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Tier S: The Very Best
Gla1ve
Aleksib
arT
Tier A: The Very Good
Tabsen
Karrigan
BlameF
Hampus
Krystal
Tier B: The Pretty Decent
CadiaN
apEX
JT
Nexa
Golden
Tier C: The Somewhat Acceptable
Jerry
NiKo
Stanislaw
MSL
Boombl4
Tier D: The Bad
SuNny
Tier E: The Shadow Realm
Stewie2k
I assume this is only active IGLs?
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Yep, active and vaguely relevant internationally
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ouch
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who?
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hltv.org/stats/players/9115/dexter?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/9816/aleksib?star..
best Finnish player is worse then irrelevant igl
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nah, who asked 😎
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hltv.org/stats/players/9115/dexter?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/9816/aleksib?star..
also worse in 2019 shame Finnish is relevant for 1 year and back under a rock
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Has not gotten the chance but just to shame your country even more
Jks>sergay
hltv.org/stats/players/4679/jks?startDat..
hltv.org/stats/players/11916/sergej?star..
DEXTER > aleksib
hltv.org/stats/players/9115/dexter?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/9816/aleksib?star..
Also whats snake country like ?
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Just for more
Liazz>Aerial
hltv.org/stats/players/4076/aerial?start..
hltv.org/stats/players/10588/liazz?start..
Aleksib's career rating vs top 10 teams: 0.97
Dexter's career rating vs top 10 teams: 0.96
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Ignores the fact that Aleksib has played 63 maps vs. top 5 teams while Dexter has only played 16 maps vs. top 5 teams.
And why do you think it is that Aleksib wins more games against top 10 teams?
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And why is it that Aleksib is playing with really good players?
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but kng is will play next week
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Yep accurate list
fallen felt it
tier GOAT:
simple
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Stop fake flagging UK you ugly fuck
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Stop fake flagging UK you ugly fuck
hampus and Krystal ahead of golden and nexa ?
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+1 wierd
arT tier S and Golden tier B lmaooo
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Hampus made NiP a solid top 10 team and Krystal has been doing great with Godsent, there's a reason he hasn't been (officially) kicked yet
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Out of it for a month, sure, but their results apart from EPL s12 have been pretty good
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Cause I either don't think their teams are that great tactically, a lot of the gameplan is made by their coach or the team doesn't perform as well as they should with the players they've got
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I think many people would say Heroic are playing noticeably better than the sum of their parts.
Every time Heroic wins i hear "this team was nobodies how did they climb so fast"
Also no idea how you KNOW absolutely that these teams rely on their coach for gameplans MORE than other teams.
I mean gla1ve and all of Astralis are consistently outspoken about how much Zonic does for them and thats how every roster would be. But the coach cant play the game or mid-round for the IGL, so you have to give the IGL their credit.
Their results never really got better after changing lekro to hampus. For now hampus belongs to the somewhat decent category, lets see in couple of months if he can get anything out of those swedens best talents
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Yeah that's fair
top 20 at best
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+1
OG proves team firepower doesnt matter with an GOD tier igl
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OG has plenty of firepower lmao. Valde was seen as a potentially elite player 2 years ago. ISSAA has great mechanics and Mantuu is one of the hottest up and coming AWPers
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Respect sunny wtf
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Am sorry but if your biggest achievement as an IGL is being better than Allu you're not very good
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>Tier B: The Pretty Decent
>NiKo
0/8
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Blind? NiKo is in Tier C
0/8
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that was with nitr0 aka the only real na igl
shouldve just stuck it out with nitr0 igl or kick stewie, nitr0 is so much better than stew considering he plays the worst roles on liquid
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Uhm no that has and will always be stew that has had the dogshit roles.
Nitr0 was literally playing A site Overpass with an AWP, the best spot on the map.
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that was when liquid was at their peak, in 2020 he took up pretty much every bitch role possible
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No Stewie still had trash roles but either way your statement makes no sense.
Nitr0 is better than stewie BECAUSE nitr0 plays the worst roles.
But he wasnt performing in those roles or even mediocre and stewie has done those roles most of his career anyway.
"only real na igl"
-steel
-sgares
?
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steel banned, sgares achieved 10% of what nitr0 did even if he did bring up talent similar to steel
every na igl besides nitr0 has had some kinda of caveat
Wtf? Lmao
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No one and i mean not even chad chaddington from my last mm game is worse than Stewie2kek
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It was a made up name, but then to
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Winning alone does not a good IGL make
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true, thats why both are also definitely not S tier.
Aleksib is like C tier and art is A tier
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More like Aleksib is A and arT is C
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0/8 Aleksi has done nothing with OG lol
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Except been a top tier leader for them?
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winning what
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Winning against teams like Vitality, EG, fnatic, mouz, FaZe, G2, BIG, Heroic, ENCE, GODSENT..
Against every single top 10 team
"has done nothing"
Look what players Aleksi have and think again please. Aleksi have NBK and ISSAA while NiKo have cold and rain lmaoooo
When they created this OG roster did you think they could be a top10 team?
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+1 man you put some valid points there
You act like ISSAA is Bad lol. Yes i did, valde is a god, mantuu is insane as well, same for ISSAA and yeah, nbk brings the experience and solid co ig leadin with him. Aleksi is doing a good Job, but ppl give him waaaay too much credit imo
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Im considering whole year not just last months..
ISSAA wasn't that good. NBK and Aleksi were basically bots. Valde was in 2 year slump but now it seems he is back. And yeah mantuu was insane from the start
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Good point, but expected them to struggle at the beginning and to climb by time since everyone was used to call in their foreign language and not in english (except mantuu ofc). And finding the correct Position that suits for every Player, also online and not in bootcamps which aleksi definetly deserves credit for since i can imagine that doing that stuff online is a pain in the ass
Also mantuu was a literal who ngl
Dude, your name suggests you have a brain
But comments otherwise
Change arT and kRYSTAL
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The_one_who_baits
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But Boombl4 has invented an asspeek
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So who did it then?
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AZR?
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knew I forgot someone
Lmao such a bad list.
get aleksib off of the s tier.
make Nexa higher.
and what the fuck is up with krystal and hampus? lmao
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If I took Aleksib from S tier I'd also have to remove Gla1ve
m.twitch.tv/clip/DistinctCuriousDolphinW..
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Gla1ve is 20 levels above angry finnish boy aleksib.
Aleksib is not a bad IGL but definitely not S tier lmao.
put him on A tier then, Karrigan is a much better IGL than Aleksib due to his experience.
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I am not saying that Aleksib is a shit IGL, he is very good at being an IGL. He showed that in ENCE. but he is not yet on the level that gla1ve is. Gla1ve is the only S tier IGL in this era. I am fine with putting aleksib on A or B tier but he is not an all time high IGL like gla1ve
Experience alone doesnt make a good igl. Mouz has shit ton more firepower than og yet they cant win shit.
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mouz has a shit ton more firepower than oG lmfao wtf are u talking about?
First of Karrigan actually won t1 trophies with every one of his lineups and mouz is no exception. Secondly, he picked up frozen an unproven t3 (at that time) player, woxic who was stuck in Hellraisers (very much like Issa) and ChrisJ who had is a few years past his prime at this point and now bymas who was kicked from faze after only having red ratings in all the tourneys he played for them.
Meanwhile oG got Valde, Issa, NBK (honestly the worst one but he got more impact than ChrisJ) and Mantuu who was the only risky pickup but have definitely proven himself
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The ropz-frozen-chrisJ-woxic-karrigan lineup was one of the most firepower-concentrated rosters at the time. They did have some success, but later on somehow couldn't get their act together
karrigan better than aleksib in 2020? lmao
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/9816/alek..
theyre at a similar level tactically but aleksib is a 1000x better fragger than karrigan can ever be
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karrigan is at a way higher level tactically and he's way better at helping young guns
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Karrigan has a way looser style than Aleksib. Allegedly Aleksi also micromanaged Sergej a ton back when he was a top 15 player
karrigan tactics in 2020: ropz go kill
not really, aleksib took a team of tier 2.5 eu players to a major final while karrigan needed NiKo rain guardian and olof to do the same and then choke vs c9 LMAO. see the difference?
aleksib is way better than karrigan tactically. not hard to get results when you have ropz woxic frozen (mouz) and NiKo rain guardian olof (faze)
No, IGLing isnt just pure calling, you need to frag at a tier 1 level to be considered S tier and Aleksib falls behind in that category whereas gla1ve doesnt. Thats a noticeable advantage that gla1ve has over Aleksib which means its perfectly reasonable to have gla1ve superior.
AZR?
Aleksib S tier OMEGALUL
art, hampus crystal way too high, boombl4 too low
blamef s-tier for sure
the shadow realm xD hahaha
Karrigan not in tier s lol.
hampus over nexa, nexa and golden ?
Tier S:
Jame
AdreN
Jerry
gla1ve
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Jerry is much better than that. Just by his standing alone your list will get a 2/10 from me.
Apex is currently a really good IGL; making it to pretty much all Grand Finals this year speaks for something. While the execution of Vita's strats can go array, there are a bunch of times where they've just won round without needing to kill a single CT or-1 as T side. Just through timings and maneuvers. Mega underrated at least A. Also Krystal OMEGALUL///
Tier A :
Maj3r
Gla1ve
Tier B :
TabseN
apEX
CadiaN
Tier Z or The core of the world
Karrigan
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cadian way too low tf, he has great mid round calls
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Not many people have carved out an entire playstyle of their own and then perfected it enough to win tournaments
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Die fast and tell your teammates what to do while observing their screen. Next level.
Plenty of players have in tier 2-3 scenes. Lets see it work vs EU, dont remember him being seen as a tier S IGL when he was consistently facing international competition. But as soon as its VS NA only he's tier? Thats just unreasonable.
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I'd argue Furia has gotten a lot better since they last played EU. HEN1 is looking like a top 20 player atm
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Again whilst playing vs weaker players he looks better, perfectly logical. I dont doubt that they might have improved I just doubt that its enough to compete with the elite EU teams
you think boombl4 is at the same lvl as msl and Niko? omg
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Nope, I think he's worse than both of them
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That is even worse........................
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did you ever watch navi games?
they have zero t side preparation and depend on electronic or simple getting quad kills
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uhm yes I did see the game but NIP is a great strategy team better than NAVI but so it makes sense that they would play brawl instead of strategy
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BlameF's calls are too self-centered for my liking, though I'll happily reconsider if he can make JKS shine
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he said he won't be playing lurking roles on most of the maps anymore. so, jks will be the one with 1.3 rating)))
blameF proved himself by taking coL to a top tier contender from the shit state they were in
Boombl4 is tier S for sure
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No fucking way. He has done a solid job, but with s1mple and electronic you must do much much better.
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Xaxaxaxa wtf?
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CadiaN S tier? What are you smoking mate
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Go look at DH Fall final 5th map and come back
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Nexa a bit underrated
aleksib tier s ???????????????????????????????????????????????????
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JT do be kinda E- Tier
Who forgot Arvid? Absolute Tier-S IGL
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true
This list is so stupid, I do not get anything from the list. Firstly I am wondering in what time range did you consider for this list. If it is 2020 it is so foolish, even if it is not 2020 it is so foolish again. Why would you put Krystal higher rank than Nexa Golden and Stanislaw? These guys all igl do not look at their individual stats when you compare them, consider what they achieved with the team. There also some unlogical things on this list.
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>Why would you put Krystal higher rank than Nexa Golden and Stanislaw?
Cuz
>These guys all igl do not look at their individual stats when you compare them
Time frame is right now in their respective teams
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What they achieved with the team is relative to the players they have. Im not going to expect Krystal and gla1ve to have the same results with the rosters in question. Im going to look to see which IGL is making their players look more cohesive and has them consistently performing and I'd say Krystal sets up the players on his team very well, you can tell they are drilled tactically and they have solid mid round calling.
FalleN?
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Fallen.
Tier S
fallen
NiKo
Apex
gla1ve
arT
allu
Tier A
Aleksib
TabseN
karrigan
Stewie2k
Tier B
BlameF
nexa
Golden
Tier F
s0mple
Krsytal
Boombl4
stanislaw
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stopped reading at fallen but everything checks out
Boombitch Tier F
Also Tier A: Magisk
Considering they won EPL 12 and 3rd Place in DH when he was the primary caller
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Mmm no. The team already has an IMMENSE amount of protocols and plans put into place by gla1ve and he has the best coach in the world to help make gameplans while gla1ve was absent.
Its unfair to consider a player filling in a role on an established team.
Had they went out last you wouldnt be saying hes one of the worst IGLs. You'd just say "oh well, not the real roster"
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Tbh I would be saying that. I'm not one of those plastic fans that stans my team even if they played like shit.
Oh and I guess yeah, I agree. Also the fact that it was Gla1ve who was mid round calling from what we know during EPL so there's that.
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I dont think its fair to judge a player who is filling in as an IGL on one of the most tactically sound teams in the world. Nor to judge them off of two tournaments and compare them to an IGL who has been playing the whole year. Nor to judge them solely by results and not consider the quality of teammates.
fallen???
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JT and Krystal are terrible fraggers but that doesn't mean they're bad IGLs
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tier A: Danylo Zeus Teslenko
Aleksib in S tier? xaxaxaxaxaxa
I disagree with aleksib on S tier. He may have tier S ability but not the achievements. You could leave gla1ve alone on S tier and that would be fine. Golden is also an A-tier IGL minimum.
Forgeting MuTiris
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Great list
Agreed.
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Aleksib is still not top tier?u fucking punks are never satisfied are you?Hope you enjoy being bitter cause I definitely love being the greatest
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0/8
Move boombl4 up and move Karrigan down.
lul
AZR, FalleN, pronax?
you forgot dexter in A tier, chopper B tier
Aleksib in Rank S and suNny in Rank D
Yep, ENCE fangirl spotted.
Tier S:
cadiaN
Magisk
tabseN
NiKo
Tier A:
nexa
blameF
Jame
chopper
Hobbit
Jerry
koosta
MUTiRiS
Tier B:
apEX
Spiidi
vanity
suNny
MSL
ben1337
Tier C:
arT
Boombl4
stanislaw
Aleksib
hampus
Golden
Stewie2K
kRYSTAL
boX
JT
Tier D:
karrigan
Maluk3
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God awful list. Imagine having Stewie, a player whose team got noticeably worse when he became IGL on the same tier as Aleksib who has improved every team hes been on.
Imagine having Vanity who has played like 0 tier 1 teams this year 2 tiers above Karrigan.
Koosta, Mutiris, hobbit AND jame???? What have they done lmao
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Good IGL, shit player
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Sensible list, I assume you are not taking fragging into account too much?
Golden has only made top 4 runs with this rosters on LAN sooo
tier S : pronax
others are irrelevant
/closed
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stopped reading at glave he sucks dick
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i love how no one's talking about Stewie, lol he does belong in "The Shadow Realm"
aleksibot tier s ? ? flag checks out
I round their ratings for last 3 months:
Gla1ve 1.04
Aleksib 1.04
arT 1.09
Tabsen 1.02
Karrigan 0.92
BlameF 1.2
Hampus 1.03
Krystal 0.82
CadiaN 1.11
apEX 1.01
JT 0.89
Nexa 1.06
Golden 0.96
Jerry 1.03
NiKo 1.16
Stanislaw 0.98
MSL 1.02
Boombl4 1.00
SuNny 0.94
Stewie2k 1.01
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Thanks, pretty interesting how far above the average BlameF and NiKo are
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Golden A, BlameF B, NiKo D.
otherwise fine to me
Move Boom and BlameF up 1 rank imo but other than that I agree its a solid list
Apex should be t1.
So underrated.
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Not really, he is a great fragger but seems like a rather average or slightly below average IGL. I mean he does his job but he isn't anything special
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Yeah that's fair
Why don't I see Goat Xizt is S+ tier
What major art or aleksib won to be in S tier?
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You don't have to win a major to be a good igl
Karrigan never won one yet is regarded as one of the best igls and its had to win a major when they have all been won by astralis for the last few years
Judging it from majors you would also be saying that happy is still an s tier igl despite the fact he has literally been team less for a year now
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I didn't ask about "good igl' but about "S tier".
So I'm asking again : What major art or aleksib won to be in S tier?
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The good old ”Messi not great because he hasnt won a world cup” argument.
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I didn't ask about "great" but about "S tier".
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Niko above tier C LOL. How could you put him in the same category as MSL and Stan also they should be way higher
Pronax, gla1ve, Fallen>rest
and where am I
cadian and tabsen should swap
