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s1mple vs Zywoo - My humble take
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Asia SWARN151 
This is a relatively long post. It is an ardent request to the ones with the attention span of a fly to not attempt to read this, lest their minds go haywire :) I - Against different teams (comparison - It is a factor used in HLTV Top20 Calculation) Source: s1mple: hltv.org/stats/players/7998/s1mple?start.. Zywoo: hltv.org/stats/players/11893/zywoo?start.. (See featured ratings below the stats, or simply use filter from left-side selection panel) 1) Against Top 5 teams s1mple (1.30 rating in 36 maps) > Zywoo (1.26 rating in 30 maps). s1mple played more against top5 teams, compared to Zywoo and still has more rating 2) Against Top10 teams s1mple (1.26 rating in 74 maps) >= Zywoo (1.26 rating in 57 maps). s1mple played more against top10 teams, compared to Zywoo, still has same rating 3) Against Top20 teams s1mple (1.30 rating in 113 maps) > Zywoo (1.26 in 116 maps). 4) Against Top30 teams s1mple (1.28 rating in 150 maps) > Zywoo (1.27 in 152 maps). 5) s1mple and Zywoo same rating against top 50, but who cares about top50, so excluding that. II - s1mple (Navi) vs Zywoo (Vitality) 2020 tournament victory comparison (It is a factor used in HLTV Top20 calculation): Source: liquipedia.net/counterstrike/S-Tier_Tour.. liquipedia.net/counterstrike/A-Tier_Tour.. Navi - 2 Tier1 (called S-Tier) tournaments with 1st position/winner placings. Vitality ZERO Tier1 tournaments with ZERO 1st placings: 1) Blast Premier Spring Series 2020 Regular Season - NAVI joint-1st position. 2) IEM Katowice 2020 - biggest global tournament of 2020. s1mple official MVP of tournament, with highest rating. Navi - 1 A-Tier tournament (Tier2) victory, and Vitality ZERO (Tier2) tournament victory. Also, just for information, CS Summit, Dreamhack Open 2020 are all A-tier (Tier2) tournaments, officially speaking (verifiable in the above source mentioned): 1) WePlay Clutch Island 2020 - Navi winner (against Team Spirit, who beat Vitality by the way in EPL-12) OVERALL: 1) Winner/1st position: Navi: 2 (S-Tier) tournaments and 1 (A-Tier) tournament, vs Vitality 0 tournaments. 2) 2nd place (runners-up): Navi 2 tournaments (1 S-Tier and 1 A-Tier) vs Vitality 4 tournaments (2 S-Tier and 2 A-Tier). I really feel sad for Vitality to be honest. They should have won some of these :( III - Direct HLTV Comparison (Obviously used in HLTV Rankings Compilation) Source: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. 1) s1mple: higher overall rating, higher impact rating, higher KDR, as per official HLTV comparison (check above) 2) Zywoo has 0.15 opening kills per round and s1mple has 0.14 opening kills per round, but s1mple has 64.7% success rate in opening duels, compared to Zywoo's 62.1% success rate (verifiable by filtering through opening kills in left-panel) 3) Pistol player: Zywoo 1.42 rating > s1mple 1.40 rating. Yes, more success currently, but s1mple was at number 1 before IEM NY 2020 (1.43 to 1.40 drop). After IEM NY 2020, his stats went down and Zywoo's stats went up in DreamHack(1.41 to 1.42), but anyway, at the moment, zywoo is ahead. 4) Look at rating 1.0 graph comparison (in the link, in the form section). Rating 1.0 is based on ADR, KDR, Multi-kill rounds, and KAST. s1mple's consistency >> Zywoo's consistency in 2020 (s1mple has lesser standard deviation from the statistical mean) IV - Current HLTV Standings (Till current date) hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01.. (No explanation needed, I believe. Anyway, s1mple's rating heavily fell in IEM NY, while Zywoo's ratings rose in DH because of strong performance. Currently, s1mple ahead of Zywoo, due to micro-advantages, but same rating for both) V - Highest Rated Tournaments for s1mple and Zywoo (tournaments with player having highest overall rating) (It is an important factor for HLTV Top20 calculation) Source: Attaching no source, because I am tired of writing this long post. But one can verify, if needed. s1mple 4 highest-rated tournament performances < Zywoo 6 highest-rated tournament performances. But s1mple won 3 tournaments, and also official MVP of IEM Katowice (only MVP tournament of 2020). Sadly for Zywoo, he couldn't convert any performance to a victory for the team. So, overall, YES, s1mple and Zywoo, TILL RIGHT NOW. Still many tournaments to come, in 2020 PS: I had posted this as a comment in a thread. But then I decided to make it a post. Open to any logical debates, suggestions, or meaningful discussions. I won't engage with any haters or trollers, from either side. Stay strong and have a nice day:)
2020-10-30 12:00
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#1
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Brazil mig1
Thats too much text Pls simplify
2020-10-30 12:00
57 replies
#10
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Asia SWARN151
1) s1mple better against top5, equal to Zywoo against top10, better against top20, better against top30. 2) More tournament victories/1st placings (3) vs Zywoo (0) 3) Some stats comparison, directly from HLTV 4) Current Standings, directly from HLTV 5) Zywoo had 6 highest-rated tournaments in 2020 > s1mple's 4. But, s1mple won 3 tournaments, with MVP in IEM Katowice. Conclusion: #1 for s1mple, #2 for Zywoo, till Now
2020-10-30 12:07
56 replies
simple 1.30 rating against top5? rofl. hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01..
2020-10-30 12:10
5 replies
#17
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Asia SWARN151
Yes, but as I mentioned, in the featured ratings on both the player profiles, the above numbers are mentioned. Would be great if you could find out the reason, and enlighten all of us :)
2020-10-30 12:13
4 replies
stats in players profiles are from last 3 months?
2020-10-30 12:23
3 replies
Device >>>>>>>> s0mple and ZyWho
2020-10-30 14:16
2 replies
#82
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Europe mAngOnice
2020-10-30 16:14
Who?
2020-10-30 18:28
#16
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Portugal 69_mL
+1 also s1mple 1.41 K/D Ratio ZywOo 1.31 K/D Ratio
2020-10-30 12:11
45 replies
kd means shit. This basically means that simple often gets eco frags and exit frags which have low multiplier. That is why his 2.0 rating is much lower than his kd.
2020-10-30 12:15
44 replies
#19
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Portugal 69_mL
I didn't ask you a shit it's just a facts
2020-10-30 12:16
43 replies
facts that are not that important in rating.
2020-10-30 12:17
42 replies
#21
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Portugal 69_mL
only for u
2020-10-30 12:18
41 replies
hltv rating takes into consideration stats like adr, 2.0 rating, opening kills ratio... KD is not impactful like those stats.
2020-10-30 12:19
40 replies
#23
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Portugal 69_mL
#19 I didn't ask you a shit
2020-10-30 12:20
39 replies
braindead simple fan spotted.
2020-10-30 12:20
37 replies
#26
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Portugal 69_mL
reported ugly kid
2020-10-30 12:21
35 replies
gO nAvI gO0oo.
2020-10-30 12:22
34 replies
#28
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Portugal 69_mL
I see this facts hurts you a fuck s1mple 1.41 K/D Ratio ZywOo 1.31 K/D Ratio gO nAvI gO0oo +1
2020-10-30 12:23
33 replies
simple will probably be top1 this year. Im ok with that. But the fact that some braindead people praice his kd, shows that navi fans are mostly little kids who know nothing about cs.
2020-10-30 12:25
32 replies
#36
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Portugal 69_mL
you acting like a toxic kid and call me braindead simple fan when I just teling some FACTS if it's dosent mean shit for you thats ok but why you acting like that after? LOL this facts hurts you a fuck cry more kid s1mple 1.41 K/D Ratio ZywOo 1.31 K/D Ratio
2020-10-30 12:30
31 replies
bringing those facts in the top1 hltv topic makes u look stupid.
2020-10-30 12:32
30 replies
#43
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Portugal 69_mL
bringing the idea that hltv rating 2.0 is somthing perfect for you and it's can not be wrong makes u look more whorse that simple "stupid".
2020-10-30 12:37
29 replies
ZywOo > 1.35 impact s0mple > 1.33 impact
2020-10-30 12:50
7 replies
#54
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Portugal 69_mL
still s1mple 1.41 K/D Ratio ZywOo 1.31 K/D Ratio
2020-10-30 13:16
6 replies
#85
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Denmark pluskyyy
Damn portuguese are really dumb holy shit
2020-10-30 16:22
5 replies
#87
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Portugal 69_mL
I am not portuguese from origin nt kid
2020-10-30 16:25
4 replies
#98
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Denmark pluskyyy
nvm then, you're just dumb
2020-10-30 16:55
3 replies
#99
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Portugal 69_mL
the fact that you can't argue your opinion makes you worse
2020-10-30 16:58
2 replies
#101
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Denmark pluskyyy
Argue with what? You're comparing k/d with impact, there is nothing to argue when someone says the sky isn't blue, lol
2020-10-30 18:02
1 reply
#102
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Portugal 69_mL
Impact Rating - updated formula based on multi-kills, opening kills, 1onX wins and more k/d - kills / dead dif Both of them can change rating 2.0, it's means that we can compare them... Those components were chosen through research because they provide a good balance between favoring statistics that more directly lead to winning rounds (such as multi-kills, damage and just kills in general) and statistics that are a result of less impactful but consistent contribution (such as KAST and surviving). once again, the fact that you can't argue your opinion makes you worse then "just dumb"
2020-10-30 18:21
rating 2.0 counts kd, but kd parameter has much lower impact than other stats. Rating 1.0 was based mostly on kd. So having 16-2 kd at the end of the map was giving u 6.0 rating in 1.0 version (as if u played like 6 players together, which is bullshit). This is pure example that kd is not a good scale. With new rating 2.0 getting 16-2 kd will result into something like 2.5 rating if adr, kast... are also high. This rating looks like a good scale. That is why kd is not that important in the grand scheme of things.
2020-10-30 12:50
20 replies
#53
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Portugal 69_mL
exactly but you don't need to expleine me that since I am here from 2008. k/d is one of the piece of ranking, and must be ofc!!! but again, idea that kd is not that important in the grand scheme of things can be wronge. and finaly put on your head kid, when I comparing k/d it's dosent mean I am talking in 1.0 version, maybe I am talking in 3.0 or 4.0! finaly you can put that thing in your head before you repply to me when I didn't ask you a fuck...
2020-10-30 13:14
19 replies
"kid". Im 22 btw. I watch/play cs since 2009. If u are watching cs since 2008 u should understand how kd became useless. U are just too stupid or just a newfag + liar. U didnt ask for my comments but u still keep answering. Stop embarrassing urself and accept that writing comment about kd in this thread was a braindead idea. There is no fucking way the guy with brain who is here since 2008 writes that shit...
2020-10-30 13:59
18 replies
#61
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Portugal 69_mL
+1 646 474 4379 viber newfag + liar? I am 29 and ofc I can prove that you are low iq or what? again kid, bringing the idea that hltv rating 2.0 is somthing perfect for you and it's can not be wrong makes u look more whorse that simple "stupid". Stop embarrassing urself and accept that FACT. There is no fucking way the guy with brain who is here since 2009 thinking that 2.0 version is something untouchable and "k/d means shit." (#18) so mb caling me "braindead" was wrong idea and only one here "braindead" is it you?! how about that, ugly kid?
2020-10-30 14:13
17 replies
link me ur steam profile i'll add u. There is no way 29 yo guy who is in cs since 2008 doesnt know that kd is useless stat. Besides that. I want to know when u have bought cs go. Link me ur profile. If u really have good steam profile (with at least 1k hours in cs 1.6 and 2k+ hours in cs go), then u are just an idiot with 0 cs knowledge.
2020-10-30 14:24
16 replies
#72
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Portugal 69_mL
good excuses "braindead" kid now is it about cs hours? are you serious???? did you just don't understand a fact that I support that k/d is one of the piece of ranking, and must be?! did you just don't understand that idea when kd is not that important in the grand scheme of things, can be just wronge?! did you don't understand a fact that when I comparing k/d it's dosent mean "I am talking in 1.0 version"??? did you just don't understand that hltv rating 2.0 is NOT somthing perfect and it's can be wrong???! or just updated to 3.0 when kd will mean MORE or something? I did't tell you is it wrong for 100% BUT you acting here like is it something untouchable I want to see you stupid face before link my cs profile if it's realy important for you but I think you dont have any balls to do that!!! I think you only can talk before monitor and that makes you feel like you don't have to acept others opinions and call them "braindead" ... but I just proved you here who is the real BRAINDEAD ugly kid with low IQ THAT IS A FACT ATM
2020-10-30 14:52
15 replies
Pussy. Im calling u right now from viber. Maybe u will start talking instead of staying in silence? Why do u end the call without a word. Nice fake flag but that was obvious u are Maxim from Ukraine. Fucking exposed. Ok, I'll explain that here , bcuz u are pussy. 1. KD already is a part of rating 2.0. It just has not much impact. 2. idea that kd is worthless came from games where jks have played against girls where he would have stats as if 20 players have played instead of him alone. 3. Yes, u are talking about rating 1.0 cuz it was kd based. 4. Rating 2.0 is far from perfect but its 20 times better than simple kd.
2020-10-30 15:03
14 replies
#75
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Portugal 69_mL
What a lier I acept 2 calls to my viber from diferent numbers and no bady talking +1 646 474 4379 #72 I just proved you here who is the real BRAINDEAD ugly kid with low IQ THAT IS A FACT ATM
2020-10-30 15:06
13 replies
Next time dont be a pussy and answer the call from the first time. And fix ur voice. u sounded like u shit ur pants. CYA PS I tried my best in the call. Seems like u dont want to understand what im trying to prove due to the fact u are biased towards navi.
2020-10-30 15:51
12 replies
#79
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Portugal 69_mL
I answer the call from the first time and I explained why u didnt heart me after. I fixed the problem and caled to you and we talked 40 minutes so wtf you talking about? for me your voice sounded whorse bealive me PS You traied your best but still BRAINDEAD ugly kid with low IQ in my eyes and I proved why CYA
2020-10-30 16:00
11 replies
I know that deep inside u know Im right in this situation. BTW I have bass voice while u had soprano voice like if u were about to cry. And I can understand that, because u clearly didnt expect me to call.
2020-10-30 16:03
10 replies
#83
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Portugal 69_mL
and deep inside u know when "I about to cry" in your opinion I just called you out dumbass idiot and others bad names when you just accept it and only talked me don't cry... pussy yes I didn't expect you to call, I EXPECTED VIDEO CALL "I want to see your stupid face" "I think you only can talk before monitor and that makes you feel like you don't have to acept others opinions and call them "braindead" ..." #72 PUSSY
2020-10-30 16:16
8 replies
U want to look cool in comments. But we both know who u were in the call. Ur crumbling voice will not allow u to be cool.
2020-10-30 16:32
7 replies
#89
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Portugal 69_mL
I still waiting a VIDEO CALL from you brain dead kid Talking behind monitor it's all what you can do in your life
2020-10-30 16:36
6 replies
U can make a video call whenever u want . I'll accept.
2020-10-30 16:38
5 replies
#94
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Portugal 69_mL
but you wrote here "Next time don't be a pussy and answer the call from the first time." so what is your point? I explained before why u wrong U want to look cool in comments? If I asked you for VIDEO CALL and you trying to ARGUMENT that I am a pussy AFTER 40 min OF TALKING, that is dosent mean that you are a pure braindead???
2020-10-30 16:46
4 replies
Im alvays here if u want to look at me . Like anytitime
2020-10-30 16:51
3 replies
#96
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Portugal 69_mL
still didn't answer to me about my previous arguments
2020-10-30 16:53
2 replies
I cant see anything
2020-10-30 16:55
1 reply
#100
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Portugal 69_mL
you can copy
2020-10-30 16:59
You guys are both not right, k/d is necessary, but there are other aspects. In 2008 you could outplay with your mind, now you can do it too, But both in 2008 and in 2020 it'll be easier to outplay with both, good aim and well mind state, so no reasons to conflict, you both understand that rating isn't showing game sense, it's just showing individual perfomances or utility usage during the game. Rating will be the complete stat when they will add smth like lurk kills and realisation of positions, etc. or something like this. Guys, don't make a quarrel out of this crap, please, no reason to be toxic
2020-10-30 16:24
Flag actually doesn’t check out wtf
2020-10-30 15:53
an actual incel :D
2020-10-30 13:35
#45
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Poland Recruitn1
Tournament wins don't matter lmfao HLTV uses Individual stats
2020-10-30 12:40
2 replies
#49
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Asia SWARN151
While even I wish this was true, it's not really true. For example, in 2018 s1mple (1.35) was far ahead of device (1.23). So many players had higher stats in multiple categories, compared to device. But, device still came at #2, because of major victories and multiple MVPs. Victories don't matter too much, otherwise device would've been number 1, even though s1mple was far ahead individually. But he did manage to come at #2, ahead of many others, which proves tournament placings, the kind of tournaments, and individual tournament ratings are all important.
2020-10-30 12:57
1 reply
#51
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Poland Recruitn1
due MVP awards not wins
2020-10-30 13:06
#57
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Brazil mig1
Thats a lot of research , congrats Zywoo in the top , vsm in second
2020-10-30 13:31
Bump
2020-10-30 12:01
#3
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Spain SS_SS
u kids have too much freetime, who the fuck cares anyway??????????'
2020-10-30 12:02
1 reply
hltv cares
2020-10-30 14:22
"1) s1mple: higher overall rating, higher impact rating" he hasnt...?
2020-10-30 12:03
8 replies
#6
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Asia SWARN151
The link is attached alongside it.
2020-10-30 12:04
7 replies
2020-10-30 12:05
6 replies
#11
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Asia SWARN151
While the profile pages do indeed suggest otherwise, HLTV official comparison yields other results: hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp..
2020-10-30 12:09
5 replies
Thats kinda interesting :)
2020-10-30 12:10
2 replies
There is a discrepancy because the comparison he used is based on impact 1.0 and is used for the rating 1.0 formula. You are correct in saying that zywoo has the better impact currently. The one on top of the player page uses impact 2.0
2020-10-30 14:27
1 reply
yea that would explain those different numbers and since that 1.0 impact rating is lower(just like 1.0 ratings were lower in general) then it makes sense:)
2020-10-30 14:29
That is impact 1.0 which is less accurate and use for rating 1,0 . They failed to update it.
2020-10-30 14:21
1 reply
#71
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Asia SWARN151
I see. Thank You :)
2020-10-30 14:43
#8
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Finland AleksiBOT
Imagine caring this much about a video game
2020-10-30 12:05
3 replies
Yeah, you care too much for s1mple :)
2020-10-30 12:07
2 replies
#15
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Finland AleksiBOT
And you cry too much about me which is even worse
2020-10-30 12:11
#31
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Poland v1ctorex
ahaha +1
2020-10-30 12:24
good comparision honestly, right now s1mple is slightly above but anything can happen if s1mple starts playing worse and zywoo better
2020-10-30 12:10
Fan of: Natus Vincere Biased thread
2020-10-30 12:24
2 replies
#32
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Poland v1ctorex
hes just showing facts lol
2020-10-30 12:25
#35
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Finland eIe
Name: ibuprofenia Dumb comment
2020-10-30 12:28
#34
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Asia loveall
That is pretty high time investment.
2020-10-30 12:25
#41
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Sweden ShageN
s1mple = highest rating, highest impact and won LAN MVPs + the best individual / team achievements of this year. 1. S1mple 2. Zywoo 3. device
2020-10-30 12:37
Doesnt matter, s0mple will choke everytime when its matters anyway
2020-10-30 12:37
5 replies
French teams and choking a idol duo in 2020
2020-10-30 12:43
4 replies
Sure. We arent comparing french teams to s0mple thso. Zywoo doesnt choke like ur idol.
2020-10-30 12:55
3 replies
#84
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Europe mAngOnice
so zywoo plays in what? spain?
2020-10-30 16:16
2 replies
Brazilia
2020-10-30 18:28
1 iq spotted
2020-10-30 19:56
Ty for thread
2020-10-30 13:10
Bump
2020-10-30 13:19
Nice thread - the only thing with it is it’s a snapshot at a certain point(like all comparisons) and taking them at different times will lead to different outcomes. Also you are comparing someone who has been in pro career for 8 years vs 2 years so a different level of experience and time spent playing(also hours in GO) I do think simple is mechanically better and has a faster reaction time but zywoo is a more complete player. Also if you compared simple at 19 vs zywoo at 19 it’s a different picture. Very nice thread though and +1 for the effort into making it
2020-10-30 13:25
2 replies
I like that you are typing in calm way and not hating like everybody +1 :D BUT He's not comparing someone who has been in pro career for 8 years vs 2 years. But two players and their year 2020. In your logic s1mple would win by far against zywoo cuz 2014,15,16,17,18 better s1mple 2019 better zywoo. Its 5 - 1 :D and device would be king cuz he ist here from beginning. But we are talking just this year here. Nobody cares for how long is who here. ZyWoo is great to be here for 2 years and already was the best player. But you can't just look at experience its just THIS YEAR. Please don't take this as hate I'm just typing nothing else.
2020-10-30 16:40
1 reply
Fair point - I do think simple will take top1 this year unless vitality go crazy at the end of the year and frankly since you’ve complimented me I can’t help but feel a bit flattered haha
2020-10-30 18:24
They are pretty even, but Zywoo is in better form atm imo
2020-10-30 13:46
#62
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Denmark Nt_NoScene
2020 s1mple top 1 for very sure
2020-10-30 14:14
sorry but s1mple is too good at eco fragging
2020-10-30 14:19
Rating 1.0 is not based on ADR or KAST. It is based on KPR, survival and Multikills only. The impact based on comparison is outdated and uses the multikill rating from Rating 1.0. They failed to update that. It is impact 1.0. That is why it is not reflecting the same impact rating in the actual player page
2020-10-30 14:25
Great analysis mens))
2020-10-30 14:56
s0mple’s just better at exit fragging kekw
2020-10-30 15:54
1 reply
nt ruski idiot
2020-10-30 16:39
#81
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Denmark Mursten
you only took stats into consideration. If you look at the teams na'vi play around s1mple and "babysit" him. You'll never see s1mple on a bad gun. He always gets a deagle dropped on eco's for example. If you look at vitality they also play around zywoo but not nearly as much as na'vi does. Therefore s1mple should have better stats than zywoo if they are at the same level
2020-10-30 16:08
#91
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Brazil thypirate
whatever kiddo
2020-10-30 16:39
good researches
2020-10-30 18:30
All of this and yet S1mple will end up behind Zywoo at the end of the year, as usual... S&mple should consider playing in a better team though, wasting his talent now
2020-10-30 18:50
Baiter trash vs. zywho god. Never compare trash to god zywho
2020-10-30 20:09
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Illuminar
2.38
Nemiga
1.43
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2.75
Heroic
1.22
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