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12 (2014), 1 (2015), 8 (2016), 19 (2017)
2 x Major winner
1 x Major MVP
6 MVPS
device
20 (2014) , 3 (2015) , 3 (2016) , 5 (2017) , 2 (2018) , 3 (2019) and top 5 this year too.
4 x Major winner
2 x Major MVP
15 MVPS
hahhahahhahahahha . device is the GOAT 100%
how can GOAT be GOAT without ever being the best player in the world?
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You can be the greatest of all time without being the best of all time. S1mple is clearly the best of all time, but he hasn’t achieved as much as dev1ce
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He was the best for several months in his career tho. How can someone be the goat without having the most individual archievments?
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there is not a 6 month stretch maybe even less where dev1ce was no question the best player in the world
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funny how it has to be a 6 month stretch cause it fits your agenda. he was the best player for about 2 months of 2015. 2016-2017 he had about 4 months consecutively
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I said maybe even less. I would say the best measure for this is probably tournaments but sorry i didnt pick your own favorite number. 2 months is nothing, and 2016-17 which 4 months?
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2 months is a decent period. 2016 around november until march. shouldve been the major mvp as well.
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2 months is like only 2 major tournaments (and that may not always be the case). with 2016 they did have a big loss against optic but idk maybe you are right too lazy to check
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so a lost final means that you arent the best player? lmfao. they also played around 4 events over that span in 2015
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I just said what I remember and clearly stated that I dont have the full story brother.
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yes then maybe you should stop talking about it before you at least briefly check what happened. + your response was completely irrelevant to my question.
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and your question was completely irrelevant as I clearly said I am basically done with this conversation as I am too lazy to research stats.
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"too lazy to check" lmfao
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this is an hltv conversation
dude first of all, flair checks out. only a thorin fangirl can be as brainded as you. look at accomplishments and contribution to the team. dev1ce has been top 5 for many many months. he is a major mvp, winner of 4 majors, intel grandslam, many many more accomplishments. there isn't even a debate here. dev1ce is THE GOAT. s0mple, ol0f, zywoo aren't even close to what he has done in the cs scene
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astralis fangirl mad af. you are talking about something completely different that what is above but okay sure I am braindead you are very smart mr glory hunter
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lmao. your argument was:
"how can GOAT be GOAT without ever being the best player in the world?"
It doesn't matter if hltv gave him a title or not. you and your mom know that he was the biggest influence in Astralis' success in the last 3 years. and even on hltv, he has been top 5 multiple times but s1mple has a lot of cocksuckers so even without success, even with everyone seeing how much of a baiter and statpadder he is, analysts and casters talk about him like he's the best thing that has ever happened to csgo. i'm not saying he's bad. he just doesn't play for the team, he plays for himself. that's the opposite of dev1ce. but looking at your flair, your hate for astralis and dev1ce is just not going to open your eyes to him
Maybe because his other individual achievements slightly outweigh the one individual achievement that he doesn't have (Top1)? Although it's probably because of Astralis, his stockpile of awards (both individual and as a team-player) are through the roof. He is most definitely NOT the Best of all time, but the greatest player of the tactical team-game called CS? Yes, there is a solid, logical argument for that, although debatable.
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"it's probably because of Astralis" as if the other players won tournaments 1v5
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Nope, that's not the point. When your team is performing so good as a whole (prime Astralis), you only have to be the best in your team to win the MVPs, since MVPs are almost always from the winning team, and since these MVPs are used in rankings, it kinda messes it up because of just this.
Even if there's a 2 times more talented, more impactful, higher-rated player, simply because he wasn't in a great team, he couldn't win the tournament, and hence has a very low chance for MVP. Only real hard-carries to the finals have an MVP chance, even after losing. So yes, most of device's MVPs, especially the ones in 2018 and 2019 (which are almost all of his MVPs) are arguably because of entire Astralis being so good, rather than himself being a God, and of course, there's nothing wrong with that, per se.
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yes, it is the point. the vast majority of other GOAT contenders have also always had GOAT contending teams behind them. fnatic, nip, sk. somehow it wasnt because of the team when coldzera won his mvps even though he relied on the team to set him up way more than device. device has by a significant margin the most individual impact on that team. you could also do some more research before you start talking about a topic. all of device's mvps last year were really good and 100% deserved. and even when you take out 2018, he still has more mvp awards than for example niko. olof and cold got none outside of their team's dominant periods.
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I agree with you on all these points, which is why I mentioned in my first comment, that there's a solid argument to designate him as the goat. I respect that. But, you'll never be able to convince anyone that he is the most skilled player/best individual player of all time (BOAT), simply because it's clear he's not that good individually, and that's exactly what I alluded to, in my 2nd comment. He's not the best of all time.
About device being GOAT, there's a debate possible, only because of an argument that maybe he couldn't have been where he is, without a team as strong as Astralis. One contrasting example: s1mple, who needs only 3 players to shine brightly at the same time (s1mple+elec+flamie/perfecto/boomich) to take down any damn team, while device+magisk+dupreeh+jugi+snappi for example wouldn't even be a top10 team, and device wouldn't have his MVPs (Don't be mad, just an example. I didn't take Bubzkji+es3tag, because they are loads better than average players)
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you didnt just compare "s1mple+elec+flamie/perfecto/boomich" to "device+magisk+dupreeh+jugi+snappi". device was the only player performing on that lineup and all the others were utter trash, ofc theyre gonna be bad. apparently elec isnt much better than the average player and boomich is average.
youre just pulling shit out of your ass.
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nah i can see what you mean, youre just extremely biased and say nonsense thats not anywhere near a fair comparison to prove your point. you probably think cold is closer to BOAT than device and is less "boosted" by his team. device wouldve still been a superstar in a team like north, cold probably not. btw im not saying device is the GOAT, its s1mple, im just trying to contrast him against the other contenders
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I wouldn't call any of them the absolute GOAT/BOAT, tbh :D It's a debate and that's where I rest my case. Some might be more deserving for the title than the others. For example, I consider s1mple and device as the only contenders for the GOAT title (device more than s1mple, till now), and s1mple, Niko, Cold, Xi Wu the only contenders for the BOAT title (personal opinion - s1mple more than the others). I wouldn't give the titles whole-heartedly to any of them, though I might be biased towards s1mple.
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"Cold" is just funny tbh. both olof and device have a higher ceiling than him.
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damn, he has a graffiti ingame, how FUCKING unreal. kekw. i also dont care whether or not he had a useless accolade, he achieved nothing after or before that and was on top individually for a much shorter period. he also never really carried a team.
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idk why you are guessing who you think I believe the goat to be, but the flair checks out
+1 device GOAT
+1!
olof shouldnt even be in contention for GOAT. device is a top 5 player at an age where olof wasnt top 20 and just became a decent lurk/support. s1mple, niko etc. dont look like theyll be falling of any time soon as well.
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+1
Olof hasn't been injured for 4 years now, can you use another excuse?
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Irrelevant. Olof's strength was never his aim. Can't believe how many excuses you fanboys will find to justify your fav player's performance. Also #80 . /close
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He wasn't something else. Guardian could've easily been #1 in that year, they had the same stats, olof only got #1 because of team achievements. Device had better stats that year btw and his team constantly destroyed Olof's fnatic. If TSM wins Cluj Nappoca that year, Device might've gotten #1. Some people are really biased and forget what happened. Olof's strengh was never his AIM, his strength was his playmaking and that's it. He is probably the most overrated #1 player we've ever had. I suggest you go back and watch some demos instead of creating a false narrative about your fav player.
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They CHOKED in the quarters, going in to the event they were #1 and destroying everyone. Nice try with your revisionist history.
has he said that he is free from the injury?
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Lmfao he got a surgery if you think that still impacts his game you are delusional. Guardian had a similiar injury in 2015 and got a surgery and still performed after that, he only fell off before leaving faze.
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I dont think olof is better than device. Im just curious because if you keep playing the game after problems with rsi you most likely not gonna be 100% fine. Rsi is hard to treat and usually surgery is the last resort as it kills other tissue and can lead to other problems and its usually just done if you have serious problems with pain.
just classic excuses by olof apologists. even if olof fell off because of his injury, he still fell off and never came back.
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Plus all that is irrelevant when device 2019 > olof 2015, so i don't understand what these olof fanboys are actually thinking. He was #1 in 2015, cool but to claim he is the goat or that he was so good is idiotic.
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yeah. people also never put it into context and compare some performances that maybe werent awarded a #1 but couldve been better than some of the #1s just cause they dont like that player and wanna take away from his career.
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+1 also hltv using different stats in order to give the #1. Olof got it in 2015 because of his team achievements, while device was denied #1 in 2019 in favour of Zywoo's individual achievements which proves these lists should not be taken seriously.
Olof and gtr are probably the weakest #1 players
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2014 #1 should have been flusha anyway
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0/8 kenny>flusha
Astralis 0 major deserved
Fnatic 3 majors deserved
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lmao bro GTR one of the most overrated players of all time
He was literaly playing against players being paid €300/month and half a pizza + gear. Can't compare the scene back then to where it is now
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True, the scene is different now ...- however you have to make the comparison based on how the player in question measured up against their respective peers, regardless of when they played ... Even so, Gtr still managed to make the transition into CSgo and Olof also played before the transition ...
Olof never was as dominant as Gtr was, nor compared to Device ...
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truth he was 1.6 god
But no one cares about that in 2020
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Device is not even comparable in terms of achievements and skill to b0fl0f
Btw you can throw these top20 placements out in the trash. In reality device deserved top1 from 2015-2016 but hltv cucked him because Olof had more achievements at the time. Then when device was by far top1 in terms of skill AND achievement in 2018-2019 all of a sudden only their arbitrary rating mattered (read: baiting)
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You always mald S1mple gets rated better cuz of 2.0 rating now you mald cuz device got less achievements than olof???
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yh and?
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Dont be hypocrite Just because its your fav player? Just saying
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everyone on this site are hypocrites
Do you expect me to be better than people like sam2k?
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Well i dont see why YOU wouldnt want to be better
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It's hard man
We all have our own personal biases
No one is 100% objective
cold.
What even is the point of this thread? Insecure device fangirl making useless thread for something nobody asked about, how low can you get?
2018 device would've been #1 in 2015
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Ok, 2019 elige would've been #1 in 2015
There's no GOAT. Different eras had different star and top players.
You can say "XYZ is one of the best players" or something like that, but you can't say "XYZ is the best player of all time". It's overall kinda stupid to try and give one person the GOAT title in a team sport. No matter how unreal your skill is, you still need good teammates to achieve something. Prime examples being S1mple and NiKo.
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And yet he has never been top 1. Take the hint, he's an overrated player on a good quality team.
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He's overrated in terms of he is not "best player in the world" potential.
He's a good player, he's just never going to be top 1 because his individual skill is not the level as other stars.
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Ok? But he's never been top 1 which is what I am talking about. He could be top 2 every year since 2012 and It still doesn't change the fact he can't reach top 1.
coldzera is way better under pressure,I cant really remember him choking in a final or something like that.But you are just casually ignoring device before 2018,he was notorious for weak mentality and often struggled in big moments.
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How can devve be goat if he was never the best?
cant be goat if he was never the best
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Longevity > peaking for 2 years then being an average tier 1 player
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Plenty of his MVP medals should've been awarded to one of his teammates. Device has always been favored when it comes to MVP medals, no matter how bad he played and how good his teammates played.
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true.
nt olof is the goat
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GOAT and never had top 1 hltv
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prime olof > never number 1 ecovice
like yeah no shit device is top 5 all time for csgo but holy fuck the number of bandwagon astralis fangays these days trying to make him number 1 lmao
It doesnt matter how much device did. The unfortunate truth is that being top 1 once is better than being about top 5 for ages. But still both are legends.
s1mple undisputed GOAT of csgo
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