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"there is just supposed to be some sort of multi core tech that makes it much better"
xD and this guy has 30k viewers! hahaha.
in there*
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hes good at video games. nobody said shrood is smart lul
expected from the same guy who makes conspiracy theories about csgo's death xaxaxaxa
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you dont get to decide what makes what the equivalent to what.
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6 core middle class vs 6 core middleclass
269$ msrp vs 299$ msrp
they are each others counterproduct you simpleton. now hush
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yes grammar is really important on hltv :man-facepalming:
you are not allowed to think in hltv.org
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Im talking about 5600x and 10600k, not past generations. so much for smart buddy
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I was the one who linked it. Your point?
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Bruh don’t even try to argue with him. He’s a stubborn little autist who will not budge on anything. If the processors are compared side by side based on AVG FPS from ALL games we’ll find there is a difference of single digits. I was right all along because i literally never said anything else yet he is such a lost cause and will not even try to hide it.
Calls me all kinds of shit but you can easily tell he has some form of disorder.
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i was actually gonna reply that to you but i misclicked XD.
there's a big difference between the 2...the 5600X blows the 10600k out of the water. whether the 30$ difference justifies it is somewhat subjective, but the difference is way more than 1-5 fps on many titles. just watch the video (in case you're not familiar with it, this is pretty much the best hardware channel on youtube. the most professional and thorough). I'm not an amd fanboy by any means, but i cant argue with facts... they made a huge leap and they're leaving dust to intel with this generation.
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I'm not saying anything about that, i've already admitted that the AMD CPU is better than the Intel CPU in this case but what i have been saying all along is that it is not superior like the fanatical fanboys have been spamming here on HLTV for months now.
It is better, but not superior. Superior would be massively better.
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how desperate to argue are you?
we are talking about current gen intel vs current gen amd performance. nothing else.
and amd currently has higher performance, making the 5000 ryzens the best cpus right now for gaming and working.
maybe you shouldnt buy them right now because they are being scalped, constantly sold out etc. wait a few months and they will return to MSRP and they will be the best thing to buy, unless Rocket Lake surprises, which by the leaks it wont.
Im on intel btw, just saying.
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yeah, upgrading anything within like 3 generations is entirely pointless. 4-5 year mark if you want max performance. I had my old intel for 8 years.
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I bought used 8600k for 100€ this year
maybe new PC next year with ddr5 platform
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you do have to use a z400 if you want to overclock the cpu/use ram in 3200Mhz or more
and its stupid to buy the 10600k if you are not going to overclock it otherwise just buy a 10400f its cheaper and presents much more value
and its not only about cheap just look at the "heavy tuned 10600k vs 5600x " vid games nexus put out its not even close
the 5600x can with a few hours of work can compete with even the 10900k
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Yes, you do need a Z490 and overclock cpu and ram if you want to keep up with the ryzen and yes, even when both have an overclocked setup, the ryzen pumps out more fps. its a fact you brainlet.
what you fail to realize is it doesnt matter, performance wise the increase between generations is overall laughable and thats not the point, the point is both amd and intel want to sell as many cpus as they can each and every year and they will.
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Yeah, and still you decide to sell your soul to a CPU brand to try to help them sell more, this is the most pathetic thing about this. My point from the beginning was that AMD is not at all "superior" to Intel like they and many in this thread claim. Not that Intel is always superior to AMD or anything like that. And stop trying to insult me lol no one will ever find you intimidating.
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my last reply clearly stated otherwise but nice strawman. you are completely lost. good day mate.
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Nice "no u" reply you manchild
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"sold my soul for a cpu brand", thats your interperation of me saying new ryzens are 10% faster, which they are, which is proven in literally the #4 th post in this thread. you then proceed to ramble and attack me based on your little strawman and when I call you lost, your reply is "jEsUs cHriSt yOuR a LoSt cAuSe". have you ever at any point in your life done any reflection?
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I don't know what to tell you. Whatever makes you sleep i guess.
I never said that specific AMD processor isn't 10% better than that specific Intel processor and your graph might be correct, i'm not disputing that. But 10% better in what specific scenario? This goes for all processors, they are all better or worse in specific situations. In gaming, rendering of graphic etc it seems that the processors have a minimal difference between each other.
And since we started this discussion you have constantly tried to use master suppression techniques to try to demean those that do not agree with you. It's pathetic, and then you tell me "have you ever at any point in your life done any reflection?". Think about that.
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"in what scenario"
all of them... maybe do some research before discussing a topic. you can just watch the video.
also dont pretend you are interested in workloads, this is a fucking csgo forum.
"this goes for all processors they are better or worse"
no it doesnt, no they arent.
amd 5000 are better entirely than comet lake. "master suppression techniques" maybe I just dont wanna argue for 20 comments with people who didnt even read benchmarks,believe in conspiracies and are just here for the sake of arguing like you.
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still just arguing for the sake of arguing I see. thanks for proving my point.
"even your own graph dont agree"
10600k super tuned: 190 fps
5600x super tuned: 210 fps
18 fps difference or almost 10%....
yeah it dont agree. *facepalm*
"Don't even bother replying"
yeah because you want to have the last word.
pure cringe
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oMg LoOk 10600k iS EvEn BeTtEr ThAn 5600x BaSeD On tHiS gRaPh youtu.be/zYhwBk8GE6M?t=919
^^ This literally proves you were wrong btw when you said 5600x is superior IN ALL CASES.
I never fucking said 10600k is better than 5600x, i didn't even say 10900k is stronger. I said 5600x is not S U P E R I O R to these processors. The CPU didn't live up to the hype here on HLTV and that's literally what i have said all along but wait no i'm biased and cringe lol.
It's like talking to a fucking wall.
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I never once used the word superior you fucking turbo autist. I said its better by 10-15% and it is. one ominous game doesnt change that.
Your entire comment history in this thread is based on a strawman.
also:
""red dead redemption has been the ONE stronghold for intel in all our recent tests" yeah great I guess. clap clap
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Lol "turbo autist", good one :D
5600X beats 10900K, idk what ur point is
Also AM4 mobos are generally cheaper
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There are so many factors that decides which processor beats what. The difference between 5600x and 10600k even is not big at all. For example the 5600x beats 10600k by 3 FPS on Assassin's Creed Odyssey while on Project Cars for example it beats it by 8 FPS. It's a minimal difference and yet the difference in price is almost $70. It's too close to call which one is superior so stop praising one or the other.
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I do actually agree with you, but it is fun to use the Intel fanboy argument against Intel. Personally I don't give a shit about brands, I just buy what makes sense at the time of upgrading, mainly considering what my needs are but also what is the best deal at the time.
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hes wrong tho, so that makes both of you wrong.
AMD give you decent cooler so you save 40 bucks on a cooler too...
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no, you are right. intel is always superior. wait.. based on what tho?
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he doesnt read or watch any info on the new amds, he is just here to argue for the sake of arguing like a little low life
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I did and i based all of my opinions on that. Everything, including your own graph support all of my claims. I don’t even know why we’re arguing in the first place if we agree. All you have done though is to attack me on a personal level, i don’t mind that because i don’t find a neckbeard cuck like you intimidating.
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but you disagreed with everyone just so you can argue.
and all your comments are based on strawman due to your delusional perception that everyone is "hailing" amd in this thread.
all you have done is make yourself look like a fool in this thread so
youtu.be/zYhwBk8GE6M
Hf watching...
it's funny, because the same could be said of intel's for a few years since ryzen 1 release, intel only beat by very few max fps while neglecting andhaving terrible Avgs and lows.
Regardless, returning to P's post, is simple, shroud its stand up man, he isnt a technician, or even computer knowledgeable person, just a dude that is good at videogames and his knowledge/skills doenst extrapolate at all with computer skills(for all we know, he might even get his rigs pre-built by some sponsor or somebody from the org that knows his shit)
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"ryzens are actually slower than intel but they are faster"
yeah you choose the answer
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true hahahha
When will people stop spamming Shroud opinion everwhere. He is obviously braindead and doesn't anything
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sorry I just tuned in and within 1 minutes he dropped another 60iq bomb, I just had to post it.
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hes not very intelligent, i remember he said once that he doesnt need to drink water since coke has water in it
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I mean.......... coke does have water in it.
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Lol
technically you can
india brain
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eastern europe talking LUL
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at least they dont shit on the streets
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still #130
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you shouldnt be commenting this, you are from denmark, this is a battle of shit countries
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You just dont understand it cuz you live in a country i could just wish to be raised-up in. But as much as i know Slovakia is in Deep shit, i have the urge to defend it When someone tries to talk shit About it, mainly When it is country where quality of life is even worse than in mine. So When someone makes fun of eastern Europe and its countries, i talk shit back cuz we still have many Things to show (for example our nature and so on...)
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Yes the annoying thing is he says braindead stuff with confidence so his viewers just believe him. Kind of sad tbh
true lol, he just thinks of things and says it like its an actual fact.
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show me vid, not these screenshots with some random numbers
they showed with their old pictures from old cpu 500 fps in cs, meanwhile all who buyed them got around 320 ... all forums are full of hate
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wym
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yeah i mean his millions of followers take him serious because he has good aim and a deep voice (actual case of voice privilige right there).
he gets away with saying the most retarded stuff on a minute to minute basis
young impressionable kids actually get dumber by watching him
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His aim isn't even the best, it just looks cool to retarded NA kids, like that robotaim garbage.
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That voice is scary to listen to if you're alone with him
I've been subbed to him for over 5 years and his voice has barely changed from his very first videos, it ain't fake. What is cringe is him completely doing a 180 and going from horror narrations to kids video game "content".
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yes I mean ofc anybody would like the extra views but it just looks dummy retarded seeing the channel go from scary horror narration videos to click bait "gaming" videos targeted towards children, like goddaamn atleast make another channel for the narrations/gaming videos man.
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no hes just a brainlet. this thread is gonna get deleted by 8am in the morning, admins dotn want any negative things said about influencers on their cute little site.
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i had amd, only problems, i had intel, still running after 15 years, never broken,
why i should buy amd again, maybe when iam poor, but when i want quality i buy intel again,,
u dont change from mercedes to toyota
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So you had an AMD processor 15 years ago, it was bad so you changed to an Intel CPU that has been running ever since?
Let me tell you a secret: technology has come quite far in 15 years and AMD processors are nowadays a big competitor to Intel and many people agree that AMD has passed Intel in the CPU game.
This is embarrassing to read considering it's someone from my own country. :(
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This is embarrassing to read considering it's someone from my own country. :(
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This is embarrassing to read considering it's someone from my own country. :(
well he didnt get 30k views for his iq
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cpu brand checks out
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Zen2 waa not cheap shit. Ryzen 3600, 3700 amd threadrippers are among the most bought and most loved cpus out there
gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/G.. go read man page shrood noob
Who, apart from his fans, takes him seriously?
I’m gaming intel is faster, workload Amd is faster. Both win
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intel isnt faster in either anymore
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Their equivalents are not much different. Check benchmarks, newest Intel vs newest AMD with similar price are nearly identical. All the hype around AMD in general is extremely overblown, which ofc doesn’t make it a bad CPU. But it’s like Apple saying their newest CPU is ”40x faster than the newest on the market” (true story).
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Yep that and they release shit that isn’t done
you are stupid. the new ryzen perform 10-20% better as marketed. there has never been a higher increase from generation to generation than that in the last 10 years.
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ok troll
thats just not true what so ever. its not 10-20% faster than any intel cpu..
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tHatS jUsT nOt TrUe
ummm yes it is.
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i build pcs for a living and i can tell you right now its not true bro. maybe in workloads but not gaming
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Unleas you look at the $700 processors (which are WAY more expensive than Intel’s best processor) then sure. But comparing their counter parts show that they are nearly identical. Intel doesn’t have a counter part to AMD’s newest processor but not every will afford a $700 CPU.
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I've seen plenty of reviews, I just want to know which ones you're watching because they're obviously not GN, HWU, LTT, HWC etc. and I'm interested to see different results if they're available.
From everything I can see though, even with the price rise the zen processors offer better value, better average gaming performance and monstrously more total compute power which historically bodes very well in the long run. They're also significantly more efficient.
Your example of the 5600x vs 10600k is a good one that has been addressed at length on a few channels, HWU always do a $/frame section which is nice youtu.be/y7ukz8WUdW4?t=1026
so wrong, you just looked at bad benchmarks and went along with your confirmation bias
Here is the funny part, Amd is running on 7nm and intel on 14nm and even their newest cpu can only beat it by 4% or so, and that’s Amd flagship besides the thread ripper upper end. When intel releases their new stuff it’s going to make everything else look dumb. I’m glad Amd is finally making progress it forces intel to do something finally!
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based on what? Intels progress has looked very weak last years.
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since beginning 2015 every new intel release is just a reskin of the 6700k 🤦
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Here Is the funny part - amd still have a lot of room for improvement
thats because AMD manufacturing is made by TSMC (same with smartphones procesors) and TSMC names differently the manufacturing nodes "falsefully" therefore their 7nm manufacturing node its actually ~11nm vs the 14nm of intel, im not defending AMD or Intel, but just aclaring why "7nm" performs almost the same as 14nm.
For those who dont know, the reason for all of this is because, making a node of "true" sub-10 nanometers its extremelly hard and almost impossible to profit until very recently (like 3 months awgo ro smth like that) we, as human specie, are hitting HARD the limits of silicon as material in known universe, and yes, there are billions of dollars worth right now in investments for either a) pushing silicon even harder to their limits and b) finding new future profitable materials, one of them is graphene.
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Shroud is good at aiming and good at videogames but that doesn't make him smart. Why do people put people that used to be professional gamers at this pedestal where they are also expected to be some sort of geniuses? Pro gamers are pro gamers because they are good at games, not necessarily at other things.
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chances are actually that if you spend all your time gaming you're quite dumb.
This definitely qualifies for the most beta thread ever
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yeah i guess
Ahahahahaba
What a focking dumb
shroud is just wrong
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The difference isn't 7fps in CS, it's massive, AMD is dominating.
youtu.be/ip3u8hnKgvU?t=500
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is he though?
its easy to be "nice" when you got thousands of people licking your boots and millions of dollars in your bank account.
the "nicest" thing i have ever seen him do with the money besides buying himself a nice huge house, cars etc is donating like 1k to some charity and post it everywhere to look good.
shroud called csgo dead, I stopped trusting anything he said after that, if not ever
Well, I check benchmarks and compare processors before i buy them Instead watching fps game streamer would have no affect on my decision whatever he says. Also the game he play rn you can play also in highest settings with $120 cpu.
He's sponsored by intel, what do you think he'll say?
shrouds an idiot
He's an idiot, He's just chasing that dollar like a good whore.
shroudie
imagine listening to what the most overrated csgo pro of all time has to say
alright now i'm gonna play devil's advocate, since i'm not a shroud fanboy
A guy streams for idk maybe 5-6 hours/day? its a high probability that from time to time he will say something stupid, everyone does, not about CPU but about many subjects that can pop up in a conversation, its completely normal considering such a wide time span
so chill, its not like people are going to listen to what he said and decide "oh well since he said that i think its a good idea to buy X or Z" if they do that its their fault for being idiots, you simply dont buy a PC like that
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he is right but shroud is so fucking annoying
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Ryzen 5 5600X oc 4.7ghz VS i9 10900K oc 5ghz
youtube.com/watch?v=Cwjoj5Qk_Y4&ab_chann..
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gimmick numbers haha 1080p ultra for need for speed heat "130 fps" hahaha
the 10700k + 3080 in NFS heat = 200+ fps 1080p ultra, the 130fps is intel @ 4k with a 3080.
I have a10700k and a 3080, a friend has a 5600x and a 3080 the numbers aren't even remotely close.
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cry is free intel Fanboy :)
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cry is roughly $399 usd when you buy a 5600x expecting an upgrade from your 3000 series. haha
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Ofc ur friend got that xD anyway no its not gimmick numbers, tons of review sites get results where 5600x beats 10700k.
Anyway i understand that u have to lie to feel better about ur own hardware, even tho why the hell do u care... 10700k is a good cpu so why do u even bother that the new ryzens beat the 10th series by a few %.
The 11th gen intel cpus will beat ryzen again and then ryzen will come with zen 4 and beat intel most likely.
cry is roughly 340€ + 200€ motherboard for 10700k if you expect an upgrade from your 9700k. haha
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k.
find 1 ryzen 5000 series benchmark that isn't customized against stock intel.
every benchmark is some 3600-4000mhz ram kit, on a 4.7+ ghz 5600x no AA, no tessellation, 1080p high. against nvidia / intel stock settings, random sticks of ram 1080p / 4k ultra.
good luck buying a 5600x and overclocking it past 4.5ghz. it just crashes but do go on about how amd is so amazing
the $140 you save on a cpu you double - tripple spend on ram to ensure you can get anywhere near the same results as the reviews.
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literally the #4 th post in the thread.
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a fully modded amd vs stock intel. ikr ironic must be fun being an amd user wearing head phones so you know when to breathe in and out since you aren't capable of thinking for yourself.
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its a fully tuned intel vs a fully tuned amd, that is the point of the video, thats what it says in the graph, thats the title of the video. you are completely lost mate, have a good day.
Who is shroud?
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Which posicion
Lmao the level of shroud hate in this thread is ridiculous. A bunch of people stuck in an endless loop of playing and following a dying game they hate, being jealous of the guy who got out and became more successful (moneywise) than any pro cs has ever seen. Stings even more that his huge success came because he stopped playing that very same game.
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Lmao s1mple doesnt even stream regularly and still has a fuckton of viewers. I also doubt that any top pros can complain about their salary.
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If people hate on shroud because he says dumb shit, then they're jealous of him. Nice logic. Are all croatians on this site mentally disabled?
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Give me one good reason to watch a NA streamer
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is it anything new never heard of 1440p?
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shroud the type of guy to:
say a game sucks two weeks later hes playing it says "yeah its not that bad" two weeks later, donation on stream- hey shroud why are you not playing X? the game has zero potential, weapons are not balanced, ok mr shroud we are not playing this game anymore
csgo is dead
he only play games if someone pays him to play them #AD
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all the individual, often independent review channels are all lying and falsifying numbers as a marketing ploy. its a grand conspiracy!!!!111!11
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" u lost a lot of time if u didnt know about ." -eyesta, 2020
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but you have just proven multiple times that you are the kid...
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dont care about opinion of 13 yo.
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"like to bait" translation: am stupid lowlife and pretend im baiting
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"dont care" "still replying?" "proven multiple times"
denied all of this. lul.
u even went to my profile, which already suggests that u are indifferent to all this. kid whos ez to provoke and now i just enjoy the result.
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o.w.n.e.d. cry is free.
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you know #170 is the truth.
"enjoy the result" ok type more
It's true.
Maybe they do it without money involved and without the will to lie, but a lot of the benchmarks out there doesn't represent actual workloads and the reality of the industry.
For example, in any soft like Adobe/Autodesk/Blender they do render tests (video, images,3d...) where AMD is way faster in most of those because they have more cores, but 99% of the time when you use those softs, you are tweaking and creating, not rendering, so those benchmarks are useless (for everyone minus render boy), since the real workload on a studio environment is not rendering all day, in fact, is just a small portion of the team the ones who do that, and the thing gets worst, when you realize most of the render engines out there are gearing to gpu nowadays.
Alright, but should u even care? Both are expensive and are the same thing. New GPU's come out all the time.
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this is not very XQCl . weridchamp poggers
Kids listening this gamer guy for tech advice. LOL. He knows nothing.
imagine having amd. legit kids who spend 24/7 in their basement playing video games for that extra 0.5 fps in some weeb anime game. anyone who uses pc for something else than these trash knockoff anime games on steam will use the intel better. also u dont have to care about ur pc randomly crashing games and stuff like its classic with AMD
everyone who works in IT or at least knows a bit about PC will always go for intel. thats just facts.
Breaking: Uninformed fanboy disregarding Tests for trustable gut feeling
He has NA brain
It's not a word we've been told.
He's going to be on the agenda or Intel paid him to say that.
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read the whole post. the quote goes: "ryzens are actually slower than intel but they are faster".
Paid (obviously) or not. there will be a lot of people/kids that will take his word as truth. Having 30k viewers works to spread the voice or an idea (even if is this stupid and trivial).
i dont give a fuc about shrouds opinion
Oh yes i watch Shroud because he has great understanding of the hardware market, said NOBODY ever.
Before Ryzen 5000 most ryzen processors would give you less fps in games when compared with their intel counterparts, they won last gen with great cost-efficiency and better productivity tasks. so he's technically right.
Shroud's net worth in 2020 (estimate): $16 million
): why me no rich?
Streamers aren't famous for being smart.
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dunno if you can call me loyal
i just like not having problems with the software ecc , radeon always has been crap so i'd rather spend more for the simple and flawless experience(same argument with android phones vs my current iphone , always preffered high-end tech but if it's buggy and annoying i'd rather spend more on something simple and friendly) , that being said , dont know..probably stick with nvidia until the DGPUs have years behind their backs and are reputable enough , so i might try them in the future , for now i dont think i'll change anything since i have a very high-end pc
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I'm pretty sure I can accurately call you loyal, "intel+nvidia combo always" is a giveaway there!
Fair answer, I'll also be waiting to see how the Intel GPUs perform for at least a year or two.
The software is definitely a valid reason to choose a brand in regards to the GPU, I use NVIDIA too and would be reluctant to change. AMD would have to offer significantly better value to tempt me. I had an ATI build back in 2008 though and had no issues with software so I can't relate to the anti ATI sentiment, it sounds like AMD have been working very hard at fixing the issues that plagued the 5000 series launch though so it'll be interesting to see how the 6000 launch goes from tomorrow onwards.
But there's no such explanation for CPU choice. Again, I also currently use Intel but that's because when I built this system it was the best (same with the system before this one). That's not currently the case though and I won't be using Intel for my next build which will hopefully be by January. AMD is ahead in raw performance, value and massively ahead in efficiency.
The only honest reason to use Intel right now is brand loyalty.
brand loyalty in 2020 LUL
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He is just dumb.
Why do people praise this trash player? He was never even good in cs, like tier 2 in na.
he is baiter and intel fanboy and val OMEGALUL rant player xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
fine tuned ryzen 5600x outperforms even i9 10900k
youtube.com/watch?v=zYhwBk8GE6M
intel is kind of joke now. plus you don't need an expensive motherboard for ryzen, most b450 boards have already got zen3 support
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obviously they are, always buy i7s i9s and all the other once to come
Imagine comparing newly released CPU's prices to 10th Intel CPU's prices which are out for a while and already had price cuts. And about overclocking, there is nothing to overclock with AMD. By overclocking u actually get a performance decrease in games because all-core oc can't match boost clock speeds and if it can static voltage you need is too high and will degrade your CPU in long run. Processors basically run max they can out of the box. The same was with 3000 series, want to squeeze out a bit more performance? Ram speed and ram timings, ryzen love fast ram with low timings.
im telling you shroud knows jack shit about pc's. I remember him talking about something along the lines of monitor refresh rates and 3/4 of his chat spamming wtf, pepega, shroud are you okay?
like he is 0 iq when it comes to those stuff, he should just stick to playing games
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And cheating
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he doesn't cheat, if you watched the "1 hour video proof shroud is cheating" and thought any are fishy then u are braindead. Literally 3/4 of them are him flicking to players on pubg and these cod players that never played a true skilled fps thinks he's cheating.
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Nt PIS political party member 😎😎
Never understood how can ignorant people just say shit like this.just stfu!
he has as good takes as me
always misses
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or in this case become multi millionaire top 10%er
yes and? he's entertaining to a lot of people and if they're willing to give him money, they can. stop crying, you seem to be the person he would end up being. boring unsatisfying job so you cry about other people's success.
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I think its understandable that people in low paying jobs doing a lot more work are annoyed they are so disproportionately paid to these people. The real issue is blaming the streamers rather than their sources of payment. Its like how footballers are paid obscene amounts of money, which Is proportional to their entertainment value i concede but that doesn't make it any less outrageous you see what i mean?
it was faster, up until the 5000 series. now not anymore, at least until intel does something.
AMD > Intel
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