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Zywoo vs S1mple
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China CantBanMe 
Who's the better player between these two titans of CS? I believe s1mple is a very talented player backed with tons of experience and super explosive playstyle but his overconfidence blinds him at times and he gets caught in his emotions more often than not. Zywoo is very skilled and super calm and calculated which keeps his awareness top tier and he doesn't leave many windows to be exploited by teams, rarely caught off-guard, rarely misses crucial shots, very patient and methodical, a much better teammate than s1mple. S1mple will tilt when doubt installs in his head and it spreads in his team and he tries to be the hero making stupid plays that sometimes pay off but against good teams, it doesnt, you can see from the way they play, they choke when they start feeling the pressure rising and a big part of that is s1mple inability to keep his cool ( I also called that they would choke against vitality ; proof ; ibb.co/hRFKLnD ). I believe Zywoo is playing super well and if he maintains this level he will surpass s1mple if he hasn't already ( some believe he already is better, I don't think so, but he will be maybe as soon as 2021 ). What you guys think, who is better and why?
2020-11-24 00:01
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so you just saw a thread like this and decided to make a carbon copy?
2020-11-24 00:02
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#3
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China CantBanMe
I just saw it after reading your comment, but yeah s1mple vs zywoo has been topic of the week, Idk if you live in a cave or something. this is my take on it! edit: Broky sucks
2020-11-24 00:04
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-1 broky> zywho+s0mple
2020-11-24 09:38
10 replies
Baitky 0.97 impact in 2020 LUL
2020-11-24 09:40
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broky > zywho+s0mple
2020-11-24 09:41
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Babymas : The 0.7 rating Criminal KEKW
2020-11-24 09:42
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Bymas > Baitky+s0mple+zywho
2020-11-24 09:42
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Bymas <<<< my pp 😆
2020-11-24 09:43
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First of all I wanted to say why mens((((( but I thought its beta Than I wanted to say that Crimea is Russia but its not ((( And now I don't know what to say I decided Bymas > Baitky+s0mple+zywho+ your pp 😆
2020-11-24 09:45
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Yes, baitky is drowning the entire RHS down with his negative impact. fair enough
2020-11-24 09:49
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Bymas > Baitky+s0mple+zywho+ your pp😆
2020-11-24 09:49
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#64 🤣🤣
2020-11-24 09:49
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Bymas > Baitky+s0mple+zywho+ your pp😆
2020-11-24 10:34
Zywoo first two years of top level cs - both times no.1 Bookmark and you will see - vitality will probably win one more tournament before the year ends and zywoo will finish top 1 two years running
2020-11-24 00:03
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#4
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China CantBanMe
if you say so, but I aren't think so ! edit: will be close though!
2020-11-24 00:05
Were not you s1mple fan? Snake
2020-11-24 06:11
" both times no.1" ????
2020-11-24 06:56
WP
2021-01-20 22:16
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Ty buddy - it was kinda obvious.
2021-01-20 22:59
#5
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
s1mple imo
2020-11-24 00:05
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#8
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China CantBanMe
why do you think he's better though
2020-11-24 00:07
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#9
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Brazil ghcnvbkn
because
2020-11-24 00:08
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#10
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China CantBanMe
fair
2020-11-24 00:08
+1
2020-11-24 06:40
you are a great guy
2020-11-24 00:06
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#7
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China CantBanMe
you are a great guy too
2020-11-24 00:07
Both are irrelevant. GOD HUNDEN top 1 for sure
2020-11-24 00:09
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#12
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China CantBanMe
yes
2020-11-24 00:26
if i would look at them overall in their career then s1mple is ahead without a doubt for now. he had better peak(2018) than zywoo(2019) and he is consistently playing on the highest level way longer which is really hard. if i would look at last 2 years tho then i would give an edge to zywoo
2020-11-24 06:29
Xi Wu the best Chinese player
2020-11-24 06:36
#18
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United States raymoney
Let me just say this give it another 1 or 2 years and the convo will shift to Zywoo as the GOAT of CS. Right now Zywoo is the best player in the world end of story. More deep runs in tournaments and more tier 1 matches played.
2020-11-24 06:45
S1mple is much better player in all aspects.
2020-11-24 06:56
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based on?
2020-11-24 07:15
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consistency
2020-11-24 07:35
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"much better player in all aspects." "based on?" "consistency" just lmao...
2020-11-24 07:36
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this was just an example
2020-11-24 07:36
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tell me based on what is s1mple better in all aspects and consistency? s1mple has all time 77.8% maps with 1.0+ rating, zywoo 86.7%. you are clearly just biased with no facts to back up your comletely wrong "arguments"
2020-11-24 07:39
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you should check stats, the graph of year's consistency of a player (lines). S1mple's line is much better. learn facts before you talk to someone.
2020-11-24 07:45
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hltv.org/stats/players/compare/7998/s1mp.. is it rly..? it looks exactly the same. the only difference is that they were in their peaks and slumps in different times. zywoo has more % of maps with 1.0+ rating and he hadnt single lan below 1.0 rating yet...
2020-11-24 07:47
#22
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Russia typalCraZy
Sometimes time is enemy for talented newbies on top tier. ZywOo can lose part of his skill, I actually think that when s1mple will leave top 1, this place will be taken, but it will not be ZywOo.
2020-11-24 07:28
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"I actually think that when s1mple will leave top 1, this place will be taken, but it will not be ZywOo." s1mple aleady left 1st place last year and who took it? zywoo...
2020-11-24 07:37
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But now is 2020 and S1mple is better.
2020-11-24 07:49
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is he rly..? cant wait for hltv top20. i will bookmark this. thill then bye
2020-11-24 07:50
8 replies
okay
2020-11-24 07:50
#85
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Russia typalCraZy
Top 2020 1) s1mple 2) ZywOo 3) NiKo, but if Astralis will win 2 tournaments ut could be device.
2020-11-24 23:46
#86
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Russia typalCraZy
Bookmark this, dude
2020-11-24 23:47
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already did
2020-11-25 01:04
told you...
2021-01-20 20:02
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#96
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Russia typalCraZy
Yeah, bad end of the year for s1mple, but bookmark this now. s1mple top 1 of 2021. Zywoo will have rate 1.29 or below. (actually I think that it will be kinda 1.27)
2021-01-20 22:11
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we will see:)
2021-01-20 22:12
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it's only start, dude
2021-01-25 04:07
#88
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Russia typalCraZy
He didn't, man, the problem was bad team form, in the end he gave up. ZywOo's and s1mple's stats were very close anyway.
2020-11-24 23:50
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yet zywoo was better and was first. no excuses...and btw he might be first even this year
2020-11-25 01:04
I thought Na'vi would choke as well. It's easy for s1mple to pop off when there's no pressure, but once the game was on the line I expected Vitality to take it. Shox, rpk, and zywoo are some of the most clutch performers out there. High sens players like s1mple tend to be inconsistent, feast or famine, but this is verging on bro science territory
2020-11-24 07:45
both insane but s1mple this hear has played about 40 maps in cis region which is way less competitive than eu, zywoo for all his games has played against t1 eu teams except for the first round teams. yes s1pmle won katowicie but you can't say online results aren't to be taken in account because it's gonna be like this probably next year also
2020-11-24 09:11
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The thing about top20 rankings is, it only considers the Big events, aka, Tier-1 and at best Tier-1.5 performance. s1mple underperforms/doesn't care about CIS, due to exactly this. It's not important in HLTV Top20 rankings anyway. And in fact, if you take out his CIS performance, his stats would be much higher than right now. That's because his ratings against CIS teams are 1.14, 1.16, and so on, while against the Tier1 teams, his rating is much higher. His entire 2020 rating dropped from 1.30 to 1.28 in just one tournament - IEM NY CIS, because Navi didn't care after securing major "legends" status.
2020-11-24 09:21
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bruh you're right, i'm kinda retarded. guess it'll come down to their last events and see if zywoo can step up again and win another event
2020-11-24 09:31
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It's fine :D One can always learn something. I posted this yesterday: hltv.org/forums/threads/2384457/top1-202.. Have a read.
2020-11-24 09:35
But he has 1,38 rating on gamers without borders
2020-11-24 09:42
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That tournament was a showmatch charity event with MR13 format. Yes, it was a 2 million dollars tournament, and included Tier1 teams like BIG, Faze Clan, Fnatic, OG, Mousesports, Navi, but it wasn't an actual Tier1 tournament. Hence, it won't matter :D
2020-11-24 09:47
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So without this tournament his rating is around 1,27.
2020-11-24 09:50
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Well, no. It's not even counted in usual ratings. Showmatches are not only never used in rankings, but also not included in ratings. It's not a low-tier touranament. It's an "irrelevant" tournament.
2020-11-24 11:21
s1mple is better than zywho
2020-11-24 09:36
#63
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Sweden Nappev
isnt zywoo more accomplished this year? Vitality like 4 grand finals and 1 tournament win. Imo s1mple is more consistent top 1 in navi and zywoo steps up when they really need him. also JUST KICK BOT FLAMIE ALREADY HES SO INCONSISTENT AND KICK BOOMBL4 IN THE ASS SO HE WAKES UP
2020-11-24 09:48
it is stupid when teammates are different. There never will be a proper comparison. But one factor that s1mple since 2019 quite gave place to zywoo, is because of his play became much more careful, while his ego is top1. imo the careful plays made him passive and less shiny.
2020-11-24 10:49
Pretty much leveled
2020-11-24 11:22
#87
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France LuluX
Zywoo imo, he has proved it and iem bejing
2020-11-24 23:50
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he proved that he got outperformed and needs to be carried by a sub LUL
2020-11-25 00:45
can't agree with that, vita players outplayed navi players, just look how good was nivera on his maps
2020-11-25 00:48
S1mple
2020-11-25 01:06
#101
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Sweden boyyscout
It's Zywoo as S1mple will never reach his level, S1mple is a top 10 player and nobody can deny his skill but he is way behind guys like Zywoo
2021-01-25 04:10
#102
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Indonesia FinZzz
As of right now I'd say they are quite close. You can make an argument to who is better and why. For me i pick zywoo just cause I prefer his playstyle more and his role within the team. However for the future I think its Zywoo that's gonna overthrone s1mple. Zywoo has only been playing for 2 years in the pro scene, while s1mple has been here longer. S1mple has already reached his highest peak form at 2018 while Zywoo hasnt. Still, this rivalry is so fun to watch
2021-01-25 04:36
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