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Other tarkoza66 
The most overrated IGL ever: > always choked with TSM/Astralis core in semis > Didn't win shit in FaZe until NiKo joined > Asked NiKo to IGL in the middle of major > only thing he won in mouz was during the time frozen and co. abused the SG change my mind
2020-11-13 20:39
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#1
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United Kingdom pnuTblyat
these calls are so shit this game wtf is this
2020-11-13 20:40
you sound like your typical faceit k/d player who only cares about getting eco and exit frags.
2020-11-13 20:42
17 replies
is that all? any counterarguments?
2020-11-13 20:43
14 replies
Counter arguments are meant to counter valid points, everything you listed is complete bullshit xD
2020-11-13 22:07
13 replies
+1
2020-11-13 23:13
+1
2020-11-14 12:58
+1
2020-11-14 12:59
+1
2020-11-14 13:00
#193
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Netherlands Dvid
+1
2020-11-14 13:11
+1
2020-11-15 15:27
look into history a little bit.
2020-11-15 15:28
2 replies
#218
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Italy deb
Everyon disagrees with u bro just delete the thread
2020-11-15 15:50
1 reply
truth needs to come out. also, not everyone
2020-11-15 15:50
+1
2020-11-15 15:29
+1
2020-11-15 20:05
+1
2020-11-16 12:05
+1
2020-11-20 00:34
#51
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Serbia CoVRa
+1
2020-11-13 21:22
he lost the bet i guess :)
2020-11-13 22:20
#6
ropz | 
Netherlands ONGix
Pro tip: When you molly car try to molly car 👌🏻👌🏻
2020-11-13 20:43
3 replies
+1
2020-11-13 20:43
who car
2020-11-13 20:50
1 reply
2020-11-13 21:11
#8
ZywOo | 
France bwain
SYRSON AWP ABUSER
2020-11-13 20:43
14 replies
"<3 ZywOo"
2020-11-13 21:28
13 replies
Zywoo best rifler atm Come again?
2020-11-14 12:09
1 reply
he played awp 90% of his career.
2020-11-15 15:27
Zywoo one of the best riflers same as simple what are you smoking?
2020-11-14 13:01
10 replies
2020-11-15 15:27
9 replies
Doesnt change the fact he is probably second best french rifler atm. him and simple and niko to some extent are so good at the game that it doesnt matter what weapon they have but what position.
2020-11-15 15:55
8 replies
awp brought him 1.25+ rating which I was relating the comment to
2020-11-15 15:57
7 replies
Doesnt change the fact that zywoo can can play both awp and riflers while syrson is going 7-16 on inferno because he couldnt utilize his AWP. hltv.org/matches/2345194/big-vs-mousespo..
2020-11-15 16:46
6 replies
that's just one map. I never said zywoo couldn't play riffle. I said that his rating and influence is boosted with awp ofcourse. learn to read.
2020-11-15 18:42
5 replies
You are the one focused on zywoo when OG comment said that syrson is AWP abuser and your only point was zywoo flair while we all know that zywoo is one of the best riflers in the game unlike syrson who becomes next to useleess whitout scoped weapons.
2020-11-15 18:47
4 replies
syrson doesn't become useless without the awp. just wrong.
2020-11-15 18:56
3 replies
Kill wise he defifnetly tends to disappear. And gues who needs reading lessons i didnt say AWP i sayed scoped weapons.
2020-11-15 22:45
2 replies
1. syrson is not zywoo. zywoo is a top2 player also you need to prove those claims. 2. now you're really streching it. so what if he uses kriegs? my point was that awp boosts rating and the guy was bashing syrson while loving zywoo who is also an awper. pretty simple right?
2020-11-15 23:10
1 reply
I dont have to back those claims because i have seen him play. Second he cannot use AWP or scout his impact on the rounds is 0 outside of deagle kills. And again we go back to your logic that <3 zywoo somehow changes the fact that syrson is worst impact wise in his team when he cannot play awp. He is exactly the same like jdm was.
2020-11-16 00:50
#9
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Denmark Kon10R
Well ... Take a look on Mouz' stats and work out where they were, when Karrigan joined.
2020-11-13 20:44
31 replies
I can give you that one for mouz but it was mostly because of SG. frozen, ropz are the best with sg
2020-11-13 20:49
23 replies
#20
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Denmark Kon10R
"Somebody" brought out the best in them ... 😁 He was in the "hot seat" a month ago or so. He of course knows A LOT about the game and how to "utilize" his fellow teammates. Bymas in FaZe was told: "You just play like Olofmeister" ... yeah, right. Nobody can, and asking a 17 year old to do that ... Look how Bymas is doing now!
2020-11-13 20:55
22 replies
that's very stretched. bymas just fits mouz better with his playstyle.
2020-11-13 20:57
18 replies
#29
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Denmark Kon10R
EXACTLY! "Somebody" LET him ... right?! 😁 Instead of "blindly" trying to fit him in certain systems and roles. Karrigan USES what "his" players like to and are capable of and slowly "build" their skills into his playbook. In short: He's doon' juzz fain'. (Heavy Southern American accent)
2020-11-13 21:04
17 replies
alright mate, looks like you're out of arguments. nice talking to you. also #26
2020-11-13 21:05
16 replies
#32
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Denmark Kon10R
No need to. You pointed out his ability yourself: From Astralis to FaZe ... to "nobody" ... which he brought back up. Now they're of course pushed downwards again, since EVYBODY is playing some damn good cs!
2020-11-13 21:08
15 replies
again, not karrigan. FaZe was brought to top tier by NiKo and that's a fact.
2020-11-13 21:09
14 replies
#36
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Denmark Kon10R
And look what happened after Karrigan left ... 😁
2020-11-13 21:10
11 replies
they were playing like shit for a long time with karrigan so changes had to be made. to cut an igl with 0.8 rating was an obvious choice.
2020-11-13 21:12
10 replies
#44
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Denmark Kon10R
Yup ... and it only got worse. Now Niko and Ynk left, and I actually think and do have hopes for FaZe if Olof stays on board. G2 with Niko looks promising too. Hope Mouz will get back on track as well. Time will show. Enjoy the day, evening, night or wherever you are!
2020-11-13 21:16
1 reply
agree with that.
2020-11-13 21:19
Not when you dont have another real igl to replace him.History proved this many times.
2020-11-13 22:04
5 replies
they had niko, who started to igl after they went 0-2 in major.
2020-11-13 22:06
4 replies
and they went on to never reach a major final ever again, GJ chok0
2020-11-14 03:01
1 reply
true but, only partially his fault not entirely like you see it.
2020-11-14 08:36
Seems like you read over a part of my comment,I wrote "real igl"
2020-11-14 13:51
1 reply
he is a real igl. not on gla1ve's level but an igl.
2020-11-15 15:25
they should have cut the midget bosnian spergy bot instead, they would have won a lot more trophies
2020-11-14 03:02
1 reply
wrong
2020-11-14 08:35
hahahaha most delusional fucking reply ever. If Niko hard carried faze to all those trophies why didnt he continue that after karrigan was gone?
2020-11-14 03:00
1 reply
already addressed that
2020-11-14 08:36
0.07 upgrade gj very good player
2020-11-13 20:59
1 reply
Stats kekekekeekeekk
2020-11-14 12:10
+1 but bymas didnt have time to switch roles in faze as olof left abruptly and had like 1-2 days of prac, they couldnt switch around roles for rain/cold just so bymas could be comffyyy
2020-11-20 00:36
karrigan joined mouz altogether with 2 other players (basically a different team), so those stats are irrelevant because you would have to factor in frozen and woxic too somehow.
2020-11-13 20:54
6 replies
#25
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Denmark Kon10R
I know. A little "smart ass" on my part, but HE brought them back to the top together with Rejin. He of course "shat" in his own front garden, but I think Karrigan is doing fine.
2020-11-13 20:58
5 replies
you can, at best, only partially give credit to him. Definetely not on his own.
2020-11-13 21:02
4 replies
have you ever played under a good igl?
2020-11-13 21:15
3 replies
Irrelevant. But no and neither did you.
2020-11-14 09:20
2 replies
if you ever played under a good igl , then only you will know the importance of an igl
2020-11-14 09:34
1 reply
then why did tsm become better with glaive? why did mouz suddenly turn to shit after kried nerf? faze was going downhill even with karrigan.
2020-11-15 15:55
#10
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Czech Republic Tr3jx_S
That fucking molotovs
2020-11-13 20:44
1 reply
5 ruskis in mm wouldn't fail that hard at a fucking car molly
2020-11-13 20:56
Every team he joined became better,so he must be absolute garbage both as an igl and player.Completely worthless bot.
2020-11-13 20:44
6 replies
only mouz. #14
2020-11-13 20:50
5 replies
tsm was one of the most consistent teams under karrigan in probably the most competitive era of cs , faze literally won a bunch of big tournaments and went to a major final , a team isn't a team unless theirs a good leader and if you think karrigan ain't good , you are just stupid.
2020-11-13 21:08
3 replies
This is a stupid thread. This guy plays fpl and thinks only k/d matters in CS. Karrigan has improved all the teams he joined. Even though he is a bad fragger still the top tier team wants to keep him because he is a good and top lvl igl. The whole CS community agrees with that. No point in arguing with this stupid person.
2020-11-14 08:55
1 reply
I never said that. Read some of my points in this thread. And for your information, if everyone thinks that something is true, it isn't necessary true.
2020-11-14 09:27
It was definitely more competetive during the glaive era. There is a number of other igls who would achieve the same with a team like faze at the time. #50 is close to my opinion.
2020-11-14 09:25
and faze clan and TSM
2020-11-14 02:59
Asked NiKo to IGL in the middle of major. Any proofs or an assumptions ?
2020-11-13 20:45
38 replies
check nikos twitter
2020-11-13 20:49
30 replies
so he tweeted saying this - did karrigan react to it? If so what was his answer? Or if he did not answer at all then -> youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
2020-11-13 20:54
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28 replies
I don't see any reactions from karrigan to niko, even if it were true there's a reason to it. I doubt you'd know the reason why he asked him that. I also highly doubt he asked at all. In my eyes karrigan is a good hard working igl. Over rated only to those who'd be a terrible teammates.
2020-11-13 21:13
27 replies
no way niko would write something like this if it wasn't true. ppl on hltv portray him as the biggest reason why he won what he won but the truth is he had the best players.
2020-11-13 21:14
21 replies
Niko is an egocentric person - I never liked him for that. I sympathize with people that are empathetic and put team work and building a team first rather a person that wants to be top1 in player rankings on hltv or wants to be a top fragger. People often forget you need 5 players to play this game and blindly praise the leader of a scoreboard rather than the guy who's gonna flash for you to peek a corner or drops a weapon when the economy is bad... It takes a team to win a game not a single player.
2020-11-13 21:30
20 replies
those are just some statements you can't back up. you don't know niko. you don't know what was going on in faze. I too, don't know but I don't claim that I know. here we talk about things we do know and you just ran out of them.
2020-11-13 21:32
19 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=7EnbZzi3EBE 1:50 Well, I do not talk about stuff I don't know they been said - I do not talk about people that couldn't defend themselves, I do not lie. On the other side you talk about stuff you don't know about, as you yourself admitted. I did not run out of things to talk about and my statements can be backed up wether it be Faze's team spirit downfall after that boston major final or the fact that you need a 5 player team to play csgo therefore it takes a team to win a game. We can call it quits here - Karrigan's a hardworker as I said. You want to call him over rated? Go ahead, it's your opinion in the end.
2020-11-13 21:39
18 replies
yes you do, and you need to improve your reading comprehension. read #57 again
2020-11-13 21:43
17 replies
youtube.com/watch?v=7EnbZzi3EBE 1:50 "I have the biggest ego in the team..." and that you don't claim? Hello? #41 "no way niko would write something like this if it wasn't true." If thats not you claiming bs then I don't even know anymore what you taking... have a great day!
2020-11-13 21:49
16 replies
that's just a logical deduction not a claim. the reason karrigan didn't reply is because niko said the truth.
2020-11-13 21:52
15 replies
Said the truth? Where? It's your assumption. You can't prove it, while I proved you my claim where NiKo's calling himself an egoist. You're either high or bad at admitting that you're wrong. Logical deduction smh xd
2020-11-13 22:02
9 replies
You proved an irrelavant thing which I wasn't even talking about. it would be far more likely that karrigan would reply smth like "wtf are you saying" if it wasn't true. you are just bad at judgements. think about it again.
2020-11-13 22:05
8 replies
Oh we're judging now xD
2020-11-13 22:16
2 replies
oh we're raising irrelevant things again. guess this is done
2020-11-13 22:50
1 reply
nono, let's keep this convo for ever dude:D irrelevant things are your specialities 'member?
2020-11-13 23:24
you think karrigan wonna waste his time on a spergy dog like niko? hahaha he literally shat on him on the server all throughout 2019 beating them in 8/10 matchups
2020-11-14 02:58
4 replies
Irrelevant
2020-11-14 08:37
2 replies
Not at all
2020-11-14 09:32
1 reply
and how is it relevant?
2020-11-16 21:37
Why would he start it in the first place ? He made an unecessary comment first , wethet it was banter or not it's a sensitive topic for NiKo , expecialy if what he said is really true and being an IGL wasn't his idea at the start.
2020-11-14 12:55
the reason why karrigan didnt reply to him was to not humiliate him publicly, but niko managed to do that to himself just fine
2020-11-14 02:58
4 replies
nah you just hate niko.
2020-11-14 08:40
3 replies
just stating facts.
2020-11-14 09:32
2 replies
Wrong.
2020-11-14 09:37
1 reply
cry.
2020-11-14 09:42
Guardian said recently in an interview that karrigan was the reason of their success and they were harsh to kick him and it was a mistake. Niko cannot accept this because of his eho since he thought after kicking karrigan they would shine which they did not so he blames karrigan always and left faze in the middle of a slump.
2020-11-14 08:58
4 replies
ikr, unfortunately there will always be people with egos thinking they're superior to others. I wonder how will the G2 squad with niko perform in the long run and wether his manipulating personality would intervene again.
2020-11-14 12:54
1 reply
G2 has an actuall menagemnt that takes care of the team and a competent coach malek , not a cheerleadet ynk. There is no way NiKo will be able to manipulate shit in that team. NiKo took it uppon himself to lead and play the role of the "main" guy since he is their best player and it only makes sense. Let's see now what happens to FaZe , they play good now but I dunno how long it will last. Even FaZe with NiKo as an IGL at first had great results.
2020-11-14 12:58
And retards like poledne still defend him LUL
2020-11-14 13:03
No. faze started playing better even won iem new york. faze wasn't working anymore, they tried everything possible for 1 year. kicking karrigan was a reasonable thing because faze played poorly in the last period with him.
2020-11-15 15:30
NiKo IGLed at Faceit major after 0-2
2020-11-13 20:56
well no one was respecting karrigans calls, so karrigan said that if they won't listen to his calls he did not want to igl.
2020-11-13 21:08
5 replies
I remember the boston finals and the downfall of faze's team spirit due to not winning that OT hence the finals... if karrigan really asked niko to call during that final - would that mean the team spirit was already bad in that final? Makes me wonder why *ehm niko *ehm* *ehm*
2020-11-13 21:17
4 replies
i believe karrigan called during the boston final. but yerh i think that after loosing to c9. the team morale took a big hit. it was during the faceit major the team stopped respecting karrigans calls. and as NorthRussian said after they lost 2 games niko was igl. as usual the igl gets all the blame, especially in a team like faze where they are all "star players"
2020-11-13 21:27
3 replies
according to spunj niko was talking way more in the final than karrigan
2020-11-13 21:30
2 replies
well i'm not surprised :D. but it's in the past now, and i really do think G2 are gonna be sick. faze kinda look good too so its gonna be interesting to see how the scene evolve hope mousesports can be consistent and not rely too much on Ropz.
2020-11-13 21:45
1 reply
agree on that but some things need to be set straight around here
2020-11-13 22:02
+1
2020-11-13 20:47
Lmao xddd
2020-11-13 21:05
Karrigan is one of the best IGLs to ever touch the game. Once he joined team he got them to the top (TSM/Astralis, FaZe, mouz) NiKo is such a egoistic idiot putting blame on Karrigan on his Twitter. NiKo is the one who destroyed FaZe, not Karrigan. If NiKo didnt kick Karrigan from FaZe, FaZe could've stay in top 5 for example
2020-11-13 21:10
21 replies
"Once he joined team he got them to the top (TSM/Astralis, FaZe, mouz)" Wrong. #35 and #19. For TSM core he couldn't get any better than semis with a core that went on to become the best ever with a truly great igl (gla1ve) "NiKo is such a egoistic idiot putting blame on Karrigan on his Twitter." did he say something wrong? as far as I know karrigan was the first to start provoking "If NiKo didnt kick Karrigan from FaZe, FaZe could've stay in top 5 for example" Wrong. #39
2020-11-13 21:19
20 replies
#58
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United Kingdom pnuTblyat
But then after they kicked Karrigan they brought in IGLs that were 10x worse than him, so it was a retarded choice
2020-11-13 21:34
5 replies
but they tried with neo and xizt. people forget about that too. also #39
2020-11-13 21:35
4 replies
#60
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United Kingdom pnuTblyat
WHO ARE 10X WORSE IGL THAN KARRIGAN
2020-11-13 21:36
3 replies
how could faze know that? karrigan didn't work for them anymore so they kept changing.
2020-11-13 21:37
2 replies
#64
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United Kingdom pnuTblyat
0/8
2020-11-13 21:39
0/8
2020-11-13 22:04
karrigan made something that was obviously a joke, i mean putting it down to seconds when Niko was gonna take over the IGL in G2 any1 with even a slice of social awareness could see that was a joke, then Niko decided to go full retard mode with a spergy reply, no wonder people shit on him with that attitude.
2020-11-13 22:10
11 replies
wasn't it shitty by karrigan to add salt to injury, to continue provoking niko when the whole hltv was shit storming him? niko defended himself and he did it well.
2020-11-13 22:12
10 replies
continue provoking niko? dude it was literally G2 who made that joke tweet about when niko would take over, karrigan just replied in a joky way to something that clearly was intended as a joke however with nikos reply it suddenly changed all of that lol
2020-11-13 22:16
9 replies
"joky" way. no it was a clever bitchy way that he took an advantage of. g2 can write shit, we know it's a joke but when an ex teammate writes that it's completely different.
2020-11-13 22:20
8 replies
when an ex team mates write it putting it down to exact seconds it's obviously a joke, expected that some balkan dog is too socially stupid to see it though.
2020-11-13 22:22
7 replies
Wrong. He should have stayed out of it, especially considering circumstances.
2020-11-13 22:25
6 replies
wrong he had every right to make that joke. Look how biased you in every single respond in here holy shit "cHanGe mY mInD" lmfao you obviously fray away from any discussion and refuse to look at it objectively. This is why shitting on niko and his delusional fanbase will never get old, cringe balkan dogs all of you
2020-11-14 02:55
5 replies
Another insult in lack of counterarguments. I just stated the facts. And yes, I changed my opinion partially regarding the mouz situation as seen from some replies.
2020-11-14 08:48
4 replies
you just stated facts? hahaha you said he shouldnt have posted a reply, do you realise that's an opinion of yours and not a fact. You're not this retarded are you? Expected from a spergy nik0 fangay tho. You have in non of your replies shown any form of difference in attitude, you sperg out every time someone disagrees with you cause you can't handle the fact that faze was dogshit without karrigan while it will do just fine without niko
2020-11-14 09:30
3 replies
only one sperging and calling names is you. also you shamelesly lied about 2 tournaments. there were about 10 hltv.org/stats/teams/events/6667/faze?st.. calling names behind your keyboard doesn't change the facts.
2020-11-15 15:49
2 replies
lmfao you're comparing the team with allu, kioshima and aizy to olof niko and guardian and think it's only because niko joined? hahahah holy shit you are so delusional. The funny thing is niko never achived shit with the exact same team after karrigan left
2020-11-20 00:23
1 reply
you literally can't read. haahahahah
2020-11-20 00:26
hltv.org/team/5996/tsm#tab-achievementsB.. 5 1st place 5 2nd place,totally cant get over semis
2020-11-14 13:50
1 reply
2020-11-15 15:26
#43
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Denmark dR_JaCkPoT
when somebody says "change my mind" you know they are not gonna change their mind no matter what.
2020-11-13 21:16
1 reply
try me
2020-11-13 21:19
wat
2020-11-13 21:19
Karrigan is not a bad IGL. He for sure is a legend when it comes to team building and putting structure to up and coming players. However he is not as good as a lot of people say. There is a reason why he never won a major. It's not just bad luck. With his playstyle and his often very very weak midround calls he will never be able to compete as a top1 contender. I would even go so far to say, that he individual skill is better than is ingame leading. He has done a great job in mousesports, no doubt. He made them a solid team again. But to be a solid top 5 team or to win a major they will have to replace him with someone else.
2020-11-13 21:20
2 replies
Very intelligent insight. For mouz situation, he wasn't alone #19
2020-11-13 21:23
+1
2020-11-15 15:59
always choked but somehow won 5 LANs and reached multiple other finals
2020-11-13 21:38
1 reply
#46 point is that he was far from unlocking their potential
2020-11-13 21:42
#69
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Denmark Duke1996
2020-11-13 21:50
he should be a coach but i think you’re giving him too much shit he’s not that bad
2020-11-13 21:57
2 replies
I never said he's bad. I said he's overrated. #50 is close to my opinion.
2020-11-13 22:03
1 reply
fair enough
2020-11-14 00:33
#78
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Asia loveall
No one overrates him, he is good in developing strats.
2020-11-13 22:06
1 reply
people definetely overrate him. he's good but not that good.
2020-11-13 22:14
#80
smooya | 
Switzerland x676
can't change your mind coz you are totally right
2020-11-13 22:07
1 reply
<3
2020-11-13 23:08
malding
2020-11-13 22:13
He always goes in first contact lul, he could play like snappi , blamef , stanislaw, Jame, etc and statpadd with his tactics being around him even if as a 3rd fragger. hltv.org/stats/players/openingkills?star.. look at attemps % , him and aleksib and boombl4 , they dont care about stats.
2020-11-13 22:19
OK so ropz said he is helping karrigan to call, so he maybe some day could be IGL. Mousesports have no coach right now and i think karrigan would be great coach. If he would go to coach role, they could sign some good AWPer or even rifler. Then surely mouz top 1.
2020-11-13 22:24
1 reply
Not every IGL want to be a coach or at least not directly after retiring.
2020-11-13 23:45
who care about strat if you can't hit a shot
2020-11-13 22:24
Karrigan is the only IGL who took 3 different teams to 1# and winning t1 trophies with each lineup, he has been winning tournaments even in 1.6. > didnt win shit until niko was in the lineup? you mean in those 3 months between karrigan and niko joining? wow thats amazing what did faze win again after karrigan left, some bo1 dogshit tourneys? amazing > they were abusing the kriegs now?, you know you can actually go back and see who used that weap the most during these times, newsflash non of the players you mentioned are even in top5 hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11816/ropz.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11816/froz.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11816/s1mp.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11816/rpk?.. hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11816/alek.. Just take a look at ropz frozen and some other random players wep statistics during the last 3 months of 2019 > the only reason he asked choko to start calling is because the spergy balkan idiot was already questioning every call and dividing the team, there would be no point for him to continue calling at that point.
2020-11-13 22:27
16 replies
1. He didn't do it alone he had the best players. 2. Three months is three months. isn't it strange that faze got top2 instantly after niko joining? try to figure that out. 3. abusing the sg, as in exploiting a feature in the game that wasn't even supposed to be in the game. they were the best sg players that's why they were top 1, only partially because of karrigan 3. witchhunt by an obvious hater
2020-11-13 22:37
13 replies
1. Funny how success seem to follow him around and as soon as he left faze they fall apart struggling to even stay in top10. What did these "best players" in faze achieve after he was gone? And what did the mousesports players achieve before he arrived? Woxic stuck in Hellraisers not even qualifying for tournaments, frozen a completely unproven talent without a single t1 match on his resumé. 2. 3 months is next to nothing, considering this was also during the christmas break they literally only had 1 or 2 chances of winning a tournament in this period. Funny how Niko was achieving shit in his team before joining faze? 3. Wasnt even supposed to be in the game?, wtf are you talking about hahaha valve buffed the gun, well they actually only lowered the price, which led to people using it more, how is that abusing or exploting the game lmfao how dumb are you hahaha. I see you completely failed to look at any statistics and continues to talk out of your ass, so ill sum up the statistics for you: both frozen and ropz didnt get more kills with the SG than the majority of other pros, they still got more kills with the m4a4 and AK47 during the last 3 months of 2019. 4. Nah several of the other team mates said they should never have kicked karrigan, only niko seem to be the salty one still holding a grudge for whatever reason.
2020-11-13 23:14
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1. Wrong. #39 #46 2. Wrong. niko was hard carrying mouz and faze wasn't looking promising without him. again, they started being top2 after he joined 3. You are dumb cuz you already forgot how everyone thought that sg should be nerfed all the time. A scoped gun was never a CS signature. but you might be partially right, they were generally the best players and top 1 only partially because of karrigan. 4. they obviously hoped for the better and it was a decision anyone would make. faze was bad for months and karrigan had 0.8 rating so ofc they cut him, who wouldn't. pronax was arguably even better igl than karrigan and after they kicked him fnatic won 6 tournaments in a row.
2020-11-13 23:26
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1. But they werent playing for a long time with karrigan in faze until niko joined, they literally had 3 months of time one of them being a christmas break lmfao. Niko achieved absolutely nothing in mouz before joining faze not to mention mousesports became waaaay better after he left. 2. Niko never hard carried anything hence why every roster he has been at have improved after his departue, meanwhile he managed to win zero t1 tournaments without karrigan ever. 3. What you're saying here doesnt even make sense, you just said they abused an exploit in the game for buying a gun???? 4. They were bad during the time up until karrigan left because Nikos toxicity ruined the team. Ofc no1 wants to call when someone is always question, saying stuff like "are you sure?" after every call is being made lmfao. pronax never achieved anything in any other team unlike Karrigan. The fact that fnatic continued their dominant form without him just clarifies how little impact he really had. Not to mention the fact that pronax immediately fell off and never achieved anything ever again with a new team and he isnt even older than karrigan. The fact that Rain went out publicly and said that they should never have kicked karrigan or the fact that a guy like olof said that he had never learned as much from one single person as he did from karrigan says enough.
2020-11-14 00:03
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1. Repeating the same, wrong. 2. "niko never hard carried anything" you gotta be kidding me right? completely delusional 3. They were the best because, besides their raw skill, because of a feature that wasn't even meant to be significant in CS. 4. Witchunt, already addressed that somewhere else. Pronax had different players in fnatic. "The fact that fnatic continued their dominant form without just clarifies how little impact he really had." Wrong. The fnatic core realized that he was outdated, not that he was useless during the winning period. karigan was also outdated for faze. olof also said that niko is one of the best players to touch the game if not the best. you just keep on cherry picking things that you like. bottom line is karrigan is good but waaaay too overrated.
2020-11-14 00:15
He never had the best players. Did he play even once in a team with the nr1 player in the world?? I don't think so. And Mouz has as Veteran ChrisJ who was never near top 50. You talk so much bullshit cuz you are a noob and inferior compares to superior Karrigan. So you have to talk shit.
2020-11-13 23:43
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he had in tsm and faze at least. name a more individually skilled team at the time if you can. I can give him credit if he contributed to uncovering frozen and woxic. but only if. chris played very good with sg. instead of insulting me, try to give some arguments, blind fanboy.
2020-11-13 23:46
7 replies
he never played with the best players in the world. Don't repeat your lies Trump Jr.
2020-11-13 23:47
6 replies
no arguments as expected. we're done.
2020-11-13 23:47
2 replies
Did Karrigan play with Cold? with S1mple? with zywho?? can't remember. You have obv no chance against the truth.
2020-11-15 15:40
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cold is way past his prime since 2017. you cant compare him to s1mple and zywoo.
2020-11-15 15:44
pepega. but he had the most skilled rosters and at times both device and niko were the best players.
2020-11-15 15:31
2 replies
LUL he never had. Astralis or old TSMm weren't close to being the best team. And Faze was outshined by Bra71l. LUL
2020-11-15 15:39
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they were both top 3 and tsm had a period where they won multiple events in a row, they were also usually beating fnatic. btw i was talking about the individual skill of the roster, not the actual level they were at as a whole. and yes, device and niko both had periods where they were the best when karrigan had them.
2020-11-15 15:42
+1 karrigan shit talkers are cringe
2020-11-13 23:36
Is there some kind of bug on those stats? I mean, all of them have the exact same number of kills with all the weapons, so I guess it's not working properly, at least from my side. Saying this, Frozen abused Krieg super hard, I remember how he was flying on Train every time and how he went from top fragger to mid low after krieg was fixed.
2020-11-14 09:47
#112
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Europe Jimboo
he's like lebron in csgo, very good at his job, but doesn't have killer instinct, and wins a big trophy only rarely just like Lebron in nba finals. gla1ve - MJ karrigan - Lebron
2020-11-14 00:08
1 reply
+1
2020-11-14 09:32
People always call him a bot though. People constantly criticize his fragging ability (justifiably so) which is when others bring up his igl-ing. You think he's overrated cause you just read people praising him while ignoring people talking shit about him.
2020-11-14 00:18
Ok mr.dumb.
2020-11-14 08:54
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2020-11-14 09:00
Karrigan is not bad on the IGL side but he lacks some firepower, he usually doesn't have impact at all and suicides to get info, like pushing with smg on long range when he knows someone is there.
2020-11-14 09:49
FaZe's achievements before karrigan was benched: 1. StarLadder i-League StarSeries Season 3 Finals 2. ELEAGUE CSGO Premier 2017 3. ESL One New York 2017 4. ECS Season 4 Finals 5. IEM Sydney 2018 6. ESL One Belo Horizonte 2018 7. EPICENTER 2018 FaZe's achievements after karrigan was benched: 1. ELEAGUE CSGO Invitational 2019 2. Group Stages on the regular Seasons of a few Blast tournaments 3. A Tier-3 qualifier event mousesports achievements before karrigan was added: 1. ESG Tour Mykonos 2017 2. StarSeries i-League Season 4 3. V4 Future Sports Festival 2018 4. ESL One New York 2018 mousesports achievements after karrigan was added: 1. CSGO Asia Championships 2019 2. ESL Pro League Season 10 Finals 3. cs_summit 5 4. ICE Challenge 2020 "kArRiGaN oVeRrAtEd"
2020-11-14 10:15
1 reply
reasons addressed multiple times already.
2020-11-15 18:51
0/8 Nt kiddo
2020-11-14 10:27
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2020-11-14 11:33
6 months untill g2 dead and u guys will know the reason
2020-11-14 10:32
1 reply
Wrong. G2 was playing bad for months now. We'll see if they improve with niko. if they go back downhill, it doesn't prove it's nikos fault.
2020-11-14 11:35
#169
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Indonesia Exodd
He's alright man wdym
2020-11-14 11:43
sure here we go: point 1: he had 4 months to win a tournament including a player break before niko joined (only ESL pro league finals and Eleague major atalanta happened) 2: he commented on this in an interview, the TSM team had a choking problem but remember, they were one of the most consistent teams with all young players at that time. they often made semi's of finals but couldnt close it out, this changed after they hired a sports psychologist and obviously gla1ve started IGL (with already a very strong team) 3. same interveiw as previous, the team started doubting his calls, with important calls he got responses like: you sure about that? i can see that messes your confidence up and if the team doubts your calls and your confidence isnt on the highest point you cant do a good job as IGL, especially in important situations. thats where you might get overwhelmed by people with a high confidence and an outspoken mind. 4. everyone was using the krieg, so abusing isnt really a thing then is it? they actually started using AK's again on t side to not give the CT's the kriegs.
2020-11-14 12:32
9 replies
Also people fail to mention TSM were chokers even before karrigan joined like wtf do you expect when your core is most famous for choking?
2020-11-14 13:08
7 replies
they also fail to mention that all tsm choked in 2015 were majors.
2020-11-14 13:12
2 replies
TSM/astralis core before karrigan 0 t1 trophies with him 5 t1 trophies. And guess what they didnt win much after he left too. Literally it took astralis 1 year after karrigan kick to win anything. So shut the fuck up already we all know karrigan is good iGL
2020-11-14 13:35
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it took them about 2 months to win ecs and 3 months to win a major with gla1ve. they sucked in 2016 and device was hardcarrying them in a lot of tournaments. btw what i said was in karrigan's defense, tsm were a top 3 team that beat fnatic in like 6 out of 8 bo3 series in 2015 and won 5 events. they only choked majors. they were favorites to win cluj or at least reach the final but they got destroyed by nip.
2020-11-14 13:59
i know i know, just wanted to only include periods where karrigan was actually in the team
2020-11-14 13:37
3 replies
I know but it wont change minds of retards like tense.
2020-11-14 13:39
2 replies
because he is right in #200
2020-11-15 16:13
1 reply
He literally posted it at the same time as me and he is extremly delusional to what device is able to do and ovrrates him out of the world and thinks device was bound to win no matter who would replace fetish in dig which is untrue AF because karrigan deffinetly improved TSM core a lot and he handpicked his replacement with zonic. While tense in previous arguments claimed that device and TSM core would win anyway if it wasnt for fetish which is untrue.
2020-11-15 16:44
1. Shameless lies hltv.org/stats/teams/events/6667/faze?st.. That's 10 tournaments/qualifiers. Point is they were stagnating in top 5 before niko joined 2. No. with karrigan, astralis core were stagnating and after they added glaive they started to perform and even won a major 3 months after 3. If he was truly that good they wouldn't doubt his calls. did you see astralis doubting glaive? or vitality doubting alex? 4. Exactly. krieg and mouz's skill with that weapon brought them the titles, not karrigan's igling. why did they stop performing as soon as krieg was nerfed?
2020-11-15 15:43
Karrigan is tactical genius. He is most know of his signature tactic "ropz go kill". He also has second little known tactic of "frozen go kill". What an absolute legend. Top 1 IGL 4 sure!
2020-11-14 12:57
yes
2020-11-15 15:25
he managed to get many trophies leading and building totally different rosters, you know nothing Jon Snow
2020-11-15 15:28
If a team chokes it's not the fault of 1 player, choko kept choking during finals and then became toxic for his own fault in faze that's why faze did not get far guardian wasn't able to carry the team everytime. In faze if they reached semi finals somehow the team would start performing bad only 1-2 players actually would perform. In faze karrigan's job was to just be igl he did not need to kill he had 4 impactful players. Karrigan brought structure to the team, faze tried 5 man fire power after they kicked karrigan they barely got anywhere with that they were doing better when karrigan was on the team. Just imagine faze kicked karrigan and yet to find a replacement for him they still don't realise the importance of having an igl.
2020-11-15 15:56
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1. The biggest reason they got to finals was niko, so him of all ofthem should be excused the blame. 2. he was just mad at himself. he never talks shit to teammates even on fpl. 3. guardian was good not a carry in faze, niko was the carry 4. as previously said, they were bad with karrigan during the last few months.
2020-11-15 19:48
3 replies
absolutely reasonable
2020-11-15 22:54
Last few months karrigan wasn't Calling it was Niko, and Guardian did carry them for many events they did not win all though. If you see every event they won it was just Guardian and Niko going for the MVP I don't know what other's were doing. I am not blaming everything on 1 player it was good initially but rain was inconsistent, guardian, Niko were doing their thing, olof was kinda learning to lurk as that costed them a few times as well. Karrigan was the igl and rotator it was going well but they kept choking during finals. 1-2 players trying to win an event doesn't work everytime. Karrigan was calling, olof as lurk was info, Niko and guardian anchored site but when the AWP looses his support (rain) he is vulnerable. Karrigan is a bad fragger everyone knows that he gets caught trying to rotate but he provided structure which got them that far, when Niko became igl they lost that structure Niko wasn't able to utilise the player's properly, Guardian the guy who has an AWP is throwing smokes and flashes for the team like why? By the time he comes to the site the team is dead and he has to go 1 v x situation. (For reference check the faze vs cloud9 train Ace by Guardian), telling bymas to play like olof and take his roles instead of see what he is comfortable doing. Not everything can be done by everyone just like Karrigan cannot frag like Niko the same way Niko cannot be a igl like Karrigan.
2020-11-16 12:01
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so you're saying that they were bad during the last few months cuz niko called and that karrigan provided the needed structure? 1. That's just speculation. Even if it was true there was a reason why karrigan lost his authority in the team. 2. Yes, I gave him credit for that but any decent igl would do that. 3. No they didn't start underperforming because niko took over (if he did), they were underperforming with karrigan.
2020-11-16 14:43
+1 Agreed.
2020-11-15 20:07
#239
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Portugal Bisontej
+111111 omfg he is so overrated
2020-11-15 23:11
1 dev1ce was the one who choked, also they had cajun and not magiskgod at that time 2 idk rly what your point here is, noshit that you cant win when aizy and jkaem were on the team. Allu and rain were the only decent players at this time 3 false obv, Niko said to all the other Faze players that karrigans calls werent good so he made them all turn on him 4 every team abused the SG, mouz were not even the ones who used it the most I know this is probably bait but still your points are dumb
2020-11-20 00:38
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