I obviously disagree about Zywoo being "set up" more than s1mple, if anything they are at the same level), if Zywoo has 1/10 in work ethic and he has relatively similar skill level as s1mple, doesnt that mean Zywoo is, according to you, many many time more talented than s1mple. Also, Im not sure, you can check it, but I think Zywoo has more assists, flash assists, enemies flashed and support rounds than s1mple (not sure about that). Finaly I dont see how zywoo and s1mple have a different score for baitingg if zywoo has a higer impact rating.
2020-10-22 23:13
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#31
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Serbia eliiiiii_
zywoo is messi (extremely talented, but doesn't work that much on himself), s1mple is ronaldo (almost no natural talent, but is on the top from all the work) in this context zywoo's impact is heavily brought up simply by frags, plus we will never know which parameters exactly go into that statistic because HLTV doesn't wanna disclose it seems like
2020-10-22 23:19
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"almost no natural talent" yeah, i think you're going too far with that.
2020-10-22 23:19
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#40
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Serbia eliiiiii_
we'll never know, that's just speculation either way both work a lot on themselves
2020-10-22 23:21
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#99
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Canada YankeeM
bruh u high
2020-10-23 00:11
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#101
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I don't live in netherlands or usa sorry
2020-10-23 00:18
Before Ronaldo was tall and jacked he was an amazing player you are just high look up his history he wasn't always a machine. Almost no natural skill lmao pure hatred over nothing for no reason, even if he didn't train as hard as he did he would be a clear best player in the world along with Messi, both of them have incredible natural gift for this sport but Ronaldo is just better in every aspect because he did put the work in Messi didn't that's why Messi fanboys clinging onto La Liga stats (no one gives a shit about league stats when comparing the GOATs) and other bs.
2020-11-05 03:22
If it is your judgment then I guess its more easily acceptable. Although perhaps I would put them closer on teamplay. I can see your argument for Zywoo being more set up and less helping the team, although I myself disagree with it - I doubt either of us is a pro analysts either way lmao- I would probably only make them differ by only half a point. I would also note that how often they "pop off" could be an indicator for either the raw aim or just consistency, which you haven't categorized yet.
2020-10-22 23:24
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#62
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Serbia eliiiiii_
it's just from what I've seen from a few years of watching cs, this is where our opinions probably do differ a lot so I'll just leave it as is
2020-10-22 23:30
I know. Adr, openings rating, full buy round multipliers and kd. Zywoo cant be bigger baiter than simple. Just check their surviving stats. Simple is always the last man alive baiting till the end.
2020-10-22 23:46
#113
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Switzerland noxer*
Lmfao Ronaldo almost no natural talent AHAHAHAHA
2020-10-23 00:28
everytime someone compares cs players to football players i just wanna smack them so hard
2020-10-23 09:36
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+1
2020-10-23 10:25
Niko has also great talent but 0 work ethic. Talent means nothing without hard work.
2020-10-23 10:37
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Turkey MrAycan
too subjecitve brooo
2020-10-22 23:14
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#38
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Serbia eliiiiii_
too vague bro
2020-10-22 23:20
#28
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Romania Anonym20
i just don't understand "less is better" and "being placed in the best positions (higher = better positions more often):" what are you talking about
2020-10-22 23:17
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#36
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I mean the score I gave everyone for that particular point "higher = better positions and/or placed in good positions more often" - basically the higher the score goes for that (1-10) the more better positions they get and more often "less is better = smaller score (1-10 again) means less "baiting""
2020-10-22 23:20
"less is better" 1/10 = good (never bait) 10/10 = bad (always bait)
2020-10-22 23:27
#56
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Sweden botl0f
ecovice raw aiming skills 0/10 clutch ability 0/10 best positions 10/10 baiting 10/10
2020-10-22 23:27
Hltc community is low brains kid all day S1mple better no zywoo better no device is better and every day The same. Maby need to add autoban system in hltv for words S1mple zywoo device and other.
2020-10-22 23:28
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#65
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Serbia eliiiiii_
nah I tried making a civilized convo out of this
2020-10-22 23:31
zywoo = 10/10 mechanics, 8/10 team player dev1ce = 8/10 mechanics, 10/10 team player s1mple = 10/10 mechanics, 4/10 team player
2020-10-22 23:28
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#66
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I mean if we're going only by 2 factors I'd put zywoo and s1mple closer as team players, 4 points of difference don't do either justice
2020-10-22 23:32
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Zywoo is easily a better team player than s1mple. s1mple sometimes buys deag+armor on eco rounds, because perfecto/boom4 always drops him a gun, but zywoo does eco even on force rounds to buy himself an awp. Also when navi has a "Hero AK", s1mple always takes it, but on vitality whoever saves the AK uses it. You don't need to utilize zywoo every round for him to carry.
2020-10-23 00:19
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#107
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I have to disagree with the hero ak hero AK rarely goes to s1mple, however s1mple is never the guy without a gun in 4/5 buys so that evens it out I guess not sure about zywoo
2020-10-23 00:21
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"hero AK rarely goes to s1mple" do you even watch navi matches bruh
2020-10-23 01:04
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I watch every single navi game possible, and yes, your argument is invalid. Its usually flamie/perfo/elec who rotates around the hero ak, with simple leading with the deagle, what the guy says above is correct, he always ends up with a gun in a 4/5 buy though, others take ak instead of him cus he know he can make wonders with deagle whereas the others don't have the same kind of impact with it. if you want proof I can, surely, use my time and create some links for multiple, quadruple games where my statement proves me right.
2020-10-23 09:26
wtf is he blind or what rofl
2020-10-23 12:05
Ey g2 fan, stop watch league of legends Start watch CS.. Zywoo > noob2mple Easy
2020-10-25 19:36
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#236
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Serbia eliiiiii_
everything checks out
2020-10-25 19:57
That is team decision and s1mple win rounds with that strat
2020-10-23 10:39
Omg it's so bad...
2020-10-22 23:30
first line, zywoo baiting ? kekw nice 0/8
2020-10-22 23:30
#70
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Germany Constikdw
I don’t see why S1mple would have a lower work ethic than device...it’s widely known that S1mple is the most hard working player in all of cs
2020-10-22 23:33
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#93
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Serbia eliiiiii_
yes, individually however device works more with teammates and it shows
2020-10-23 00:04
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#116
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Germany Constikdw
You can’t possibly know how much they practice. Maybe Astralis just practice more efficiently or simply have the better players. There’s no way to say that one team practices more together than the other
2020-10-23 00:31
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#117
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Serbia eliiiiii_
someone had an interview during the jugi era, can't remember who, but they explicitly mentioned that they had 8+ hours of practice the last few days and it wasn't a bootcamp either obviously it could've been that they've been reworking their entire gamestyle with a new IGL and player but who knows all in all, they work a lot and it's efficient
2020-10-23 00:32
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Actually, The players themselves have Said, they don’t really practise more than other professional CSGo teams (I Think this was even aired in interviews during Starladder Berlin last year) - However The results clearly show, that Astralis are Way more effecient with their practise sessions than most other teams are ...
2020-10-23 09:18
He works hard, but he doesn't work smart, which makes his time spent much less efficient pr. hour.
2020-10-23 00:34
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#178
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Serbia eliiiiii_
could be true
2020-10-23 17:49
#72
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United Kingdom alcazar4
s1mpl1 > zywhen > d0v0c0
2020-10-22 23:34
2 replies
you mean s0mple>zyw00>d4v4c4?
2020-10-23 00:35
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#129
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United Kingdom alcazar4
0 top 1s
2020-10-23 02:10
#74
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India somecunt
The fuck lmfao, straight out of ass
2020-10-22 23:35
2 replies
+1 especially the work ethic, you literally know nothing about that. i also dont understand the clutch numbers. if s1mple and device are this bad, what are players that are decent but not some of the best clutchers? all 3 in here are some of the best clutchers and mid round players in the scene.
2020-10-22 23:42
1 reply
#94
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I do know because it's public info and I mentioned everything in one of my first replies, check it out device and s1mple literally aren't bad and I never said such, I'm a big supporter of astralis and it's my second flair, it's just that outside of these factors I didn't mention any more since I cba to go over every single game aspect in a 120000 line post
2020-10-23 00:05
Stupidest thread on this website... tf do you know teamplay or work ethic.. S1mple's clutch is a 5/10? moron... and how is dev1ce's clutch only a 3/10? Literally pulling numbers out of your ass..
2020-10-22 23:42
7 replies
+1 just nonsense.
2020-10-22 23:44
#95
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Serbia eliiiiii_
there's valid arguments, there's this and that and then we have an angry british man and a device fan, whose player I'm also a big supporter of and I'm literally putting him upper in the hierarchy in most categories than most, sucks that you all think that your favorite players are 10/10 in every aspect
2020-10-23 00:07
5 replies
no one thinks so, but 3/10 and 5/10 for some of the worlds best clutch players is stupid.
2020-10-23 00:19
4 replies
#105
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Serbia eliiiiii_
device often clutches when needed the most but his % isn't high
2020-10-23 00:20
3 replies
Pretty sure simples clutch numbers is still above zywoos and device, I might be wrong, haven't checked ina while. but simple is deffo better than dev at clutching(I mean he/you (don't remember who created thread, too lazy to check) said less, better)
2020-10-23 09:23
2 replies
#179
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Serbia eliiiiii_
though to be fair there isn't a statistic that rates someone's clutch by importance like you can clutch a 1v4 round for overtime on map 3 of major grand finals or you can clutch a 1v1 round while leading 14-3 on CT side nuke against absolute randoms and it's still considered +1 on the clutch tally
2020-10-23 17:52
1 reply
Thats true.
2020-10-24 23:43
#86
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Australia lo0u
Dude get a life.
2020-10-22 23:43
2 replies
#97
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Serbia eliiiiii_
thanks for the heads up
2020-10-23 00:07
1 reply
#98
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Australia lo0u
No worries.
2020-10-23 00:07
Destroyer of trophys: device - 10/10 s1mple - N/A zywoo - N/A
2020-10-22 23:52
2 replies
#96
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Serbia eliiiiii_
+1
2020-10-23 00:07
#100
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Canada YankeeM
+1
2020-10-23 00:12
work ethic: s1mple - 9.5/10 zywoo - 1/10 device - 10/10 s1mple FPL's all day long. That's not making him much better at anything but raw skill. That's not good work ethic.
2020-10-23 00:21
3 replies
#109
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Serbia eliiiiii_
actually zywoo is the one who exclusively FPLs s1mple puts a lot of time in before and after matches when he plays DM and what not, however his teamplay with na'vi teammates isn't looking the best hence why he's a 9.5/10 but overall you can't deny that the dude puts crazy amounts of time into himself
2020-10-23 00:22
2 replies
9.5 is just waaaay too high if you only give dev1ce 10, who does a lot of different things to get those few extra %. It's about efficient practice, not hours. If NAVI took on the mindset of astralis practice, I would be very scared if I were astralis. They basically live and breathe with the mindset of a sportsman in regular sports. The difference is that the players are willing to do what others tell them are good for them in astralis. Their sports director have been elite athlete for 15 years or so. NAVI players are still very much bosses of their own time.
2020-10-23 00:30
1 reply
#180
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Serbia eliiiiii_
I mean efficiency is a factor, but the biggest thing I'm going for here is to try and illustrate someone's will to improve and time spent trying/doing so; either way, efficient practice wins majors as we can see from device and astralis, although I still believe they (along with device + his individual practice) put in a ton of time despite practicing efficiently since the competitive meta constantly changes, teams' approach to certain maps changes and astralis has the widest map pool in history along with a ridiculous amounts of strats and counterstrats so yeah
2020-10-23 17:55
clutch reliability: s1mple - 5/10 zywoo - 8/10 pistols: s1mple - 8/10 zywoo - 8/10 ahahhaHHHHAHAH best joke ever zywoo can play ONLY with awp and he wins clutch cuz his teammates hit enemy for -90 LOL
2020-10-23 00:22
4 replies
0/8
2020-10-23 00:28
#114
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Serbia eliiiiii_
well he's reliable either way, low health or not
2020-10-23 00:29
2 replies
i dont mind other things, but s1mple's clutch reliability is much higher than 5/10
2020-10-23 09:26
Simples clutch reliability > zywoos anyday, hello? IF simple has a deagle, you know he can make it, if he has an ak, you know it, fucking dual berettas, you know the dude can pull it off, scout, sg, aug, awp etc, the only time you don't grab your chair when zywoo is clutching is when he has his awp. but I mean, he has the awp 90% of the game so I guess I understand where you're coming from. but please, we all know simple is much scarier in clutches than zywoo, no hate my man
2020-10-23 09:29
ok go back to reddit retrd
2020-10-23 00:27
1 reply
#122
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Serbia eliiiiii_
tisina
2020-10-23 00:40
s1mple's aim isn't that amazing. Niko has much better aim. But s1mple is just mr. lightning himself, and if carrying awp, he doesn't need that amazing aim.
2020-10-23 00:32
5 replies
#121
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Serbia eliiiiii_
aim is more than clicking onto heads fast
2020-10-23 00:39
1 reply
Crosshair placement is not aim, it's crosshair placement!! s1mple is faster, niko is more precise. Check out yourself next time you spec them. aim is literally nothing more than speed and precision. Everything else is not aim, but might be related to aim.
2020-10-23 00:45
That’s true, Niko is better in aim than s1mple and probably Zywoo and anyone. But Niko doesn’t want to play awp so overall Niko|zywoo < s1mple In last years meta it’s almost impossible to rifler be getter in rating than AWP
2020-10-23 00:48
2 replies
I think his reflexes are just relatively slow for a top level pro AWP player. People rarely talk about reflexes, despite it being a very important thing. But probably because it's very hard to improve it, and the best improvements you can do has nothing to with gaming, like diet for example. s1mple is a superststar mainly because of his godlike reflexes IMO. That's his "gift".
2020-10-23 00:53
1 reply
I remember eye test stats showing on some tournaments - like reaction time etc. Don’t you have those for s1mple, Niko?
2020-10-23 09:13
Oh that’s easy let me fix this: Device < Zywoo < s1mple
2020-10-23 00:45
fallen > all
2020-10-23 02:11
#132
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Denmark dyinbyran
The bait and the amount of people who got baited is hilarious lol
2020-10-23 09:15
3/10 Clutch reliability for Device is a joke lmao. I agree with the rest though but device is really good under clutch situations wtf.
2020-10-23 09:23
1 reply
#181
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Serbia eliiiiii_
his percentage is smaller as far as I know, but he does deliver clutches at the best times, again ima copy paste what I said in #179: " like you can clutch a 1v4 round for overtime on map 3 of major grand finals or you can clutch a 1v1 round while leading 14-3 on CT side nuke against absolute randoms and it's still considered +1 on the clutch tally "
2020-10-23 17:57
f0rest & getright greater all
2020-10-23 09:26
u have to watch a vitality match if u wanna make a comparison btw
2020-10-23 09:31
s1mple is far better at setting up his team that you give him credit for.
2020-10-23 09:33
1 reply
#182
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Serbia eliiiiii_
not that I've seen
2020-10-23 17:58
Clutch situations (All time pr.HLTV stats) 1v1 Simple 269 / 154 / +115 Device 283 / 216 / +67 Zywoo 177 / 86 / +91 1v2 Simple 143 Device 197 Zywoo 95 1v3 Simple 50 Device 32 Zywoo 44 1v4 Simple 11 Device 4 Zywoo 4 1v5 Simple 1 Device None Zywoo 2
2020-10-23 09:49
4 replies
For good measure, just tossing the "Clutch Minister's" stats in there aswell for comparison ...; 1v1 359 / 171 / +188 1v2 213 1v3 64 1v4 11 1v5 1
2020-10-23 10:08
#183
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Serbia eliiiiii_
actually interesting
2020-10-23 17:58
2 replies
avg per map played ?
2020-10-23 18:30
1 reply
I’ll admit I didn’t really wanted to spend that much time making The calculations ... LOL However, The stats are there, so all you Got to do is tally The total amount of Maps played pr each player and you’ll have your average pr map ... ;-)
2020-10-25 20:44
#152
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Panama Bill_Bait
Device #1 that's a facf
2020-10-23 10:32
1 reply
#184
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Serbia eliiiiii_
GOAT (greatest of all time) - definitely top 3 candidate (s1mple and zywoo are not even close to making this top 3) BOAT (best of all time) - top 10?
2020-10-23 17:59
s0mple can only baits 4 bots device and zywoo are on another level
2020-10-23 10:38
-2/8
2020-10-23 10:45
Why would you even include device in these conversations in 2020?
2020-10-23 10:48
19 replies
#185
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Serbia eliiiiii_
why not? because someone plays a completely different style that doesn't yield high personal stats yet yields 20-30-40 trophies invalidates them as a candidate for #1 because why? they don't have +2 K-D in 16-2 losses?
2020-10-23 18:01
18 replies
yes it invalidates them as the best of all time (GOAT) by choosing that playstyle
2020-10-23 18:03
15 replies
#193
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Serbia eliiiiii_
boat =!= goat device can take goat status but never the boat status
2020-10-23 18:20
14 replies
he wont be able to take the goat status, how can one be the greatest of all time when he hasnt even been the greatest at one point. The moment he hits #1 a year he's a candidate for goat.
2020-10-25 00:57
13 replies
#214
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Serbia eliiiiii_
typically saying someone is the "best of all time" in esports implies that he's the individually best and most skilled player of all time, whereas "greatest of all time" typically refers that someone was very good individually and left a great legacy behind, and it's especially valid to call device the boat because of what he did and what he won with astralis and tsm from day one till this day
2020-10-25 13:37
12 replies
IF ANYTHING, when we go after how you described the words, he's definitely more goat worthy than boat, he has never been and isnt the most individually skilled player, i can name 20 people better than him.
2020-10-25 17:27
9 replies
#217
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Serbia eliiiiii_
not quite 20 but I'd say a solid 5-6
2020-10-25 17:39
8 replies
Individually better? Zywoo, niko, rain, simple, electronic, (Arguably perfecto, i'd say too early) dupreeh, shox, kennys, twistzz, Elige, NAF, Xantares, woxic, ropz. You cant take achivements into it since its team based. We're talking about individual skill ceiling and capabilities, I'd deffo be more afraid ot meet any of those i mentioned in MM than device.
2020-10-25 17:57
7 replies
Individualism still involves positioning, timely rotates, communication. Thats something YOU do and it has to be seen in the context of a team. At no point has someone like Rain or Woxic been better individually than Device. Just because they HS more on Avg or have a slightly faster flick doesnt make them better individually, maybe you could say mechanically but even thats a stretch
2020-10-25 18:07
6 replies
Rain has definitely been better, prime rain was a monster. I can agree that he's definitely not up to expectations now
2020-10-25 18:12
5 replies
Maybe for like a 6 month period in 2017. The vast majority of Devices career he has been better than rain
2020-10-25 18:14
4 replies
Idk, device has a robotlike playstyle, that alone wont win you a goat status. He's setup to play in a certain way which will in one way limit his cap, but in the end boost the teams cap alltogether. Rain on the other hand HAD(havnt watched him in a while now) a pretty wild playstyle, you could see him push smokes without info, solo entry sites, etc etc. he was a monster in a way more dominating way than device is able to be(not cus of his skills, but because of how he's setup)
2020-10-25 19:29
3 replies
That style worked back then doesnt work now. Device has a more consistent style which works vs all types of teams
2020-11-06 16:04
2 replies
Yes, but doesnt work that well in clutches, hence why he isnt even top3 clutch% in his team, even tho he has amazing skills.
2020-11-06 22:56
1 reply
Who cares he gets the most multi kills, entries, highest ADR on the team
2020-11-07 09:01
You could say device is the Coat, most consistent of all time. and that's a huge trophy too.
2020-10-25 18:13
But even then i'd have the balls to put f0rest above him, if we take accuont into how many years the dude has been in the scene(if we combine both cs 1.6 and go ofc) and his age.
2020-10-25 18:14
I was talking about 2020
2020-10-23 20:41
1 reply
#204
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Serbia eliiiiii_
same applies
2020-10-23 20:45
Zywoo doesnt get set up. Shox gets set up
2020-10-23 12:08
3 replies
hahahahahaha
2020-10-23 12:31
2 replies
Its true
2020-10-23 12:34
1 reply
hahahahaha
2020-10-23 12:34
i've never seen so much bullshit in all my life my eyes are actually bleeding
2020-10-23 16:30
1 reply
#186
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Serbia eliiiiii_
well the timing is surely nice lmao
2020-10-23 18:01
Dede >>>>>>>
2020-10-23 17:44
s1mple + zywho are in a different league compared to device in any other team device would be the equivalent to frozen etc.....
2020-10-23 17:46
1 reply
#187
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Serbia eliiiiii_
2020-10-23 18:01
raw aiming skill: s1mple - 9/10 zywoo - 9/10 device - 7/10 LUL who is 10/10 then?
2020-10-23 18:03
4 replies
twistzz, borup shii player but incredible aim you can argue Niko as well
2020-10-23 18:10
3 replies
if u are saying zywoo aim is not 10/10 then u are low iq
2020-10-23 18:55
2 replies
well I have stated players based on the stats, anyhow you are in titled to your opinion, stupid and rude one but its your opinion nonetheless
2020-10-23 19:42
1 reply
Nothing you've said is backed up by ANY stats lmfao
2020-10-25 18:05
lol 1 player doesnt belong in title replace with niko or 2014 kenny and we might have an argument
2020-10-23 18:03
actually great assessment! i don't agree with the pistol and clutch and that i am basing on the their stats... I think s1mple is better in pistols and also clutch reliability should be higher...
2020-10-23 18:08
Zywoo work ethic : 1/10 More like 0.5/10
2020-10-23 18:27
Another ZywOo hater. He's got best clutch and 2vX rates. Btw work ethic is 0/10 everything else is top level. You must be dumb to think he's put in best positions when everyone on his team is performing at normal level. Only players who are put in best positions are huNter and s1mple
2020-10-23 19:44
2 replies
"Btw work ethic is 0/10 everything else is top level." yeah i surely believe that hes able to consistently fight for the best player in the world with 0/10 work ethic and he's definitely put into the best spots for fragging out, almost always has the hero ak or deagle.
2020-10-23 20:48
1 reply
Almost always????? And what is hero deagle plus shox has more weapons in rounds than ZywOo. He gets hero ak few times that too when vitality doesn't have money and have to win a round. It's just that you can afford one weapon so you put in your best player's hands. The amount of times he takes ak for entries is insane. When in a team everyone is able to shine in a game then there everyone is playing normal roles.
2020-10-24 08:42
uninstall csgo delete ur hltv and just never show back ur self
2020-10-24 08:46
18 replies
why would he do all that? is he wrong in any point loll
2020-10-25 17:41
17 replies
Work ethic 1/10 - Zywoo >Gets top 1 in his 1st year playing tier 1 >Doesnt work very hard Pick one
2020-10-25 18:03
16 replies
Idk why am I even bothering trying to prove a point to stubborn french zywoo fanboy. Zywoo didnt deserve 1st place, device is so much better and more complete player than zywoo will ever be.
2020-10-29 00:48
15 replies
Yeah im the stubborn when when literally every metric pointed to Zywoo from Stats to MVPs and all you're using to make that claim is your biased opinion. Sure maybe in your opinion Device is a more complete player, thats a respectable opinion, that doesnt however mean he PERFORMED better in 2019. Those are two completely different things. Zywoo gave better individual performances throughout the year and thats that. And Device wasnt even in the conversation. Both S1mple and Zywoo were better individually. Lmk how you actually think someone who got top 1 or even top 20 in their FIRST year playing competitively in tier 1 has low work ethic. Makes no sense.
2020-10-29 03:34
14 replies
if ur in a team that in 90% is only able to set u up for easy kills ofc u gonna be pronounced as best individual, in astralis he wouldn't have that many chances to frag and be better than everyone else on his team.
2020-10-31 20:38
13 replies
Youre putting the cart before the horse. Its not like they drew names out of a hate and said "okay Zywoo you're gonna be the star" Hes the star because he IS the best player. And please dont act like Astralis doesnt give Device a ton of freedom. He was praised constantly for his movement around the map which is something you can only do with a lot of freedom and priority in the team. Not to mention its not like Device hits EVERY shot. Theres plenty of room for improvement in his gameplay. You act like hes at the absolute peak possibility for his fragging and thats just not true.
2020-10-31 22:01
12 replies
simple>device>>>>>>>>>>zywo, my opinion
2020-11-03 17:29
3 replies
Cool opinion. Most facts as well as analysts point to Zywoo being superior to device though hltv.org/stats/players/compare/11893/zyw.. Please tell me what Device has over Zywoo besides a few years of experience that dont show up in the performance anyway. If i took the 2 names off of the players you would probably tell me Zywoo looks more experienced anyway with how calm he is in clutches.
2020-11-03 23:55
2 replies
#266
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Serbia eliiiiii_
if device played in vitality he would have more inflated stats, if you're the only guy who plays for your team on a tier 1 level of course you're gonna get all the stats; in astralis device doesn't have that much chance to build his own individual stats because he is in a team surrounded with players that are on his level + all play a team game; in vitality zywoo has apex and nbk and co. that always bait for zywoo and play around him they can get to a high level this way, but never win trophies or majors as shown, and the fact that zywoo is incapable to learn a common language (english) locks him in a very scarce french cs region that he's hardly gonna succeed in
2020-11-04 19:04
1 reply
Nbk isnt even on Vitality but whatever. Vitality is currently ranked higher than Astralis so i have no idea what you're talking about. Give Zywoo the best IGL, top 5 player in Magisk and best support player in the world along with a top entry and theres no doubt he would win majors lmao. I think you seem to be forgetting that Zywoo is in his 2nd year professionally, already has more trophies and MVPs than device had by his 3rd. Please dont be delusional, one of the main things device is praised about is his movement around the map which doesnt happen unless you have a lot of freedom in the team. Astralis do plenty to set up device and give him good positions. Zywoo simply does more for his team than device, regardless of positions and is just a more valuable and explosive player. He can do everything device can do when it comes to playing safe, with your teammates but he has that extra notch that device doesnt have where hes the only thing his team needs to win maps at times.
2020-11-05 02:37
yes and it shows up on ct side. on t side he doesnt have that freedom.
2020-11-03 17:31
7 replies
On t side he is consistently set up to be in post plant situations maybe he doesnt go as aggressive as zywoo or s1mple but they definitely use him as a star player.
2020-11-03 23:47
6 replies
nah. its like 50/50. hes entrying quite often on some of the maps.
2020-11-03 23:49
5 replies
Every AWPer gets entries sometimes. Zywoo has a higher entry rate than device
2020-11-03 23:54
4 replies
3 replies
hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star.. Very similar But zywoo does more in high pressure matches. Either way you cant use the argument that Device is used more as an entry than Zywoo. Especially when Zywoo rifles way more and gives up the AWP to Shox/Nivera pretty often
2020-11-03 23:52
2 replies
pretty sure he gives the awp away on 2 maps - nuke and inferno. and nuke is only when shox saves it. device has a double awp and doesnt use the awp on 3 maps (train, vertigo, dust2) in a lot of rounds because the other player has it. dont try to tell me that zywoo has a same setup as device. its very different. astralis play around everyone except gla1ve, vitality plays around zywoo and shox. device doesnt have the hero ak nearly as often, zywoo has it like 99% of the time. and no, he doesnt have as much freedom to make a play when he feels it. its visible in the game and even apex said that he allows zywoo to do whatever he wants, device only has this ability on 3 maps - inferno, dust, overpass. otherwise he has a set role and you can often see him hold a certain position just to maintain map control.
2020-11-04 00:04
1 reply
Zywoo doesnt hero AK often at all, Vitality are pretty measured in their buys and usually they just let whoever had the AK keep it. device AWPs all the fucking time on vertigo and train, wtf?? hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7592/devic.. 37% of his kills on vertigo hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7592/devic.. 57% of his kills on train Please stop making shit up to suit your argument its really disgusting
2020-11-05 02:39
baiting for own stats (less is better): s1mple - 0/10 zywoo - 10/10 device - 10/10
2020-10-24 23:46
Such an obvious terrible bait thread 0/8 0/8 0/8
2020-10-25 18:03
device never be top3 players again
2020-10-25 19:31
-If I were pro, I would have wanted to be like s1mple. -If I were one of the opposite team member, I would have been afraid of Zywoo most. -If I were an organization owner I would have wanted to dev1ce on my team.
2020-10-29 02:43
2 replies
probably the best reply i read on hltv so far.
2020-10-31 20:45
1 reply
thank you brother
2020-10-31 22:21
#241
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Brazil Elakk
2
2020-10-29 02:44
thank you hltv 13 year old analyst for your opinion
2020-10-31 20:49
#249
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Algeria abdodz32
where did you came out with these numbers? your ass?
2020-10-31 22:02
1 reply
yes
2020-11-03 17:29
Device boeing to watch ZzzZz
2020-11-03 23:55
#262
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Hungary raffai
niko>
2020-11-03 23:56
1 reply
0/8
2020-11-04 00:05
How the fuck is s1mple work ethic 9.5 and device 10. S1mple is easily the hardest working pro and has the most hours.
2020-11-04 19:09
in other words s1mple >>> zywoo
2020-11-04 19:10
Whiffing ez shots Device 10/10 S1mple 0.001/10 ZywOo 0.001/10
2020-11-04 19:24
#272
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France cartengo
??? work ethic serious ?
2020-11-04 19:41
malbsMD > all
2020-11-05 03:06
I will judge them appropriately as players and what they bring to a team. If I want an intelligent player who is always going to play all types of plays properly, fall back when he's supposed to, peak when he's supposed to, understand team dynamics and how to run executions, defaults and strategies properly I'm going to take Device every day of the fucking century. If I want the complete player, someone who can entry, someone who can clutch, someone who can use utility at the highest level so he can he can enable his shit tier team mates to shine I will take zyw0o every day of the year. If I want a the PUG master, aka Pug god, the kid who always has the best highlight plays of all time but his team is always shit and never wins anything anyone cares about but he always looks good because he's flashy and entertaining I will take s1mple, his toxic personality matches his playstyle perfectly, when he matures enough to use his skill to better his team instead of his shit, will be the day his team is a consistently tier 1 title contender... until then it looks good but its not how you win majors and important titles, it's how you fluke shit in one offs because you had a good LAN once a year.
2020-11-05 03:34
#283
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France poulpup
WTF IS THIS THREAD KEKW
2020-11-05 03:37
AGF
1.49
Tricked
2.50
SKADE
1.39
SJ
2.84
BIG
1.19
Envy
4.82
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