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United States KinglyFish 
The average person's labor just isn't worth that much anymore. Even STEM jobs are demanding 2-3 years of experience for entry level positions. It's impossible for an average person to earn an honest living and get their white picket fence style "American dream" in this country these days. The shittiest jobs require a college education and get 100's of applications.
2020-11-14 13:12
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Fast food and handegg
2020-11-14 13:13
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modern day bread and circuses.
2020-11-14 13:15
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The problem you're mentioning is far more prominent in practically skilled countries like china, japan, india..........stop crying and develop your skills
2020-11-14 13:32
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Yes I'm aware the issue is worse in countries like SK, China, Japan, India, etc... I'm aiming to get a Grad level education in something specialized and almost guaranteed to make good money. This is from my friends' experiences, not mine. And it's not like they're not skilled anyway.
2020-11-14 13:40
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What #15 must've meant was there being far superiorly skilled masses in the countries he mentioned, who land a job way below even an averagely skilled employee in eu as well as America.
2020-11-15 08:08
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I'm pretty sure what he meant was it's even harder to land tech jobs in those countries with no experience than it is here. Which isn't even true in many of those countries.
2020-11-16 18:39
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#87 is what i meant........
2020-11-26 18:58
didnt know sk gaming is a country
2020-11-16 09:38
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it's full of snakes
2020-11-16 12:16
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we will bite you.... ssssssss.....
2020-11-28 18:33
name checks out as always
2020-11-14 13:45
name checks out
2020-11-15 00:09
YESSSSSS, I was waiting for HANDEGG for a long time!!!! thanks brother
2020-11-16 18:36
Super Bowl >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> World Cup
2020-11-26 16:36
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Netherlands WitnessMe
both are overcommercialized shit
2020-11-26 19:03
This isn't necessarily my situation, but from stories I've heard it's gotten so bad jobs pushing carts at Walmart get 100's or applications.
2020-11-14 13:14
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It's harder to get a job at walmart than get into harvard. That's a fact. time.com/43750/walmart-acceptance-rate-l..
2020-11-14 17:52
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Japan tatsumi
bruh i got a job there when i was 16 with zero work experience whatsoever it’s so ez to get a job there as long as you aren’t a convicted criminal or anything
2020-11-14 18:07
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Your anecdotal evidence of getting hired at one of the 4756 stores definately is more believable than the article. Thanks, I will stop the spread of fake news.
2020-11-14 21:19
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Japan tatsumi
yes, one store in one of the most expensive cities in the world means that getting into an entry level job that doesn’t even require a high school degree is so hard
2020-11-14 21:26
When I worked there 2 years ago there were several convicted felons working there along with all the 16-18 yr/olds with no experience lmao IDK what all these retards are talking about.
2020-11-15 02:48
Lmao
2020-11-16 22:19
That's amusing but it doesn't take into account the types of people applying.
2020-11-21 04:46
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Who cares? That's a literal bottom of the barrel job with bottom of barrel pay and nonexistent benefits. In a healthy job market they'd be competing to find people to work there and offering some kind of incentive.
2020-11-26 16:46
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Wrong. There are so many people who lack experience, and just want easy part time work.
2020-11-26 18:56
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How the fuck is experience at Walmart gonna help you lmao. I thought this "well rounded candidate" meme was dead, companies only care about relevant work experience. Walmart doesn't prepare you for anything useful.
2020-11-26 22:53
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These people lack the experience, education, or mental capacity required to get hired anywhere other than Walmart. I never said that Walmart is a good jumping off point. It's just the only option for many people. Regardless, you made a strange pivot away from my original point. I was only pointing out the absurdity of comparing the people applying to Walmart to the people applying to Harvard.
2020-11-27 04:15
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All I'm trying to do is get you to acknowledge an obvious decline in the quality of jobs. 1950's: plenty of good paying, low skill union jobs 2020: barely enough minimum wage jobs that can't cover rent.
2020-11-27 22:29
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But I was never arguing against that lmao. You came out of no where with that. Just looking for an argument I guess? I will acknowledge that there are a lot of shitty jobs now, perhaps more than there were back then. But I do think that there are plenty of Union jobs out there, most people are just too dumb to look for them or too lazy to take them. They'd rather ring up groceries all day than swing a sledge hammer and earn more.
2020-11-28 00:02
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I made the thread so it's not like I came out of nowhere and started replying. There's a good chance I may reply to comments on the thread. Let's be real about that... The only real union jobs are in the trades and maybe a few in construction (not many). Sure the people applying to Walmart may not be elite quality, but should you need to be elite quality just to get a living wage?
2020-11-28 05:54
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You should be paid based on your abilities. What exactly is a living wage? The fact that you made the thread is irrelevant to the fact that you couldn't follow the topic being discussed.
2020-11-28 07:03
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You should've just said you're a libertarian to begin with. We'll see how you feel about that once AI takes your job or at least automates large parts of it so you end up making less money. hltv.org/forums/threads/2382295/ai-takeo.. What sector do you work in anyway? Your argument is basically anyone who can't find a decent job is dumb and lazy, plus you're paid according to your ability. There's really nothing to follow there, it's about as generic of a viewpoint as it gets.
2020-11-28 17:48
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I wouldn't say that I'm a libertarian but I'm not a communist either. Minimum wage should be raised but it's nonsense to equate all work. Life isn't fair. Not everyone can play in the NBA.
2020-11-28 18:29
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No one's equating all work. A doctor should absolutely be paid multiple times more than a cashier. An engineer should absolutely be paid multiple times more than a waiter. I'm just saying there needs to be a better system to train entry level employees, which also prevents catastrophic shortages for experienced employees later on. And the minimum wage anywhere should buy you a shitty 1 bedroom apartment, food, insurance, etc... If we agree on that we're in agreement.
2020-11-28 19:06
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Agreed.
2020-11-28 20:37
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Ireland tka4
I mean, it's about 45% of people in US have college degrees, so it's just below average. I would say the fact that you graduate and kind find jobs even after doing an internship is unfair, although it depends how serious that person takes his job opportunities after college. My cousin from NY didn't do shit to find jobs in college, so he had to pay for some course that a company provides, after which you get a low position in that company He's in Arizona now and seems fine
2020-11-14 13:16
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Internships are ultra competitive though (that depends on the major though). And many of those 45% are young people, which makes the entry level market flooded with bachelor's degrees. STEM is still alright, but it's starting to get very competitive as well.
2020-11-14 13:22
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Ireland tka4
Yeah fair enough, there bound to be shortages if there's too much supply Depends on majors as you said, people with Humanities degrees have a hard time now and would be fucked later, which makes me with my BSc Economics worried a lot
2020-11-14 13:29
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Honestly I'd learn excel and some "lite" data science skills like tableau if I were you. It will help you land some analyst roles depending on your industry.
2020-11-14 13:31
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Ireland tka4
Yeah that's what I'm doing already, third of my modules are stats and data analysis
2020-11-14 13:32
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Yeah I wouldn't go full data scientist though. Enormous time investment and it's easier just to learn Javascript and become an Software Engineer anyway.
2020-11-14 13:34
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But the market is overflooded with wannabe frontend developers nowadays. Im junior myself. Our company were looking for 2 new juniors to project, and got over 300 applications wtf
2020-11-15 00:05
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It's filled with wannabe data scientists as well so take your pick.
2020-11-15 02:30
USA's main problem is that the media constantly lies to people and manipulates them. They will tell you to get a degree when in reality most of them are useless and will only put you into a debt hole.
2020-11-14 13:19
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The average person in America should just go into the trades and aim to start their own business after finding a business owner mentor to work under for a while. But,... youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4 Once the next version of this comes out and it's compressed and made cheaper, I seriously think the average person (some office drone) may be out of a job permanently.
2020-11-14 13:26
Fully agree
2020-11-14 13:20
move to some place like Iowa and cook meth ez
2020-11-14 13:24
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No indiana is better for meth
2020-11-14 17:55
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thanks for the tip
2020-11-14 18:05
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No problem mens)))
2020-11-14 18:21
Albuquerque better, proven and tested by Walter White.
2020-11-26 16:41
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Nah that's a great show but IRL indiana is where it's at
2020-11-27 05:22
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United States theory^
No new mexico better for meth ask walter
2020-11-16 07:34
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too mainstream
2020-11-16 08:27
"2-3 years of experience" usually includes going to school.
2020-11-14 13:27
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Lmao since when. Every job is just gonna get automated anyway. youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4 And it can code as well lmao.
2020-11-14 13:29
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lmao since always buddy. and no, they're not.
2020-11-14 13:32
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Watch the video, and that's just an early version. It's already smarter than the average person, let's be real.
2020-11-14 13:32
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you act as if every job needs someone smarter than the average person. Or that people would stand by as AI completely robs them of their ability to live lol let's be really real.
2020-11-14 13:34
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The Midwest stood by and let their manufacturing jobs be taken by China and robots, you think a people on the coasts are gonna be any tougher? And why wouldn't you pay an above average AI nothing instead of hiring a less intelligent average person.
2020-11-14 13:38
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Europe jigglepeek
wtf are you talking about. outsourcing isnt about knowledge its about prices. get your shit together.
2020-11-14 17:49
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Different causes, same result. What's your point?
2020-11-14 20:21
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Europe jigglepeek
and yet you are served at the supermarket by a cashier and not by a robot. stop mixing stuff together without any deep knowledge. trump style.
2020-11-15 02:44
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Yes we're talking about things that are going to happen in the future or may happen in the future. Not whether cashiers have their jobs right now. I don't think you even know what we're talking about.
2020-11-15 02:54
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Europe jigglepeek
hahahahahaha. 100% trump style. stop talking bullshit. usa main problem is stupid people and i guess you belong to this problem.
2020-11-15 13:13
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Dude I'm talking the future impacts of automation and AI, and your only actual argument is 'wElL uR cAsHiEr Is HuMaN'. And you think I'm the idiot, talk about oblivious lmao.
2020-11-16 03:44
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"Every job is just gonna get automated anyway." yet there are thousands of jobs which could be automated and arent automated. your iq must be below 20. but thats just normal for you anti intellectual americans :))))))))
2020-11-16 12:10
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Dude your IQ must be in the negatives. All you can do is insult because you have no intellectual arguments and barely even understand what the topic of conversation here is (you've gotten it confused multiple times). Your only "serious" argument is 'there's still cashiers' therefore automation isn't a problem. 0/8
2020-11-16 18:35
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i dont got the topic wrong you just mix everything together from uneducated labour isnt worth anything to everything will get automated. get your shit together and stop talking about things you dont have fkn clue about like job automation. you are just like trump and i wont give you any attention anymore :)))))))
2020-11-16 19:35
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Lmao 0/8 "you dont have fkn clue about like job automation" Dude you have nothing intellectual to say, just stop replying. Cashiers not being robots aren't proof that no automation is coming. Hopefully you're trolling.
2020-11-16 22:13
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Lebanon Dogman69
lul if you take the 2-3 xp seriously and decide to not apply because of that
2020-11-14 13:32
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I'm not in the position to do so at the moment since I have a unique track, but this is from my friends' experiences. And yeah everyone ignores the 2-3 years of experience, but they'll always choose that guy over you. And there's always a guy that's applying entry level with experience these days.
2020-11-14 13:35
How can you say it’s impossible for people to get jobs when ~80% of graduates from decent universities have a job already lined up and more have internship experience already? If you go to university and you aren’t an absolute moron you should have no issue getting a job unless you live in the middle of nowhere. A shortage of jobs is definitely not a problem in the US (ignoring numbers since COVID because that is temporary).
2020-11-14 13:38
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Dude 10% of people do internships. And I think you're getting the 80% for jobs from placement rates, which include people who gave up and went to grad school, people who're underemployed for their level of education (engineer doing some apprentice level tech job), and then some who managed to land an actual job after 6 months of searching.
2020-11-14 13:43
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No im talking about people who have a job directly out of university. If your theory were true you’d see sky-high unemployment among late 90s folk, which wasn’t really true until COVID. If you conflate COVID impact with normality then obviously it looks like the us lacks jobs. If you compare normality to normality everything is fine. There is a reason nobody rational is claiming unemployment is going to kill the USA. And yes, some jobs will be automated, but there’s this really cool thing where new sectors are created with the times and each sector creates jobs. The market isn’t stagnant. It evolves. That’s not a bad thing to have the economy be optimized...
2020-11-15 05:00
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The jobs being created are in highly technical areas and there's less of them than were "low skill" jobs prior to the automation. That's really just a fact. "late 90's folk" are older Gen-Z are they're doing even worse than the millennials on every imaginable metric. There's no sky high unemployment because the guy with a degree driving for uber-eats, working some shitty warehouse job, etc... isn't considered unemployed. If we measured unemployment by people without a full time job or are underemployed then the number is probably above 70% for late 90's folk.
2020-11-26 16:57
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You can beat around the bushes as much you want. The fact is there is absolutely zero evidence to what you’re saying besides here say and every piece of evidence points to the opposite of what you’re saying being true.
2020-11-27 14:30
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Lol there's plenty of evidence that points to exactly what I say. Including wealth differences between Boomers and Gen-Z/Millennials (even at the same age), surging cost of living, stagnant wages, etc... Where's your supposed evidence that says otherwise man?
2020-11-27 22:26
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Wealth difference is caused by time in the workforce (pretty obvious tbh). Cost of living is increasing in certain areas because of population density (also pretty obvious tbh). And wages aren’t stagnant. Which of my claims should I provide a source to? I’d be glad to do so if you could specify. At this point however, your analysis seems to assume correlation and causation are the same.
2020-11-28 04:35
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"Wealth difference is caused by time in the workforce" I said even adjusted for time in the workforce (at the same age) "Cost of living is increasing in certain areas because of population density" Cost of living everywhere is increasing, regardless of population density. "And wages aren’t stagnant" Completely factually incorrect adjusted for inflation on virtually every metric (college, rent, cost of buying a house, transportation, food, gas, etc...) Dude don't not fact check literally anything, then call your factually incorrect viewpoint "pretty obvious". Still waiting for your evidence.
2020-11-28 05:58
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ourworldindata.org/grapher/average-years.. Only source needed to disprove your entire theory
2020-11-30 04:25
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The funny part is if you actually move the slider, wages barely change from all the way from 1990. And either way even if that slider supported something in your position (which is very clearly doesn't), it doesn't disprove everything I said.
2020-11-30 04:35
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I’m beginning to think you don’t have eyes. If your theory were true that education has become less valuable, the United States would be moving down since 1990. It clearly isn’t thus your theory is wrong. It was an “ok” theory at face value but any in depth look into it shows it’s dumb. You still haven’t provided any sources either btw
2020-11-30 15:17
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investopedia.com/ask/answers/101314/what.. I said wages are stagnant, as in staying the same which is exactly what your chart says by YOUR own admission lmao. I also said cost of living is going up, proven by this source. And I'll use your source as proof that wages are stagnant lmao. Says I don't have eyes while providing evidence for my argument lol, which is just facts based on number anyway. Maybe you don't have eyes dude lol.
2020-11-30 16:51
Well, all over the world the jobs that don't require education is going away, but it needs to be the right education so a college degree may not be what in demand. Many jobs that used to be like low skill ones is now held by people operating machines that require some education, but then do the work of five people. This can for example be people that are trained as carpenters, welders and so on - they still work within their trade only using specialized equipment and a college degree is no good for that. It is called automation and the Corona is only gonna push more jobs in that direction, nothing is gonna stop that happening over time. First many of the jobs moved to low income areas, then to foreign low income countries. Now those are being automated which then actually means production may return to being domestic, only it is with a lot less people in use. It is a global phenomenon and the only thing that combats that is the right education, making it so that everyone can do the higher skilled jobs which are then also higher paid ones. It is why a country like mine can have high wages for all, low working hours and this while exporting more than we import so finances are good - with a plus on trade there isn't the massive debt which makes things difficult.
2020-11-14 13:40
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Denmark is different. I'm not entirely sure what you guys do right, but I'm not sure how a McDonald's worker is paid 20 dollars an hour considering the abundance of labor (unions?). This is definitely worth a watch: youtube.com/watch?v=PqbB07n_uQ4 Your argument begs the question, what happens after the robots/AI become smarter than us? This AI already seems smarter than the average person and can do rudimentary - intermediate programming.
2020-11-14 13:50
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Germany I_car
Well universal basic income could be the future and a less capitalist system
2020-11-14 13:57
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We'll probably need it until our AI overlords decide we're redundant.
2020-11-14 13:59
Unions here are really strong and it is the same in many European countries. The wast majority of people are unionized. We do not have a minimum wage set by laws, but most employers are organized in a employer organization and the different trade unions make agreements with those organizations. So this then means most employers are bound by those agreements with set up like minimum wage, that a certain amount most be set aside for employee training, how hiring and firing is to be done and so on. You mention McDonald's and in fact some two-three decades ago McDonalds, which back then was a new employer in Denmark, did not want to organize arguing that they provided fine conditions for their workers. The trade unions did not agree, so this then eventually became a "battle" where the unions would insist those organized was not to work with McDonald's - this then meant McDonald's found they could not get goods delivered, their trash removed and so on. These days McDonal's is organized and their emplyoes have all the things we take for granted ie. good pay, extra pay for working odd hours like evenings and weekends, a pension plan, paid sick days, long paid maternity leave, 37 hour work weeks... Lots and lots of the jobs most today think of as skilled jobs is going to de done by AI when that technology mature, meaning when it becomes cheaper, better and so on. Those jobs will include most customer service support jobs not done in person, the cooking of food in fast food joints, many delivery and pick up jobs... so really we are gonna need to find other ways to earn a living or a system where those that not working gets not only money but also something meaningful to do. As part of our social welfare system we do have the money thing covered for now. Anyone which is unable to work for some reason, gets money to still live a decent life here (we have very very few homeless people here). However when we imagine a future where much more is done by computers and thus many more not being needed in the workplace, the question is of course how can we finance the welfare system. For sure it will take a lot of radically different thinking and it will not be easy - but I think it will come easier in the places with really solid welfare systems.
2020-11-14 14:33
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The thing is unions can disappear over time like they did in America, so appreciate what you have and don't take it for granted. Your labor market can become like our's overnight without unions. The video seems like something out a sci fi movie, and honestly I think AI replacing humans isn't a future possibility and it's probably gonna happen in 5-10 years.
2020-11-14 20:33
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I do not see unions going away here. Things here are very stable. Governments here is almost always build on multiple parties and there is a consensus tradition, so really it is nuances that changes depending who is in government. Also when there is a change in government pretty much the whole layer of civil servants stays on, hardly any is political appointed and this helps maintaining consistency and also a high level of knowledge and skills. On the AI thing it is already happening - like for example many mundane types of legal work is being taken over by computer programs. In the medical profession there is AI aiding in analysis of data and so on. And in other fields computers has long replaced armies of people doing calculations, design drawings and what not.
2020-11-14 21:24
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Well that sounds like a good system, but it doesn't mean the unions can't go away sadly. Unions were very strong and embedded here as well, but the good union jobs are long gone.
2020-11-16 18:41
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It is a good system, but of course nothing is guaranteed to last forever. However the Danish model as it is know is a very well established one. Here is a bit more info: denmark.dk/society-and-business/the-dani..
2020-11-16 18:55
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Yeah I looked over that, seems somewhat similar to Canada's system. Hopefully, once I get some work experience I can make the transition and move to Canada.
2020-11-16 19:01
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Canada is a nice place also. In many ways they seem to have a sort of European nation only located in North America and with lots more space than we have in Europe.
2020-11-16 19:04
To both #28 and #40 We have been talking about replacing people with machines for decades, but there seems to be new jobs popping up all the time, so it hasn´t really put too many people out of jobs. The jobs just change and require new, more advanced skill sets. Unemployment rates go up and down for other reasons. As for the McDonalds case: Unions and centre/left politicians are keeping a close eye on new players coming into the danish work market, and they are being forced to operate within the danish framework. Uber and Ryan Air tried to challenge the rules in recent years, but they lost. The chinese tried to make a mining deal on Greenland, planning to ship in 5000 chinese workers to work after chinese rules (thats how China operate all over the World). They were told the workers would have to be paid danish sized wages anyway, so they dropped it. I think the next big player to take on the danish work market will be Amazon.
2020-11-15 00:09
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I expect you're right about Amazon. Seeing how they was allowed to rung things in the UK it is something I find totally appalling, but they are not the only not having employees and instead have individuals under contracts with them each being their own one man company. Isn't Wolt also doing so in a equally problematic way I also think fx. some hair saloons, physical therapist clinics and is doing the same thing. The trouble is to essentially protect people from being taken advantage of, while on the same time not killing the individuals right to run a business. On the automation and changes in jobs over time you are of course right, only this time round I suspect a lot of jobs people imagines would go away may be on the brink of doing so. Often changes in the jobs available has been overcome with re-schooling and also some of the people impacted simply reaching retirement age, but I can see changes this time being of a magnitude that it will be hard to just do that. Then again who knows the future.
2020-11-15 00:30
Big part of the problem is all the lost jobs to China since the 80s, and you get all the south-americans migrants getting all the lowest paying jobs.. it's a mess Trump wanted to clean up, but he's got the swamp on his back.
2020-11-14 13:56
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Lmao he didn't do anything. Those jobs from China aren't coming back. We could've at least had some green energy jobs or infrastructure jobs though, but he didn't initiate any ideas like that. He was about to do something good with his h1-b plan, but he lost the election so that's probably not happening anymore.
2020-11-14 13:58
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Don't be oblivious. Before the pandemic you had the lowest unemployment numbers for blacks and hispanic so his foreign trade policy did bring some back clearly.
2020-11-14 14:16
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That's from the endless stock market gains. Nothing came from China dude lol.
2020-11-14 14:17
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You are stupid, you have zero idea how the world works. Go study the stock market.
2020-11-14 15:16
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Lol. It's definitely you who's stupid. Even if the stock market and real economy are somewhat disconnected, if business is at least perceived as going good employers will obviously hire more.
2020-11-14 20:20
As supply chains have started to leave China they've mostly gone to poorer countries like Thailand though and not the US. This is the reality of American manufacturing. I don't know why right wingers feel otherwise. As the man said investments in new sectors like renewables or if republicans in congress ever reveal their fabled "infrastructure package" perhaps the government could help in the creation of better jobs. Anyone can work at Burger King it just fucking sucks to work there and you can't live off it.
2020-11-14 20:54
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+1 The Danish dude we're replying to comes from a country with a competent government (unlike ours). Then, he looks across the pond and sees Donald Trump as a good president for whatever reason lmao. No explaining that logic...
2020-11-16 19:00
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I'd try to explain to you but I can already see the 404
2020-11-29 05:48
Trump is part of the swamp. While in office he has taken every opportunity to put money in his and his children's pockets. Even his collection of money to try and steal the election, guess what - half the money goes into what will finance him afterwards rather those silly law suits ie. it is just a con he runs to collect money.
2020-11-14 17:43
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Finland kappaboi
Same problem almost everywhere in Western world
2020-11-14 14:01
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Yeah but at least you guys have something resembling a welfare state.
2020-11-14 14:03
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I even get $400/month for going to university and i only pay for books and gas for the car.
2020-11-14 18:16
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Denmark or Sweden?
2020-11-14 20:33
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Sweden.
2020-11-14 20:56
It's the same in Denmark.
2020-11-14 21:03
Work up some money, buy some property in the middle of nowhere and start farming men
2020-11-14 14:04
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farming real man's job. Name checks out.
2020-11-14 14:09
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Farming/hunting, being in charge of your own life. Only way out from this shit.
2020-11-14 15:00
The problem is kids want 100k a year job as a first job and aren't willing to work their way up in a company, so they quit and start a new job every year or 2.
2020-11-14 14:17
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Working your way up doesnt work anymore. Switching jobs is the fastest way to progress.
2020-11-14 14:59
Dude if you're in your 20's your in your best growth years, you can't afford to waste them accepting your companies 2% raises lmao.
2020-11-14 20:19
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Its called advancement. You dont get only 2% a year when you find a career you actually advance with. When you top out in your profession you might get that 2% a year, but that is already after you have reached a higher paying job. Employers dont want to see you have had 5 different jobs in the last 5 years and they will pick a employee that will stick with them for the long term over someone who will be there for a year and leave.
2020-11-14 23:35
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This is kind of true, my recommendation to people struggling is to get any job they can at first, then leave after two years and stick with their next company for 5-6 years.
2020-11-15 02:34
I think USA still has many more jobs for unskilled labor, than you see in some other 1st world countries. It will stay that way as long as unskilled labor is numerous, not unionized and therefore can be had for very low wages. In agriculture, supermarkets and restaurants you will see many more employees in USA than in a country like Denmark. An unskilled worker in Denmark will still earn close to 50000$ in a full time job (33-35000 after taxes), where an average job like mine, teacher with 7 years experience, will get 70000$ (46000 after taxes) ... I´m reading those numbers off my paycheck. With so high wages for unskilled labor, there will only be a minimum number of employees at restaurants etc, so you work hard for your wage.
2020-11-14 18:07
4 replies
The average American worker only works 3 out of their 8 assigned hours out of dissatisfaction, so we need more workers to do the same thing. Of course Boomer MBA management thinks their system is the best and is ultra efficient.
2020-11-14 20:37
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I´ve heard this before, but doesn´t know from personal experience. But productivity is an issue, if you want to explain how danes can manage with fewer employees working shorter hours: Danes work 37 hours per week, with 3-6 weeks paid vacation (depending of job type). Maternity leave is 6 months with full pay + 6 months with unemployment benefits (which is around half of full pay). These things have been negotiated centrally between unions and the association of employers, and it can only add up, if people work hard and smart when they work = high productivity I don´t see a similar development in USA, because of the huge numbers of unskilled labor coming into the work market, forcing the creation of 200000 new jobs every month, just to keep unemployment rates stable. You´re getting more rich people and more poor people, but fewer inbetween ?!? So you´re right - it´s a tough situation. Thank you for good comments/replies, keeping this thread interesting :o)
2020-11-14 23:53
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Essentially the productivity numbers can be explained pretty well by the average American worker is dissatisfied with his or her working conditions and his or her pay. People do the absolute bare minimum out of protest essentially. There's a CEO that his company's minimum wage at 70k, and productivity almost tripled or something like that. There's also a huge pool of college graduates that are basically forced into the unskilled labor market, which floods it even more. In the past people with degrees in communications or business would be able to land some boring office job, but those jobs have been taken by computer programs. Honestly this country has too many problems relating to the job market, government, social services, social unrest, etc... already. And very recently I've heard of Fox News viewers that think Fox is apart of the "liberal media" and they're moving to things like OANN and Newsmax. I have nothing against right wingers, but this country is growing more and more polarized by the day. I might just move to Canada at this rate lol. Thanks for replying to my comments too. :)
2020-11-16 18:50
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It´s hard to say something encouraging, because every fear seems to be coming true in USA. One worst case scenario after another.
2020-11-16 19:43
#59
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North America abigaiI
agreed.
2020-11-14 20:40
#63
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United States iknmv
I would advise someone who wants to come to US or is already in US, but has no idea what to do with his life is to start taking courses which are related to anything with IT. Project Management, Cybersecurity, etc. US is not a manufacturing country or country where brand news businesses are running for too long anymore and it is going to be harder to find entry level jobs. On top, the country has crazy amount of immigrants from "3rd world countries" that are coming with no experience and their labor is used in the actual entry level jobs, because they are getting paid the minimum wage or slightly above.
2020-11-14 21:10
6 replies
This is an issue even in STEM jobs. h1-b has really killed the entry level job. And IT outside of cyber security is pretty bad considering companies constantly wanna replace you with h1-b's.
2020-11-15 04:34
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#88
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United States iknmv
Hm, That is interesting to know because I did speak with someone who is h1b from India and he said that as an American Citizen ( immigrant :D ), I would get jobs easier and being preferred instead of h1bs.
2020-11-15 11:32
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This is true, but a lot of them have master's degrees and have a lot of experience, but still compete for 50k jobs. Having an easier time than them isn't saying a lot. At the end of the day you still need to compete with them though and they're willing to take a lot less money.
2020-11-16 03:41
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#108
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United States iknmv
Master Degree from India = High School education in West Virginia. You can probably buy it for couple of hundred dollar too. Employers should know that.
2020-11-16 16:14
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I wouldn't go that far, but yes the rigor definitely seems to be a lot lower than here. From what I've seen from h1-b workers it's all about connections there and there's very little in terms of educational standards at the collegiate level and beyond.
2020-11-16 18:33
#96
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Lebanon Dogman69
they aren't taking entry level jobs h1bs, they are taking entry level wages for mid/senior jobs lol
2020-11-16 08:45
Got inside info about ence sergej will leave ence after IEM Beijing-Haidian. He's gonna go to the military and quit CS Saddyx will replace him shh dont tell anyone
2020-11-14 23:43
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#71
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Switzerland Jaksin
I already told my 2 followers on twitter
2020-11-15 00:05
very interesting
2020-11-15 00:08
I'm in STEM and as long as you get involved in summer internships or your college has a good co-op program you should be fine getting a career straight out of college or if ya did well during those summers they're likely to bring you back... I could be biased because many of the colleges in my state are known for STEM and automotive opportunities but it's not too difficult whatsoever
2020-11-15 00:07
5 replies
I really can't see many people landing internships right now lmao.
2020-11-15 04:37
1 reply
there are a PLETHORA of opportunities that colleges encourage for every student to take, many of them are partnered with schools. Even people who needed internships during last semester when covid had shut schools down in March were still able to get their internships.
2020-11-15 07:56
My bro did this 2 summer internships. Then the company who he interned for hired him full time right after he graduated. STEM or you're DOOMED folks
2020-11-15 04:59
+1 already did my first summer internship this summer remotely for an architecture firm, free fucking money + valuable experience u need. civil engineering is super good imo, easy to get into and lots of opportunities in big cities ny prob diff compared to most states tho
2020-11-26 03:20
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Civil is really good since you don't need to worry about offshoring.
2020-11-28 06:06
Not true, you can earn 80k USD construction with high school diploma. I was making 102k/y + full benefits before I quit and retired at the age of 32. If you good foreman and know how to manage people this is no problem if you just worker 60-80k is pretty normal, I call it average wage, nothing special but more than corporate scum jobs that pay 50-60k and you have to smile, lick ass and be "yes man or yes woman" 24/7 with no privacy 24/7, slave in the suit.
2020-11-16 07:29
6 replies
nice but what do you do all day with your free time? I get bored
2020-11-16 09:02
1 reply
First 2 years was nice, now I start to get bored indeed, I just go to home depot everyday to buy some stuff and work around the house,
2020-11-16 15:41
This is a good option to make money if you're a tall and strong dude. The problem is not everyone fits in that category and some people have health issues/disabilities that force them to work an office job. And yeah corporate jobs are garbage if you're not on track to make over 100k.
2020-11-16 18:56
3 replies
I seen a midget work construction. Almost anyone can do it.
2020-11-21 04:51
2 replies
I've seen those types, but they go to the gym 5 days a week outside of work and basically center their lives around "gains". If you just want a good paying job, that's not a very viable lifestyle.
2020-11-21 07:16
1 reply
If you envision that you have to have an athletic body-type or be heavily invested in physical labor you're way off. Any average joe can do construction.
2020-11-22 03:16
and it will be only worse and worse more robots, more automation, more AI less simple human labor needed capitalism is not sustainable in long run we've got to start thing about different system
2020-11-16 08:34
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#97
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Lebanon Dogman69
we need proletarian dictatorship
2020-11-16 08:55
First step would be to decrease humanity growth, enforced one child policy in most countries around the globe. Humanity has to size down if they want to survive this, more children should only be allowed if the economy of the respective country can sustain it.
2020-11-16 09:03
8 replies
that doesn't solve problems
2020-11-16 09:43
1 reply
>first step And yes it limits the problem
2020-11-16 22:47
Can you even think about the ethics of what you wrote?
2020-11-21 04:43
1 reply
Yes, if people want to have kids one child has to be enough for the sake of all humanity. This is a small planet with limited ressources, we can't have unlimited growth or we will destroy ourselves, it has to be recognized and people need to stop being selfish.
2020-11-21 08:35
Why is it with the Germans the ideia of population reduction ? lmao jk, I know he was Austrian But yeah I wouldn't oppose to impose 1 child limit to Africa, Asia or South America's
2020-11-26 17:05
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It's the only logical move.
2020-11-26 20:26
Then the demand for products will just decline and it will never really solve the issue. All that will happen is the number of products will decrease to suit a smaller market.
2020-11-27 22:40
1 reply
It's one step of many. Humanity has to rethink the eco-system completely, growth at any cost is not sustainable anymore.
2020-11-27 23:39
So many of my undergrad friends in engineering from a very reputable school struggled to get a decent job. And this was before the COVID stuff. The only people that are having a "good time" in the job market are boomers/gen x who already have decades of experience from a time where employers were willing to take a month or two to train new hires.
2020-11-27 22:38
3 replies
that should not be surprised in a world with 8 billion people compete over relatively small number market of jobs
2020-11-27 23:01
2 replies
That's true, but you also need to keep in mind most entry level STEM jobs have been automated or offshored so there's very little opportunities to gain experience. And then companies complain about a shortage of senior level STEM workers (the shortage is just gonna get worse over time). I honestly think this is one of the key reasons America may lose out in the STEM race to its competitors. All our politicians are idiot, snake lawyers who don't understand this though.
2020-11-28 05:49
1 reply
smart people ain't going to politics in first place that applies everywhere in the world
2020-11-29 05:45
main problem is there cannot be normal nationalism. The ideology on the right is cuckservatism
2020-11-16 12:11
America is a two geared country. Some states are ''retarded'' and others are flying by progress. old infrastructure ,corporates, stock markets, trusts, production base reduction, dollar evaluation have made the cost of living unbearable. median ''rightist'' American waits for factories to re-open and median ''leftist'' waits for free healthcare. nothing wont happen.
2020-11-16 12:30
#106
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Korea kaiske
USA main problem : too much diversity, mental health disaster
2020-11-16 12:37
7 replies
How is diversity a problem?
2020-11-16 19:03
5 replies
#129
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Korea kaiske
Genetic similarity is to distance from conscious observers in experiential space You are living with the natural enemy and cannot change the genetics
2020-11-21 04:25
4 replies
Your argument doesn't make sense, experiences differing is cultural and not genetic. If you grow up in the same area as someone of a different race, you're likely to have the same experiences.
2020-11-21 07:13
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#137
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Korea kaiske
If consciousness is physical, your experiential region is from a similar mind configuration which is resulting from genetics
2020-11-21 15:22
2 replies
The differences in human DNA between races are completely minimal. And either way you're under the presumption that each race acts a certain way, which couldn't be further from the truth. Behavior is a product of culture, not genetics.
2020-11-25 16:47
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#142
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Korea kaiske
I'm not under any such presumption.. and scale of difference is not important while humans dominate in intelligence likely scaling with experience "You are your ancestors"
2020-11-26 02:58
USA's main problem: Complaining is more important than doing. Sadly this is a common trend here.
2020-11-26 16:35
i think its more fundamental then that its government is dysfunctional at the best of the times
2020-11-16 18:36
You need a UNI degree and a language certificate 2 get a job as a w8er in my country since the crisis.... maybe a sign of things 2 come in USA.
2020-11-16 19:05
1 reply
Lmao America is pretty much almost there. You'll need a graduate degree in civil engineering just to get a construction job one of these days.
2020-11-16 22:15
stop being lazy and go to school
2020-11-22 03:19
1 reply
People who say this are either old and have decades of experience or haven't entered the job market yet. You have absolutely no idea how hard it is out there even if you go to school. Inb4 "I got my first job at my dad's friend's firm".
2020-11-25 16:50
US problem is that people assume that their style of life can be preserved forever. While the world is changing and conservatism doesn't work. So just accept the difficulties and try your best to improve yourself.
2020-11-26 03:11
quit crying about it and do something... aka getting the degree you complain that you need
2020-11-26 03:26
3 replies
Most people don't have the self-awareness to see beyond themselves and address a systemic problem, you're one of them. And this is rich coming from someone living in the welfare state of Canada.
2020-11-26 16:19
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Okay clown. You are a mess. You act like I went to school for free with that implication LMAO
2020-11-26 16:27
1 reply
Someone who lives in Canada and who has probably never lived here is acting like their opinion actually matters and has any weight. It's definitely you who's the clown. "You act like I went to school for free with that implication" I honestly assumed you were like 18-19 since you just sound kinda immature. It's pretty pathetic that you're actually out of school and this your level of maturity and intelligence. What was your major btw?
2020-11-26 16:33
This situation has been going on since the 2000s.
2020-11-26 16:21
Oh so you are now awake of the consequences of women getting into labour and open borders....
2020-11-26 16:29
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It doesn't matter dude in the long run. The "normal people jobs" are disappearing anyway over time. More people in the labor force won't really make a difference in the long run. For the highly technical jobs that are left, there will probably always be demand but the qualifications for getting those jobs will just get higher and higher.
2020-11-26 16:35
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It will always matter in the long run. "normal jobs" will always exist. I mean, you can go into college and take some fancy degree (not major degree like medicine, scientific related, etc, of course) and will earn less than a person who goes to professional school and learn a skill. I mean, in Portugal a simple bricklayer (if he's any good) will earn a decent wage. Will earn more than many people with college degrees. Everything you said is also a consequence of the women stepping into labour and open borders. It an easy demand-supply equation. Encouraging women in labour force has a great thing for women was only to get an higher workforce available and reduce wages. Open borders also has the same objetive. Bringing down wages through overflow of people seeking the same jobs... Don't be fooled by those that encourage this things in the name of "equality" or "rights" and at the same time gain money with it...
2020-11-26 16:58
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Why do you assume "normal jobs" will always exist? What evidence is pointing towards that? They're disappearing at a record rate under COVID. Even basic marketing jobs and analyst jobs are asking for programming/data viz skills.
2020-11-26 17:07
Normal jobs will literally always exist as well as high skilled labour that takes people to actually go through trade school and earn their license in their field over a period of time/hours worked/jobs etc You get the idea, things that are corporate or unionized will never be replaced by "AI".
2020-11-27 05:49
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There are barely any unions in America. Why wouldn't corporations replace their workforce with AI?
2020-11-27 22:31
Great reset etc
2020-11-27 06:01
#169
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Canada zizzle21
I think a shit load more ppl r getting that white picket fence thru social media, online business, entrepreneurship (more ppl successful with 1-3 million per year businesses because of social media) side point... elites realized this and I think thats partly why corona is the way it is to fuck these people to have to go back to working for big corps and billionaires regaining power and control that was spreading out (my brother being one of these people) , but all this new age shit evens it out probably imo but who knows
2020-11-27 06:10
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I think the COVID shut downs were the right move, but the federal government should've done more to support main street. And just getting a regular job these days is very difficult (considering a lot of them require 2-3 interviews or more with hundreds of people applying). I can't blame people for working a bit harder and trying to launch a business and keep all the profits for themselves.
2020-11-27 22:34
stop govt education loans, teach in schools that trade jobs and technical skills are valued jobs that aren't just for deadbeats and hillbillies. college really doesn't give you very many skills that an employer actually needs unless you major in certain degrees.
2020-11-28 05:05
4 replies
" trade jobs and technical skills are valued jobs that aren't just for deadbeats and hillbillies" lmao
2020-11-28 05:22
1 reply
I see a lot of people who look down on plumbers, mechanics, and electricians. These are jobs that will never be able to be outsourced to another country and pay well.
2020-11-28 05:25
To make it anything other than STEM you gotta be at the absolute top of your game and need some light technical skills (excel, tableau, etc...) It's definitely possible, but impossible if you're just clocking in and clocking out of classes. And trades aren't really a solution either. There's demand now because those jobs aren't seen as "prestigious" and no one goes into them, but there's still not enough jobs for everyone with a useless degree to go into trades instead.
2020-11-28 06:04
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I know plenty of tradesmen who make a nice living while not having to be "at the top of their game". There are actually shortages for technicians for heavy machinery such as farm equipment meaning there is a demand for more people to enter these fields. I really do think people undervalue trades.
2020-11-28 06:16
the main problem is outsourcing. there are not enough jobs in the us because indians and chinese do it for a cup of rice a day. Trump wanted to solve this problem, but he just can't. For democrats narrow specialization and division of labor between countries is very good, the poorer and less educated population is what makes leftists exist
2020-11-28 05:14
#183
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Sweden Nappev
borgar eat
2020-11-28 05:19
STEM OR YOU'RE OUT OF A JOB , USELESS, DOOMED!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2020-11-28 05:27
1 reply
STEM isn't a guarantee anymore man lol. This post is mostly from my undergrad friends' experiences after college. Some clubs, no internships (or maybe 1), some decent projects, and just over a 3.0 GPA at best. Overall above average actually, but not good enough in many cases.
2020-11-28 06:01
#199
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Israel ALEXKEEM
Well you can't have it both ways. Either you make stuff yourself and have lots of jobs or make stuff in china but have the prices be 10x less
2020-11-28 19:46
#201
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Russia SW@G_2
burger brains and na mentality are the biggest problems iirc
2020-11-28 20:40
"if you want to live the american dream, you should move to denmark"
2020-11-29 05:46
Instead of complaining on the internet like a 12 year old, there's a real simple fix. Git Gud kiddo
2020-11-29 05:57
How about do something that most aren't doing?
2020-11-30 04:48
how is this anti-USA thread still up? Oh that's right, bias.
2020-11-30 16:50
#212
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Poland Po_Prostu
so maybe give evetyone 10k $ for doing nothink??!!??
2020-11-30 16:54
if only muricans realized how 3rd world has it lul
2020-11-30 16:57
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