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gla1ve is not the best igl
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Brazil fallenShere 
Gla1ve is GOAT igl because of 4 majors, I cant deny that, but he has dev1ce (the smartest awper on the scene), dupreeh (best entry fragger), Magisk (a very strong rifler, and probably the best anchor in the game) and xyp9x (clutch minister and best support player of all time). He achieved those things because he is lucky enough to be surrounded by good players. In terms of IGLing, people like Fallen, NiKo, pronax, Xizt were much better igl than him, and if they had a chance to igl Astralis (if they knew danish language) they would have been more successful than gla1ve Change my mind
2020-10-31 01:12
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True, everyone knows steel is the best IGL ever.
2020-10-31 01:13
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+1
2020-10-31 01:14
+1
2020-10-31 01:28
+1
2020-10-31 02:29
#57
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United Kingdom fntlps
+1
2020-10-31 02:29
+1 the canadian one
2020-10-31 02:51
+1 Edit: Have a good day!
2020-10-31 02:59
+1!
2020-10-31 10:29
+1
2020-10-31 10:30
+1
2020-10-31 11:01
#94
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Europe tete4761
steel the clown cheater?
2020-10-31 11:11
1 reply
I don't even know if it sarcasm or not
2020-10-31 11:17
+1 and not even trolling
2020-10-31 14:00
+1
2020-10-31 14:01
never heard of steel
2020-10-31 14:02
name
2020-10-31 16:10
+1
2020-10-31 20:59
name checks out
2020-10-31 21:45
pronax 5 times besser
2020-10-31 01:14
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#67
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Denmark Almoe
pronax won majors when they were 500$ prizepool and most advanced strat "olof kill enemy" sick igl wonder why his career died in 2015
2020-10-31 10:17
1 reply
+1 and drop tec to him
2020-10-31 13:07
never heard of that one either
2020-10-31 14:03
come on, stfu all those players were shitty under Karrigan, gla1ve made them what they are
2020-10-31 01:14
22 replies
device and dupreeh?
2020-10-31 01:15
5 replies
Magisk and Xyp9x, all of them were not even top 20 at the time gla1ve is clearly a genius and can make everyone a good player
2020-10-31 01:16
4 replies
Watching Magisk in that north roster you could see that he has great potential
2020-10-31 01:22
2 replies
ScreaM had potential as well and he chocked most of his career Having the talent doesn't mean you're going to become a talent
2020-10-31 01:23
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i wouldn't say they were shit, main core(dev1ce, dupreeh, xyp) was always so good and consistent. But yes, only gla1ve led them to unreachable success. Also Magisk was and is integral part of their success.
2020-10-31 10:42
#156
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Turkey FELLESS
+1
2020-11-01 10:49
Bad comparasion, because Karrigan never had magisk. When gla1ve had kjaerbye, Astralis wasn't that good, they only won 1 major and 1 big event in 2017. SK and Faze were destroying Astralis every time
2020-10-31 01:17
6 replies
yeah sure. a player thats not even top 5 in his own country is just gonna turn over a top 5 team in the world with his individual ability. dont be that stupid.
2020-10-31 01:20
kjaerbye stayed there not much more than a year and a half If winning a major plus two tournaments is not good in that period (and between 2016-18, with a ton of great teams in their peak), sorry, but I don't really know if you understand the game
2020-10-31 01:26
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#37
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Ukraine ksay
well it wasn't good enough for kjaerbye. isn't it? dev1ce had health issues, dupreeh was awping, kjaerbye was their top rated player and he saw that their roster wasn't going anywhere if you remember when magisk joined the team Astralis were playing very basic cs and still had insane run with dropping only few maps here and there. their skill ceiling went above the roof. that's not really because of the gla1ve. they actually were really lucky with getting magisk. roles made sense once again +honeymoon period
2020-10-31 01:51
2 replies
kjaerbye left because of the $; that's how capitalism works saying that they got lucky is a disrespect to all the work that they did since then
2020-10-31 01:52
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#49
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Ukraine ksay
that's one way of dumbing everything down not gonna argue with you
2020-10-31 01:54
Tsm was literally top 4-8 in so many tourneys....they just had a mental blovkade, no matter how good they were at the time they always choked in semis, that got into their head...
2020-10-31 01:33
5 replies
imagine believing in this kind of #Sh1t
2020-10-31 01:37
4 replies
Mhm shit yeah ok so astralis/tsm/? Was a real shit team, not even close to top 50 hahahaha so bad wtf Is that what u want to hear to feed ur brain bs?
2020-10-31 01:40
3 replies
TSM achieved 5 trophies, 3 of which were played only by 4 teams How can you say that they were good at that time? compared to what they are now? 4 majors? are you brainless?
2020-10-31 01:52
2 replies
Just check their lan achievements, as i said, loads of top 4-8 finishes, dedinitely top 2-4 team of that time, just always choking in semis, just read what i said ffx
2020-10-31 10:16
Even fnatic had a lot of these 4 team tournament trophies.
2020-10-31 13:07
You are clueless,before karrigan they couldnt get further the semis,after he joined they won several tournaments,were in tons of finals and semis too.They were shitting on GOAT fnatic all the time and were #1 before Cluj Napoca. device was #3 in 2015 and 2016,dupreeh #12 in 2015 cajun #15. gla1ve made them even better but its wrong to undermine what karrigan achieved with them.
2020-10-31 11:06
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#147
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Czech Republic poledne
....well frgot about that .. true but karigen has limits nad is kinda set in stones and don´t want to change ... that is why he is kicked all the time
2020-10-31 16:02
#146
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Czech Republic poledne
yeah +1
2020-10-31 16:02
jks is the best igl
2020-10-31 01:14
Yes because I'm the best IGL.
2020-10-31 01:14
2 replies
gen.g should hire you mens))
2020-10-31 01:35
1 reply
They couldn't afford me))))
2020-10-31 01:39
true. apparently xizt, pronax and fallen had dogshit players and NiKo achieved tons with his team.
2020-10-31 01:15
4 replies
fallen had TACOlul and fnxpartyanimal xizt had fifflarenBOT ok pronax had decent players, but he is still better than gla1ve NiKo did achieve everything other than a major (Boston major should have been his major, but Cloud9 fluked so hard)
2020-10-31 01:18
3 replies
niko achieved almost nothing relevant when he was IGLing. his biggest win was EPICENTER, otherwise its just blast and some random shit.
2020-10-31 01:19
#44
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United States Swadplan
NiKo wasnt igling at boston, that was karrigan
2020-10-31 01:51
1 reply
#63
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Ignore the guy. He said Niko achieved everything other than a major when the guy 1. Didnt IGL at major and 2. Is actually the worst IGL to ever play at tier 1 or tier 2 cs. Compare Gla1ve to almost any IGL and youll see he is maybe the best of all time atleast in contention. Compare Niko to tier 3 IGLs and well you have a competition there. Remove the fragging from Niko and then compare to others. Fragging doesnt make a good IGL its just a bonus Niko as an IGL - Played 1 dimensional CS with pure reliance on fragging and had 0 structure Gla1ve as an IGL - Can read the opposition like a book get the most out of his star players plays potentially the most structured cs out there and can win a game through brains over relying on individuals to just win fights
2020-10-31 03:10
FalleN, Xist and NiKo, known for their out of the world strategies, yes ofc. I'm sure you are the kind of guy thinking Ynk analyse were clever didn't you?
2020-10-31 01:15
+1 GOAT
2020-10-31 01:17
0/8
2020-10-31 01:17
1 reply
2020-10-31 13:45
#17
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United States ShawnM
" In terms of IGLing, people like Fallen, NiKo, pronax, Xizt were much better igl than him," NIKOMEGALUL xizt fair enough pronax true-ish fallen better fragging but worse strats
2020-10-31 01:21
5 replies
"xizt fair enough" wdym??
2020-10-31 01:22
4 replies
#22
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United States ShawnM
xizt success was undeniable and fucking insane in 2012-2016 most accomplished IGL in terms of achievements (most events won and shit) and led his team to a streak that will NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR be broken i dont necessarily think xizt is BETTER, but i can see the reasoning behind it
2020-10-31 01:24
3 replies
sure but it was never some overly tactical stuff etc. it was just loose, he himself said it.
2020-10-31 01:26
1 reply
#27
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United States ShawnM
i dont think xizt is better overall but i can just see why someone MIGHT think that i agree that they played really loose he was even #6 in '13
2020-10-31 01:27
Any good IGL with basic strategy and executed could’ve done so much more with that NiP core. We could have had a version of NiP with 2/3 majors out of the 5 finals they made. Xizt spent half his rounds playing a default and waiting for someone to get a pick which would then snowball into a round win. It was so incredibly loose it hurt to watch.
2020-10-31 02:15
#18
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Canada JC_123
0/8
2020-10-31 01:22
1 reply
2020-10-31 13:44
without him, Astralis would be dogshit hes the reason why they're a top tier team right now
2020-10-31 01:26
5 replies
not really but they wouldnt be as good.
2020-10-31 01:26
4 replies
They propably wouldnt have cut through their mental blockade of choking in semis, agree . That was surely partly glaive but i believe the performance/mental coach also played a hute role in that
2020-10-31 01:34
#64
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Look at Astralis without him... they were not even close to number 1... they could win events sure but dominate them no chance
2020-10-31 03:11
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#155
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United Kingdom OllieUK
Look at the next 2 months and they dropped off. One month doesnt make you a good team in my opinion
2020-11-01 09:00
Did you really just compare people like FalleN (2018 onwards) NiKo(forever) and xizt(since the dawn of time) to any competent or even half competent IGLs??
2020-10-31 01:31
3 replies
fallen 2016-17 >>> gla1ve 2018-19
2020-10-31 01:46
2 replies
fallen 2 majors, glaive 4 majors :/ kkkkkk xaxaxax respect the history!
2020-10-31 01:50
#74
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Serbia LtN))
0/8
2020-10-31 10:29
#34
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Slovakia theHeniek
1 Glaive 2 Kardigan 3 no matter
2020-10-31 01:38
#39
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United States Swadplan
I agree. I'll present you with the fact about who the top 5 IGLs of all time are. 1. Happy. 2 majors and 1 major MVP. gla1ve = 0 major mvps, let his teammate execute his strats. instead of going in there like Happy and doing the damn job himself. Haters call it baiting, I call it fraggin out like a motherfucking chad. 2. gla1ve. 4 majors is undeniable. Good, but not ChadHappy tier. 3. Karrygan. I know he's never won a major, but the teams he's captained have always been top-tier and his longevity is also ridiculous. 4. pronax. 3 majors is a ridiculous achievement, but he did it with JW, floosha, olof and Krimz against an undeniably weaker scene in terms of parity. 5. tarik. By far the most controversial guy on this list, but ol' peanut brain brought NA a goddamn major and you better respect that shit. He also got an MVP for his efforts, one of only two IGLs to do so, alongside the guy who sits at #1 here.
2020-10-31 01:48
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#73
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Serbia LtN))
stopped reading at 1. Happy
2020-10-31 10:29
Happy best strategy:force kek-9 and CZ every round,run and shoot head
2020-10-31 11:13
1 reply
#149
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United States Swadplan
won him 2 major
2020-10-31 16:09
Your reasoning for putting “pronax” at 4th ... should also be applied to Happy ... For both, they played during a time where parity pretty much was non-existent in The CS scene ...
2020-10-31 13:03
4 majors xaxaxaxaxa not best 0/8
2020-10-31 01:49
Every thread you make is always bait.
2020-10-31 01:52
2 replies
can you elaborate?
2020-10-31 02:50
2020-10-31 13:44
ithink BlameF Is THe Best One Now??
2020-10-31 01:52
3 replies
He's the best fragging IGL rn but as far as a sheer leader goes, he's not the "best". He's really good but not Top 1.
2020-10-31 10:21
2 replies
in the past ZueS wah SO GOOD
2020-10-31 12:21
1 reply
Zeus was never the best. Don't @ me.
2020-10-31 15:13
4 years 4 majors for gla1ve
2020-10-31 01:53
#48
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Croatia Lance1308
so karrigan had them also (except magisk) and achieved nothing
2020-10-31 01:53
Almost thought you would make smart post until you mentioned niko and igl in the same sentence.
2020-10-31 01:54
#51
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Georgia Xeeh
imagine saying niko is a better igl than glaive lmfao i was going to take you seriously until i saw that
2020-10-31 01:57
NiKo best igl lol
2020-10-31 02:02
#53
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Europe Vallon4
Stopped reading at NiKo, bait became too obvious.
2020-10-31 02:04
1 reply
#72
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Serbia LtN))
+1
2020-10-31 10:28
#55
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Portugal ArChii_cs
-1
2020-10-31 02:17
I disagree, gla1ve is the goat igl because he lead each of his mates to victory, not because he was lucky to have them, his leadership was the key for everyone's success. /closed
2020-10-31 02:32
What is this shit bait thread? gla1ve is the number one IGL in the world, and he will always be the smartest one.
2020-10-31 02:36
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2020-10-31 13:44
#66
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Russia Skengdo
NiKo, lmao.
2020-10-31 10:17
pronax had another 4 top20 players. actually top1, 5, 7 and 10 xizt had the same lol. top1 back to back, top2, 6, 11 fallen? back to back top1, he was nuts as well+fer and what the HELL is niko doing there:D? literally 0/8 topic /edit oh i just noticed your nick...now i understand why is this topic so stupid
2020-10-31 10:26
im not taking anything away from gla1ve and i certainly dont agree with what you're saying, but i personally think zonic has been the biggest key to their success
2020-10-31 10:27
#71
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Serbia LtN))
"NiKo" axaxaxaxaxa
2020-10-31 10:27
#76
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Denmark VojenZ
Or it could be the other way arround. He made them those players - they didnt win a major before he joined. He could see how they should be playing to bring their best game to the table.
2020-10-31 10:30
#79
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Denmark ghostan11
try harder next time
2020-10-31 10:33
3 replies
2020-10-31 13:44
2 replies
#121
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Denmark ghostan11
2020-10-31 13:46
1 reply
2020-10-31 13:46
NiKo is a garbage igl, destroyed FaZe
2020-10-31 10:34
2020-10-31 10:35
In many ways Glaive “seemed” to be The “Missing Piece” for Astralis to “Get over The hump” ... - Would Astralis have managed to win a Major without Glaive ? I Think so. - Would Astralis have managed to win back-to-back-to-back Majors without Glaive ? I doubt it Zonic and Glaive’s “Ping pong” when it comes to strats is unique, - I Think That in Glaive Zonic sees a strategic mind akin to his own. - It took Glaive before Zonic was able to really enable his (Zonics) strategies to Bear fruit ...
2020-10-31 10:37
This is something many people to use to discredit the best in all kinds of sports. There is no doubt Gla1ve "is" the best IGL of all time. He is the best pure caller. one of the best IGL rifflers, he can makes aces on his own. Ofc Astralis as a whole took the game to a new level, with how they work as a team and use each player as a team. and became the strongest team cs ever had. And other theams followed that way to play. But Gla1ve still find ways. his calling, his understanding on when to do what, the way he read the game and opponent. Gla1ve is not just the best ever because of major wins. nor his good team. But because he really have taken the IGL role to a new level.
2020-10-31 10:37
#84
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Finland Jlu7
Ever heard of a sexy finn called aleksimotherfuckingb? He guided a team with practically only allu and sergej as the big hitters to a major final and also top#2 in the world From nothing!!! Now on og he will become the greatest igl ever Change my mind
2020-10-31 10:38
1 reply
+1, aleksib > gla1ve
2020-10-31 13:20
did you just call NiKo a better igl than glaive LMAO!! how are we supposed to take that serious?
2020-10-31 10:38
2 replies
you are entilted to your own opinion, but NiKo is a great igl
2020-10-31 13:20
1 reply
he is better than what ppl give him credit for but he is of course not better than glaive
2020-10-31 20:39
#86
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Europe DoktorEgg
Not mentioning Zonic here makes it such a bad take. I don't think Gla1ve is the best IGL ever but saying that he just has good players is rubbish. He has good players and probably the best coach who really just needs an IGL who buys into and learns his system and makes decent calls off it. That is a much less than what some of the other great IGLs do where they take responsibility for coming up with the system and tactics themselves and the coach is basically subordinate to the IGL. Now I'd argue that Astralis have the right system as it allows the IGL to focus much more on their personal form and their reading of the game but it does lessen the role of the IGL.
2020-10-31 10:41
Niko bestest igl for sure
2020-10-31 10:41
You could've had a point until you said Niko and Xizt are better igls like wtf is going on in ur brain
2020-10-31 10:58
It’s the other way around, device (average awper), dupreeh (solid rifler), Xyp9x (very smart player) and Magisk (god) are blessed by gla1ve’s existence
2020-10-31 11:06
1 reply
0/8
2020-10-31 13:13
True. Nexa n1!
2020-10-31 11:22
flair and flag check out
2020-10-31 11:28
do you think part of why astralis players are so good might be because of gla1ve's in game leading?
2020-10-31 13:04
yeah like fallen didnt have coldzera/fer... niko with rain/guardian/olofmeister/coldzera pronax with flusha/olofmeister/jw/krimz xizt with get right, forest, friberg... literally all these players are hall of famers/legends.... why even compare they are all goats !
2020-10-31 13:07
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fallen had only 2 good players, fnxPARTYANIMAL and tacoBOT are tier2 at best NiKo had washed up olof cold and guardian after he got igl pronax had great team, thats true xizt had fifflaren, the biggest bot in tier1 scene
2020-10-31 13:21
worst. bait. ever.
2020-10-31 13:09
3 replies
2020-10-31 13:43
2 replies
2020-10-31 13:57
2020-10-31 14:37
Yes he is.
2020-10-31 13:15
glave is the best plz deal with it
2020-10-31 13:23
Xyp9x is GOAT support because of 4 majors, I cant deny that, but he has dev1ce (the smartest awper on the scene), dupreeh (best entry fragger), Magisk (a very strong rifler, and probably the best anchor in the game) and gla1ve (the best igl of all time). He achieved those things because he is lucky enough to be surrounded by good players. dupreeh is GOAT entry because of 4 majors, I cant deny that, but he has dev1ce (the smartest awper on the scene), gla1ve (the best igl of all time), Magisk (a very strong rifler, and probably the best anchor in the game) and xyp9x (clutch minister and best support player of all time). He achieved those things because he is lucky enough to be surrounded by good players. device is GOAT AWP because of 4 majors, I cant deny that, but he has gla1ve (the best igl of all time), dupreeh (best entry fragger), Magisk (a very strong rifler, and probably the best anchor in the game) and xyp9x (clutch minister and best support player of all time). He achieved those things because he is lucky enough to be surrounded by good players. Magisk is GOAT anchor because of 4 majors, I cant deny that, but he has dev1ce (the smartest awper on the scene), dupreeh (best entry fragger), gla1ve(the best igl of all time) and xyp9x (clutch minister and best support player of all time). He achieved those things because he is lucky enough to be surrounded by good players. Gla1ve is GOAT igl because of 4 majors, I cant deny that, but he has dev1ce (the smartest awper on the scene), dupreeh (best entry fragger), Magisk (a very strong rifler, and probably the best anchor in the game) and xyp9x (clutch minister and best support player of all time). He achieved those things because he is lucky enough to be surrounded by good players. Zonic is GOAT coach because of 4 majors, I cant deny that, but he has dev1ce (the smartest awper on the scene), dupreeh (best entry fragger), Magisk (a very strong rifler, and probably the best anchor in the game), gla1ve (the best igl of all time) and xyp9x (clutch minister and best support player of all time). He achieved those things because he is lucky enough to be surrounded by good players.
2020-10-31 13:25
#113
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Asia loveall
Bad bait, niko best igl xD
2020-10-31 13:26
1 reply
bait? No I dont bait, its not allowed on hltv
2020-10-31 13:43
Not even best IGL in Astralis LOL. jk I think gla1ve is probably the igl goat
2020-10-31 13:51
Lmao.. Stay mad.
2020-10-31 13:59
#127
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United Kingdom iXuhi
If you watch the Astralis vs VP game in the major final, and watch the train game. You will see in the last 5 or 10 rounds why glaive is the best igl of all time. Making perfect, ballsy calls when they were down and out.
2020-10-31 14:00
#131
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Turkey PhauX
Maybe the other 4 guys have these abilities that you wrote thanks to Gla1ve?
2020-10-31 14:02
2 replies
yeah, without gla1ve, they wouldnt be able to press W and left click, lol
2020-10-31 14:38
1 reply
#141
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Turkey PhauX
They were good but Gla1ve made them greater players.If they are dominating the scene, just because Gla1ve the igl of Astralis.
2020-10-31 15:50
0/8
2020-10-31 14:30
1 reply
2020-10-31 14:37
100% disagree.
2020-10-31 14:35
Ok you what had astralis achieved before glaive joined? Astralis was the best team in the world after gla1ve joined, before that they were chokers and an ok team, coincidence you think, imagine believing glaive isn't the best igl ever, when all the pros and analysts believe it, yeah your OPINION matter
2020-10-31 15:19
1 reply
Astralis was still choking against Faze and SK before Magisk, lmao
2020-10-31 15:51
I think gla1ve has a big impact enabling those players to play as they do
2020-10-31 15:21
HUNDEN is the best iGL thats the reason why Heroic is number in denmark right now. /close
2020-10-31 15:53
No, Happy is a better IGL. Why? 2 majors and also a MAJOR MVP. He is the only captain to win Major MVP.
2020-10-31 15:56
#145
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United States PP_Bizon
You could probably make a somewhat valid argument for anyone of those IGLs.. except for niko. The dude is a great player but not a great igl lmao
2020-10-31 16:00
Niko good IGL 0/8
2020-10-31 16:08
Niko better igl than glaive? Wtf have you been smoking kid?
2020-10-31 21:43
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