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shroud: "ryzens are actually slower than intel"
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Austria MisterMand 
"there is just supposed to be some sort of multi core tech that makes it much better" xD and this guy has 30k viewers! hahaha.
2020-11-15 01:15
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#1
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Austria MisterMand
in there*
2020-11-15 01:16
3 replies
#3
zon1Q | 
Germany iigga
eyes, we can see ..
2020-11-15 01:18
hes good at video games. nobody said shrood is smart lul
2020-11-15 12:53
expected from the same guy who makes conspiracy theories about csgo's death xaxaxaxa
2020-11-15 15:50
#2
ropz | 
Germany MTD3
yesnt
2020-11-15 01:17
59 replies
#4
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Austria MisterMand
2020-11-15 01:18
58 replies
That processor is literally more expensive, which doesn’t make it the equivalent to 10600k. And in-game it doesn’t even perform that much better. We’re talking about 1-5 FPS.
2020-11-15 12:17
57 replies
you dont get to decide what makes what the equivalent to what.
2020-11-15 12:21
22 replies
The market does, you donkey.
2020-11-15 14:03
21 replies
6 core middle class vs 6 core middleclass 269$ msrp vs 299$ msrp they are each others counterproduct you simpleton. now hush
2020-11-15 15:25
20 replies
is it middle class or middleclass ? :thinking:
2020-11-15 15:27
3 replies
yes grammar is really important on hltv :man-facepalming:
2020-11-15 15:28
#210
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Poland Hanse
Doesn't matter a little bit
2020-11-15 17:23
you are not allowed to think in hltv.org
2020-11-16 08:25
Jesus Christ
2020-11-15 15:45
#231
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Turkey rivaluk
just get the i5 9600k and compare it to any other amd cpu around 200€ and try to argue again dont try to be smarter than u are thanks
2020-11-15 18:55
7 replies
Im talking about 5600x and 10600k, not past generations. so much for smart buddy
2020-11-15 18:58
6 replies
#266
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Israel GrandpaZ
Watch gamers nexus comparison, than think again....
2020-11-16 01:35
5 replies
I was the one who linked it. Your point?
2020-11-16 02:00
1 reply
#301
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Israel GrandpaZ
i misclicked, was gonna reply that to the other guy :).
2020-11-17 12:22
Bruh don’t even try to argue with him. He’s a stubborn little autist who will not budge on anything. If the processors are compared side by side based on AVG FPS from ALL games we’ll find there is a difference of single digits. I was right all along because i literally never said anything else yet he is such a lost cause and will not even try to hide it. Calls me all kinds of shit but you can easily tell he has some form of disorder.
2020-11-16 12:08
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#300
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Israel GrandpaZ
i was actually gonna reply that to you but i misclicked XD. there's a big difference between the 2...the 5600X blows the 10600k out of the water. whether the 30$ difference justifies it is somewhat subjective, but the difference is way more than 1-5 fps on many titles. just watch the video (in case you're not familiar with it, this is pretty much the best hardware channel on youtube. the most professional and thorough). I'm not an amd fanboy by any means, but i cant argue with facts... they made a huge leap and they're leaving dust to intel with this generation.
2020-11-17 12:21
1 reply
I'm not saying anything about that, i've already admitted that the AMD CPU is better than the Intel CPU in this case but what i have been saying all along is that it is not superior like the fanatical fanboys have been spamming here on HLTV for months now. It is better, but not superior. Superior would be massively better.
2020-11-17 12:34
#234
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Lithuania Ufasas
and meanwhile 2012 core i5 3rd gen, is just 10-20% slower than ryzen 5 1600x, also runs 1080 at 144 fps, many games, no need ultra setting bulshit, that nobody cares, you want smooth game, not some glitchy hiccupy frame drop fest
2020-11-15 19:09
6 replies
how desperate to argue are you? we are talking about current gen intel vs current gen amd performance. nothing else. and amd currently has higher performance, making the 5000 ryzens the best cpus right now for gaming and working. maybe you shouldnt buy them right now because they are being scalped, constantly sold out etc. wait a few months and they will return to MSRP and they will be the best thing to buy, unless Rocket Lake surprises, which by the leaks it wont. Im on intel btw, just saying.
2020-11-15 19:17
5 replies
#246
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Lithuania Ufasas
probably, but intel dont want to tell you, amd too, that their older cpus working just great, because it;s business, dont see a point for anyone upgrading anything, waste of money, unless they dont have a computer, then they could get ryzen as their first setup
2020-11-15 20:03
4 replies
yeah, upgrading anything within like 3 generations is entirely pointless. 4-5 year mark if you want max performance. I had my old intel for 8 years.
2020-11-15 21:41
3 replies
i have intel pentium for 8 years and probably going to upgrade soon to ryzen 5
2020-11-16 08:19
2 replies
I bought used 8600k for 100€ this year maybe new PC next year with ddr5 platform
2020-11-16 13:43
1 reply
#305
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Lithuania Ufasas
i5 9600k , 10800 passmark score, total bulcrapshit, my i5 3570 at 4.5ghz - 8550 score, 15-20% proc faster and 2x more expensive, no point, my cpu will work 20 years maybe until everyone will drop prices of all procesors, market will be so overfilled with junk
2020-11-17 16:00
#139
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Israel sbd123
with 10600k you need a more expensive z400 motherboard a better power supply (as it takes as much energy as a nuclear power plant can make) and you need a better cooler so all and all its quite cheaper and its stupid to say otherwise
2020-11-15 12:58
18 replies
You don't have to buy a Z400 motherboard tbh. It's not cheaper by a lot in the end so arguing that AMD is "superior" is just ridiculous.
2020-11-15 13:42
17 replies
#177
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Israel sbd123
you do have to use a z400 if you want to overclock the cpu/use ram in 3200Mhz or more and its stupid to buy the 10600k if you are not going to overclock it otherwise just buy a 10400f its cheaper and presents much more value and its not only about cheap just look at the "heavy tuned 10600k vs 5600x " vid games nexus put out its not even close the 5600x can with a few hours of work can compete with even the 10900k
2020-11-15 14:48
2 replies
My point is that AMD's product isn't that much "superior" as i can read in this thread. Is the difference really worth $70? I don't think so.
2020-11-15 15:42
1 reply
Yes, you do need a Z490 and overclock cpu and ram if you want to keep up with the ryzen and yes, even when both have an overclocked setup, the ryzen pumps out more fps. its a fact you brainlet. what you fail to realize is it doesnt matter, performance wise the increase between generations is overall laughable and thats not the point, the point is both amd and intel want to sell as many cpus as they can each and every year and they will.
2020-11-15 17:14
13 replies
Yeah, and still you decide to sell your soul to a CPU brand to try to help them sell more, this is the most pathetic thing about this. My point from the beginning was that AMD is not at all "superior" to Intel like they and many in this thread claim. Not that Intel is always superior to AMD or anything like that. And stop trying to insult me lol no one will ever find you intimidating.
2020-11-15 17:58
12 replies
my last reply clearly stated otherwise but nice strawman. you are completely lost. good day mate.
2020-11-15 18:03
11 replies
Jesus Christ you're a lost cause. Take care.
2020-11-15 18:04
10 replies
Nice "no u" reply you manchild
2020-11-15 18:05
9 replies
What the fuck are you on about now? Get out of my face kid.
2020-11-15 18:06
8 replies
"sold my soul for a cpu brand", thats your interperation of me saying new ryzens are 10% faster, which they are, which is proven in literally the #4 th post in this thread. you then proceed to ramble and attack me based on your little strawman and when I call you lost, your reply is "jEsUs cHriSt yOuR a LoSt cAuSe". have you ever at any point in your life done any reflection?
2020-11-15 18:09
7 replies
I don't know what to tell you. Whatever makes you sleep i guess. I never said that specific AMD processor isn't 10% better than that specific Intel processor and your graph might be correct, i'm not disputing that. But 10% better in what specific scenario? This goes for all processors, they are all better or worse in specific situations. In gaming, rendering of graphic etc it seems that the processors have a minimal difference between each other. And since we started this discussion you have constantly tried to use master suppression techniques to try to demean those that do not agree with you. It's pathetic, and then you tell me "have you ever at any point in your life done any reflection?". Think about that.
2020-11-15 18:23
6 replies
"in what scenario" all of them... maybe do some research before discussing a topic. you can just watch the video. also dont pretend you are interested in workloads, this is a fucking csgo forum. "this goes for all processors they are better or worse" no it doesnt, no they arent. amd 5000 are better entirely than comet lake. "master suppression techniques" maybe I just dont wanna argue for 20 comments with people who didnt even read benchmarks,believe in conspiracies and are just here for the sake of arguing like you.
2020-11-15 18:51
5 replies
Even your own graph don't agree. Don't even bother replying because i realize now you were baiting the entire time. You need to find a hobby.
2020-11-15 20:02
4 replies
still just arguing for the sake of arguing I see. thanks for proving my point. "even your own graph dont agree" 10600k super tuned: 190 fps 5600x super tuned: 210 fps 18 fps difference or almost 10%.... yeah it dont agree. *facepalm* "Don't even bother replying" yeah because you want to have the last word. pure cringe
2020-11-15 22:06
3 replies
oMg LoOk 10600k iS EvEn BeTtEr ThAn 5600x BaSeD On tHiS gRaPh youtu.be/zYhwBk8GE6M?t=919 ^^ This literally proves you were wrong btw when you said 5600x is superior IN ALL CASES. I never fucking said 10600k is better than 5600x, i didn't even say 10900k is stronger. I said 5600x is not S U P E R I O R to these processors. The CPU didn't live up to the hype here on HLTV and that's literally what i have said all along but wait no i'm biased and cringe lol. It's like talking to a fucking wall.
2020-11-15 22:53
2 replies
I never once used the word superior you fucking turbo autist. I said its better by 10-15% and it is. one ominous game doesnt change that. Your entire comment history in this thread is based on a strawman. also: ""red dead redemption has been the ONE stronghold for intel in all our recent tests" yeah great I guess. clap clap
2020-11-16 00:34
1 reply
Lol "turbo autist", good one :D
2020-11-16 00:53
5600X beats 10900K, idk what ur point is Also AM4 mobos are generally cheaper
2020-11-15 13:55
13 replies
There are so many factors that decides which processor beats what. The difference between 5600x and 10600k even is not big at all. For example the 5600x beats 10600k by 3 FPS on Assassin's Creed Odyssey while on Project Cars for example it beats it by 8 FPS. It's a minimal difference and yet the difference in price is almost $70. It's too close to call which one is superior so stop praising one or the other.
2020-11-15 14:08
12 replies
#175
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Europe Cirros_V2
+1
2020-11-15 14:40
I do actually agree with you, but it is fun to use the Intel fanboy argument against Intel. Personally I don't give a shit about brands, I just buy what makes sense at the time of upgrading, mainly considering what my needs are but also what is the best deal at the time.
2020-11-15 15:24
2 replies
I'm not a fanboy either. I'm just tired of the retarded fanatics who sell their soul to a special brand of CPU when in reality they are not at all much different.
2020-11-15 15:43
hes wrong tho, so that makes both of you wrong.
2020-11-16 00:57
AMD give you decent cooler so you save 40 bucks on a cooler too...
2020-11-15 15:31
2 replies
Good point. Still don't make the actual product "superior" to Intel's equivelant.
2020-11-15 15:44
1 reply
no, you are right. intel is always superior. wait.. based on what tho?
2020-11-15 17:16
3 replies
he doesnt read or watch any info on the new amds, he is just here to argue for the sake of arguing like a little low life
2020-11-16 00:58
2 replies
I did and i based all of my opinions on that. Everything, including your own graph support all of my claims. I don’t even know why we’re arguing in the first place if we agree. All you have done though is to attack me on a personal level, i don’t mind that because i don’t find a neckbeard cuck like you intimidating.
2020-11-16 12:16
1 reply
but you disagreed with everyone just so you can argue. and all your comments are based on strawman due to your delusional perception that everyone is "hailing" amd in this thread. all you have done is make yourself look like a fool in this thread so
2020-11-16 13:42
#267
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Israel GrandpaZ
youtu.be/zYhwBk8GE6M Hf watching...
2020-11-16 01:38
it's funny, because the same could be said of intel's for a few years since ryzen 1 release, intel only beat by very few max fps while neglecting andhaving terrible Avgs and lows. Regardless, returning to P's post, is simple, shroud its stand up man, he isnt a technician, or even computer knowledgeable person, just a dude that is good at videogames and his knowledge/skills doenst extrapolate at all with computer skills(for all we know, he might even get his rigs pre-built by some sponsor or somebody from the org that knows his shit)
2020-11-16 03:24
Hes paid by intel or 50iq.
2020-11-15 01:19
11 replies
#6
zon1Q | 
Germany iigga
Ofc hes paid by 50 iq
2020-11-15 01:20
8 replies
+1
2020-11-15 01:21
lol
2020-11-15 03:42
loooooooooooool nice +1
2020-11-15 04:30
+1
2020-11-15 05:10
+1
2020-11-15 09:01
lol n1
2020-11-15 12:13
+1
2020-11-15 17:14
lmao
2020-11-15 17:40
#8
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Austria MisterMand
"ryzens are actually slower than intel but they are faster" yeah you choose the answer
2020-11-15 01:20
1 reply
true hahahha
2020-11-15 01:21
When will people stop spamming Shroud opinion everwhere. He is obviously braindead and doesn't anything
2020-11-15 01:20
25 replies
#11
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Austria MisterMand
sorry I just tuned in and within 1 minutes he dropped another 60iq bomb, I just had to post it.
2020-11-15 01:21
#13
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Cambodia retard2k
Can definitely agree he doesn't anything
2020-11-15 01:21
2 replies
You nothing
2020-11-15 03:34
1 reply
#73
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Iceland fatboislim
No you
2020-11-15 05:00
hes not very intelligent, i remember he said once that he doesnt need to drink water since coke has water in it
2020-11-15 05:33
19 replies
I mean.......... coke does have water in it.
2020-11-15 06:03
14 replies
#84
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Germany Jermen
So does my piss, maybe I can drink that instead 🤔
2020-11-15 06:12
5 replies
Lol
2020-11-15 08:04
#93
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Sweden Svahn
Probably better for you too. At least first sitting
2020-11-15 08:45
technically you can
2020-11-15 12:28
#251
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Brunei cyLoL
Technically I’d you are in desert and have not water a survival technique is to drink your own pee
2020-11-15 22:20
do it
2020-11-17 17:33
india brain
2020-11-15 12:42
7 replies
eastern europe talking LUL
2020-11-15 12:43
6 replies
at least they dont shit on the streets
2020-11-15 13:28
5 replies
still #130
2020-11-15 13:29
idk shitting on the streets x having mafia and 10€ per month in eastern europe its pretty similar for eastern europe like slovakia estonia etc
2020-11-15 13:49
3 replies
you shouldnt be commenting this, you are from denmark, this is a battle of shit countries
2020-11-15 13:50
2 replies
why are the shit countries battling when they can be in peace tho? im always tired of seeing these arguments on hltv
2020-11-15 13:52
1 reply
You just dont understand it cuz you live in a country i could just wish to be raised-up in. But as much as i know Slovakia is in Deep shit, i have the urge to defend it When someone tries to talk shit About it, mainly When it is country where quality of life is even worse than in mine. So When someone makes fun of eastern Europe and its countries, i talk shit back cuz we still have many Things to show (for example our nature and so on...)
2020-11-15 16:05
#133
perk  | 
Finland eIe
I mean he's not wrong. It would be very unhealthy to drink only Coke tho but still
2020-11-15 12:50
He isn't intelligent, yet He talks about stuff He has no idea about with such confidence, it's actually funny. The coke thing is some of the smarter stuff I've heard Him say.
2020-11-15 13:32
2 replies
Yes the annoying thing is he says braindead stuff with confidence so his viewers just believe him. Kind of sad tbh
2020-11-15 18:00
true lol, he just thinks of things and says it like its an actual fact.
2020-11-16 06:35
+999
2020-11-15 18:03
dont you know ? having 200fps more than Intel right now in CS:GO makes them about 10% slower
2020-11-15 01:21
1 reply
show me vid, not these screenshots with some random numbers they showed with their old pictures from old cpu 500 fps in cs, meanwhile all who buyed them got around 320 ... all forums are full of hate
2020-11-15 12:10
#14
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Japan tatsumi
Imagine taking shroud seriously
2020-11-15 01:22
17 replies
#16
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Austria MisterMand
wym
2020-11-15 01:23
16 replies
#28
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Japan tatsumi
he has good aim but nothing else, his iq is in the negatives
2020-11-15 01:35
15 replies
#33
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Austria MisterMand
yeah i mean his millions of followers take him serious because he has good aim and a deep voice (actual case of voice privilige right there). he gets away with saying the most retarded stuff on a minute to minute basis young impressionable kids actually get dumber by watching him
2020-11-15 01:59
14 replies
+1 His aim isn't even the best, it just looks cool to retarded NA kids, like that robotaim garbage.
2020-11-15 02:18
3 replies
robotaim is made by turk tho nt
2020-11-15 05:32
1 reply
He didn't mention robotaim being an American thing now did he?
2020-11-15 09:31
+1
2020-11-15 08:27
#39
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Japan tatsumi
that voice privilege part reminded me of corpse husband lmao
2020-11-15 02:20
8 replies
That corpse guy is so tryharding his voice it doesn't sound natural at all, can't even watch videos where he is in, it sounds annoying.
2020-11-15 03:25
7 replies
#55
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Australia CaZeR01
I believe his voice, my mates uncle has a voice like it which i love listening to lol
2020-11-15 03:41
#62
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Europe Nuskel
That's because he suffers from GERD. He probably couldn't make a "normal" voice even if he tried.
2020-11-15 04:29
#65
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Japan tatsumi
like #62 said its cuz he has a digestive system issue but it’s annoying asf how egirls get turned on by it
2020-11-15 04:40
1 reply
That voice is scary to listen to if you're alone with him
2020-11-15 08:10
I've been subbed to him for over 5 years and his voice has barely changed from his very first videos, it ain't fake. What is cringe is him completely doing a 180 and going from horror narrations to kids video game "content".
2020-11-16 03:12
2 replies
hey he went from like 500k views a video to 2 million +, i would take that in a heartbeat
2020-11-16 17:56
1 reply
yes I mean ofc anybody would like the extra views but it just looks dummy retarded seeing the channel go from scary horror narration videos to click bait "gaming" videos targeted towards children, like goddaamn atleast make another channel for the narrations/gaming videos man.
2020-11-17 16:38
He plays games for a living, not building pcs. Why would anyone take his word as gospel?
2020-11-15 03:38
#17
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Slovakia itsab8
He is not a PC expert by any means, you would be amazed by how many people don't even consider AMD an option because they "always had an intel PC" and never look the other way... Not to mention he doesn't even have a clue what makes a CPU perform well in gaming.
2020-11-15 01:23
11 replies
#20
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Austria MisterMand
no hes just a brainlet. this thread is gonna get deleted by 8am in the morning, admins dotn want any negative things said about influencers on their cute little site.
2020-11-15 01:25
1 reply
+1
2020-11-15 04:25
#26
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Asia Blitzer
+1
2020-11-15 01:34
#50
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India _Jazz_
+1
2020-11-15 03:25
i had amd, only problems, i had intel, still running after 15 years, never broken, why i should buy amd again, maybe when iam poor, but when i want quality i buy intel again,, u dont change from mercedes to toyota
2020-11-15 12:11
5 replies
so u want to tell the world u are still using a pc with 15 yr old specs? okay...
2020-11-15 12:44
#136
perk  | 
Finland eIe
So you had an AMD processor 15 years ago, it was bad so you changed to an Intel CPU that has been running ever since? Let me tell you a secret: technology has come quite far in 15 years and AMD processors are nowadays a big competitor to Intel and many people agree that AMD has passed Intel in the CPU game.
2020-11-15 12:55
This is embarrassing to read considering it's someone from my own country. :(
2020-11-15 19:48
2 replies
This is embarrassing to read considering it's someone from my own country. :(
2020-11-15 19:58
1 reply
This is embarrassing to read considering it's someone from my own country. :(
2020-11-16 00:56
#252
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Brunei cyLoL
Yeah I agree with the intel vs amd thing I’ve used both and right now I use amd because it is better in every aspect from gaming to productivity multi core and single core use is better maybe in a few years intel can get back but atm amd is just better.
2020-11-15 22:23
well he didnt get 30k views for his iq
2020-11-15 01:23
shroud rekts amd
2020-11-15 01:24
1 reply
cpu brand checks out
2020-11-15 11:54
Zen3 is really good. AMD finally realese good stones. Zen-Zen2 was cheap shit.
2020-11-15 01:27
3 replies
Zen2 waa not cheap shit. Ryzen 3600, 3700 amd threadrippers are among the most bought and most loved cpus out there
2020-11-15 08:12
#137
perk  | 
Finland eIe
Zen2 is good too
2020-11-15 12:56
#143
PUSH | 
Romania csf
Zen2 cheap shit? lmao
2020-11-15 13:06
gnu.org/software/bash/manual/html_node/G.. go read man page shrood noob
2020-11-15 01:30
Who, apart from his fans, takes him seriously?
2020-11-15 01:32
I’m gaming intel is faster, workload Amd is faster. Both win
2020-11-15 01:33
27 replies
intel isnt faster in either anymore
2020-11-15 01:35
26 replies
#35
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Estonia Mrkruvi
+1
2020-11-15 02:17
+1
2020-11-15 02:21
Their equivalents are not much different. Check benchmarks, newest Intel vs newest AMD with similar price are nearly identical. All the hype around AMD in general is extremely overblown, which ofc doesn’t make it a bad CPU. But it’s like Apple saying their newest CPU is ”40x faster than the newest on the market” (true story).
2020-11-15 02:22
15 replies
Yep that and they release shit that isn’t done
2020-11-15 02:33
#58
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Austria MisterMand
you are stupid. the new ryzen perform 10-20% better as marketed. there has never been a higher increase from generation to generation than that in the last 10 years.
2020-11-15 04:22
7 replies
#67
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Europe Vallon4
AMD fanboy spotted. What you said is simply not true.
2020-11-15 04:55
1 reply
ok troll
2020-11-15 15:26
Do you get paid by AMD for saying that? The benchmarks simply don’t agree with you. They might run smoother with lower usage and temperatures but nothing notable. Performance is still identical.
2020-11-15 11:44
1 reply
no they dont, brainlet. #4
2020-11-15 12:14
thats just not true what so ever. its not 10-20% faster than any intel cpu..
2020-11-16 08:06
2 replies
tHatS jUsT nOt TrUe ummm yes it is.
2020-11-16 13:45
1 reply
i build pcs for a living and i can tell you right now its not true bro. maybe in workloads but not gaming
2020-11-16 22:07
#103
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World Beard43
At every price point available Zen 3 beats Intel for total performance and efficiency in gaming and absolutely demolishes them in workstation applications. There's nothing overblown about it, Zen 3 is better than Intel at everything except heating your room.
2020-11-15 09:54
5 replies
Unleas you look at the $700 processors (which are WAY more expensive than Intel’s best processor) then sure. But comparing their counter parts show that they are nearly identical. Intel doesn’t have a counter part to AMD’s newest processor but not every will afford a $700 CPU.
2020-11-15 11:48
4 replies
#187
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World Beard43
Please link the reviews that show this.
2020-11-15 15:27
2 replies
There are several benchmarks on YouTube that you can find. Some games the difference is quite clear but most games the FPS differs only about avg 5 FPS between 5600X and 10600k for example and worth noting is 5600X is still $70 more.
2020-11-15 15:47
1 reply
#199
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World Beard43
I've seen plenty of reviews, I just want to know which ones you're watching because they're obviously not GN, HWU, LTT, HWC etc. and I'm interested to see different results if they're available. From everything I can see though, even with the price rise the zen processors offer better value, better average gaming performance and monstrously more total compute power which historically bodes very well in the long run. They're also significantly more efficient. Your example of the 5600x vs 10600k is a good one that has been addressed at length on a few channels, HWU always do a $/frame section which is nice youtu.be/y7ukz8WUdW4?t=1026
2020-11-15 16:38
so wrong, you just looked at bad benchmarks and went along with your confirmation bias
2020-11-15 22:24
Here is the funny part, Amd is running on 7nm and intel on 14nm and even their newest cpu can only beat it by 4% or so, and that’s Amd flagship besides the thread ripper upper end. When intel releases their new stuff it’s going to make everything else look dumb. I’m glad Amd is finally making progress it forces intel to do something finally!
2020-11-15 02:35
6 replies
#46
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United Kingdom pnuTblyat
The threadripper isnt even close to their best cpu for gaming.
2020-11-15 02:47
based on what? Intels progress has looked very weak last years.
2020-11-15 05:00
1 reply
since beginning 2015 every new intel release is just a reskin of the 6700k 🤦
2020-11-15 13:01
+1
2020-11-15 12:21
Here Is the funny part - amd still have a lot of room for improvement
2020-11-15 12:35
thats because AMD manufacturing is made by TSMC (same with smartphones procesors) and TSMC names differently the manufacturing nodes "falsefully" therefore their 7nm manufacturing node its actually ~11nm vs the 14nm of intel, im not defending AMD or Intel, but just aclaring why "7nm" performs almost the same as 14nm. For those who dont know, the reason for all of this is because, making a node of "true" sub-10 nanometers its extremelly hard and almost impossible to profit until very recently (like 3 months awgo ro smth like that) we, as human specie, are hitting HARD the limits of silicon as material in known universe, and yes, there are billions of dollars worth right now in investments for either a) pushing silicon even harder to their limits and b) finding new future profitable materials, one of them is graphene.
2020-11-16 03:47
+1
2020-11-15 11:54
#25
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United States ShawnM
supposed to be
2020-11-15 01:33
#29
RpK | 
Turkey MrAycan
so ?
2020-11-15 01:40
Shroud is good at aiming and good at videogames but that doesn't make him smart. Why do people put people that used to be professional gamers at this pedestal where they are also expected to be some sort of geniuses? Pro gamers are pro gamers because they are good at games, not necessarily at other things.
2020-11-15 01:40
5 replies
+1
2020-11-15 02:19
chances are actually that if you spend all your time gaming you're quite dumb.
2020-11-15 04:59
^this
2020-11-15 05:35
#196
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Israel sbd123
+1
2020-11-15 15:48
#259
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Canada JC_123
+1
2020-11-16 00:49
This definitely qualifies for the most beta thread ever
2020-11-15 01:55
1 reply
#34
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Austria MisterMand
yeah i guess
2020-11-15 02:13
Ez money for shroud i guess.
2020-11-15 02:20
#40
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Estonia Hoxpox
Just like Pasha said a few years ago: Shrimp Braindead dude
2020-11-15 02:20
#45
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United Kingdom pnuTblyat
he should just stop talking
2020-11-15 02:46
Ahahahahaba What a focking dumb
2020-11-15 03:19
shroud is just wrong
2020-11-15 03:23
#51
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Kuwait roye
so easy to trick people ok lets say amd is better, they made graphs that big so 7 fps seems like 2000percent difference, another statistic im very much into it , is cost per frame, dont end up paying 20euros for one frame in cs lol
2020-11-15 03:30
1 reply
#104
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World Beard43
The difference isn't 7fps in CS, it's massive, AMD is dominating. youtu.be/ip3u8hnKgvU?t=500
2020-11-15 10:02
#54
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United States laiff
There are reason why ryzens are somehow able to make lower prices on their cpus like the cpu memory
2020-11-15 03:40
Yea he isn't the most intelligent person out there, he is nice though
2020-11-15 03:42
1 reply
#59
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Austria MisterMand
is he though? its easy to be "nice" when you got thousands of people licking your boots and millions of dollars in your bank account. the "nicest" thing i have ever seen him do with the money besides buying himself a nice huge house, cars etc is donating like 1k to some charity and post it everywhere to look good.
2020-11-15 04:24
shroud called csgo dead, I stopped trusting anything he said after that, if not ever
2020-11-15 04:26
Well, I check benchmarks and compare processors before i buy them Instead watching fps game streamer would have no affect on my decision whatever he says. Also the game he play rn you can play also in highest settings with $120 cpu.
2020-11-15 04:31
He's sponsored by intel, what do you think he'll say?
2020-11-15 04:56
shrouds an idiot
2020-11-15 04:57
who listens to that retard?
2020-11-15 04:58
He's an idiot, He's just chasing that dollar like a good whore.
2020-11-15 05:02
#75
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Chile esanchez47
shroudie
2020-11-15 05:03
imagine listening to what the most overrated csgo pro of all time has to say
2020-11-15 05:15
alright now i'm gonna play devil's advocate, since i'm not a shroud fanboy A guy streams for idk maybe 5-6 hours/day? its a high probability that from time to time he will say something stupid, everyone does, not about CPU but about many subjects that can pop up in a conversation, its completely normal considering such a wide time span so chill, its not like people are going to listen to what he said and decide "oh well since he said that i think its a good idea to buy X or Z" if they do that its their fault for being idiots, you simply dont buy a PC like that
2020-11-15 05:34
3 replies
Also true.
2020-11-15 07:58
+1
2020-11-15 12:40
#171
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Slovakia ypsylonnn
so chill, its not like people are going to listen to what he said and decide "oh well since he said that i think its a good idea to buy X or Z" pretty sure like 60% of ppl will decide based on what he said
2020-11-15 13:57
Intel > AMD
2020-11-15 05:35
#87
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Ukraine Dert_38
but that's true you are eating scam tests
2020-11-15 08:07
he is right but shroud is so fucking annoying
2020-11-15 08:19
10 replies
Ryzen 5 5600X oc 4.7ghz VS i9 10900K oc 5ghz youtube.com/watch?v=Cwjoj5Qk_Y4&ab_chann..
2020-11-15 08:33
9 replies
gimmick numbers haha 1080p ultra for need for speed heat "130 fps" hahaha the 10700k + 3080 in NFS heat = 200+ fps 1080p ultra, the 130fps is intel @ 4k with a 3080. I have a10700k and a 3080, a friend has a 5600x and a 3080 the numbers aren't even remotely close.
2020-11-15 09:05
8 replies
cry is free intel Fanboy :)
2020-11-15 09:22
7 replies
cry is roughly $399 usd when you buy a 5600x expecting an upgrade from your 3000 series. haha
2020-11-15 09:48
6 replies
Ofc ur friend got that xD anyway no its not gimmick numbers, tons of review sites get results where 5600x beats 10700k. Anyway i understand that u have to lie to feel better about ur own hardware, even tho why the hell do u care... 10700k is a good cpu so why do u even bother that the new ryzens beat the 10th series by a few %. The 11th gen intel cpus will beat ryzen again and then ryzen will come with zen 4 and beat intel most likely.
2020-11-15 16:49
cry is roughly 340€ + 200€ motherboard for 10700k if you expect an upgrade from your 9700k. haha
2020-11-15 17:18
4 replies
k. find 1 ryzen 5000 series benchmark that isn't customized against stock intel. every benchmark is some 3600-4000mhz ram kit, on a 4.7+ ghz 5600x no AA, no tessellation, 1080p high. against nvidia / intel stock settings, random sticks of ram 1080p / 4k ultra. good luck buying a 5600x and overclocking it past 4.5ghz. it just crashes but do go on about how amd is so amazing the $140 you save on a cpu you double - tripple spend on ram to ensure you can get anywhere near the same results as the reviews.
2020-11-15 17:29
3 replies
literally the #4 th post in the thread.
2020-11-15 17:35
2 replies
a fully modded amd vs stock intel. ikr ironic must be fun being an amd user wearing head phones so you know when to breathe in and out since you aren't capable of thinking for yourself.
2020-11-15 17:37
1 reply
its a fully tuned intel vs a fully tuned amd, that is the point of the video, thats what it says in the graph, thats the title of the video. you are completely lost mate, have a good day.
2020-11-15 17:39
He's a intel fanboy
2020-11-15 08:56
Who is shroud?
2020-11-15 09:25
hes's right tho ryzen are slower than intel, its only from ryzen 3 that they're faster, checkmate non shroud believer
2020-11-15 09:27
Shrouds most crowning achievement is having a position on a map which is no longer played, named after him
2020-11-15 09:48
1 reply
Which posicion
2020-11-15 13:12
Lmao the level of shroud hate in this thread is ridiculous. A bunch of people stuck in an endless loop of playing and following a dying game they hate, being jealous of the guy who got out and became more successful (moneywise) than any pro cs has ever seen. Stings even more that his huge success came because he stopped playing that very same game.
2020-11-15 11:41
5 replies
Lmao s1mple doesnt even stream regularly and still has a fuckton of viewers. I also doubt that any top pros can complain about their salary.
2020-11-15 12:40
0/8
2020-11-15 19:20
If people hate on shroud because he says dumb shit, then they're jealous of him. Nice logic. Are all croatians on this site mentally disabled?
2020-11-15 19:53
2 replies
Imagine being this angry over a streamer, and still watch him regularly. Yikes. Don't drown in those tears of rage.
2020-11-16 11:04
1 reply
Give me one good reason to watch a NA streamer
2020-11-16 13:39
Bro he doesnt know how to put graphics card in slot
2020-11-15 11:44
Also few weeks ago He was like "you guys see better stream quality when I play at 1440p" (compared to Him playing at 1080p).
2020-11-15 11:55
2 replies
is it anything new never heard of 1440p?
2020-11-15 11:58
1 reply
#116
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Denmark dyinbyran
I think op means it doesnt change anything because shroud is streaming at 1080p so if he plays at 1440p its not gonna improve the quality for the viewers.
2020-11-15 12:04
shroud the type of guy to: say a game sucks two weeks later hes playing it says "yeah its not that bad" two weeks later, donation on stream- hey shroud why are you not playing X? the game has zero potential, weapons are not balanced, ok mr shroud we are not playing this game anymore csgo is dead he only play games if someone pays him to play them #AD
2020-11-15 12:00
2 replies
Tbh he really became a sellout since he stopped playing pubg. Back then he really seemed to be into the stuff he played, now its kinda meh
2020-11-15 12:37
1 reply
yep!
2020-11-15 13:05
#114
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Serbia Liandry
lol
2020-11-15 12:01
#115
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Denmark dyinbyran
Was he not struggling to like install some gpu? I love shroud but he is not exactly a tech expert I think he even got alt f4 trolled once when he was a small streamer or idk if he was doing it for views.
2020-11-15 12:03
17 replies
99% of yt channels are not tech experts only paid channels. If a channel is testing hardware, this dsnt mean that its not lying or overrating, applies to everything and always.
2020-11-15 12:45
16 replies
#135
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Denmark dyinbyran
Dude i never said shroud has to be a tech expert lol Also whats your point? Intel is faster than AMD?
2020-11-15 12:54
15 replies
my pov that u are a victim of marketing, i dont care about shroud and dude this is ur friend, not me.
2020-11-15 12:57
14 replies
all the individual, often independent review channels are all lying and falsifying numbers as a marketing ploy. its a grand conspiracy!!!!111!11
2020-11-15 13:04
13 replies
dont care about opinion of 13 yo. real results always different from test results, u lost a lot of time if u didnt know about .
2020-11-15 13:12
11 replies
" u lost a lot of time if u didnt know about ." -eyesta, 2020
2020-11-15 13:18
10 replies
put on a mask and go to school, kangaroo kid
2020-11-15 13:24
9 replies
but you have just proven multiple times that you are the kid...
2020-11-15 13:27
8 replies
just dont give a shit about ur opinion,relax
2020-11-15 13:33
7 replies
dont care about opinion of 13 yo.
2020-11-15 13:34
2 replies
1 reply
still replying?
2020-11-15 13:55
#162
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Canada firtlast
profile bio checks out but have a nice day!
2020-11-15 13:47
3 replies
"like to bait" translation: am stupid lowlife and pretend im baiting
2020-11-15 13:56
2 replies
"dont care" "still replying?" "proven multiple times" denied all of this. lul. u even went to my profile, which already suggests that u are indifferent to all this. kid whos ez to provoke and now i just enjoy the result. Id 1360512 Signed up 2020-09-04 Comments 299 o.w.n.e.d. cry is free.
2020-11-15 14:02
1 reply
you know #170 is the truth. "enjoy the result" ok type more
2020-11-15 15:23
It's true. Maybe they do it without money involved and without the will to lie, but a lot of the benchmarks out there doesn't represent actual workloads and the reality of the industry. For example, in any soft like Adobe/Autodesk/Blender they do render tests (video, images,3d...) where AMD is way faster in most of those because they have more cores, but 99% of the time when you use those softs, you are tweaking and creating, not rendering, so those benchmarks are useless (for everyone minus render boy), since the real workload on a studio environment is not rendering all day, in fact, is just a small portion of the team the ones who do that, and the thing gets worst, when you realize most of the render engines out there are gearing to gpu nowadays.
2020-11-15 15:01
Alright, but should u even care? Both are expensive and are the same thing. New GPU's come out all the time.
2020-11-15 13:08
xd
2020-11-15 13:08
this is not very XQCl . weridchamp poggers
2020-11-15 13:28
Kids listening this gamer guy for tech advice. LOL. He knows nothing.
2020-11-15 13:30
1 reply
you knows nothing john snow
2020-11-15 13:45
probably intel gifts him shit
2020-11-15 13:43
#163
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Canada firtlast
good thing most of us aren’t braindead enough to watch fucking shroud of all things
2020-11-15 13:47
imagine having amd. legit kids who spend 24/7 in their basement playing video games for that extra 0.5 fps in some weeb anime game. anyone who uses pc for something else than these trash knockoff anime games on steam will use the intel better. also u dont have to care about ur pc randomly crashing games and stuff like its classic with AMD everyone who works in IT or at least knows a bit about PC will always go for intel. thats just facts.
2020-11-15 13:51
2 replies
xD
2020-11-15 14:45
ITT: It's 2007
2020-11-15 15:35
Breaking: Uninformed fanboy disregarding Tests for trustable gut feeling
2020-11-15 14:51
He has NA brain
2020-11-15 15:24
the question is: "how much?"
2020-11-15 15:25
It's not a word we've been told. He's going to be on the agenda or Intel paid him to say that.
2020-11-15 16:40
1 reply
read the whole post. the quote goes: "ryzens are actually slower than intel but they are faster".
2020-11-15 17:19
Paid (obviously) or not. there will be a lot of people/kids that will take his word as truth. Having 30k viewers works to spread the voice or an idea (even if is this stupid and trivial).
2020-11-15 16:51
i dont give a fuc about shrouds opinion
2020-11-15 17:31
#216
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Brazil F4by
Oh yes i watch Shroud because he has great understanding of the hardware market, said NOBODY ever. Before Ryzen 5000 most ryzen processors would give you less fps in games when compared with their intel counterparts, they won last gen with great cost-efficiency and better productivity tasks. so he's technically right.
2020-11-15 17:40
Shroud's net worth in 2020 (estimate): $16 million ): why me no rich?
2020-11-15 18:26
#228
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Germany R1AN
just facts
2020-11-15 18:27
Streamers aren't famous for being smart.
2020-11-15 18:28
He is just outdated.
2020-11-15 19:07
fuck amd just like fuck ati radeon cards never bought a ryzen cpu (even thought i built countless setups for my mates with ryzen cpus which are good in price/value) and never will , same goes for the counterproducts that face nvidia intel+nvidia combo always come at me
2020-11-15 19:18
5 replies
#239
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World Beard43
Out of curiosity, will you stay loyal to NVIDIA when Intel release their DGPU's or switch to Intel? Which brand are you a bigger fanboy of?
2020-11-15 19:41
2 replies
dunno if you can call me loyal i just like not having problems with the software ecc , radeon always has been crap so i'd rather spend more for the simple and flawless experience(same argument with android phones vs my current iphone , always preffered high-end tech but if it's buggy and annoying i'd rather spend more on something simple and friendly) , that being said , dont know..probably stick with nvidia until the DGPUs have years behind their backs and are reputable enough , so i might try them in the future , for now i dont think i'll change anything since i have a very high-end pc
2020-11-16 17:54
1 reply
#299
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World Beard43
I'm pretty sure I can accurately call you loyal, "intel+nvidia combo always" is a giveaway there! Fair answer, I'll also be waiting to see how the Intel GPUs perform for at least a year or two. The software is definitely a valid reason to choose a brand in regards to the GPU, I use NVIDIA too and would be reluctant to change. AMD would have to offer significantly better value to tempt me. I had an ATI build back in 2008 though and had no issues with software so I can't relate to the anti ATI sentiment, it sounds like AMD have been working very hard at fixing the issues that plagued the 5000 series launch though so it'll be interesting to see how the 6000 launch goes from tomorrow onwards. But there's no such explanation for CPU choice. Again, I also currently use Intel but that's because when I built this system it was the best (same with the system before this one). That's not currently the case though and I won't be using Intel for my next build which will hopefully be by January. AMD is ahead in raw performance, value and massively ahead in efficiency. The only honest reason to use Intel right now is brand loyalty.
2020-11-17 01:27
brand loyalty in 2020 LUL
2020-11-16 03:56
1 reply
i dont give a fuck about the brand itself, it's the user experience i care about
2020-11-16 18:05
He is just dumb. Why do people praise this trash player? He was never even good in cs, like tier 2 in na.
2020-11-15 19:21
#242
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France NMLVirush
I mean, if by slower he means "slower clock speeds" he's right "faster/slower" is often used in retarded ways for pc hardware tbh
2020-11-15 19:56
he is baiter and intel fanboy and val OMEGALUL rant player xaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxa
2020-11-15 20:01
ryzen 5000 series is simply better
2020-11-15 20:04
man people need to learn not to listen to people when they have no idea what they're talking about
2020-11-15 22:09
fine tuned ryzen 5600x outperforms even i9 10900k youtube.com/watch?v=zYhwBk8GE6M intel is kind of joke now. plus you don't need an expensive motherboard for ryzen, most b450 boards have already got zen3 support
2020-11-16 00:45
1 reply
2020-11-16 03:29
#258
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Serbia hitomi79
So , mr.shroud claims that Nestor "LETN1" Tanic is better than Eric "Ryze" Brown .. aaaand. he's right!
2020-11-16 00:48
obviously they are, always buy i7s i9s and all the other once to come
2020-11-16 00:59
Imagine comparing newly released CPU's prices to 10th Intel CPU's prices which are out for a while and already had price cuts. And about overclocking, there is nothing to overclock with AMD. By overclocking u actually get a performance decrease in games because all-core oc can't match boost clock speeds and if it can static voltage you need is too high and will degrade your CPU in long run. Processors basically run max they can out of the box. The same was with 3000 series, want to squeeze out a bit more performance? Ram speed and ram timings, ryzen love fast ram with low timings.
2020-11-16 04:03
im telling you shroud knows jack shit about pc's. I remember him talking about something along the lines of monitor refresh rates and 3/4 of his chat spamming wtf, pepega, shroud are you okay? like he is 0 iq when it comes to those stuff, he should just stick to playing games
2020-11-16 04:06
3 replies
And cheating
2020-11-17 12:33
2 replies
he doesn't cheat, if you watched the "1 hour video proof shroud is cheating" and thought any are fishy then u are braindead. Literally 3/4 of them are him flicking to players on pubg and these cod players that never played a true skilled fps thinks he's cheating.
2020-11-17 15:54
1 reply
Nt PIS political party member 😎😎
2020-11-17 17:29
Never understood how can ignorant people just say shit like this.just stfu!
2020-11-16 04:21
he has as good takes as me always misses
2020-11-16 12:12
I was just talking to my friend the other day about how Twitch and Youtube gave an opportunity to these people, who would otherwise work at a McDonald's, to earn stupid amounts of money.
2020-11-16 12:16
3 replies
or in this case become multi millionaire top 10%er
2020-11-16 13:46
yes and? he's entertaining to a lot of people and if they're willing to give him money, they can. stop crying, you seem to be the person he would end up being. boring unsatisfying job so you cry about other people's success.
2020-11-16 15:09
1 reply
I think its understandable that people in low paying jobs doing a lot more work are annoyed they are so disproportionately paid to these people. The real issue is blaming the streamers rather than their sources of payment. Its like how footballers are paid obscene amounts of money, which Is proportional to their entertainment value i concede but that doesn't make it any less outrageous you see what i mean?
2020-11-16 17:56
it was faster, up until the 5000 series. now not anymore, at least until intel does something.
2020-11-16 18:07
AMD > Intel
2020-11-17 16:39
expected from a manlit
2020-11-17 17:51
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