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Top 20 Players of All Time: Introduction
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Brazil Flamengo3_Liverpool0 
The Ranking: 20. Magisk - 30 Points 19. electronic - 32 Points/1 MVP 18. NBK - 32 Points/4 MVPs (1.03) 17. EliGE - 32 Points/4 MVPs (1.09) 16. FalleN - 34 Points 15. JW - 40 Points 14. KRIMZ - 41 Points 13. olofmeister - 44 Points 12. flusha - 46 Points 11. dupreeh - 49 Points 10. Snax - 51 Points/7 MVPs 9. coldzera - 51 Points/8 MVPs 8. f0rest - 52 Points 7. GeT_RiGhT - 53 Points 6. shox - 54 Points 5. NiKo - 57 Points 4. kennyS - 61 Points 3. GuardiaN - 66 Points 2. s1mple - 69 Points 1. device - 90 Points How i made it: I picked every ranking since 2013 (2012 dont had a ranking) and made like that; Top 1 - 20 Points Top 2 - 19 Points Top 3 - 18 Points Top 4 - 17 Points Top 5 - 16 Points Top 6 - 15 Points Top 7 - 14 Points Top 8 - 13 Points Top 9 - 12 Points Top 10 - 11 Points Top 11 - 10 Points Top 12 - 9 Points Top 13 - 8 Points Top 14 - 7 Points Top 15 - 6 Points Top 16 - 5 Points Top 17 - 4 Points Top 18 - 3 Points Top 19 - 2 Points Top 20 - 1 Point Tiebreaker is the MVP medals quantity, if both have the same amount, it will be the all time rating
2020-10-31 06:06
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simple fans dont mald on me
2020-10-31 06:07
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You mentioned how you created the list so no reason to mald for them lol
2020-10-31 06:17
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but some simple fans, it scare me
2020-10-31 06:20
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True, lol
2020-10-31 06:20
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2020-11-01 14:43
nah nah its a nice list , as fair as possible
2020-10-31 06:39
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s0mple fans be like: iNdIAn ScENce KeKW
2020-10-31 14:37
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2020-11-01 14:44
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what?
2020-11-01 16:02
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2020-11-01 14:44
#81
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Serbia LtN))
fair list
2020-11-01 14:31
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2020-11-01 14:44
> AWP > GOAT pick one
2020-10-31 06:07
6 replies
top 4 = awp
2020-10-31 06:07
4 replies
Yes awp abusers
2020-10-31 06:08
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ban these awp abuserd rn moderators im so angry where is jonathan e rn? he should be banning these newbie gun abusers!
2020-10-31 06:09
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BUMP NEW RANKING OUT
2020-11-01 14:44
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2020-11-01 14:44
I like that.
2020-10-31 06:08
2 replies
the results was to good i think was going to be bullshit
2020-10-31 06:08
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#11
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India skyl4rk
+69
2020-10-31 06:14
#3 and #5 undeserved also device goat by huge margin, we knew that already
2020-10-31 06:08
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i was thinking top 3 was goin to be gtr, and top 5 was like unexpected btw, nothing here is undeserved
2020-10-31 06:10
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right, because hltv player rankings are literally perfect
2020-10-31 06:20
Guardian undeserved? One of the few players to be in so many top 20s each year? What are you smoking? He was literally best or second best awper in the world for 4 years.
2020-11-01 14:30
Stole my method wtf kinda
2020-10-31 06:12
1 reply
WTF MAN, sorry by copy you, i dont even knewed about ur post, but im going to say in the next replie
2020-10-31 06:15
GUYS THIS METHOD I USED BY Official_hltv_yoda I DIDNT KNEWED AND COPIED HIM
2020-10-31 06:15
#14
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India skyl4rk
I thought top 20 will all be legends, but magisk and electronic do surprise me
2020-10-31 06:16
1 reply
me too man
2020-10-31 06:17
Points should not be so evenly ... a #1 spot should yield significantly more than a #2 spot ... #1 - 20 points #2 - 15 points #3 - 10 points #4 - 9 points #5 - 8 points #6 - 7 points #5 - 6 points #6 - 5 points #7 - 4 points #8 - 3 points #9 - 2 points #10 - 1 point Outside top10 really doesnt matter, not if you wanna talk about “all time” ... If you still want to include 20 players, just start from #20 with 1 point, but top 3 placing should yield more points differential than just a 2 points between top and third ... - compile list again and lets see The results ...
2020-10-31 06:16
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ok, imma start do like that now and post after 2hours
2020-10-31 06:18
3 replies
Please take 2-3 points for MVP as well.
2020-10-31 06:22
2 replies
imma do it
2020-10-31 06:24
1 reply
#57
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Asia SWARN151
Naah naah, don't add points specifically for MVPs, to start with. Just do what Zonic said, and in case of ties, you can use MVPs, Ratings, etc to break it.
2020-10-31 07:14
#20
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India skyl4rk
Makes sense
2020-10-31 06:19
bad logic top 1 20 nr 2 16 nr 3 13 nr 4 10 then follow your list because top 3 more important than rest so there should be atleast 3 pts difference
2020-10-31 06:28
+1
2020-10-31 06:19
Good list but somehow try to take MVP's more into the mix, then it will be better imo.
2020-10-31 06:20
2 replies
im goin to put this idea mixed with "Underdogclone313" idea, i think it will be so good
2020-10-31 06:23
1 reply
+1
2020-10-31 06:23
It actually does make sense if we are talking about years at the top
2020-10-31 06:22
Guys im going to make a 2.0 list, which will have: Top 3 advantage Top 11-20 don't win points MVP medals now will count And i think i should count all time rating 2.0 as a variable, what u guys think?
2020-10-31 06:26
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Sounds good, all though, personally, I don’t Think you should count in “MVPs” , as these usually only go to a player on The tournament Winning team ... MVP doesnt necessarily needs to be factored in, as these Awards usually are already factored in, when they make their (un)official top20 list ...
2020-10-31 06:39
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man, i read this right wgen i was going to do the mvp the top 20 2.0 without mvps is with many much ties so it will be inevitable
2020-10-31 06:45
heres mine #1: Flamengo3_Liverpool0 #2-19: dont care :)
2020-10-31 06:38
problem with this is that later top 20s should be weighted because the scene has become more developed over time compared to 2013-2015
2020-10-31 06:44
7 replies
weight the top 20 would be not that good i think
2020-10-31 06:46
4 replies
being top 5 in 2019 should be considered more impressive and a better result than top 3 in 2015 is my point
2020-10-31 06:50
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ahhh now i understanded ur point, but that is a all time ranking, so it count all csgo time
2020-10-31 06:51
It really wont make that much of a difference ..., especially not when We are talking “all time” ...
2020-10-31 06:54
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#61
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Asia SWARN151
Right. Basically, the law of large numbers. Though, it's not really large in this case lol :)
2020-10-31 07:17
i disagree...i mean the game is always evolving just like normal sports do but that doesnt mean that old eras were less important. its still part of history and its not fair that you would give a handicap to players from older eras. its not their fault that they are older and were relevant earlier. another thing is that those younger players have almost everything discovered by old fags already so they had it easier to learn and just copied them while players from older eras had to discover all things and tricks by themselves
2020-10-31 06:51
#47
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United Arab Emirates p1peb0mb
It shouldn't. This is all time. If the scene was so easy why didn't s1mple reached top 1 in 2915 itself. Zywoo did it in his rookie year. Currently the peak of gtr, olof, forest, snax, shox is over and when they become more aged. Snax went from top 2 player in early 2017 to barely top 20 by the end of the year. So as player performance changes even with little time. So you have to all time on their best than giving preference current best.
2020-10-31 06:56
#41
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Europe ROMAG
I did a rank with points, I will share later if you become interested but i give points based on hltv ranking and MVP's. 1. Each MVP I gave 2 points 2. Each time the player doesn't apeared in HLTV's rank he lost one point 3. Top 20-16 = 1 point 4. Top 15-11 = 2 points 5. Top 10 = 3p; top 9 =3.5p; top8= 4 p; top7= 4.5p; top6= 5p 6.top 5 = 7; top4= 8; top 3= 10 top2=12 top1 =15 It was something like that
2020-10-31 06:55
9 replies
bro patent that forumula quick
2020-10-31 06:52
MVPs are already “factored” in, when they make “HLTV top 20” (pr year) ...
2020-10-31 06:55
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#48
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Europe ROMAG
I know, but I think it's a extra to put in the rank. Because just the rank is a bitch to superficial. Idk with i was fair giving teo points maybe it's to much
2020-10-31 06:57
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Personally, I Think its too much lol, because; 1) MVPs are already counted in (HLTV Top20) 2) Always (few exceptions) go to a player on The tournament Winning team) 3) MVP in a tier 2/3 tournament is not as good as MVP in say EIM or Major ... But making a note of Numbers of MVPs at The player, like OP did in The first post is a good idea ;-)
2020-10-31 07:04
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#50
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Europe ROMAG
The mvp that i choose was from tier S event, from liquipedia. Do you think I should remive more points for somebody that disn't aperead in hltv ranking? Do you think should I consider rating in big event as a factor in the ranking?
2020-10-31 07:03
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No, not if you already use HLTV top 20 as “template” ... You could use number as MVP as a “tiebreaker” in placement though
2020-10-31 07:06
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#72
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Europe ROMAG
1.Device = 73 2.GTR = 40 3. S1MPLE = 38 4.Coldzera = 35 5.guardiaN = 30.5 6.niko = 29 *7.f0rest = 27 *8.olofm = 27 9. snax = 27 10.KennyS = 26.5 11.flusha = 26 12. shox = 22 13.falleN = 17 14.dupreeh = 16 15. krimz = 14,5 16. zywoo =14 17.jw = 13 18.magisk = 12.5 19.elige = 12 20.nbk = 12 21pasha = 11 21elec =09 22.fer =08 23.NAF =6.5
2020-10-31 13:57
tks man, read it now, i already did the 2.0 but still dont posted
2020-10-31 07:06
#69
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Europe ROMAG
changed for 1 point per mvp, rating is tie brakers (all time - big event only )
2020-10-31 13:47
guardian 3rd lol. Not even 5th best awper of all time
2020-10-31 06:51
4 replies
based on hltv rankings
2020-10-31 07:06
#64
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Asia SWARN151
I respectfully disagree. GuardiaN from his CS source days to the mid years of CSGo, was one of the best and most consistent AWPers in the world, behind only KennyS. If you're counting late 2018/2019 GuardiaN, you might feel otherwise. GuardiaN didn't really win the biggest trophies I know, but individually it doesn't matter. He is one of the best AWPers till date.
2020-10-31 07:23
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After AWP nerf there wasnt better awper than guardian for years until 2018 when device took over as best awper (with best team but thats irrelevant to this discusison) 2015, 2016, 2017 Guardian was best awper out there.
2020-11-01 14:33
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Individually
2020-11-01 14:46
Magisk is 37 top 14 in 2016 bro
2020-10-31 07:06
Making a new formula based on: HLTV Year Ranking, MVPs and Rating 2.0 Soon
2020-10-31 07:08
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If you are going to give points for MVPs also, it shouldn’t be more than 1 point then imo ...
2020-10-31 07:15
#65
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Asia SWARN151
In my opinion, taking MVPs separately into account, when you are already taking HLTV Top20 into consideration, is redundant and unnecessary. Because HLTV Top20, among tons of factors, already includes MVPs and that too Tier-wise (S-Tier MVPs get more weightage in HLTV Top20). So, it's double counting to take MVPs again. I think you should only use it as tie-breaker, and when the tie happens, give 1 point more (maybe) to the one with more MVPs.
2020-10-31 07:26
#56
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Asia SWARN151
Nice way of looking at it. Well done! +1 for the idea xD!
2020-10-31 07:10
#59
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Asia fablee101
Where TF is BlameF?
2020-10-31 07:16
1 reply
Somewhere in Daneland ;-)
2020-10-31 07:17
I have a feeling some (Simple) fan-bois are not gonna like this LOL
2020-10-31 07:18
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#67
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Asia SWARN151
Well, device is 2-3 years older than s1mple. So, it was bound to happen xD!
2020-10-31 07:30
Ik what the rules are but if we talk about goat gtr must be top3 imo
2020-10-31 07:18
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Brazil spfcLK
coldzera in 9 is very little for him, top3 in my opinion
2020-10-31 07:27
The problem here with alot of Nerds is that being “GoaT” is a loose term ... In this example OP is trying to quantify it, by using statistics, which in my view is better ... - There Will always be Nerds who Think this and this player should rank higher ..., however, here, The OP is using stats ... and as such, arguments like “he should be higher bl.a. bl.a.” are moot, because The stats did NOT justify this ... - Read The Post (OP) - Understand The context - Accept The premises for The rankings (which The OP clearly Stated) - Live with The results And mind you, the OP did in fact change some of The premises based on external input ...
2020-10-31 07:41
guardian played like 2 maps this year
2020-10-31 13:51
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And? This list is for all-time. GuardiaN has basically been in the top 20 since 2012/2013 and wasn't on the list for the first time in 2019.
2020-11-01 17:20
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oh my bad, yh defo top 10 all time
2020-11-01 17:54
imo 1. dev1ce 2. coldzera 3. olofmeister 4. GeT_RighT 5. s1mple 6. f0rest 7. GuardiaN 8. kennyS 9. flusha 10. shox 11. Snax 12. falleN 13. Zywoo 14. NiKo 15. dupreeh 16. NBK 17. KRIMZ 18. xyp9x 19. fer 20. Magisk
2020-10-31 13:53
My list: - more detail here: hltv.org/forums/threads/2375515/all-time.. #1 GetRight #2 Dev1ce #3 S1mple #4 Coldzera #5 Forest #6 Kenny S #7 ZywOo #8 Guardian #9 Flusha #10 Olofmeister #11 Markeloff #12 Shox #13 NEO #14 Niko (Kovac) #15 Fallen #16 Snax #17 Trace #18 JW #19 Electronic #20 PashaBiceps
2020-11-01 02:03
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man, i think ur list was good, but the proposites are different, mine is from 2013-2019, ur is from 2010-2019, and mine got the proposite of rank the most consistent players with that ponttuation but good list
2020-11-01 14:15
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Basically I just took the data as far back as I could in each category, for ex. the tournament lists only go back to 2012 ... - Beyond that it will require a lot more work, than I intend to put into it lol ... - The amount of points allocated pr. position, can be altered, but will skewer the results a whole lot more ... - I found it fair to allocate 20 for a 1st and 10 for a 3rd placement though .... As I wrote initially, I like your idea, I just don't agree with the point allocation, as they really don't reward high placements ... - if you understand what I mean ? :-)
2020-11-01 14:21
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do u want to team to do a goat team ranking?
2020-11-01 14:54
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I'm actually working on that ... however, it requires some work, as I have to find ways to make up for Orgs switching players / entire rosters ... And I'll look into discord, so we can catch up on ideas :-)
2020-11-01 15:02
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ok mannn
2020-11-01 15:02
If this is for cs:go this is a terrible list no offence, get_right and f0rest should not be above kenny or guardian and maybe even flusha. Also ur talking top 20 players of ALL TIME and u have zywoo that high when he's only been in the scene for a year? idk man
2020-11-01 14:29
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You can read how I distributed the points and which criteria's that were used ... The numbers from the criterias do not lie ... - There is no way, no matter how you chose to distribute points, that Kenny will get above Getright and forest ... - Kenny will only get above if you just make a list yourself, without really substantiating anything, thus making only a "wish list" .... and a list based on your *personal* opnion and not any facts whatsoever ... ...
2020-11-01 14:51
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"numbers don't lie" bro you are making these numbers up, you're the one that decides top 1 on hltv ranking gets 20 points and top 2 gets 15 etc. Also going solely of off top 20 on HLTV is never gonna be accurate when it comes to who was the best player lmao, you realize HLTV take in tournament placements into account when making their top 20? a.k.a kennyS placing 6th in 2014 when every analyst and even pro players themselves would say he was the best at the time
2020-11-01 16:14
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As usual with (raging ignorant) nerds ... you *completely* miss the point ... - and reply to something you haven't even read ... Again ... my point stands ... - *You* believe that Kenny S is superior to the others you have mentioned ... - he might even be ... in your opinion ... - which isn't necessarily false ... however, it is (again) based on *your* subjective opinion ... As with most rankings, you need to put some quantifiable on the table in order to be able to sort it out ... - the above was one take on it ... Flamengo's is another take ... As I said, no matter what metric, feet, or other measure you use ... - the point still remains ... And if you even bothered to read ... *My* list isn't based solely on HLTV top 20 ... but also MVP's as well as rating (end of year) ... - and once I get it done, will also reflect team achievements - which is why (Team) achievements isn't a factor I have used (yet) ...
2020-11-01 16:22
#77
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Latvia tibr0
agree with this
2020-11-01 14:23
#78
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Turkey TheKaiser
Well, that's pretty different than what I expected but ok I guess
2020-11-01 14:26
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Different in what Way ? - Not speaking about you, however, alot of Nerds yell about “All time Goats”, and berate others who don’t agree ... Here some of us have tried to “quantify” The achievements and made lists based on points allocated on set criterias ... - Thus (in one Way, - npt necessarily The “right” Way) resulting in The above mentioned lists ... Flamengos list differ somewhat from mine, as our set parametres are somewhat different ...
2020-11-01 14:32
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Turkey TheKaiser
Different than the other common lists I've seen, because ranking top 20 players of all time can be done in two different ways; greatest and best (of all time), and assuming he's ranking 'GOAT's, doing it solely on achievements and individual performances doesn't seem right to me. For example, I wouldn't put s1mple or device on the #1 spot because (imo) one is really good in individual performances side and other is really good in teamplay side (of course, for instance, device is really good individually as well but compared to other candidates, his teamplay side looks more predominant; vice versa goes for s1mple in this case, imho). That's why I think there are more parameters on making list than we think. But hey, no need to get aggressive since this is just an opinion.
2020-11-01 16:40
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I agree, which is why I also linked to *my* post, listing what criterias I've based *my* list on ... hltv.org/forums/threads/2375515/all-time..
2020-11-01 16:42
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#102
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Turkey TheKaiser
Well, that's interesting, understood the criteria. As I said, I don't necessarily agree on it but appreciate the effort and it looks logical, have a nice day
2020-11-01 16:54
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Oh I totally agree, “quantifying” and allocating points Will always be a subjective matter, when you need ‘a common deniminator’ in order to make Any comparison ... - especially when ratings were overhauled in rating 2.0 ... And good Day to you also :-)
2020-11-01 17:15
#82
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Serbia LtN))
I would love to see s1mple #1 but this list is fair tho
2020-11-01 14:31
Literally the worst criteria you could have used combined with a retarded point system... The standard of players has gotten a lot better so previous years where people are undeservedly ranked top 20 have the same weight as someone ranked in the top 20 in 2020 where cs is at it's most competitive and people are a lot better....Each rank is only 1 point higher than the previous one so you could be ranked 10th and then ranked 3rd but have more points than someone ranked 13th and then 1st, what a braindead idiot. Just delete your thread and leave the thinking to people who have a braincell capacity of greater than 2.
2020-11-01 16:50
my list 1. dev1ce (Most consistent player of csgo) 2. coldzera (He got #1 twice, and won a lot of events with SK/LG) 3. olofmeister (He is very close to coldzera imo, but he only got top1 once) 4. GeT_Right (He was amazing at the first years of csgo, but has been bad since 2016) 5. s1mple (in my opinion, achievements are important in a list like this, thats why he is "low" in my list) 6. f0rest 7. shox 8. Guardian 9. kennyS 10. Flusha
2020-11-01 16:55
#107
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CIS wmzgod
ez god guardian
2020-11-03 11:43
Virtus.pro
1.72
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2.06
Endpoint
3.52
Sprout
1.30
New England Whalers
1.25
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3.74
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