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US ELLECTION IS A SHAM
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Brazil IsFree 
Gerrymandering, closing down voting places in big cities, fake news, conspiracy cuckoos and crazy cults everywhere This is everything BUT Democratic
2020-10-30 22:37
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#1
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Brazil IsFree
Anything but* ("everything" might work too, but idk, Im drunk)
2020-10-30 22:38
#2
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Romania wavyyy
war war
2020-10-30 22:38
Asl?
2020-10-30 22:39
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#4
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Brazil IsFree
What? Sign language?
2020-10-30 22:39
name and flair
2020-10-30 22:43
#6
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United States notalt
haha jokes on u democracy is the bad version of rule of the many
2020-10-30 22:44
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United Kingdom alcazar4
+1 democracy sux
2020-10-30 22:46
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#9
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Brazil IsFree
I prefer a failed attempt at justice than just plain old feudalism tbh
2020-10-30 22:47
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United Kingdom alcazar4
justice? since when is allowing the stupidest and most easily manipulated people to have control just? you surely should know better, being from brazil and spending hours trying to counter populist garbage from bolsonaro like the hydroxychloroquine shit. you shouldve picked up by now that its a fruitless endeavour, people are dumb.
2020-10-30 22:50
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#21
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Brazil IsFree
True enough
2020-10-30 23:19
No it is not. See #12
2020-10-30 22:58
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i see it whats the point
2020-10-30 23:09
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You can't say democracy is bad if you never experienced it. The closest exemple of democracy we ever had is Switzerland, and they are doing relatively fine if you ask me.
2020-10-30 23:11
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democracy is the bad version of rule of the many good version is polity
2020-10-30 23:12
hi plato
2020-10-30 23:12
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nvm i mstupid
2020-10-30 23:12
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he probably copied it the concept is from plato's republic
2020-10-30 23:12
trump trying to hold on to power by any means possible
2020-10-30 22:46
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ha, yeah, totally the big problem here, he said with sarcasm thicker than cement
2020-10-31 00:25
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#36
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Brazil IsFree
Sarcasm died when people like you started to expain it
2020-10-31 00:28
Trump is goin up in Pennsylvania xD He is going for win. America great again
2020-10-30 22:56
I know this is a bait thread. But let me give it a drop of seriousness : there is no election which is democratic. Democracy is the people having the power, not the people giving its power to someone representing them.
2020-10-30 22:57
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That's why most country names have "Republic" in them
2020-10-30 23:13
#22
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Brazil IsFree
"People giving its power to someone representing them" is the objective of democracy? Its like seeing a car falling down a cliff and saying "cars are meant to move, so its working as intended"
2020-10-30 23:25
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giving the people's power away is the opposite of democracy actually.
2020-10-30 23:29
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#24
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Brazil IsFree
In greek democracy, yeah, but we have indirect democracy
2020-10-30 23:44
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There is no indirect democracy
2020-10-31 00:03
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#28
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Brazil IsFree
Sure kid you're an expert now congrats, Ill leave the discussion to experts like you
2020-10-31 00:08
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I have a degree on public laws, specialized on comparative constitutional laws, so I am indeed sort of an expert on that subject
2020-10-31 00:10
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#32
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Brazil IsFree
Greek democracy- citizens vote for laws and projects, DIRECTLY influencing society trought vote Indirect Democracy - you vote for individuals which in turn are supposed to represent you in a regional or federal government You may use different terms, but indirect democracy is a thing
2020-10-31 00:12
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Again no, there is no indirect democracy. As soon as you give away your power (to a representative) it is not a democracy anymore. Then there are stages about how far away you are from democracy in representatives systems. And the one most of countries know today, a non imperative system is the more far possible. FYI an imperative system would be : you got elected to do one thing. If you don't you get kicked out. For exemple if after X time Trump did not built the wall, he would have been dismissed. Then there is who can vote. Because the greek "demos" (in democracy) is the people. But what is the people? Are kids not the people? Are non citizens residents or slaves not the people? I didn't made the remark the first time you talked about but even greek city states in their most democratic era were not democracy, as like us, they elected representatives to do the work and only about 10% of their entire population were allowed to vote (way less than in many countries of today).
2020-10-31 00:20
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#35
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Brazil IsFree
Thats cuz they only non slave/servants (helots) were allowed to vote, but it was still thecnically democracy to the "citizens" I think the death of democracy (both greek and our "democracy") was brought by paid politicians. Politics should be facultative and the only payment should be participation And yet you're just choosing to not classify X or Y systems as democracy, but the new concept of democracy is what we have now, of "representative" democracy
2020-10-31 00:27
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The problem is as soon as you limit the size of what you consider the people deserving the power, you limit democracy. Your view seems to agree that if only citizen are considered as the people allowed to have the power then it is fine. But then, if someone consider the king to be the only people allowed to have the power then it should be fine too. That's just a different scale after all. So if one is a democracy to you, then the other one, were only one person has the power, is a democracy too. Which would be quite paradoxal don't you think? I don't classify X or Y as democracy. I just use the definition of democracy and see if it fits X or Y system. What we have now is a representative system (which is the opposite of a democracy) elected by some. You and many, including myself occasionally, will call it a representative democracy, but it is a semantic slippery, as the very creators of our current systems, such as Madison in the US, and their relatives in UK or France (which were the 3 first countries to use an elected representative system) intended. All of these founding fathers were afraid of the masses and what choice they could make. And so all the respresentative system was designed to limit the democracy, yet remaining inclusive enough to be still be able to become the norm of what we call democracy. You won't find any constitutionalist that wouldn't agree wiith that : we do not live in democracies. (And probably never ever will, unless we reach some sort of global hive mind)
2020-10-31 00:40
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#39
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Brazil IsFree
True enough. Then again all social constructs are a bit difficult to classify, like you said, the very terms that define them are somewhat paradoxal
2020-10-31 01:23
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Germany Germania
Democrats eat children and Trump is our lord and savior. #MAGA2020 #SaveOurChildren #GodBlessFacebook
2020-10-30 23:45
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#26
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Brazil IsFree
Case in point
2020-10-30 23:46
Victim mentality democrats are the minority! Trump 2020, 4 more years of success! 😎👍
2020-10-31 00:10
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Estonia mr_abdul
honestly why doesn't US move to e-voting? is the infrastructure really that shit or is it too hard to implement with 330mil population? we've had E-voting since 2005 and its great
2020-10-31 00:12
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Anything that favors better access to voting is opposed by republicans. They know the demographic shifts of the country are going against them so they are holding on in whatever way they can for as long as they can. It’s mind boggling to me that anyone is pro-constitution and pro-voter disenfranchisement. For the Trump voters reading this, disenfranchisement means being deprived of a right or privilege, especially the right to vote. Saved you a google search.
2020-10-31 06:20
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Estonia mr_abdul
that also shows the problem that I never see addressed about US politics, the 2 party system, imo creates so much division and makes it us vs them, eliminates reasons for the parties to cooperate (party coalitions etc). Nowhere in the world (at least in the 1st world afaik) people support their political party so fanatically than in the US, there is no middle ground for people to choose from, you either vote left or right, but for centrists like me there would be no place in american politics, 3rd party vote is just a wasted vote sadly
2020-10-31 06:27
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Australia Ataynu5
As long as Biden wins the world will be ok. Not great, but ok.
2020-10-31 00:45
TRUE
2020-10-31 06:11
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