Counter arguments are meant to counter valid points, everything you listed is complete bullshit xD

hltv.org/profile/1274766/i-car he does

Zywoo best rifler atm Come again?

Zywoo one of the best riflers same as simple what are you smoking?

"Somebody" brought out the best in them ... 😁 He was in the "hot seat" a month ago or so. He of course knows A LOT about the game and how to "utilize" his fellow teammates. Bymas in FaZe was told: "You just play like Olofmeister" ... yeah, right. Nobody can, and asking a 17 year old to do that ... Look how Bymas is doing now!

I know. A little "smart ass" on my part, but HE brought them back to the top together with Rejin. He of course "shat" in his own front garden, but I think Karrigan is doing fine.

tsm was one of the most consistent teams under karrigan in probably the most competitive era of cs , faze literally won a bunch of big tournaments and went to a major final , a team isn't a team unless theirs a good leader and if you think karrigan ain't good , you are just stupid.

and faze clan and TSM

so he tweeted saying this - did karrigan react to it? If so what was his answer? Or if he did not answer at all then -> youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c

I remember the boston finals and the downfall of faze's team spirit due to not winning that OT hence the finals... if karrigan really asked niko to call during that final - would that mean the team spirit was already bad in that final? Makes me wonder why *ehm niko *ehm* *ehm*

But then after they kicked Karrigan they brought in IGLs that were 10x worse than him, so it was a retarded choice

karrigan made something that was obviously a joke, i mean putting it down to seconds when Niko was gonna take over the IGL in G2 any1 with even a slice of social awareness could see that was a joke, then Niko decided to go full retard mode with a spergy reply, no wonder people shit on him with that attitude.

hltv.org/team/5996/tsm#tab-achievementsB.. 5 1st place 5 2nd place,totally cant get over semis

fair enough

1. Funny how success seem to follow him around and as soon as he left faze they fall apart struggling to even stay in top10. What did these "best players" in faze achieve after he was gone? And what did the mousesports players achieve before he arrived? Woxic stuck in Hellraisers not even qualifying for tournaments, frozen a completely unproven talent without a single t1 match on his resumé. 2. 3 months is next to nothing, considering this was also during the christmas break they literally only had 1 or 2 chances of winning a tournament in this period. Funny how Niko was achieving shit in his team before joining faze? 3. Wasnt even supposed to be in the game?, wtf are you talking about hahaha valve buffed the gun, well they actually only lowered the price, which led to people using it more, how is that abusing or exploting the game lmfao how dumb are you hahaha. I see you completely failed to look at any statistics and continues to talk out of your ass, so ill sum up the statistics for you: both frozen and ropz didnt get more kills with the SG than the majority of other pros, they still got more kills with the m4a4 and AK47 during the last 3 months of 2019. 4. Nah several of the other team mates said they should never have kicked karrigan, only niko seem to be the salty one still holding a grudge for whatever reason.

He never had the best players. Did he play even once in a team with the nr1 player in the world?? I don't think so. And Mouz has as Veteran ChrisJ who was never near top 50. You talk so much bullshit cuz you are a noob and inferior compares to superior Karrigan. So you have to talk shit.

they also fail to mention that all tsm choked in 2015 were majors.

i know i know, just wanted to only include periods where karrigan was actually in the team

absolutely reasonable

Last few months karrigan wasn't Calling it was Niko, and Guardian did carry them for many events they did not win all though. If you see every event they won it was just Guardian and Niko going for the MVP I don't know what other's were doing. I am not blaming everything on 1 player it was good initially but rain was inconsistent, guardian, Niko were doing their thing, olof was kinda learning to lurk as that costed them a few times as well. Karrigan was the igl and rotator it was going well but they kept choking during finals. 1-2 players trying to win an event doesn't work everytime. Karrigan was calling, olof as lurk was info, Niko and guardian anchored site but when the AWP looses his support (rain) he is vulnerable. Karrigan is a bad fragger everyone knows that he gets caught trying to rotate but he provided structure which got them that far, when Niko became igl they lost that structure Niko wasn't able to utilise the player's properly, Guardian the guy who has an AWP is throwing smokes and flashes for the team like why? By the time he comes to the site the team is dead and he has to go 1 v x situation. (For reference check the faze vs cloud9 train Ace by Guardian), telling bymas to play like olof and take his roles instead of see what he is comfortable doing. Not everything can be done by everyone just like Karrigan cannot frag like Niko the same way Niko cannot be a igl like Karrigan.