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ZywOo > s1mple and here's why
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22 
In this BO5 series, 47.5% of s1mple's kills came from the awp compared to 23% of ZywOo's. The stat for the last 6 months is: s1mple 44% awp kills; ZywOo 36% awp kills. > s1mple relies on the awp considerably more than ZywOo does. In those last 6 months ZywOo took 25% opening duels compared to s1mple's 20.7%. ZywOo not only takes opening duels much more which probably means he does it with the rifle much more ( which is ofcourse much harder, but he is more impactful at them posting a 1.29 opening rating compared to s1mple's 1.20. ZywOo also has maps like inferno and vertigo where on the T side he may not even be considered a star player, he is almost a raw entry. Its common knowledge that star awpers have their stats padded the most. They are more inclined to bait, save and use the easiest gun in the game said by s1mple himself. The average awper has a considerably better rating than the average rifler, much better kd, much less deaths per round. I mean this shouldnt be talked about right? We all know its the best and the most expensive weapon and thus the star player using it is logically setup for kills so the team wins right? s1mple is definitely the biggest star awper. > ZywOo entries much more with both the rifle and the awp and in general uses the statpadding weapon less > That should make definitely make his rating worse compared to s1mple's + > hey have the same rating = zywoo is a better player than s1mple
2020-11-22 23:42
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#1
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
Also the opponents which ZywOo faced were on average of much higher level and ranking than that of s1mple's opponents this year. And even then in this online period ( using the last 6 months metric ) zywoo posted a 1.32 rating against the best t1 eu competition, while s1mple had a 1.28 vs CIS. Clear #1 ZINEDINE XI WU THE P250 AK AWP DRAGON LORE >>> KNYAZ SASHA OF THE GREAT BLYAT
2020-11-22 23:51
18 replies
U are telling me NaVi as a team is better than vitality's
2020-11-22 23:48
11 replies
#14
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
no but at the very least s1mple should have been much better to post up great stats vs tier 2 cis compared to zywoo vs t1 eu only for the most of the online period.
2020-11-22 23:50
7 replies
#67
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Finland Faust_fSt
You went through all the effort of making this post, and then you throw out all your credibility just to go and say that Vitality plays only against EU t1 and NaVi plays only against CIS t2. How do I make the clown emoji on hltv?
2020-11-23 10:01
2 replies
#173
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Ukraine NiP_sux
🤡 win + . and u can choose emoji just like on smartphone
2020-11-28 15:35
Yes, for the most of the online period, this assumption is correct.
2020-11-29 12:51
#185
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Canada RhysEvans
he actually played worse against those opponents, he was better against top 20 teams
2020-11-29 07:15
2 replies
his fault. His and NaVi's form dropped, maybe if he played t1 during that period it would have been 1.15.
2020-11-29 12:50
1 reply
#208
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Canada RhysEvans
I'm pretty sure they just didn't car about those tournaments, they already qualified for the never happening major. if you watched the games they were doing crazy weird strats they never tried against real competitors . plus a fair few of the teams they lost too were using the coaching bug so.
2020-11-30 03:46
I know im late here but simple has better elite event rating and rating vs top 5 lmao
2021-01-17 04:21
I will
2020-11-23 13:38
1 reply
+1
2020-11-27 11:09
Yes, better than vitality. #2. #1 almost whole year but got robbed by astralis in last month.
2021-01-17 05:37
+1
2020-11-22 23:49
#89
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Kazakhstan riven1337
I didn't even read this article, nonetheless, I agree that zywoo is better
2020-11-23 12:36
#92
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Germany m1soooo
Man you had a good point at first and then this...
2020-11-23 12:40
1)Simple has more top10 opponents than ZyWoo in 2020 2)Simple's stats on rmr cis are worse than his average stats I agree ZyWoo was slightly better individually this year but ur point is fake.
2020-11-28 17:03
1 reply
true, didnt check this read it from someone and blindly assumed my bad
2020-11-28 17:45
s1mple fans incoming. To be honest, I hold them to a similar standard, but they're different styles of player. with s1mple growing in the CIS scene and ZywOo in the european scene. I'd prefer to have ZywOo on my team personally, but it would really depend on how you like to play. I feel ZywOo is a better player for building a proper team strat around instead of saying "<x> go kill" and praying.
2020-11-22 23:46
3 replies
"ZywOo go kill" is the best strat of CS tho
2020-11-23 09:18
1 reply
I'm not saying you can't say "ZywOo go kill", I'm saying ZywOo is better than s1mple for strats other than <X> go kill, in my opinion.
2020-11-23 10:59
"I'd prefer to have ZywOo on my team" - This sums up pretty much every reason u can think of to compare them. At the end some specific stats don't matter that much. If you have to build a team to be top1 and stay at the top, you will be better picking up Zyw0o over s1mple.
2020-11-28 12:17
s1mple > zywoo
2020-11-22 23:46
17 replies
2-0>2-3 x2 S0mple g0d lmao, nt sam2k
2020-11-22 23:49
14 replies
S0mple can't always carry the team And it was even 2-0 at first bcz of him
2020-11-22 23:50
1 reply
2020-11-22 23:51
You forgot it's 6vs5
2020-11-22 23:51
11 replies
Its ok to cry sam2k, its ok, come here... Use this... \_______________/
2020-11-22 23:57
7 replies
nt dead scene
2020-11-23 00:30
6 replies
#39
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Sweden shonk
"dead scene" russian/ukrainian fakeflagger made a new acc with a danish flag to look cool😎😎😎
2020-11-23 01:28
Hahahha cryyyyyyyyyyyy hahahha 2-0>2-3 x2 XDDD
2020-11-23 08:45
4 replies
#58
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Moldova shawww
Complexity jaja?
2020-11-23 09:20
3 replies
Wdym by saying coL? They have a new player and one of the worst awpers, and they still fucked ur lovely flukevi lmao, only lost to #1 team which also fucked flukevi being 0-2. Cry noscene 😎😎😎😎
2020-11-23 09:47
1 reply
#102
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Moldova shawww
Lmfao expecting a scene from a country with a 2.5mil population. Nice arguments kiddo but you won't hit me with that, look at your poor scene compared to the others lmfao.
2020-11-23 14:35
wtf? respect jks Edit: Have a good day!
2021-01-17 05:58
cry more
2020-11-23 01:41
#115
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France s2ptik
did you find this and nothing else? hahaha i'm happy CRY CRY BABY the reality is vitality >> danemark , bye kiss from france
2020-11-26 19:07
nt sam2k
2020-11-27 14:25
+1 sam, im with u
2020-11-23 01:16
nt sam2k
2020-11-26 19:22
the only thing s0mple is better at is baiting and choking
2020-11-22 23:46
13 replies
+1
2020-11-23 00:04
#41
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Sweden shonk
2020-10-25 2nd A-Tier Online DreamHack Open Fall 2020 2 : 3 $21,500 2020-10-10 3rd - 4th A-Tier Online Intel Extreme Masters XV - New York Online: Europe 0 : 2 $12,000 2020-09-19 9th - 10th S-Tier Online ESL Pro League Season 12: Europe 3/4 Grp. S. $20,000 2020-08-30 2nd S-Tier Online ESL One: Cologne 2020 Online - Europe 0 : 3 $50,000 2020-08-09 9th - 12th Showm. Online Red Bull Flick 1/2 Grp. S. $0 2020-07-05 2nd A-Tier Online cs_summit 6 Online: Europe 2 : 3 $22,000 2020-06-21 2nd S-Tier Online BLAST Premier: Spring 2020 European Finals 1 : 2 $65,000
2020-11-23 01:33
4 replies
wheres the first
2020-11-23 08:26
3 replies
#59
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Moldova shawww
hi mousesports. where's the first?
2020-11-23 09:20
2 replies
2020-11-23 10:36
1 reply
#191
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Belgium bblbsc
+1 he could really use some ice
2020-11-29 08:04
+1 same with niko though
2020-11-23 01:43
1 reply
No. Edit: Have a good day!
2021-01-17 05:57
#53
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Japan tatsumi
+1
2020-11-23 08:29
+1
2020-11-26 19:22
+1
2020-11-27 11:10
Choko is better
2021-01-17 04:06
1 reply
Okay burger Edit: Have a good day!
2021-01-17 05:57
+1 well explained
2020-11-22 23:47
#8
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Portugal joaosenra
+1 ZywOo its just in another level
2020-11-22 23:48
11 replies
s1mple* its just in another level
2020-11-22 23:52
10 replies
#28
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Portugal joaosenra
yes in another BAIT LVL kkkk or TRASH LVL
2020-11-23 00:38
9 replies
nope, s1mple is everything better than z2wh0
2020-11-23 00:39
8 replies
#30
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Portugal joaosenra
0/8
2020-11-23 00:40
7 replies
nt no scene
2020-11-23 00:41
6 replies
#37
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Portugal joaosenra
0/8
2020-11-23 01:13
cringe, just admit the fact that zywoo is better than s0mple. stop cry now
2020-11-27 11:11
4 replies
6vs5?
2020-11-27 12:28
3 replies
then navi should buy a 6th player ?? not my business dude ^^ they lost now cry it's free :)
2020-11-27 14:07
2 replies
Imagine 6vs5 in major
2020-11-27 14:20
1 reply
Imagine crying so hard
2020-11-27 14:34
+1 nice written
2020-11-22 23:48
#13
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India somecunt
Don't forget eco kills kekw. Eco Rounds where s1mple entry frags.
2020-11-22 23:50
#18
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Austria arngnr
agreed
2020-11-22 23:53
#20
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United States fowlyz
1) zywoo has more awp kills than rifle kills just like s1mple. You can't say that zywoo doesn't rely on the awp just because you saw nivera use it more in one game. s1mple is also a much better rifler than zywoo. 2) s1mple has a higher opening kill ratio than zywoo which means even though zywoo does take more opening fights, s1mple has won more which is more important. 3) Zywoo does not entry with an awp, most of the time he is the 4th or last one in a site just like s1mple, and just like s1mple they both are either first or second ones in a site when they are rifling.
2020-11-23 00:01
17 replies
Your math doesn't check out,having more opening duels attempts ofc means you have a less success % but that could be still a higher number than someone who takes less ex. if you take 2 kills 2 hs that means 100% hs,but if you take 4 kills 3 hs means 66.6 hs % but that's one more kill you understand me ?Also entry on t-side is usually done with ak and the fact that zywoo switches his role for that means a lot.There are examples where he does it with the awp too (the famous run banana kill 4 inferno and today twice hero awp,the round with shox(ak47) and the round with misuta boosting him con).
2020-11-23 00:14
3 replies
#47
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United States fowlyz
But the difference in opening duels between s1mple and zywoo isn't big. I don't really understand the hs part and what that has to do with entrying though. Finally, zywoo only did a awp entry once (the banana 4k), getting a opening kill doesn't mean you were entrying it just means you got the first kill which can be done from t side d2. misutaa boosting zywoo con doesn't mean zywoo entried, it just means he got the opening kill (which he didn't because misutaa one deaged elec before zywoo killed flamie). The hero awp round wasn't really a entry either because you could see 2 of his teamates running on site while he was still tetris.
2020-11-23 06:00
Nice maths, 4k, 3HS is 75% HS , not 66% m'y dude xd
2020-11-23 09:21
1 reply
12 AM in the morning,didn't really bother doing the precision calc,the point still stands.
2020-11-23 11:08
#26
shox | 
Serbia nzzm22
1) s1mple has considerably more awp/ rifle ratio kills than zywoo which makes my point that s1mples rating relies on it more. You arent in any position to judge for sure who is a better rifler. I argued my point with stats even tho its painfully clear to me that zywoo is better just from watching the games. Show me how s1mple is better with the rifle. 2) their success opening kill ratio is 62.6% to 63.4%. Now if you have common sense you know that 25% opening duels on 62.6 is better than 20% 63.4. Thats what opening rating is for, 1.3 for zywoo 1.2 for s1mple. Now that doesnt even account that zywoo's openings are more unfavorable AND THAT HE TAKES THEM WITH RIFLES MUCH MORE OFTEN THAN S1MPLE you know rifle opening duels are much harder than awp opening duels. I suggest hltv adds a statistic like effective field goal percentage in basketball, in a way that rifle opening duels won are worth more than awp ones. 3) Most of the time possibly but its clear that ZywOo is sacrificed for the team at a much more often rate than s1mple ( if s1mple ever is ). You see ZywOo going first in executes with a rifle quite often ( which is the hardest thing to do ) which s1mple just doesnt do. And yet zywoo still posts a better rating. With these kind of differences in playstyle, rather of the potential stapadding, i think that s1mple would have to have atleast > 0.08 rating difference over zywoo to be considered better.
2020-11-23 00:35
7 replies
#48
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United States fowlyz
1) s1mple has played a lot more maps than zywoo so ofc his ratio would be higher and s1mple doesn't rely on the awp because he do just as good with a ak. s1mple just uses the awp more doesn't mean he relies on it, its just his role as a main awper. s1mple is easily a better rifler considering he used to be a rifler only. 2) where are you getting these stats from btw?, and if it's from hltv how long ago are you putting in the time filter? 3) zywoo is treated the same as s1mple is in navi because they are both the star players of the team hence why they are dropped the best weapons because they alone can change the entire round.
2020-11-23 06:17
6 replies
What does playing more maps have to do with having a higher rating? If anything over more games your stat should go closer to the average which for both players is of course lower. I can tell you as I double checked the stats this is from all of 2020. Zywoo sacrifices for the team way more uses deagles, doesn't AWP on some maps, goes onto bombsites first, and almost never hero AWPs. So often Simple will hero buy and then just get dropped the best gun available the next round. If that were Zywoo he would just end up using a pistol.
2020-11-23 08:25
2 replies
Didn't read, keep crying cause you can't win a single argument.
2020-11-26 19:00
1 reply
Stay seething dweeb
2020-11-26 21:21
Bruh You wrong
2020-11-23 12:33
1) that doesnt make sense and they have about the same amount of maps. A big enough sample size to conduct the differences in playstyle. And my point stands strong- his rating relies more on awping as he statistically used it considerably more than ZywOo. And he definitely wasnt as good with the rifle when he tried main rifling again in 2019. They are both hybrids but id say over the past year and a half s1mple has definitely went the main awp only way. ZywOo is more of a hybrid than him proven by him WANTING to rifle on t sides often etc. The difference in awp usage is obvious. While there is a smaller difference in ZywOo being less setup than s1mple when they are both awping, the difference when riflinf is absurd. ZywOo literally operates as an average role rifle player when rifling and still fucking shreds while its still a baitfest with s1mple on the awp. 2) i referenced what stats i was using in the original post, last 6 months. 3) True but ZywOo to a lesser extent. He doesnt get dropped as much and isnt as privileged as s1mple is. It has definitely shifted to more of a team effort in Vitality which proves that there had to be a balance to how much a superstar is setup, for the role players psyche, for the team spirit and the confidence of every player. ZywOo has been setup less and thats the reason for the better play of shox, rpk, misutaa and Nivera. Remember shox under Alex when he was fucking lost in the new forced roles Alex put him to?
2020-11-23 18:11
1 reply
#108
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United States fowlyz
1) Ofc s1mple would use the awp a lot because that's his role and it would make sense that because s1mple played more maps he would have more kills overall especially with the awp. Zywoo just recently started rifling because Nivera takes up the awp role when e gets switched in which is why you see zywoo rifling much more when nivera is switched in. 2) Sorry I was using all of 2020 in the time filter. 3) I agree with this.
2020-11-23 19:37
>zywoo has more awp kills than rifle kills just like s1mple. Your brain smooth Your iq zero Cry kkkkkkkkk
2020-11-23 11:04
4 replies
#106
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United States fowlyz
Do you even understand what I typed?
2020-11-23 19:27
3 replies
Yo NA brainlet how smooth are you? Do u even understand what the original poster was trying to say? He wasn't just comparing if zywoo or simple had more awp kills than rifle kills, of course both will have more awp kills than rifle kills cause they are primary awpers, that's not the point. The point was that a larger percent of simple's kill are awp kills showing he is more reliant on awp than zywoo is. Anyone one with iq greater than zero would've been able to comprehend that you smooth brained murican.
2020-11-26 18:50
2 replies
#132
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United States fowlyz
There are a lot of factors that can go into why s1mple has more awp kills than zywoo. I think its cause s1mple had the awp more and he is overall better with the awp so he can keep it more. Why tf r u replying so late?
2020-11-26 19:34
1 reply
Cause I have stuff to do and can't keep tabs of hltv notifications.
2020-11-27 10:50
#23
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Palestine MrZoldiK
Mantuu > ZywOo > s1mple Mantuu best awper, don't cry pls. PS : don't take it srsly
2020-11-23 00:10
2 replies
men SIXER > zywoo > s1mple
2020-11-23 00:59
deep down we all know the awp goat is solek.
2020-11-23 01:35
+1 also if zywoo learned to speak english more fluently like s1mple and streamed more, people would 100% agree, kinda sad that people dont want to believe the truth
2020-11-23 00:12
4 replies
#36
shox | 
France ZyGod
hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. thx for this best fail xD you are so stupid
2020-11-23 01:00
1 reply
Imagine comparing rating of a player who played 604 maps with the guy who played 243. No wonder all Vitality fans are stupid 🤡
2021-01-17 04:19
"Based on 13 maps..."
2020-11-23 08:25
1 reply
You seriously think i was being serious while writing that comment?
2020-11-23 09:59
Very good! Thank you for this thread!
2020-11-23 00:50
+1
2020-11-23 00:56
#40
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Russia NOD777
You won’t get it to the kids bro. They will always say that rating > everything
2020-11-23 01:30
#43
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Brazil MimimiBR
Simple> zywoo Vitality > navi
2020-11-23 01:38
2 replies
indeed.
2020-11-23 13:41
ZYWOO NO TITLE TRY AGAIN
2020-11-23 01:40
"ZINEDINE XI WU" haha
2020-11-23 08:16
#54
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Ukraine McSwell
2019: zywoo has better stats than s1mple due to a more often awp use - "who cars, awp is still the weapon, he is better so he is top-1" 2020: s1mple has better stats than zywoo due to a more often awp use - "it's unfair, he's awaper, he can boost his stats" (big strong dog - small crying dog meme)
2020-11-23 08:38
2 replies
to be fair, s0mple shouldn't have been in the top5 of 2019 but ok
2020-11-23 12:13
1 reply
funny guy.
2020-11-23 13:41
I think s1mple is a better AWPer but Zywoo is a better player overall, more consistent.
2020-11-23 09:21
At least you were respectful in your take. Respect for that. Hard to see any respect from the Vitality/Zywoo fans nowadays. And yeah, Zywoo deserves it!
2020-11-23 10:08
#69
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Russia VelsVivard
Neah, s1mple is still significantly better and it shows every time they face each other, s1mple is made of a different type of clay, ZywOo though, is the closest contender there'll ever be for some time. Unless s1mple loses motivation and plays strictly for the team success, he'll always be #1 and this year included.
2020-11-23 10:16
16 replies
You mean how s1mple has 1.16 rating against Vitality while ZywOo has 1.27 against Na'vi?
2020-11-23 10:31
15 replies
#72
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Russia VelsVivard
No, I mean how they play individually and not a team effort combined. S1mple wins a duel against him the vast majority of time, his decision making is more thorough and thought out, his aim and awareness are much more precise, his gamesense is unmatched. He's not being setup for success, he earns it all by himself.
2020-11-23 10:57
14 replies
You should seek help if you're this delusional...
2020-11-23 11:59
10 replies
#79
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Russia VelsVivard
It's not like I came up with this. I watched the game yesterday, it was all present there. Consider watching the demo of it.
2020-11-23 12:01
9 replies
Consider seeking professional help.
2020-11-23 12:11
8 replies
#86
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Russia VelsVivard
Very informative, that's how it is with pathological haters. Typical.
2020-11-23 12:33
7 replies
Can't inform an empty void, sorry.
2020-11-23 12:35
6 replies
#90
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Russia VelsVivard
Pathetic what lengths one will go fueled by his made up beliefs. You can mumble whatever religion you're after, stats are all there, if you've eyes and you still disagree, that's just acting of a low man.
2020-11-23 12:37
5 replies
Yes, the stats say that S1mple has 1.16 rating against Vitality while ZywOo has 1.27 against Na'Vi. The stats also say that ZywOo was the highest rated player of the tournament, currently leads in the ranking in front of S1mple, and ZywOo's team was and is the world's #1 team currently. Tell me more about your pathetic excuse of a brain.
2020-11-23 13:28
4 replies
#94
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Russia VelsVivard
I wasn't talking about this tournament exclussively, and even though, rating is very a broad to hide behind it. S1mple has a way higher peak individually and it's been shown here across the series, I've come to realise that you're incapable of being objective to any extent but I'll post a reply anyway. You're the worst type of fans, although it would be a disgrace to call you a fan of any team. I don't deny that ZywOo might slip through and get a top placing of the HLTV ranking but it's pretty evident to those who pay attention that s1mple is far more skilled and has the ceiling much more taller than that of ZywOo. Now this shall be the food for your head and watch your mouth.
2020-11-23 13:33
3 replies
Cry is free somple simp. Xii wu greater than ruski blyat somple Cry is free Go read the Wikipedia article on delusion kkkkk
2020-11-28 16:45
2 replies
You can't be from Denmark, I always had a good impression of the Danes and some random kid won't shutter this vision for me. Go away troll.
2020-11-28 16:47
1 reply
You should seriously consider reading the Wikipedia article on delusion
2020-11-29 06:56
#84
JaCkz | 
Singapore ZyZy
You should consider professional help, if you honestly think s1mple has better gamesense than zywoo. And the not being setup for sucess is absolut bs come on. How about you compare some of zywoos and s1mples demo's without that biased view.
2020-11-23 12:31
2 replies
#87
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Russia VelsVivard
Well I don't know what to say, maybe you've watched a different game yesterday, s1mple is half a head above him still.
2020-11-23 12:35
1 reply
2020-11-28 16:45
#76
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Poland n1ello
niviera was playing with awp instead of zywoo sometimes
2020-11-23 11:09
#77
B1T | 
Europe Gigska
OK but S1mple top1 2020
2020-11-23 11:14
s1mple>zywoo
2020-11-23 12:14
Who can do 2 aces in 1v4 situation in the money time of a tier 1 final? /close
2020-11-23 12:16
Even tho i agree zywoo is better, your thread is completely retarded
2020-11-23 12:38
4 replies
just trying to make sense of the stats. Nothing of this matters, all you need is a pair or eyes, good cs knowledge and a non biased open mind to know ZywOo is a more complete and impactful player.
2020-11-23 18:21
1 reply
Yes you should be watching the gameplay, literally every single stat is useless.
2020-11-23 19:36
Nope!!!! s1mple is better. But everyone can have favourties.
2020-11-26 19:11
1 reply
well tbh im just looking at gameplay and s1mple is a high variance player, but the thread itself is really dumb, because you can never look at stats thats like the worst way to evaluate a player
2020-11-26 21:11
#98
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France Zyuwu
I agree BUT u have to consider that nivera is a primary Awper even picking it up over zywoo on certain maps and Shox tends to pick it up from time to time aswell
2020-11-23 13:41
+1 zywoo plays difficult roles more often than s1mple does. The most obvious example that comes to my mind is a game when he was defending alone on inferno's B site for like half of the rounds. So the fact that his stats are simlilar to s1mple's in these conditions is kinda crazy
2020-11-23 13:58
1 reply
Nah anchoring isnt that bad. He is a fucking raw entry in execs whole T sides with a rifle sometimes. Now that rating with it is impressive.
2020-11-25 13:30
The awp stat is useless because he shit on them with the awp on dust 2.... what a fucking useless stat when 25/37 kills are with the awp because the other team cannot get near you when you kill them... Pathetic haters everywhere.
2020-11-23 13:59
+1 XI WU is just so much better than s0mple
2020-11-23 14:03
2 replies
+1
2020-11-25 15:58
#160
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Brazil arunino
not in this reality :>
2020-11-28 14:23
TLDR, BTW Zywoo is good but nowhere in comparision of s1mple
2020-11-25 15:59
1 reply
#161
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Brazil arunino
+1 stats say so
2020-11-28 14:23
Zywoo will be #1 this year, HLTV already confirmed it
2020-11-26 18:56
3 replies
Maybe in HLTV. But skill wise s1mple is better :)
2020-11-26 19:08
2 replies
sure Kappa
2020-11-26 19:26
1 reply
ok haHAA
2020-11-26 19:28
1. Use awp if you want. Who cars how you get kills? With knife, pistol, rifle, awp , shotgun. KILL IS A KILL 2. OPENING DUELS, well I agree. But VITALITY plays so much different to NAVI. Vitality on T side will rush some site with 3/4 guys and make zywoo entry. But s1mple doesnt entry, until unless he has spawn or some maybe antistrat. Because he is their best player and they want him in clutch. LUL And it doesnt matter if hes entrying or not. Zywoo is not s1mple,s1mple is not zywoo. And theres no bible in CS, that you have to play cs in 1 way. As long as you are getting kills and winning. It doesnt matter shit. And entry do matters. But for top 20 or players ranking wise it doesnt matter. Stats is all what matters. Even those are ecos, exit frags. Who cares dupreeh is entry? When people talk about ASTRALIS , he is most likely their 3rd best. And he is one of the best entries in the world.
2020-11-26 19:07
3 replies
sss
2020-11-26 19:10
1 reply
Hello BRA71L. You need some bananas my friend. I heard you guys like it alot. Btw this is my favourite song : youtube.com/watch?v=q0hyYWKXF0Q Btw VSM is never gonna be unbanned :) xddddd
2020-11-26 19:14
i think people talk too much about roles in these discussions. if a player plays a certain role, he's most likely at his best in those spots/roles or would just be worse than the others in a star role.
2020-11-29 13:15
#119
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Brazil cadik
s0mple KEKW
2020-11-26 19:10
#121
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Europe FrighTyyy
Sure, but the AWP stat is because when Nivera plays, he is the main awper.
2020-11-26 19:12
Fan of shox - checks out
2020-11-26 19:15
#125
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Romania ukhcsgo
ZywOo most skilled player of all cs go history! this guy is insane. Entry/awp/riffle/clutch/pistol S1mple is so good, but zywOo is in another level since he was 16yo
2020-11-26 19:18
2 replies
#163
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Brazil arunino
s1mple is another level for zywoo, since S1mple is better player and he is doing it way longer than zywoo. at the moment S1mple is top1 of 2020 :>
2020-11-28 14:24
+1 the first real superstar cs prodigy in my eyes is ZywOo
2020-11-29 12:56
ZywOO skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....Day0s FPL Cheater with Streaming.....I think day0s still cheating..
2020-11-26 19:23
also he isnt baiting af for useless frags 95% of the rounds and he goes first so much he has a fucking high impact
2020-11-26 19:25
1 reply
+1
2020-11-29 12:55
100% agreed Finally someone who understands how stats work.
2020-11-27 11:04
1 reply
i understand the s1mple is AWP god while zywoo is just good with all weapons, thats why he had many less than s1mple's kills
2020-11-27 11:11
ZywOO skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....Day0s FPL Cheater with Streaming.....I think day0s still cheating..
2020-11-27 11:12
#147
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
+1 logic checks out
2020-11-27 14:30
7 replies
#186 Do give it a read, if you can be unbiased, and have a decent attention span. Good day :)
2020-11-29 07:36
6 replies
#193
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
doesn't exist
2020-11-29 11:42
5 replies
Idk why it didn't become a link :D It's the comment at the bottom of the page. hltv.org/forums/threads/2384336/zywoo-s1.. Here you go
2020-11-29 12:03
4 replies
#195
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
no, literally doesn't exist. ctrl+f and search for it
2020-11-29 12:03
3 replies
Does the link work? (I just added) hltv.org/forums/threads/2384336/zywoo-s1.. I think it works. Give it a try.
2020-11-29 12:06
2 replies
#205
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Bosnia and Herzegovina Foxxeh
nop
2020-11-29 13:34
1 reply
fak
2020-11-29 13:44
zywoo is also the highest rated pistol round player and clutched a lot more rounds, simple stats reflect baiting as he has a high k/d to get his overall rating that high .
2020-11-28 11:22
1 reply
+1
2020-11-29 12:54
#152
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Brazil arunino
stats say S1mple is better. I believe stats more than you
2020-11-28 12:04
1 reply
nah they dont
2020-12-11 00:23
I like how hltv mods delete s1mple > ZywOo threads but don't delete ZywOo > s1mple threads ::DD
2020-11-28 14:27
1 reply
smart modssss
2020-12-16 11:20
s1mple vs Zywoo Who is No. 1? Both are greats to watch. But, No. 1 in 2020 will be depends on Blast premier Fall 2020 Finals & IEM Global Challenge 2020 results & their individual impacts with team's achievements. So, don't rush for assume who is No. 1! let's see who will do better in those tournaments! I hope they both shows good games & we will watch great matches.
2020-11-28 14:28
5 replies
Nt zywoo better than s0mple
2020-11-28 14:29
4 replies
#168
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Brazil arunino
at the moment S1mple is better, check stats :> s1mple is better vs top5/top10 teams by far (rating)
2020-11-28 14:34
Now a days, he (Zywoo) do very good for his team & his teammates like shox, rpk, misutta, nivera also done more impact. So, he can play with free mind. But, how much days consistency will he show like s1mple (You can see in some matches or maps in final, zywoo not performing good, but shox carry his team & shines. So, Shox is also done very well.) & he has more time to spend in pro scene. So lets see upcoming tournaments & enjoy them. Bro, i am fan of s1mple bcoz i like his skill & fun to watch. Even, NAVI is far away from major winning but NAVI is a king of unprediction. If every player is performing then see s1mple not baits. He baits because he know if he gonna to try entry frags & get 1 or 2 kills & after that he died, then his teammates throw games like farming opponents so he play slow game & wants to get trade kills which we said "bait". So he is baiter bcoz of NAVI's unpredictability. Sorry, for my bad English, but it is true!
2020-11-28 14:43
+1
2020-11-28 16:51
Lol, changed flag and flair? So ashamed of your country and identity?
2020-11-29 07:34
For people saying vitality as a team is better than vitality. Just tell those guys how much s1mple baits. ZywOo took vitality from rags to top and where did s1mple take Na'vi. Just compare stats of individuals. On one team there are 4 and on other there are 4 bots who will be called bots if ZywOo wasn't there.
2020-11-28 16:50
+11111111111111111111 he is the goat
2020-11-28 16:53
1 reply
#186 Give it a read, if you can be unbiased and have an attention span of 5 minutes. Good day :)
2020-11-29 07:33
NiKo>>>>>>>>both >doesn't use the AWP in any map other than D2 >one of the best entry stats on both CT and T sides in a wide map pool array >best aim and potentially the highest mechanical skill ceiling in CS history >can carry a team while simultaneously being the IGL
2020-11-28 17:55
Why are you not discussing the aim duel wins between simple and zywoo?
2020-11-28 18:01
3 replies
They aren't straight forward (1 on 1 aim duels) usually.
2020-11-29 07:59
yeah man they should just play bo3 aim maps and whoever wins is the better player xD
2020-11-29 14:35
s1 got trashed by Xantares and Flamie in bo3 aim 1v1s. It doesnt matter.
2021-01-17 03:36
I do believe Zywoo is slightly ahead till now. I posted about it: hltv.org/forums/threads/2384457/top1-202.. BUT This post of yours, is so ill-informed and wrong at so many levels, it's awfully misleading! Firstly, s1mple goes for lesser opening kills BECAUSE he uses the AWP more. It's NOT easy to be a permanent entry with an AWP. AWPers go for entry only if they have a favourable spawn (example: long spawn on D2), or if it's a specific strat that requires them to go 1st. The reason is, rifles can adjust their aim and spray/spam. AWPers have to adjust their aim, movement and hit the 1st shot. If they don't, they're dead and lose 6500-7000 dollars of investment. Even if they kill a player, they'd be traded and lose a lot of investment. Hence, especially on T-side, almost ALL the permanent entry fraggers are riflers. AWPers only entry under certain conditions (team needs a special *gamble*, or if it's a spawn, or if it's a special strat). On CT-side, s1mple is the rotator and keeps moving between A and B, depending on the enemy info. He's usually the one to take 1st contact and get the kills. That's why his CT-side opening rating is high. Him taking contact against aggressive CTs is the tactically right thing to do with the AWP. He has to play the AWP more. It's not a necessity, but a conscious choice, because nobody on his team is good enough to do it consistently. He doesn't have a shox/Nivera who are decent enough AWPers. Only option is flamie, and he is total bs, inconsistent af. He will lose the weapon more often than not. s1mple started his career as a rifle and AWPer. After he realized his skills, he made the decision that he could get more impact for his team with the AWP, as compared to rifle. Therefore, he AWPs more. In his career, his percentage of rifle kills as compared to AWP kills, is much much more than the ratio for Zywoo. s1mple: hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/7998/s1mpl.. Zywoo: hltv.org/stats/players/weapon/11893/zywo.. In reply to your comments about farming against CIS, his ratings against CIS teams are much much worse than against Tier1 teams. The reason is, it doesn't matter. HLTV Top20 only considers "big events", hence s1mple's performance in those events don't matter, regardless of good or bad. They just affect the overall rating. For example: s1mple's entire 2020 rating dropped from 1.30 to 1.28 in just IEM New York CIS alone. Taking ONLY Tier1 LANs (2020), Tier1 EU tournaments (2020), and EU RMR events (2020): hltv.org/stats/players?startDate=2020-01..
2020-11-29 07:32
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1) most awpers take more opening duels than their rifle counter parts, and they make them at a much more effiecent rate due to using the awp. Taking the most favourable dules ( which u say s1mple does as an awper ) works in my favor showing how zywoo is more impactful by suceeding in worse situations ( entrying with rifle + less favourable situations, in executes etc, in contrast to s1mple with awp + favourable spawn based ) So thanks for further elaborating on how it works to further strenghten my point. 2) cool, NaVi is setup in a way in which s1mple is always favoured while zywoo has to share some setup rounds with shox/ nivera. What did you prove with this? Are you working in my favor? You are further pointing out how s1mple is more setup for better stats, and literally my whole point is that he is setup for much better stats while their rating is the same. Also to elaborate on this a little. I think s1mple baits too much. The team structure favors him too much. You may say, he is the best awper in the world, one of the best riflers while his team is nowhere close skill wise outside of electronic, so why would s1mple ever sacrifice himself for his teammates when he is always more likely to convert rounds due to being the best? Lets take Vitality as an example. Under ALEX's leadership, ZywOo was setup as a fucking deity and others had little to no freedom over him. You may think that is the most optimal way to play, to have your superstar player always in the best position, but that wasnt the case. Under apex the freedom and good positions are a little more spread out. For some its counter intuitive- the fact that worse players less likely to convert than zywoo are sometimes baiting him and having the best positions- But it worked out fenomenally for Vitality- with a worse player- alex to misuta, and a worse igl call/ strat wise- alex to apex: Vitality are a much better team than they were before. shox rating under alex- 0.92; under apex- 1.02 rpk stats under alex- 0.94; under apex- 0.97 shox and rpk are revitilasied and zywoo didnt drop off that much due to being setup less, dont get me wrong he is still setup as a clear star, but not a superstar deity like he used to be under alex and like s1mple is in NaVi. Now why it works- for teammates morale, confidence and potential of getting in the zone. Some players desperately need a little of freedom and baiting to really elevate their morale and game, being constantly baited and in shit positions has to take an effect subconciously in which you might lose that competitive edge and wont get in zones. So for me, there has to be a balance in how much a superstar is setup, for the better of the team. 3) Thats nice. Still havent proved me wrong in any of my points, its like your whole post is justifying s1mple's role and playstyle showing that he is a great player- he is, but zywoo is better. What do the overall stats have to do with anything?? Stats from when s1mple was a rilfer and zywoo was playing matchmaking probably?? We are comparing who is the best this year, right now and looking at the current stats, for the past months. 4) Sure, my CIS point isnt that worth, but s1mple still dropped off in form in those less worth games and that still counts in your judgement for the best throughout the year. 5) Yeah i said their stats are almost the same 1.29 to 1.28, but that s1mple is setup for much better stats which makes ZywOo better.
2020-12-03 22:13
No one can be better than s1mple i think
2020-11-29 13:03
1 reply
-1
2020-12-03 17:45
how to play alone s1mple is better than zywoo, but to play as a team zywoo is better
2021-01-17 03:53
Anyone with brain can tell that zywoo > s1mple this year.
2021-01-17 05:01
s1mple is my favourite player without a doubt but there is no way you could be delusional enough to say he's as good as Zyw0o the last couple years, Zyw0o just does more, everyone can see that he's more impact and reason his team is even relevent with that amount of fucking boomers on it, remember Na'vi with Zeus and Edward? Yes they were dog shit not top 1 with boomers, Zyw0o has 3 boomers on his team and reached top 1 there is no player who will ever be like him. RpK is one of my favourite players of all time, Shox as well and I never like Apex but watching them past 2-3 years they are beyond washed, Zyw0o literally sparked their careers back from 2016, his play style and support work on his team just has these boomer washed trash playing at tier 1, no one will ever be like him, s1mple is good individually but the shit Zyw0o is doing can't be taught his play style and talent is unmatched, you can't dm 18 hours a day to get like Zyw0o, that's what s1mple is a trained killer, Zyw0o is actually gifted.
2021-01-17 05:24
Your first point doesn't make sense, S1mple doesn't "rely" on the AWP it's just that nobody on Na'vi is as good an awper as s1mple so he has to AWP. Sure the tier 2 CIS thing could've made sense, but if you think about it Na'vi only played in 1 of those tournaments(because they had to). I don't think anyone can conclude who is the better player right now, let's wait for the HLTV announcement. Comments that will say"oH bUT YoU'eR WrOnG ZyWoO iS bEttEr(but I can't give good proof for that), bUT StIll hE iS BettER, AlSO pLEaSE hElP mE fInD mY heAD, I lOSt iT up mY BuTt" Come here
2021-01-17 06:20
#226
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France Azimutt
First time I see someone with real argument about why zywoo is better than s1mple, good job!
2021-01-17 09:56
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