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Navi list of problems
3EBC | 
Russia jon_masseur_and_cook 
1. Late executes (not that big of a problem) 2. Perfecto (worst player in the history of the org) 3. Weak mentality 4. S1mple baiting sometimes
2020-11-22 21:52
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#1
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Germany Germania
1. s0mple
2020-11-22 21:52
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2. s0mple
2020-11-22 21:56
#2
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
1. s0mple
2020-11-22 21:52
1. s0mple
2020-11-22 21:52
perf played good bruh
2020-11-22 21:53
1 reply
+1
2020-11-23 09:01
1. Tactics 2. Mentality 3. Flamie 4. Boombl4 5. Coaching 6. Charachter
2020-11-22 21:53
20 replies
+1 7. s0mple on AWP.
2020-11-22 21:54
+1 -boombl4 -flamie -blade +chopper +magixx/Axile +coach who?
2020-11-22 21:57
17 replies
zeus
2020-11-22 21:58
14 replies
nooooo they still play based on zeus old tactics. then need a new coach with a fresh playstyle
2020-11-22 21:59
13 replies
Zoner))
2020-11-22 21:59
2 replies
could be good actually
2020-11-22 22:00
After the 3year Ban of course
2020-11-22 22:15
zeus can really help with their mentals tho
2020-11-22 22:18
4 replies
True he is the only one who managed S1mple and Boombitch can’t do shit
2020-11-22 23:33
3 replies
+1
2020-11-23 09:01
#150
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Europe mAngOnice
imagine if Zeus comes as coach to navi, and then -flamie +mir, Zeus was only one that could contain s1mple
2020-11-24 13:36
1 reply
Then major win zeus 5 major wins
2020-11-24 14:11
lmbt/little?
2020-11-22 22:20
1 reply
forze hiring 3 coaches and still losing to tier666? Nice, but no.
2020-11-22 22:41
still play on zeus tactics axaxaxa omg what do you smoke
2020-11-22 23:39
2 replies
zeus spend 8 months ish to train boombl4 to igl. he molded him, and you can clearly see how their playstyle is still affected by it, they still play their idiotic slow rounds leaving the clock with 10 sec left and no info. you are mentally handicapped, its ok.
2020-11-23 08:54
1 reply
ok
2020-11-24 13:34
#35
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Germany N00bsF1rst
lmbt
2020-11-22 22:00
1 reply
+1
2020-11-22 22:02
+1 actual person with brain
2020-11-24 16:34
Perfecto drops awps to s1mple and has to bear having worst weapons in ecos/force buys, so hes not really put in a great position either
2020-11-22 21:53
2 replies
Really man, perfecto played decent. Boombl4 was dumb IGL.
2020-11-22 22:00
1 reply
His calling wasnt on point i'll give you that, now of course perfecto isnt the main reason navi lost of course
2020-11-22 22:11
perfecto > seized wdym
2020-11-22 21:53
1.s0mple
2020-11-22 21:53
Perfecto isnt even that bad what, this kind of treatment is unfair
2020-11-22 21:53
s1mple and his ego takes over the igl position, boombl4 is too scared of s1mple yelling around and telling everyone what to do.... they need a igl that is alpha and tell s1mple to shut the fuck up and do what he says
2020-11-22 21:53
10 replies
+1 Zeus was this igl
2020-11-22 21:53
Right, you surely know what exactly is going on inside the team. It’s the same if I would say that your family is based on matriarchy and your dad is scared of your mom yelling at him, considering that I’ve never met these people
2020-11-22 22:02
2 replies
Nice comparison
2020-11-22 23:41
#155
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Russia Drapery
Well, knowing how toxic and massive ego s0mple is, that probably what is really going on in the team
2020-11-24 14:18
+1 KICK BOOMBL4 and FLAMIE
2020-11-22 22:04
+1 just like Zeus did. If at any time s0mple started yelling, Zeus would just say zeus_1_major_s0mple_0_major and he'd instantly shut the fuck up
2020-11-22 22:14
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#87
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Ukraine Nzr0
ahahahahah that zeus_1_major_s0mple_0_major was golden
2020-11-22 22:29
KEKW
2020-11-22 22:31
not true at all. haven't you seen the clip of navi comms during blast? s1mple literally begging boombl4 to not shout and calm down...
2020-11-22 22:50
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see? thats literally proof of his ego deciding boombl4 way of igling, if it was zeus he would say, "shut the fuck up s1mple, this is my way of calling and we are winning because of it" and simple would play and do whatever zeus said
2020-11-22 23:14
- Perfecto. He did ok BoombI4 and flamie are the biggest problem and blade stats probably
2020-11-22 21:53
#13
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France Rieppp
Perfecto played really good imo, GG NAVI, still an insane performance !
2020-11-22 21:53
#14
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France naveJ
perfecto > flamie big noob he was the worst player there
2020-11-22 21:53
1 reply
+perfecto is a bitch of s1
2020-11-22 22:27
Flamie should be 1. on that list... Perfecto plays the worst bombsites and still out frags him
2020-11-22 21:54
Weak mentality is their biggest problem though, I wonder how much tears they will cry until they will understand that they need to work on real job when they'll stop gaining money from pc game.
2020-11-22 21:54
1. Mentality 2. Dedication 3. Consistency 4. Tactics 5. Flamie
2020-11-22 21:55
3 replies
consistency should be 2nd
2020-11-22 22:32
6. Tilting and simple choking in important moments
2020-11-22 23:42
1 reply
s1mple did more than normal player is supposed to do for his team to win, definitely not the one to blame. People often become overdemanding towards stars of the team when they dont drop 30 bombs every map.
2020-11-23 08:45
Boombl4 56-82 -26 ADR 61.4 KAST 66.7% Rating 0.85 flamie 56-90 -34 ADR 56.7 KAST 64.2% Rating 0.77 They are the problems not perfecto. i agree on points 1 and 3 but 2 and 4 are not the problems.
2020-11-22 21:55
Perfecto is a support player. His stats are S1mples stats. His job it to make S1mple succeed, not to get kills. Also, there's literally no reason this lineup can't be top1. They were before online, don't see why they can't again.
2020-11-22 21:55
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He’s actions are just too stupid. When he needs to fight, he retrieves and still dies, but when he needs to retrieve he chooses to fight and dies too
2020-11-22 22:05
Solutions: 1. Train your tactics 2. Kick this untalented bot and add someone who can stare at a position without constantly jiggling his crosshair 3. Listen to Gleb 4. Make flamie always entry, make Boombl4 go last, s1mple&elec 2nd&3rd players to execute the site. Don’t let s1mple be the last one by any means
2020-11-22 21:56
s0mple IS THE PROBLEM
2020-11-22 21:56
1 s0mple 2 electronic 3 flamie 4 booml4 5 perfecto
2020-11-22 21:56
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Onliner checks out
2020-11-22 23:31
1 and 3 is correct
2020-11-22 21:58
1. electronic 2. flamie 3. perfecto 4. boombla
2020-11-22 22:00
-Navi lost momentum because one late execute "late executes (not that big of a problem)" Ok
2020-11-22 22:00
3 replies
Because it is not the hardest thing to deal with
2020-11-22 22:02
2 replies
Its been their main problem for the whole year..
2020-11-22 22:04
1 reply
True. But it has slowly gotten less and less often
2020-11-22 22:06
#36
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Argentina Lukem_Fan
wtf???????? Perfecto > Boombl4 and flamie 100%
2020-11-22 22:01
1 reply
+1
2020-11-22 22:21
#37
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Russia Drapery
You didn't list a single of actual navi's problems but ok
2020-11-22 22:01
1 reply
+1
2020-11-22 23:30
1. Flamie - has no fucking clue how to hold monster on Overpass. 2. Shitty strats with last second calls. 3. Boomich - likes to feed himself at car on Inferno. 4. Simple choking in finals. 5. Weak mental game, easily tilted.
2020-11-22 22:02
30 replies
simple choking? 118 kills do you even watch the matches they would have lost d2 if it wasent for him
2020-11-22 22:04
27 replies
Did you even watch last 3 maps, especially mirage? He choked hard.
2020-11-22 22:04
24 replies
he did fine u cant just put everything on him bc he didnt drop 30's every match flamie and boomb literally were garbage all 5 maps
2020-11-22 22:06
23 replies
Flamie/boomich playing bad and simple choking are not mutually exclusive. He played like shit in the last maps of the GF and this is not the first time he does that. Hes actually really consistent at shitting the bed when shit goes sideways.
2020-11-22 22:08
22 replies
he did fine he needs his team to be good how much more then 118 kills do you expect ? They absolutly need to remove flamie for now and boombitch.
2020-11-22 22:10
19 replies
The fuck are you on about? They were setting him up for kills all the time. Dude gets AKs dropped even when hes bottomfragging. With his talent and the way they play around him of course he will post good stats fragwise but that doesnt translate into wins. Look at his stats on mir and overpass and how many impact frags he had on mir. Wasnt he the one who stopped to kill short(while having backup in con) with the bomb on his hands and 8 seconds left in the round?
2020-11-22 22:13
18 replies
u keep putting everything on him while his teamates avg 11 kills a GAME gtfo outta here
2020-11-22 22:19
5 replies
Are you retarded or something? Do I really need to quote #52 again? Kiddo you dont have to go the extremes, that only makes you look dumber.
2020-11-22 22:21
4 replies
he didnt play like shit he literally played fine.
2020-11-22 22:22
3 replies
??? He played way below average given how they play around him. Simple choking in finals is a well known phenomenon.
2020-11-22 22:26
2 replies
118 kills below avg pick one.
2020-11-23 03:05
1 reply
Facepalming really hard rn
2020-11-23 08:38
u literally pick apart everything he does like hes supposed to be perfect everymap he needs good teammates period. perfecto flamie and boombitch literally were trash last 3 maps.
2020-11-22 22:20
1 reply
I literally listed 4 other points, but since you clearly have problems with reading amma give you a pointer -> #38
2020-11-22 22:22
Yeah but if he didnt kill short, they would have stopped the bomb. Cause 1 was ct, 1 short and 1 ramp. Where would have they planted? And shox killed s1mple while his teammate were fucking sitting in stairs waiting for s1mple to plant without clearing the site. And match was over way before. On overpass how can you pick a map and only get 3 t rounds? On Inferno you cant hold banana and boomblr always made bad calls which led to s1mple not being on the site where Ts were going. You cant blame s1mple for all this. He might have missed a shot or 2. But remove him and even add zywoo inplace of him for first 2 maps. No way NAVI is winning without him. And he did play well but he is not gonna tell them where to go on T and how to hold on CT.
2020-11-22 22:23
9 replies
IIRC there were 2 guys in con and short was mollied. Instead of moving onto site he decided to use another couple of seconds and making it even harder to plant. They wouldve had time to plant and trade had the bomb guy(simple????) pushed as soon as they mollied short. #84 And for the last part; #81
2020-11-22 22:28
8 replies
Cant you push a molly to stop the bomb and win the round? And shox would have killed either way. They didnt even know that shox was ramp. Tf you saying?
2020-11-22 22:29
7 replies
"IIRC there were 2 - TWO - guys in con" and Im pretty sure that it was simple who had the bomb on him. Shox got traded as soon as he got one frag and they ended up lacking that 1.5 extra seconds to plant the bomb. Are you that retarded?
2020-11-22 22:30
6 replies
WTF ??? Are you drunk? Shox was the only alive guy. Thats why they won the round. JUST STFU RETARD.
2020-11-22 22:31
5 replies
Alright, show was actually the last one alive. But are you going to argue that simple(bombguy???) not pushing con as soon as he mollied short and thus losing the time IS FALSE you fucking degenerate? also prove #84 wrong
2020-11-22 22:35
4 replies
NICE YOU FUCKING SON OF A BITCH. When he mollied it was 20 seconds. And RPK was peeking him from short. Perfecto heard about rpk from underpass. And he tried to cover perfecto and not die by RPK. And if they he didnt kill RPK , he would have pushed molly and killed since he was far ahead of it. And anyways they are lucky zywoo missed his shot, else he would have killed from jungle. s1mple he took 2/ seconds to peek rpk and kill. After killing there were 10 seconds left and he still died? You understand CS maybe? They thought it was clear. shox was ramp and they didnt even expect it. He peeked and killed the bomb. Maybe understand something you fucking bettor losers. GO KYS
2020-11-22 22:39
3 replies
Prove #84 wrong you fucking underage donkey
2020-11-22 22:41
2 replies
I proved your mother wrong on #59. hltv.org/matches/2345221/natus-vincere-v.. Player of the match. BEST STATS. THEY DONT LIE YOU FUCKING RETARDED SHIT. Fucking CLOWN. Just kys fucking braindead tard.
2020-11-22 22:44
1 reply
Man youre retarded beyond salvation. Lemme guess, you dropped out of highschool because youre too stupid to make simple logical conclusions based on empirical evidence.
2020-11-22 23:04
He was their best player on every map expect Inferno. Btw boombl4 made alot of bad calls on CT, always wrong stacks. You cant do shit there.
2020-11-22 22:11
1 reply
2020-11-22 22:19
just the first two he played well
2020-11-23 03:12
1 reply
the other he played fine not bad like this guy is saying hes not gonna drop a 30 vs the number one ranked team every match. my whole point is he played fine. The guy above said he played like shit.
2020-11-23 03:15
-flamie and boombitch.
2020-11-22 22:04
1 reply
+1
2020-11-22 23:29
#44
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United States fowlyz
Bring monesy in the team and I guarantee navi would do way better than if they had flamie.
2020-11-22 22:04
5 replies
He is too young to compete
2020-11-22 22:10
4 replies
#56
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United States fowlyz
When he is old enough, or even bring in ax1le, he can open up a site in like 10 seconds.
2020-11-22 22:11
3 replies
They need changes definitely. But I’m not sure if it has to be the roster. Plus, they’ve been pretty good throughout the tournament so we probably shouldn’t even bash them so hard right now. Of course there are mistakes, but they are not at their lowest right now
2020-11-22 22:15
2 replies
#78
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United States fowlyz
But I still think navi can be much better with someone other than flamie. He is just too inconsistent and doesn't show up when it matters most. He may be a very good player but thats bringing him down.
2020-11-22 22:22
1 reply
2020-11-22 22:24
2 replies
Im blaming Boombl4 AND perfecto. But with that said, it doesn’t mean that Boombl4 has to be kicked. They need to change their structure because flamie+perfecto combo on any site is super risky since they are both bad af, but flamie is at least trying his best while perfecto does cool mouse moves. He might not be a bad player, but i feel like he always tries to show off
2020-11-22 22:10
1 reply
ur retarded flamie is worse then perfecto and its not even a debate flamie didnt even have 1 single good game the whole final
2020-11-23 03:17
#60
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United States Bl1zzardZ
Perfect0 > Flamie/Boombl4
2020-11-22 22:13
2 replies
2020-11-22 22:16
1 reply
ur retarded and wrong hows it feel?
2020-11-23 03:18
NAVI the problem is CIS doesnt have any good IGLs. And they can kick flamie and get maybe mir. But the problem is their T side. Even CT side on some maps sometime.
2020-11-22 22:14
Perfecto does better than Flamie and Booml4 in almost every match idk what youre talking about kick flamie and get magixx or sum
2020-11-22 22:16
1 reply
2020-11-22 22:16
5. sometimes
2020-11-22 22:19
all the time u meant
2020-11-22 22:28
#90
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Russia Izyaaaa
hahahhahahahahahahhaha perfecto worst player in history of org? He even not worst at this roaster.
2020-11-22 22:30
2. Perfecto (worst player in the history of the org ????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Lmao even glave and karrigan praised him alot on hltv confirmed interviews , that he fits the navi lineup so well and no one is praising or talking about him And then a moron on hltv thinks that knows more than amazing igls lul They also said that flamie is good but a bit inconsistent. But you wouldnt even consider putting flamie as a problem right? BIASED RUSSIAN MORON
2020-11-22 23:03
3 replies
+1 yea I don't watch Navi too often but I feel like Perfecto is a strong clutch player and is playing his support role really well, but apparently he's trash idk.
2020-11-23 03:17
2 replies
no hes good flamie sucks super hard used to be a beast but not anymore
2020-11-23 03:19
Exacly... flamie is playing second contact on all ct setups , baiting perfecto , and still cant do shit... IDK how this guy is not getting kicked ... bot flamie must be son of NAVI CEO...
2020-11-23 03:21
Perfecto is very good , flamie has problems.
2020-11-22 23:05
1) I agree 2) I disagree (Perfecto is good support) 3) Maybe 4)flamie is the main problem 3)Electronic is inconsistent af right now
2020-11-22 23:24
1.s0mple
2020-11-22 23:25
Perfecto is consistent and does his job well he doesn’t underpreform like their shotty fat igl Booblah or whatever
2020-11-22 23:28
4. S1mple baiting "SOMETIMES"
2020-11-22 23:30
Perfecto is kinda inconsistent but this tournament he was insane.
2020-11-22 23:38
#120
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Canada firtlast
1. flamie 2. lack of a good coach 3. shit mental 4. entire team inconsistent 5. bad economy management 6. none of them are using the ‘clutch’ role stickers on their guns (this is the most important one of them all the rest i made up)
2020-11-23 03:06
3 replies
+111111111111111111111111111111
2020-11-23 03:19
entire team other then simple you mean
2020-11-23 03:20
s1mple is consistently GODLIKE for like 5 years
2020-11-23 09:02
The worst one is definitely flamie, he just shows his awkward smile feeling unwell of constantly getting carried. It will be a good refreshment for all, he needs to restore his motivation and skills deep within, Na'Vi need a reliable fifth. And yeah, Boombla is of a little use too, drop him along with him, he's a poor fragger and it's safe to assume he never was a captain and not an IGL either.
2020-11-23 03:26
1. Late executes (not that big of a problem) - yes 2. Perfecto (worst player in the history of the org) - ????? hes above boom and flamie like last 5 matches.. 3. Weak mentality - flamie,boom thinking that elec and s1mple will win for them. 4. S1mple baiting sometimes - he needs to...
2020-11-23 08:50
perfecto surely isnt the problem. if you want to blame individual performance then blame flamie and boombla. another thing is that boombla and blade is just horrible fit together
2020-11-23 08:53
1. flamie
2020-11-23 09:01
#143
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Czech Republic JameS_19
Perfecto is one of the best player in CIS. He was yesterday third best player, and HE IS SUPPORT PLAYER, and he still put up numbers like that. In dust2 match, he saved AK, he dropped it to electronic, and he still had 3100$. And guess what. He bought AK and drop it to Flamie, and him self played Galil. I don't know why they use player skilled like him as a bank. Also, someone wrote it few days ago, full team goes eco, only S1mple goes for hero AK, then he has no money, so perfecto drops him AWP, and plays deagle. They told him he will play support, so he take this role perfectly, he is playing this role as best as he can. But I don't know why they gave him that role. He's too skilled for it.
2020-11-23 09:02
Boombl4 sometimes plays like a bot So does Flamie Perfecto is good enough
2020-11-23 09:09
2 replies
#149
B1T | 
Europe Gigska
that because boombla cant be good igl and good player same time, but now he is very shit as igl and as player
2020-11-24 13:35
1 reply
I know
2020-11-24 15:23
Nothing wrong with perfecto
2020-11-23 15:55
#147
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Russia INNESOR
perfecto??? go play kopatel online man
2020-11-24 13:32
#148
B1T | 
Europe Gigska
flamie (worst player in the history of the org)
2020-11-24 13:33
imagine saying perfecto sucks kekw. that means you're b8ing 0/8. perfecto second best player in navi and he plays all the hard support roles
2020-11-24 13:39
#152
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CIS LuNaRy
-flamie +mir -boombl4 +chopper navi era
2020-11-24 13:46
#153
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Russia SW@G_2
perfecto is not the worst, even though I also thought that way for some time. I have to say that the problem is flamie and also elec underperforming for pretty much the whole of online era
2020-11-24 13:47
Dude, they just made the finals. They don't have many problems.
2020-11-24 14:28
1. I agree 2. Flamie is a bigger problem 3. How would you know? 4. 0/8
2020-11-24 16:36
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