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Cheat in pro scene
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Hungary raffai 
Sooooo. After the coach bug, which seems to be known around the pro scene, a lot of coach used is, i was wondering, what if a lot of pro player used to cheat, they just didn't report each other. IDK, but it's still hard to believe for me that flusha never ever cheated, for example. And im sure programmers can make expensive undetected cheats for good prize
2020-10-29 22:12
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Asia loveall
If someone cheats, it eventually comes out.
2020-10-29 22:14
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Lithuania rainb0b
Flusha would like to talk
2020-10-29 22:15
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what i always say about Flusha is while it's almost certain at this stage that he was cheating he got out before he was caught and we will never find any hard evidence like stuff installed on his pc etc
2020-10-30 16:57
Coach bug was out for more than 3 years until one guy found it by mistake and realized that many coaches used that by purpose. Same happened with Armstrong, he did more than 300 test while he was competing and all of them said he was legit, but after more than 10 years someone decided to try a new technique with a frozen sample and got a match. You can watch Icarus and you'll find how russian olympic team was cheating since forever and they just discovered because one guy decided to blow his life and tell the truth. I mean, at the end, is just a matter of coincidence to find someone cheating, something that's pretty doable online.
2020-10-29 22:21
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1++++++++++++ cs community most ignorant ever
2020-10-29 22:24
2 replies
+1
2020-10-29 22:26
+1
2020-10-30 19:56
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Asia loveall
Yes you are right on that. I should've written 'sometimes'.
2020-10-29 22:36
+1
2020-10-29 23:40
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Russia Rapu
>You can watch Icarus and you'll find how russian olympic team was cheating since forever and >they just discovered because one guy decided to blow his life and tell the truth. Dude, do you really believe that? It's just a political game.
2020-10-30 09:40
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Source: Vladimir Putin Nice try bro. The mastermind behind the plan said when, how and give it all the details to WADA, they did the trial and found that everything was true, some died from heart attacks while all of this was happening and the other one, is under witness protection to avoid getting murdered, but everything is false and just a political game. Ok. Btw, I'm not saying only Russia are the bad guys, because USA, China or any other country could do the same, but what's a fact, is that Russia was doing a mass doping program, that's why there are sanctions against their Olympic team.
2020-10-30 10:26
#116
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Finland naamapaab
Flag
2020-10-30 12:55
#5
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Brazil Fulmini
do you believe in flat earth?
2020-10-29 22:15
4 replies
#7
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Lithuania rainb0b
Earth is a triangle
2020-10-29 22:16
2 replies
Fak i thought its a Donut :(
2020-10-29 22:23
1 reply
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Turkey rcepk
+1
2020-10-30 00:17
nt maikelele
2020-10-30 08:56
Look at the perf chart of Heroic : hltv.org/team/7175/heroic Compare it to the arrival of online competitions with close to zero anti-cheat measures. Think about all this teams / players almost unknwown before and who are suddenly the reference in terms of skill and game-reading. Remember that cheat in the pro scene was already a thing before the online era. The only question left is : will Valve will be brave enough and spend enough money to catch and publicly denounce the cheaters ? The thing that makes me laugh these days is how some awper hit almost 100% of their unscope shots. It's odd how it doesn't work for me even on motionless bots. Maybe being pro gives better unscope accuracy, just like it allows to make your deagle shots 100% accurate on long range even tho the weapon is not coded this way ?
2020-10-29 22:24
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dont agree with 4th paragraph but heroic is suss af
2020-10-29 22:29
+1
2020-10-29 22:29
"how some awper hit almost 100% of their unscope shots. It's odd how it doesn't work for me even on motionless bots" Right. You are the pro and they are just lucky...
2020-10-29 23:03
BIG is much better example than Heroic. hltv.org/team/7532/big
2020-10-29 23:28
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I took the current top 1 but it applies for many teams and players including of course BIG. they used to be trash and they became the most skilled players online... The money here is just too big and the risks too low for noone in the subtop taking the risk of cheating, just like in pro sports.
2020-10-29 23:55
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Australia lo0u
"It's odd how it doesn't work for me even on motionless bots." Are you serious? Either you're absolute trash or you're lying. It's VERY easy to hit no scopes if you practice them, especially at close range while crouching. All you've gotta do is practice and you're talking about guys with 15+k hours in the game who are MUCH better than the best players you'll ever meet in the highest levels of Faceit, etc. smh
2020-10-29 23:33
10 replies
Are retard or trolling ? Noscopes are random, practice randomness as much as you wish, it will stay random.
2020-10-29 23:50
9 replies
Its not as random as you think, you can hit a lot of noscopes if you practice it
2020-10-30 04:04
8 replies
True. Noscopes are way more accurate than I thought when I was new to the game. These days I hit 9/10 noscopes when I’m feeling it even on midrange
2020-10-30 08:51
1 reply
just put a black dot on the center of the screen
2020-10-30 16:54
haha ur delusional. Only way for u to find out that its not like that is to draw a dot in the middle of your monitor and shoot noscopes while aiming directly at the bots. Only then u will see that its random...
2020-10-30 08:55
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It is random, but its not as random as you think, the noscopes dont spread that much and are usually hittable if you just aim at the middle of the body. You can go test it for yourself, there is a reason people like s1mple actually practices it, but I guess keep acting retarded
2020-10-30 14:31
4 replies
well at point blank range ofc that u have better chance of hittting it. I think this guy was saying about mid range no scopes...
2020-10-30 16:43
3 replies
Mid ranges are also quite accurate, you can check
2020-10-30 16:48
2 replies
why even use scope then...
2020-10-30 16:54
1 reply
Cause its a lot easier+100% acurracy?
2020-10-30 19:52
Or maybe heroic just good...
2020-10-29 23:37
9 replies
Maybe. Maybe they suddenly went from trash to best team in the world when the competitions switch to online and the anti cheats measures went off with hard work only. But maybe with hundred of thousands of dollars at stake and zero legal risks some guys from the subtop yielded to temptation, like some pros did before and like pro do in every other sport in the world. I'm not saying they are cheating for sure, not at all, but we would be utterly naive to believe that everyone is clean during the online era.
2020-10-29 23:59
8 replies
We'll get used to it because they are legit. And aren't they playing all of this on esea servers or something? With actually good anticheat?
2020-10-30 01:55
5 replies
rofl ok, you must be right, everyone knows it's impossible to cheat on a secured sever, my bad sorry
2020-10-30 03:19
4 replies
Yeah, because they have all these admins and anticheat software that does fuck all rofl
2020-10-30 03:34
3 replies
Anti cheats are really far behind against the best cheat makers in csgo
2020-10-30 04:07
an anticheat must be on the server and players should pay for their own equipment, which the tournament organizer itself orders from the manufacturer and this is on lan. there is no defense against kernel type cheat software, hence everybody playing online is suspect. anticheats don't detect them unless the anticheat itself is intrusive and customers generally don't want that, because then the ac will have access to well, everything you do on your computer.
2020-10-30 09:21
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Esea anticheat is intrusive
2020-10-30 12:47
cold, fer, taco, fnx, all these guys came outta nowhere no? From Kabum or w/e the fk their name was, then LG and then they won majors when they were no namers.
2020-10-30 03:37
G2 is clean AF .
2020-10-30 04:34
"The thing that makes me laugh these days is how some awper hit almost 100% of their unscope shots. It's odd how it doesn't work for me even on motionless bots. Maybe being pro gives better unscope accuracy" KennyS cheater then?
2020-10-30 00:16
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KennyS has performed well since he was a kid ans has proved himself in the most secured tournaments year after year. But guys, imagine the pressure this kids have to stay at the top, to perform event after event. And the financial incentive. It's silly to imagine that NONE of them has ever given in. Just like coaches with the temptatio, of using the bug. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some seasoned pros have cheated at some point of their pro career.
2020-10-30 04:42
both heroic and big charts make sense. after a player switch it takes time to adjust and build stable team with the new player. that being said tho, heroic is very sus sometimes
2020-10-30 03:51
Navi rekt everyone on Katowice 2020, and every player from navi rekt everyone else from opponents, prove me wrong. Last LAN....no chitink
2020-10-30 04:00
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navi go online, and get rekt by everyone
2020-10-30 04:18
Valve wouldn't do anything about heroic because they're danish team . I'm sure pros knew about this BUG issue.
2020-10-30 04:36
#91
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Sweden Lagge15
The team of Heroic got together after the Online Era started. How is it even possible to compare it to LAN when the last LAN played was more than a month before they got together?
2020-10-30 06:27
If pros were cheating, Valve would NEVER tell the community. They would silence it because it would probably have been the greatest gaming scandal ever.
2020-10-29 22:38
8 replies
This
2020-10-29 22:54
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Australia lo0u
Yeah, because pros have never been Vac banned in this game... smh
2020-10-29 23:37
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But those guys only had accounts vac-banned, Valve never said when, where or how. Who knows, maybe those pros only cheated in mm or something like that. I'm talking about if pros were caught cheating in majors. If that happened, Valve would say nothing, I 100% guarantee you.
2020-10-30 00:05
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#53
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Australia lo0u
Dude, a Vac ban is the ultimate offense to a player. If you get one you're done for good. There are active players right now who have been banned in tournaments, but can still compete because they didn't get a VAC ban. Again, PLAYERS HAVE ALREADY BEEN VAC BANNED. It's a fact you can't deny. Valve will never say anything, because they never say anything at all. They will just issue a vac ban to the account and it's over. What, are you going to tell me, that Valve has dedicated employees that keep track of csgo pros' accounts to prevent them from receiving an automatic vac ban? Are you fucking kidding me?
2020-10-30 00:08
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They can all compete, just not in majors, last time I checked. Jamppi has a vac-ban and still competed with ENCE. KQLY also made a small comeback but nothing exciting happened. Emilio also played for a couple of smaller teams but just like KQLY; no success.
2020-10-30 00:09
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#55
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Australia lo0u
Exaclty, because they received a VAC ban. You're pretty much done if you get one. Jamppi didn't even get one himself, but since he owned the account, his career is compromised. That by itself already shuts down completely the notion that Valve is protecting these "cheater pros" in the scene. Valve has NOTHING to lose by convicting cheaters. They could kill CSGO today and they would still be fine. Come on.
2020-10-30 00:13
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Man, slow down when you are reading. You are answering comments that I haven't even made. Your answers are full of fallacies. You are not ''done'' just because you can't play in majors. Most tournaments are NOT majors and that means that you can play A LOT of tournaments.
2020-10-30 00:14
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+1 majors are really trash in terms of money, but the spirit of competition is the highest
2020-10-30 04:10
kjearbye use RCS
2020-10-29 22:39
3 replies
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
nt murilo
2020-10-29 22:41
1 reply
true
2020-10-29 22:41
+1
2020-10-30 16:55
juho clip is 100% proof of cheat
2020-10-29 22:41
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Canada JC_123
you can't cheat on VAC secured servers.
2020-10-29 22:46
3 replies
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Germany PxulRq
+1 haha
2020-10-29 23:00
game servers aren't anticheat secured btw
2020-10-30 08:57
+1 this sentence is almost like see this green grass, it's blue
2020-10-30 16:56
2020-10-29 22:53
10 replies
Wow
2020-10-29 23:14
Problem with this video is that we're on 2020, that was possible since 2015 and some pros had hack devs as friends or some devs pointed people like Flusha but nothing happened. It's obvious some people used back in those days and seeing some of the powerups happening on this online era, I'm sure some are using them now too. youtube.com/watch?v=hfY7x93E6fo
2020-10-29 23:24
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I would say so as well. The thing which is happeinng in my opinion, without any evidence, just a feeling and from what I know, is this: Valve didnt think of any other way to protect pro scene against cheats, until it was too late. Now, I would say you have too many cheaters, so if they blow up one man, the rest might go as well, either he will say something or other stuff. And Valve clearly doesnt want the scene to get destroyed, so what they do is nothing. Otherwise, I have no understandings for them not even trying anything new, and assuring viewers and fans, that its all good and they have it under control. But thats just what I think is possible.
2020-10-29 23:29
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I think the scene is littered with cheats, and Valve wont ban a single pro unless they really have to, as it hurts the integrity of the pro scene. It's way beyond point of no return. Fully automatic aimbots with an array of built in ,automatic again, intel gathering/delivering tricks.
2020-10-29 23:34
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Agree.
2020-10-29 23:35
Well, they can't do shit if everyone is playing from home and they cannot check pc or room, that's why they allowed coaches to talk, because they had no way to prevent that, since you can use a different channel from the official with admin or you can use other devices, so it's easier to allow it for everybody. Saying this, I really doubt the scene is rotten, I'm sure there are some people cheating here and there on pro scene (a lot on semipro level), specially now that's online and you can do it 99% safe, at least is what it feels seeing some players that were under average on LAN struggling against T2 teams becoming gods now winning all the duels against best aimers on the game.
2020-10-29 23:34
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Well, i dont know. In my opinion it might be rotten and it might not. I would say, that some teams do use it really smartly and whole team knows about it. As such teams I would say BIG and Astralis at least. And then some individual players. Yeah, its hard, when they play from home. But idk, at least say something, that you are evolving new anti-cheat sw or something, some other way. It was always like that hackers created something better, whch could overrun the anti-cheat, then they had to make new anti-cheat which would detect those cheats, and over and over again. Imo they dont do it on purpose.
2020-10-29 23:41
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Those kinds of tournaments use some private anticheats that are good and reliable because their code is not known, or it shouldn't, that's the best you can get as ac. Problem is, that if you inject the cheats before the anticheat, they are going to be impossible to detect, specially if they work with any external that does the work. Obviously, those are not the kind of cheats you'll see on mm, but if you make 20k x month, you can find some smart devs that know how to do it and load them at bios level even before windows start. It doesn't matter if you're Valve, Riot or Microsoft, if they use an unknown bug to inject, you cannot patch it or find it.
2020-10-30 00:56
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yea exactly. no anticheat is going to detect kernel type cheats unless if the anticheat is VERY INTRUSIVE, which means that its going to be a huge security risk for the customer.
2020-10-30 09:48
when I read about how easy cheats can be to make and consequently how hard it is to detect them I grew very disillusioned with the csgo scene tbh.
2020-10-29 22:59
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Croatia mds818
trust me i really want to ask you badly whatever if you own a car or not but then again it's hltv...
2020-10-30 01:03
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pm me
2020-10-30 01:31
Niko from heroic is doubtfull af lmao. Those reactions are not possible by a human beeing imo
2020-10-29 23:09
No, cheating is for losers
2020-10-29 23:29
They shouldnt be reporting on each others, ever. It's a business, and if they publicly suspect another player of cheating, they will devalue the scene, IE, they are indirectly forcing a wagecut upon themselves.. That's why their opinion about the matter is irrelevant. They will be financially smart and say "it's all clean" and this they do.
2020-10-29 23:30
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Australia lo0u
Tell that to the brazilian players.
2020-10-29 23:36
#64
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Croatia mds818
it's not that simple
2020-10-30 01:03
Everyone but the players are getting banned for cheating, what a surprise.
2020-10-29 23:34
1 reply
#73
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Canada JC_123
It is because they are not cheating Hope this helps!
2020-10-30 03:39
I don't let schizoid theories about cheating ruin the fun of getting to see the best players in the world battle it out.
2020-10-30 00:10
i don't usually believe these conspiranoic type theories about a lot of pros cheating rn and in the past but some of them are really plausible, especially now in the current online environment. there ought to be at least one of them in one of these teams imo
2020-10-30 00:19
3 replies
lol elige fan
2020-10-30 03:53
2 replies
???????????????????? Reply needs to have actual content
2020-10-30 12:49
1 reply
youtube.com/watch?v=PtV82gJPTSU your skull needs actual content
2020-11-02 17:21
#63
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Croatia mds818
Whatever if someone's going to like the answer or not I don't really care but the only reason why someone's accusing someone else of cheating is mainly because they're being subjective for whichever reason, the "newest" example of that was Leaf and we all know how that ended... you can whine about flusha cheating or anyone else I couldn't really care less, I could whine about cold, simple, xyz from astralis or anyone else cheating but guess what? No one gives a fuck because people are not stupid, those with any proper game sense are able to understand how certain fishy play happened and those who don't have game sense, honestly who gives a fuck about them? If you have 500 hours and you're going to call out someone with 10k hours a cheater just fuck off and go back to where you came from, and regarding certain "Pros" calling each other out.. cmon, only ones which call out people for cheats are either those who failed in cs or got banned for matchfixing/cheating theirself.. so if you want to put your trust into someone who lost it from everyone else, go on.
2020-10-30 01:01
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Absolutely, back when I gamed all day and got good at older CS my gamesense was my strongest asset, when I feeling good I felt like I was wall hacking and pros would have even better sense than myself of course. I have watched countless hours of pro 1.6 and CSGO and other games, the only thing that bothers me about CSGO especially during 2015-2017 and a lesser extent today, is the weird illogical mouse movement for some of these pros, some pros have had countless examples of weird shit and most pros say for example f0rest has nothing weird about him. During this time we had locks, shaking and other weird movement, but past 2 years these things have dramatically become less how is that possible? Flusha excuse was "i lift my mouse a lot" well he sure as shit doesn't lift his mouse now does he, I can't imagine he changed his aiming style overnight. So all this weird mouse movements have been minimalised, I can think of two scenrios. The players were warned behind closed doors to stop, which is the smart thing to do to keep a good image of the game. Or the cheats are smarter. That's it. I struggle to believe that CSGO has been dirty in, match fixing, coaches bug, ghosting, ddosing etc but the only clean part of the sport is the players themselves. And for the people who want proof and will defend their heroes to the death it will never come out. The only proof you're after if it either comes from players mouth or if valve starts banning people which will never happen because it's horrible business.
2020-10-30 04:38
Oh yeah ? What about all the pros that publicly said that flusha was a cheater when he was dominating the scene then ? Or do you consider players like shox or ex NiP as people who "failed on the scene" ? Or are they noobs with 500h ? And your comment doesn't make sense since top pro players have already been caught. The only question is : when you can earn hundred of thousands and risk almost nothing, why wouldn'rt you go for it ?
2020-10-30 04:34
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#94
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Croatia mds818
youtu.be/Z-tZALx_F24 3:41 enjoy Also fuck off if you can't make a valid argument salty boi
2020-10-30 08:50
3 replies
I don't see how that changes anything to the fats that you were saying bullshit and that even top pros think that some of them are cheating.
2020-10-30 09:27
2 replies
#104
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Croatia mds818
underline THINK
2020-10-30 09:32
1 reply
You said "regarding certain "Pros" calling each other out.. cmon, only ones which call out people for cheats are either those who failed in cs or got banned for matchfixing/cheating theirself.." I pointed out that it was wrong. You are wrong, stop struggling and accept the facts snowflake.
2020-10-30 09:39
#90
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Philippines EDBX
Not disagreeing with you overall, but I think Shox called out Flusha before or am I remembering that wrong?
2020-10-30 04:52
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#93
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Croatia mds818
but people also called shox out and there're clips of him "cheating" on yt... i mean frankly, you could say for any player at his peak that he's cheating
2020-10-30 08:48
Syrson has joined the chat
2020-10-30 03:35
I know astralis ceo exposed heroic and other teams, but he didn't mention mibr cuz too much drama.
2020-10-30 06:47
Syrson is cheating 100%
2020-10-30 09:29
My opinion on the pro scene scenes is that players know how to secure cheats for such tournaments, and if what starix said is true that flusha cheated and valve covers it, then every 3 on the pro scene cheats. My opinion
2020-10-30 12:52
You can't cheat on VAC secured servers
2020-10-30 16:50
how much
2020-10-30 16:51
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